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1. 01:57 AM - Jabiru ram-air ducts (Dave Johnson)
2. 02:56 AM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Roger Pritchard)
3. 07:40 AM - Re: Jabiru ram-air ducts (DaveG601XL)
4. 07:54 AM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Roger Pritchard)
5. 08:13 AM - Re: Jabiru ram-air ducts (Tim Juhl)
6. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: 2000 hours (Clyde Barcus)
7. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru ram-air ducts (Dave Johnson)
8. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (Thomas Saniewski)
9. 12:52 PM - Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (Dave Nixon)
10. 01:11 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (ernie)
11. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (Craig Payne)
12. 02:26 PM - Painting Experience (steve)
13. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: 2000 hours (Randy L. Thwing)
14. 03:21 PM - Kitplanes Article (Chuck Deiterich)
15. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: 2000 hours (Clyde Barcus)
16. 04:17 PM - Second thoughts (Bill Naumuk)
17. 04:20 PM - Re: Painting Experience (Larry H)
18. 04:24 PM - Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway (Edward Moody II)
19. 04:44 PM - Firewall Forward fuel and oil lines (MacDonald Doug)
20. 05:00 PM - Re: Painting Experience (hansriet)
21. 05:01 PM - Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (gpjann1@netzero.net)
22. 05:09 PM - Re: Painting Experience (Craig Payne)
23. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: 2000 hours (george may)
24. 05:41 PM - Re: Second thoughts (Tim Juhl)
25. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Painting Experience (Larry H)
26. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: 2000 hours (Randy L. Thwing)
27. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (John Bolding)
28. 06:44 PM - Re: Firewall Forward fuel and oil lines (Paul Mulwitz)
29. 07:02 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 0-200 overhaul ()
30. 07:15 PM - Re: Aileron integration (Ron Lendon)
31. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Painting Experience (steve)
32. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: 2000 hours (Clyde Barcus)
33. 08:46 PM - Re: Re: 2000 hours (Kevin Bonds)
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| Subject: | Jabiru ram-air ducts |
I am at the point of installing the ram-air ducts on my Jabiru 3300. The
right-hand duct went on without too many problems (that couldn't be
solved with some colourful cussing!).
The left-hand duct is causing headaches. because of the offset of the
cylinders, the rear cylinder on the left is very close to the engine
mounting plate and I cannot see how I can get the duct in.
On the right, the duct fits between the 5th. and 6th. fins (counting out
from the crankcase). There's no way I can get the left duct that close.
The fibreglass is recessed to clear the engine mount, but only once it
is in place!
Am I being dumb? (don't answer that!). How did other Jab. users solve
the problem?
Hoping someone can help (they always have in the past!)
Dave Johnson
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Wayne,
I kit built an XL in a one car garage in Nashua and am now rigging the ailerons
and flaps at
my brother in laws business in Hooksett. Feel free to call me at 496-7542 about
the
building process or if you want to see it.
Roger
Wayne Aho <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that
is building or flying this critter?
Thanks,
Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru ram-air ducts |
Dave,
I remember having to play with this left duct a little bit, but it was not a show-stopper,
at least on my engine. Once I found which fins the aft part seemed
to like the best, I put a spot of magic marker on the first visible fin so
I can put it back the next time. There was no one spot that worked perfectly.
I still have to push and shove a bit. If it was any worse, as it appears in
your case, I guess I would try to heat the duct and re-form it a bit.
I do not remember if it made the Homebuilthelp.com video or not, but Mark at Jabiru
USA suggested reinforcing the holes in the ducts that you will be drilling
for the valve cover cap screws. I made a piece small aluminum sheet and JB
weld epoxied it in place.
I have not run yet so this is all theory to me at this point..
Good luck,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail & wings completed and
fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Wayne,
I built most of my Zenvair 601XL in a single car garage in Nashua and am now
rigging the
ailerons and flaps at my wife and brother-in-laws business in Hooksett. Call
me 406-7542
if you want to talk or see it.
Roger
Wayne Aho <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that
is building or flying this critter?
Thanks,
Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru ram-air ducts |
Are you installing the old style or new style ducts? New style doesn't have all
the holes for the spark plug wires.
