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1. 01:47 AM - Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Dave Johnson)
2. 03:34 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 03:53 AM - Re: I have to share. (David Downey)
4. 05:02 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (george may)
5. 05:15 AM - Re: Needley engine (kmccune)
6. 05:47 AM - Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Juan Vega)
7. 05:49 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Juan Vega)
8. 06:02 AM - Re: Fuel System Questions (MacDonald Doug)
9. 06:12 AM - Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (rgeese)
10. 06:15 AM - Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Dave Nixon)
11. 06:40 AM - Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (GLJSOJ1)
12. 06:44 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Bill Steer)
13. 07:08 AM - Re: 601/701/801 seatbelts (Rich)
14. 07:26 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (LarryMcFarland)
15. 07:37 AM - Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (KC7HFA)
16. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (David Downey)
17. 08:08 AM - Needley Engine Comment (Bill Naumuk)
18. 08:26 AM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Terry Phillips)
19. 08:26 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Jaybannist@cs.com)
20. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Jaybannist@cs.com)
21. 08:42 AM - Zenith Response time (Stanley Challgren)
22. 09:12 AM - Re: Fuel System Questions (steve)
23. 09:12 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Leo Gates)
24. 09:16 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (steve)
25. 09:16 AM - Re: Distibutor Cap and Rotor Information (Tim Juhl)
26. 09:17 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Roger Lee)
27. 09:44 AM - Insurance (Dan)
28. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (David Downey)
29. 10:01 AM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Jeff)
30. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Craig Payne)
31. 10:08 AM - 601 locker tanks (Bill Naumuk)
32. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Jaybannist@cs.com)
33. 10:24 AM - Re: I have to share. (Carlos Sa)
34. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Jaybannist@cs.com)
35. 10:40 AM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Terry Phillips)
36. 11:16 AM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Bryan Martin)
37. 11:23 AM - Re: 601 locker tanks (Gary Boothe)
38. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (David Downey)
39. 11:46 AM - Re: Fuel System Questions (MacDonald Doug)
40. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Jay Maynard)
41. 12:03 PM - NASON Oil Presssure Switch (Bill Pagan)
42. 01:20 PM - Re: Needley Engine Comment (Larry H)
43. 01:27 PM - Pump+Switch (Bill Naumuk)
44. 01:56 PM - Re: Pump+Switch (Gary Boothe)
45. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (David Downey)
46. 02:20 PM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Terry Phillips)
47. 02:23 PM - Re: Pump+Switch (Bill Naumuk)
48. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Terry Phillips)
49. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Jay Maynard)
50. 04:54 PM - Re: Pump+Switch (Jerry Latimer)
51. 05:21 PM - Re: Pump+Switch (George Swinford)
52. 05:21 PM - Re: NASON Oil Presssure Switch (Ron Lendon)
53. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Elden Jacobson)
54. 06:15 PM - Re: Pump+Switch (cookwithgas)
55. 08:06 PM - Re: Fuel System Questions (MacDonald Doug)
56. 09:18 PM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Ron Lendon)
57. 10:11 PM - Re: Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Terry Phillips)
58. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: Pump+Switch (Terry Phillips)
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
I mounted mine under the fuselage, just forward of the leading edge of the
stabiliser.
This was to keep it out of the sun and well clear of engine heat.
Dave Johnson
601XL - almost there!
----- Original Message -----
From: "hansriet" <hansinla@mac.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:12 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon's OAT sensor
>
> Did anybody mount their Dynon OAT sensor in the right wing? If so where?
> If not, where did you mount the OAT sensor?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hans
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168325#168325
>
>
>
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| Subject: | A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
After a few years on this list, this is the first time I have seen
any real discussion of aircraft insurance. Bravo!
I tried getting information on insurance from Avemco and Falcon
(EAA's anointed agent), and also spoke to insurance folks at a recent
trade show. From my perspective the picture is bleak.
Avemco sent me a quote, but it didn't include most of the coverage I
wanted. For example, I wanted my wife named as a student pilot and
they refused. Also, they refused coverage for my first flights.
The Falcon guy was cooperative, but I didn't pursue the question
since I was still a long time from finishing my plane. I know the
EAA program includes first flight coverage, but I don't know how
these guys react to the Sport Pilot issue.