Tim
Do not archive
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______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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I bought a run out O-200 (With logbooks) from Wentworth for $2,800 with a
replacement guarantee for any major component that cannot be returned to
service. I was also given the name of a reputable company that rebuilds
cylinders, the cost for best case was $325.00 each and the worst case of
$600.00 each. The bottom end of the O-200 has a very good reputation for
strength and reliability, check out a photo of the split case on the
internet and you will see it has a very large front bearing. Parts, repair
manuals, and videos showing how to rebuild the O-200 are readily available.
I was told by Aircraft mechanics it is a very simple engine to rebuild
compared to the auto engines I have rebuilt. I was going to rebuild it
myself but I met a mechanic at the EAA Chapter I belong to and he agreed to
work with me for a reasonable price, of course I will be doing the grunt
work and the engine will remain certified.
If one prefers new, the bottom end kit from Continental is $932.18, the
total for 4 new cylinders in the new style comes to $4068.62 with no
exchange.
Originally I was going with Corvair but my family made it clear they would
not fly with me unless I put a Continental or Lycoming in it, that is the
reason for my change of heart.
I hope that helps:
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
----- Original Message -----
From: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours
>
> Alright, be patient with me as I am fairly new to all of this but.... Am
> I crazy for considering an 0-200 overhaul myself (and hopefully with the
> guidance of an A & P). I'm considering a corvair conversion as well, and
> I really love the Jab. I understand that I can get a midtime Continental
> for about 8,000 and rebuild a Corvair for slightly less. The Jab
> unfortunately will knock your socks of at 18000 these days. Aside from
> the $ I would like to gain the experience and knowledge from rebuilding
> my own engine. I am literally shocked that I can find a thousand times
> more information on how to convert your corvair to an aircraft engine than
> simply how to perform your own overhaul on an o-200. Any sources for
> information?
>
> Here is my logic:
>
> I am contemplating my own Corvair rebuild. I believe a Corvair conversion
> to be slightly less reliable than a Continental or Lycosaur. Corvair
> builders please dont consider this and insult as I will openly acknowledge
> that I am a newbie. My beliefs are just that... The beliefs of a newbie.
>
> If I am contemplating my own auto conversion, then why shouldn't I
> consider an o-200 overhaul myself?
>
> Something in my head just keeps telling me that an o-200 is 1940's
> technology, using some common sense, having patience and the right tools
> with some guidance and an overhaul manual that an overhaul should be
> accomplishable by anybody that would also be a candidate for a corvair
> rebuild.
>
> In any case even if I purchase a mid time Cont I sure would like someone
> with more experience than I to perform inspections on the darn thing.
>
> --------
> One Rivet at a Time!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166860#166860
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru ram-air ducts |
Interesting question. The engine is about 6 months old (Hydraulic tappets,
etc.), but the ducts have all the spark plug holes as they appeared on the
Homebuilthelp video.
Dave Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru ram-air ducts
>
> Are you installing the old style or new style ducts? New style doesn't
> have all the holes for the spark plug wires.
>
> Tim
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166910#166910
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Empty Weight |
Hi Dave, I did notice that Zenith does not have the empty weight of the 0-200,
I am trying to find the best engine to useful load, the Jab just cost to much,
and would like to know the empty weight on yours when it is installed. Thanks
Tom
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: Were those weight wet or dry? How
much oil does the Jab hold? (6+lb/gallon)
I am installing the Continental O-200 in my 601 XL, the people at Teledyne
Mattituck told me the O-200 is 215 pounds with accessories, the Jabiru is
listed at 180 with accessories.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz"
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight
>
> Hi Don,
>
> The AMD web site shows 770 pounds empty weight for the factory built XL.
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| Subject: | Re: Routing choke and throttle cables |
I tried to post pix without any success. Sorry! If you want, I can send them to
you directly via your e-mail address.
Dave Nixon
CH 601 XL jabiru 3300
Couple of man hours left to W&B and liftoff.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166942#166942
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| Subject: | Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Robert have been training them for hop takeoffs with a water landing k9
I was thinking of naming the plane golden rules
http://picasaweb.google.com/ernieth/PetsMisc/photo#4945025844194508818
Ernie
Do Not Archive
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM, ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Ernie, does that dog of yours have a driving
> > license? How about teaching him to fly too...hehehe
> > See you at Daniel Websters
> --- ernie <ernieth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wayne,
> >
> > As Michael said I am in Merrimack and I am working
> > the right wing right now.
> >
> > The rudder class worked out great for me.
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/ernieth/Rudder
> > I have a web site that I have not updated in a
> > while.
> >
> > Call in the evening if you like
> > Ernie 424-1391
> >
> >
> > Do not Archive.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Wayne Aho
> > <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is
> > there anyone near Keene, NH
> > > that is building or flying this critter?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Wayne
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Routing choke and throttle cables |
Send them to the Matronics photoshare. Or send them to me and I'll send
them. Attachments sent to the list (even if they do get through) don't
persist very long in the archived e-mail messages.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nixon
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Routing choke and throttle cables
I tried to post pix without any success. Sorry! If you want, I can send them
to you directly via your e-mail address.
Dave Nixon
CH 601 XL jabiru 3300
Couple of man hours left to W&B and liftoff.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166942#166942
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| Subject: | Painting Experience |
I ll say now that I m having a "happy ending" but...............
Here is how my past week went with the AcryGlo Aircraft paint.
AcryGlo is the best paint I ve ever used. It should be because three
gallons set me back $966.00.
I like polished aluminum airplanes. My friends have polished aircraft
and man their beautiful.
But, I m lazy and didnt want to do the steps required to make my 601
shine..
So. I opted to paint... It all started out as a disaster.
I cleaned the aluminum with "aluma prep.
Applied Alodine to get that golden brown/etched base.
I applied epoxy two part metal primer then waited two weeks for the
cure.
Starting with the rudder, I laid it down on my table in the spray booth
I scuffed the primmer to have excellent "bite" for the base coats.
Vaccuumed all the dust and used tack cloths..
I "fogged on three coats and everything looked super.
After the perfect paint job dried, I flipped the rudder over..
Proceeded to do the same steps as on the first side.
Holy Smolly. Pin holes up the Kazoo!.
I bet I had one thousand small holes in the paint...
Thinking I d let it dry and then sand,,, but I m lazy and used reducer
to wipe off the mess...
I changed paint guns. I was using a HVLP gun from Harbor Freight but
went back to my ol trusty "standard" spray gun...
This time I reduced the paint with reducer by 25%.
Well to make this short....Its working out very nice. Not totally
professional but close...
Its much more work than I thought it would be to paint.... I might,
should have polished and then gone flyin...
I guess thats how we learn, aint it ??
SW
..
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Do not archive
Hello Clyde:
We recently completed a major overhaul of a O-200A for a Cessna 150 I'm
involved with. The following is for certified aircraft and I am commenting
without documentation in front of me. This is an argument for buying new
cylinders rather than rebuilding old ones. It depends what you are starting
with.
The O-200 with original Continental cylinders has a AD because of cylinder
head cracking. The AD forces you to loose horsepower by retarding the mag
timing by 4 degrees so the full 100 HP can't be achieved, suppossedly
keeping CHT lower to avoid head cracking.
If you rebuild these older style cylinders, at whatever cost, the AD stays
and they were designed to use 80 octane fuel.
We bought four new ECI cylinders, seems like the cost was about $625. each.
This includes a new piston, rings, all valve parts EXCEPT rocker arms and
pushrods. The wrist pin is not included, but a cyl gasket set is.
The new cylinders accomplish two things, the AD no longer applies, and
everything is built for 100 octane fuel.
New cylinders that give relief from the AD are now available from
Continental, ECI, and Superior.
I have been told by a Engine parts vendor that ECI cylinders are "longer"
that the originals. This can cause your pushrods to be too short to achieve
book value valve clearance. This was the case for our engine, we had to buy
oversize (over-length?) pushrods. Once you've ground your cam, ground your
rockers, etc. all these things add up and as there is no adjustment in the
valve train, (other than the hydraulic lifters working), adding a "longer"
cylinder doesn't help.
I don't know for sure if ECI cylinders are truly longer, I was just told
that. If others have better info, please respond.
Best Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours
>
> I bought a run out O-200 (With logbooks) from Wentworth for $2,800 with a
> replacement guarantee for any major component that cannot be returned to
> service. I was also given the name of a reputable company that rebuilds
> cylinders, the cost for best case was $325.00 each and the worst case of
> $600.00 each. The bottom end of the O-200 has a very good reputation for
> strength and reliability, check out a photo of the split case on the
> internet and you will see it has a very large front bearing. Parts, repair
> manuals, and videos showing how to rebuild the O-200 are readily
available.