I had an interesting conversation with an agent and also an
underwriter at the trade show a few weeks ago. I was left with a
very sour taste in my mouth. The underwriter seemed interested only
in discussing all the reasons his company could find to refuse to pay
a claim. One issue offered by the agent in the conversation was
coverage would be refused if an accident occurred when the pilot
didn't have a current BFR. When I pointed out that there are no
longer BFRs from the FAA's perspective the answer I got was the
insurance companies demand more from pilots than the FAA
does. Another issue raised by the underwriter was "Pilot
Warranty". This apparently means the insured owner "Warrants" the
skill level of the pilot. If an accident occurs and the pilot is not
up to the guaranteed skill level then the claim will be refused -
even if the pilot performed perfectly.
At this point, I am seriously considering not getting insurance for
my plane at all. I would like to have some liability insurance, but
that might not work out either. I just don't feel like the insurance
companies are delivering what they sell . . .
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 07:39 PM 3/7/2008, you wrote:
>I have found that EAA and AOPA "programs" are no special advantage
>because they are still agents that buy insurance on the open market
>from the same underwriters. Avemco is different, and I find them
>much easier to deal with.
>
>Jim LoBue
>601XL
>Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: I have to share. |
Go! Go!, Go!
Today was a big day for me. After almost a year (39 hours) of flight
training, and waiting 8 months for my 3rd class medical, I got to solo
today.
http://www.steensland.net/images/post-solo.jpg
On a side note, I ordered up my tail from zenith this week as well. So
I'm officially official!
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
"Also, they refused coverage for my first flights."
Paul--
I've had Avemco on my Zodiac---liability only. They did cover my first
flight for liability, however, I believe they indicated that the hull (if I
had it) would not be covered until I had 10 hours on the plane.
George May
601XL 912s > >
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| Subject: | Re: Needley engine |
Maybe I was jumping the gun a little, this was just on light sportaircraft
http://www.lightsportaircraft.ca/volume2-issue8/webcast-4/index.html
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
My Dynon OAT is mounted on the passenger side NACA Vent, so it is out of the way
of getting bumped by debries and people. the air path is neutral and not warmed
by exhaust.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Johnson <david_a_g_johnson@btinternet.com>
>Sent: Mar 8, 2008 4:42 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon's OAT sensor
>
>
>I mounted mine under the fuselage, just forward of the leading edge of the
>stabiliser.
>
>This was to keep it out of the sun and well clear of engine heat.
>
>Dave Johnson
>
>601XL - almost there!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "hansriet" <hansinla@mac.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:12 AM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon's OAT sensor
>
>
>>
>> Did anybody mount their Dynon OAT sensor in the right wing? If so where?
>> If not, where did you mount the OAT sensor?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168325#168325
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
i have not seen that just yet. the insurance companies seem a little skittish
with having pilots fly with no medical, it is an unknown risk. I have seen guys
that got bad strokes, and let their medical laps and are still flying. Ask
them what the rate is if you pass a medical.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kelly Meiste <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
>Sent: Mar 7, 2008 9:20 PM
>To: Zenith List <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot
>
>The yearly renewal of my 601 HD insurance is now due and was stunned to see my
insurance premium jump over 30% this year.
>
>When I asked my agent from SkySmith (underwriter is AIG) why my rate climbed so
much for this year I was shocked to hear their answer. I've just converted
over to flying as a Sport Pilot with my HD and they tell me THAT is the reason
my rates skyrocketed (see they explanation below).
>
>" I have been unable to receive a quote from any other companies as they will
not provide coverage to pilots
>flying in the Sport Category."
>
>Apparently no one wants to insure Sport Pilots, and those that will see a huge
profit to be made with this new classification.
>Has anyone else found this to be the case, and if so has anyone found a reasonable
Sport Pilot friendly company to insure with?
>
>Kelly Meiste
>601 HD
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
Because I'm in Canada and that is what is mandated.
>From what I understand, the MD-RA (similar to DAR)
doesn't like any 1/4 inch in the fuel system at all.
Problem is, the Rotax has 1/4 inch fittings on the
pump and carbs.