> I was told by Aircraft mechanics it is a very simple engine to rebuild
> compared to the auto engines I have rebuilt. I was going to rebuild it
> myself but I met a mechanic at the EAA Chapter I belong to and he agreed
to
> work with me for a reasonable price, of course I will be doing the grunt
> work and the engine will remain certified.
> If one prefers new, the bottom end kit from Continental is $932.18, the
> total for 4 new cylinders in the new style comes to $4068.62 with no
> exchange.
> Originally I was going with Corvair but my family made it clear they would
> not fly with me unless I put a Continental or Lycoming in it, that is the
> reason for my change of heart.
>
> I hope that helps:
>
> Clyde Barcus
> 601 XL, Continental Powered
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| Subject: | Kitplanes Article |
I have an article in the April Kitplanes magazine which some of you
might find interesting.
Chuck D.
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Thanks Randy!
David at Wentworth told me about the AD but I totally forgot, I glad you
brought it up. David reviewed the logbooks for me before I bought the
run-out from him, in my case the cylinders had been replaced and the tags
from the new replacement cylinders were taped to the last page so I should
be good to go. On another note, $625 seems like a heck of a good deal to me.
To those that were interested in the information on the O-200, I apologize
for forgetting such an important item.
Regards:
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours
> <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
> Do not archive
>
> Hello Clyde:
>
> We recently completed a major overhaul of a O-200A for a Cessna 150 I'm
> involved with. The following is for certified aircraft and I am
> commenting
> without documentation in front of me. This is an argument for buying new
> cylinders rather than rebuilding old ones. It depends what you are
> starting
> with.
>
> The O-200 with original Continental cylinders has a AD because of cylinder
> head cracking. The AD forces you to loose horsepower by retarding the mag
> timing by 4 degrees so the full 100 HP can't be achieved, suppossedly
> keeping CHT lower to avoid head cracking.
>
> If you rebuild these older style cylinders, at whatever cost, the AD stays
> and they were designed to use 80 octane fuel.
>
> We bought four new ECI cylinders, seems like the cost was about $625.
> each.
> This includes a new piston, rings, all valve parts EXCEPT rocker arms and
> pushrods. The wrist pin is not included, but a cyl gasket set is.
>
> The new cylinders accomplish two things, the AD no longer applies, and
> everything is built for 100 octane fuel.
>
> New cylinders that give relief from the AD are now available from
> Continental, ECI, and Superior.
>
> I have been told by a Engine parts vendor that ECI cylinders are "longer"
> that the originals. This can cause your pushrods to be too short to
> achieve
> book value valve clearance. This was the case for our engine, we had to
> buy
> oversize (over-length?) pushrods. Once you've ground your cam, ground
> your
> rockers, etc. all these things add up and as there is no adjustment in the
> valve train, (other than the hydraulic lifters working), adding a "longer"
> cylinder doesn't help.
>
> I don't know for sure if ECI cylinders are truly longer, I was just told
> that. If others have better info, please respond.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours
>
>
>>
>> I bought a run out O-200 (With logbooks) from Wentworth for $2,800 with a
>> replacement guarantee for any major component that cannot be returned to
>> service. I was also given the name of a reputable company that rebuilds
>> cylinders, the cost for best case was $325.00 each and the worst case of
>> $600.00 each. The bottom end of the O-200 has a very good reputation for
>> strength and reliability, check out a photo of the split case on the
>> internet and you will see it has a very large front bearing. Parts,
>> repair
>> manuals, and videos showing how to rebuild the O-200 are readily
> available.
>> I was told by Aircraft mechanics it is a very simple engine to rebuild
>> compared to the auto engines I have rebuilt. I was going to rebuild it
>> myself but I met a mechanic at the EAA Chapter I belong to and he agreed
> to
>> work with me for a reasonable price, of course I will be doing the grunt
>> work and the engine will remain certified.
>> If one prefers new, the bottom end kit from Continental is $932.18, the
>> total for 4 new cylinders in the new style comes to $4068.62 with no
>> exchange.
>> Originally I was going with Corvair but my family made it clear they
>> would
>> not fly with me unless I put a Continental or Lycoming in it, that is the
>> reason for my change of heart.
>>
>> I hope that helps:
>>
>> Clyde Barcus
>> 601 XL, Continental Powered
>
>
>
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All-
There has to be a source for these plugs. The wing position lights
that I bought used from Wentworth's that came off a '50s Bonanza has
them. You can tell everything's original.
Good enough for Beech, good enough for me.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: Where?
All-
Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in the
picture? These came from the local hardware store and I want to make
sure I'm using the best.
No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily service my
belly strobe.
Not my best photography!
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Experience |
Hey Steve,
My brother in law owns an RV painting shop. They paint the really expensive
units ($500,000 and up). He was asking me if I want to paint my XL or polish
it out. I told him I really liked the polished look as you do, but I didn't want
to have to keep buffing and buffing to keep it up. He told me he would help
me buff it out and then he would put on several layers of "clear coat" for
me. He said that it locks up the aluminum and will never need polishing again.
I LIKE that idea! I'm still not sure if I want to paint color or not. Maybe
a mixture of both. When the time comes, my brother in law is going to sketch
out some really great looking paint schemes for me. He does really great work.
He painted Randy Travis's motorhome for him (I think it was him). It looked
great - He does a lot of airbrush work too. He's willing to do all of it
for me "just for fun".......he must like me or something.
Larry
steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
I ll say now that I m having a "happy ending" but...............
Here is how my past week went with the AcryGlo Aircraft paint.
AcryGlo is the best paint I ve ever used. It should be because three gallons
set me back $966.00.
I like polished aluminum airplanes. My friends have polished aircraft and man
their beautiful.
But, I m lazy and didnt want to do the steps required to make my 601 shine..
So. I opted to paint... It all started out as a disaster.
I cleaned the aluminum with "aluma prep.
Applied Alodine to get that golden brown/etched base.
I applied epoxy two part metal primer then waited two weeks for the cure.
Starting with the rudder, I laid it down on my table in the spray booth
I scuffed the primmer to have excellent "bite" for the base coats. Vaccuumed
all the dust and used tack cloths..
I "fogged on three coats and everything looked super.
After the perfect paint job dried, I flipped the rudder over..
Proceeded to do the same steps as on the first side.
Holy Smolly. Pin holes up the Kazoo!.
I bet I had one thousand small holes in the paint...
Thinking I d let it dry and then sand,,, but I m lazy and used reducer to wipe
off the mess...
I changed paint guns. I was using a HVLP gun from Harbor Freight but went back
to my ol trusty "standard" spray gun...
This time I reduced the paint with reducer by 25%.
Well to make this short....Its working out very nice. Not totally professional
but close...
Its much more work than I thought it would be to paint.... I might, should
have polished and then gone flyin...
I guess thats how we learn, aint it ??
SW
..
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| Subject: | Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway |
I second Dave Gallagher's advice regarding a CB for the trim. The RAC
instructions advise a 2amp fuse or breaker so buy a breaker that can be
shut off if the problem arises. That's what I did as well.
Dred
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward fuel and oil lines |
I am currently sorting out my firewall forward
installation. Here in Canada, we are required to
fireproof all of our Fuel and oil lines on
experimental installations.
What flavour of hoses are commonly being used for
these fuel and oil line on the Zenith products? I
have been looking at the Aeroquip hoses listed on
Aircraft Spruce but don't want to spend $50-$100 on
hoses and not get the right ones.
Any Guidance?
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
Rotax 912UL
NW Ontario, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Experience |
Does your wife have an unmarried sister by any chance?
Hanss
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Empty Weight |
The main difference between a Corvair and O-200 are:
=2E. starter, alternator, fuel pump
=2E. intake manifold
=2E. weight
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| Subject: | Painting Experience |
Kitplanes did an article on polishing in November last year ("Dare To Be
Bare"). This is what it had to say on coatings:
"When the Nuvite factory was asked about protective coatings, the
recommendation was, "Use nothing." There are two reasons for this. Consider
that you just worked like crazy to get a slick surface. If you were going to
paint it, you'd be roughing it up to get the paint to stick, so it hardly
makes sense to expect a coating to bond to a surface that was intentionally
made smooth. That means that when part of the top coat comes loose, as it
eventually will, it's going to look different than the adjacent area. In
turn, that means that you have to remove the remainder of the top coat,
which will entail damaging the aluminum. Go to jail. Do not pass Go.
The second reason is closely related to the first. You've seen those
super-brilliant Airstream trailers. The older ones had nothing applied, but
with time and customer demand, the factory shifted to coating. The Airstream
cognoscenti claim they can spot a newer trailer, because the coating
eventually gets cloudy and it just doesn't shine the way the older ones do."
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry H
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting Experience
Hey Steve,
My brother in law owns an RV painting shop. They paint the really expensive
units ($500,000 and up). He was asking me if I want to paint my XL or
polish it out. I told him I really liked the polished look as you do, but I
didn't want to have to keep buffing and buffing to keep it up. He told me
he would help me buff it out and then he would put on several layers of
"clear coat" for me. He said that it locks up the aluminum and will never
need polishing again. I LIKE that idea! I'm still not sure if I want to
paint color or not. Maybe a mixture of both. When the time comes, my
brother in law is going to sketch out some really great looking paint
schemes for me. He does really great work. He painted Randy Travis's
motorhome for him (I think it was him). It looked great - He does a lot of
airbrush work too. He's willing to do all of it for me "just for
fun".......he must like me or something.
Larry
steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
I ll say now that I m having a "happy ending" but...............
Here is how my past week went with the AcryGlo Aircraft paint.
AcryGlo is the best paint I ve ever used. It should be because three
gallons set me back $966.00.
I like polished aluminum airplanes. My friends have polished aircraft and
man their beautiful.
But, I m lazy and didnt want to do the steps required to make my 601
shine..
So. I opted to paint... It all started out as a disaster.
I cleaned the aluminum with "aluma prep.
Applied Alodine to get that golden brown/etched base.
I applied epoxy two part metal primer then waited two weeks for the cure.
Starting with the rudder, I laid it down on my table in the spray booth
I scuffed the primmer to have excellent "bite" for the base coats. Vaccuumed
all the dust and used tack cloths..
I "fogged on three coats and everything looked super.
After the perfect paint job dried, I flipped the rudder over..
Proceeded to do the same steps as on the first side.
Holy Smolly. Pin holes up the Kazoo!.
I bet I had one thousand small holes in the paint...
Thinking I d let it dry and then sand,,, but I m lazy and used reducer to
wipe off the mess...
I changed paint guns. I was using a HVLP gun from Harbor Freight but went
back to my ol trusty "standard" spray gun...
This time I reduced the paint with reducer by 25%.
Well to make this short....Its working out very nice. Not totally
professional but close...
Its much more work than I thought it would be to paint.... I might, should
have polished and then gone flyin...
I guess thats how we learn, aint it
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clyde--
You might want to check the regs again. If you hang that nice rebuilt ce
rtified engine on your experimental plane, it is no longer certified.
George May
601XL 912s> From: barcusc@comcast.net> To: zenith-list@matronics.com> Subj
ect: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:00:15 -0600
> > I bought a run out O-200 (With logbooks) from Wentworth for $2,800 with
a > replacement guarantee for any major component that cannot be returned
to > service. I was also given the name of a reputable company that rebuild
s > cylinders, the cost for best case was $325.00 each and the worst case o
f > $600.00 each. The bottom end of the O-200 has a very good reputation fo
r > strength and reliability, check out a photo of the split case on the >
internet and you will see it has a very large front bearing. Parts, repair
> manuals, and videos showing how to rebuild the O-200 are readily availabl
e. > I was told by Aircraft mechanics it is a very simple engine to rebuild
> compared to the auto engines I have rebuilt. I was going to rebuild it >
myself but I met a mechanic at the EAA Chapter I belong to and he agreed t
o > work with me for a reasonable price, of course I will be doing the grun
t > work and the engine will remain certified.> If one prefers new, the bot
tom end kit from Continental is $932.18, the > total for 4 new cylinders in
the new style comes to $4068.62 with no > exchange.> Originally I was goin
g with Corvair but my family made it clear they would > not fly with me unl
ess I put a Continental or Lycoming in it, that is the > reason for my chan
ge of heart.> > I hope that helps:> > Clyde Barcus> 601 XL, Continental Pow
ered> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckg
roup.com>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 20
08 9:27 PM> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours> > > > --> Zenith-List mes
sage posted by: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>> >> > Alright, be p
atient with me as I am fairly new to all of this but.... Am > > I crazy for
considering an 0-200 overhaul myself (and hopefully with the > > guidance
of an A & P). I'm considering a corvair conversion as well, and > > I reall
y love the Jab. I understand that I can get a midtime Continental > > for a
bout 8,000 and rebuild a Corvair for slightly less. The Jab > > unfortunate
ly will knock your socks of at 18000 these days. Aside from > > the $ I wou
ld like to gain the experience and knowledge from rebuilding > > my own eng
ine. I am literally shocked that I can find a thousand times > > more infor
mation on how to convert your corvair to an aircraft engine than > > simply
how to perform your own overhaul on an o-200. Any sources for > > informat
ion?> >> > Here is my logic:> >> > I am contemplating my own Corvair rebuil
d. I believe a Corvair conversion > > to be slightly less reliable than a C
ontinental or Lycosaur. Corvair > > builders please dont consider this and
insult as I will openly acknowledge > > that I am a newbie. My beliefs are
just that... The beliefs of a newbie.> >> > If I am contemplating my own au
to conversion, then why shouldn't I > > consider an o-200 overhaul myself?>
>> > Something in my head just keeps telling me that an o-200 is 1940's >
> technology, using some common sense, having patience and the right tools
> > with some guidance and an overhaul manual that an overhaul should be >
> accomplishable by anybody that would also be a candidate for a corvair >
> rebuild.> >> > In any case even if I purchase a mid time Cont I sure woul
d like someone > > with more experience than I to perform inspections on th
e darn thing.> >> > --------> > One Rivet at a Time!> >> >> >> >> > Read th
is topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1
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| Subject: | Re: Second thoughts |
Take a look at radio shack
Tim Juhl
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Experience |
No, sorry. She is the oldest of 4 kids and the other 3 are brothers.
Larry
hansriet <hansinla@mac.com> wrote:
Does your wife have an unmarried sister by any chance?
Hanss
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do not archive
"On another note, $625 seems like a heck of a good deal to me."
Of course, that was 2 or 3 years ago!
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Empty Weight |
Not really John
----- Original Message -----
From: gpjann1@netzero.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight
The main difference between a Corvair and O-200 are:
.. starter, alternator, fuel pump
.. intake manifold
.. weight
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward fuel and oil lines |
Hi Doug,
My kit and FWF came with "Garden variety" rubber hose. No, not
garden hose, but normal automotive fuel hose. It has a 5/8 inch
outside diameter and 1/4 inch I.D.
It is all covered with "fire sleeve" in the area forward of the
firewall. You can order that stuff from A/S.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 11:54 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:
>What flavour of hoses are commonly being used for
>these fuel and oil line on the Zenith products? I
>have been looking at the Aeroquip hoses listed on
>Aircraft Spruce but don't want to spend $50-$100 on
>hoses and not get the right ones.
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: 0-200 overhaul |
I overhauled my lyc 0-235 with the help of an A&P. I purchased the overhaul manual and parts manual, check this link to e-bay for listings for the 0-200 manuals; http://motors.search.ebay.com/_eBay-Motors_W0QQsacatZ6000QQsassZbigbluebook I found rebuilding the 0-235 to be very similar to a VW engine, except for lockwiring the fasteners. Having an A&P check your work is always a good idea. There are a lot of good quality mid-time engines available as well, but be very careful, there are also a lot of improperly stored engines that have been out of service for years.
Craig S.
N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc
Alright, be patient with me as I am fairly new to all of this but.... Am I crazy
for considering an 0-200 overhaul myself (and hopefully with the guidance of
an A & P).
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron integration |
Right or wrong my left wing is riveted and hanging from the ceiling with straps.
All the plumbing and electrical is in and functioning.
--------
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Experience |
Actually yes. But the sister is A looney toon.
Extreamly NUTS!
----- Original Message -----
From: "hansriet" <hansinla@mac.com>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Painting Experience
>
> Does your wife have an unmarried sister by any chance?
>
> Hanss
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166996#166996
>
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Hi George,
I did check, the engine stands alone when it comes to certification.
However, to keep the certification I would not be able to do anything
but certain types of maintenance myself, it would require a certified
mechanic. One other point, it is possible to get 25 hours instead of the
40 hour restriction.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
----- Original Message -----
From: george may
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours
clyde--
You might want to check the regs again. If you hang that nice
rebuilt certified engine on your experimental plane, it is no longer
certified.
George May
601XL 912s
> From: barcusc@comcast.net
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:00:15 -0600
>
<barcusc@comcast.net>
>
> I bought a run out O-200 (With logbooks) from Wentworth for $2,800
with a
> replacement guarantee for any major component that cannot be
returned to
> service. I was also given the name of a reputable company that
rebuilds
> cylinders, the cost for best case was $325.00 each and the worst
case of
> $600.00 each. The bottom end of the O-200 has a very good reputation
for
> strength and reliability, check out a photo of the split case on the
> internet and you will see it has a very large front bearing. Parts,
repair
> manuals, and videos showing how to rebuild the O-200 are readily
available.
> I was told by Aircraft mechanics it is a very simple engine to
rebuild
> compared to the auto engines I have rebuilt. I was going to rebuild
it
> myself but I met a mechanic at the EAA Chapter I belong to and he
agreed to
> work with me for a reasonable price, of course I will be doing the
grunt
> work and the engine will remain certified.
> If one prefers new, the bottom end kit from Continental is $932.18,
the
> total for 4 new cylinders in the new style comes to $4068.62 with no
> exchange.
> Originally I was going with Corvair but my family made it clear they
would
> not fly with me unless I put a Continental or Lycoming in it, that
is the
> reason for my change of heart.
>
> I hope that helps:
>
> Clyde Barcus
> 601 XL, Continental Powered
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:27 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours
>
>
<michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
> >
> > Alright, be patient with me as I am fairly new to all of this
but.... Am
> > I crazy for considering an 0-200 overhaul myself (and hopefully
with the
> > guidance of an A & P). I'm considering a corvair conversion as
well, and
> > I really love the Jab. I understand that I can get a midtime
Continental
> > for about 8,000 and rebuild a Corvair for slightly less. The Jab
> > unfortunately will knock your socks of at 18000 these days. Aside
from
> > the $ I would like to gain the experience and knowledge from
rebuilding
> > my own engine. I am literally shocked that I can find a thousand
times
> > more information on how to convert your corvair to an aircraft
engine than
> > simply how to perform your own overhaul on an o-200. Any sources
for
> > information?
> >
> > Here is my logic:
> >
> > I am contemplating my own Corvair rebuild. I believe a Corvair
conversion
> > to be slightly less reliable than a Continental or Lycosaur.
Corvair
> > builders please dont consider this and insult as I will openly
acknowledge
> > that I am a newbie. My beliefs are just that... The beliefs of a
newbie.
> >
> > If I am contemplating my own auto conversion, then why shouldn't I
> > consider an o-200 overhaul myself?
> >
> > Something in my head just keeps telling me that an o-200 is 1940's
> > technology, using some common sense, having patience and the right
tools
> > with some guidance and an overhaul manual that an overhaul should
be
> > accomplishable by anybody that would also be a candidate for a
corvair
> > rebuild.
> >
> > In any case even if I purchase a mid time Cont I sure would like
someone
> > with more experience than I to perform inspections on the darn
thing.
> >
> > --------
> > One Rivet at a Time!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166860#166860
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> &g=================
>
>
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I was talking to one of the A&P instructors at MTSU a couple of days
ago. We were talking about the 40 hour restriction period for
homebuilts. He spoke up and said "25, if you go with a certified
engine". I had forgotten that, as well.
Clyde: We need to touch base. Haven't heard about you project in a while.
Kevin Bonds
Clyde Barcus wrote:
> Hi George,
>
> I did check, the engine stands alone when it comes to certification.
> However, to keep the certification I would not be able to do anything
> but certain types of maintenance myself, it would require a certified
> mechanic. One other point, it is possible to get 25 hours instead of
> the 40 hour restriction.
>
> Clyde Barcus
> 601 XL, Continental Powered
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* george may <mailto:gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 29, 2008 6:48 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours
>
> clyde--
> You might want to check the regs again. If you hang that nice
> rebuilt certified engine on your experimental plane, it is no
> longer certified.
>
>
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