Doug MacDonald
Do not archive
--- John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> So why are you going with 3/8" from the tanks
> instead of 1/4" ?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
It's not officially installed yet, but I have installed the wiring to mount it
on the left fuselage side, under the wing, just forward of the flap hinge. Here
it will be somewhat protected and out of direct sunlight and the exhaust stream.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the co-pilot's seat
just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out the sun (very important)
and away from the exhaust gas. It works very good.
Dave Nixon
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
I put mine under the horizontal stab near the remote compass sensor.
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601XL N676L reserved
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Have you talked to SkySmith? They write insurance for AIG.
ins@skysmith.com.
Bill
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
> After a few years on this list, this is the first time I have seen any
> real discussion of aircraft insurance. Bravo!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601/701/801 seatbelts |
oh... I forgot to mention that I spoke to Roger several times. Don't
know why someone there can't just go to the plane & measure the length.
It takes less than 5 minutes... heck, less than 2 minutes.
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Hi Kelly,
The Sport Pilot allows that a person can drop the medical as an
annoyance or conceal medical problems from the insurer.
That's probably the short answer and that they don't want to assume more
risk without compensation. It's also a great way
for them to increase their profitability knowing the actual risks involved.
I'm really not surprised and will continue to get the medical so long as
I'm able.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Kelly Meiste wrote:
> The yearly renewal of my 601 HD insurance is now due and was stunned
> to see my insurance premium jump over 30% this year.
>
> When I asked my agent from SkySmith (underwriter is AIG) why my rate
> climbed so much for this year I was shocked to hear their answer.
> I've just converted over to flying as a Sport Pilot with my HD and
> they tell me THAT is the reason my rates skyrocketed (see they
> explanation below).
>
> " I have been unable to receive a quote from any other companies as
> they will not provide coverage to pilots
> flying in the Sport Category."
>
> Apparently no one wants to insure Sport Pilots, and those that will
> see a huge profit to be made with this new classification.
> Has anyone else found this to be the case, and if so has anyone found
> a reasonable Sport Pilot friendly company to insure with?
>
> Kelly Meiste
> 601 HD
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
I mounted two, one for the D180 & one for the D100, on each side of the fuselage
centered under the horizontal stabilizer.
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N601ZX - CH-601 XL
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight. In the
past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many aircraft stuck
right through the canopy bow.
I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the co-pilot's seat
just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out the sun (very important)
and away from the exhaust gas. It works very good.
Dave Nixon
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Needley Engine Comment |
All-
I added the remark "WW isn't the best of communicators, either" as
an addition to the Needley Engine posting on the Zenith list a couple of
days ago and still stand behind it. What people have to realize is that
in spite of the fact that WW's organization fails to keep customers
informed as to the status of their orders, they offer good components
that will be delivered. Case in point:
Earlier this year I wrote a check to cover the price of several
components. After a few months, I received an e-mail from WW and USPS
confirmation that my parts would be sent out "Tuesday", and could he
cash the check? I said OK.
Nearly a month later, I still hadn't received the parts. What would
you think?
I e-mailed WW and Grace responded with, "Sorry for the confusion,
I'll reschedule shipment". Turns out the parts had come to the post
office the day before but I hadn't yet been notified.
Communications breakdown both inside and out.
Bottom line is I feel like a shit for doubting WWs word, but
customers of any company have basic expectations. We're not talking
chicken feed here. If any of you placed a $1000 order with ACS, they
told you you'd see your parts on a certain day and you didn't see them
for a month or hear that they were back-ordered you'd be furious. WW has
to learn to comply with the same standard to erase his "Bad businessman"
reputation. Any CorvairCraft customer knows he's making great strides.
All's well that ends well- I have my parts as promised.
WW+Grace, bless you, I'm not picking on you. Just pointing out that
as long as customers know the status of their orders chances are they'll
continue to be loyal customers.
Your loyal customer...
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
Doug
Are the 1/4" fittings on the pump and carb 1/4" NPT or are they 1/4" AN
tubing fittings?
If they are NPT fittings (like on the Facet 40105 pumps), you should be
aware that the i.d. of even 1/8" schedule 40 pipe is 0.269-inch while the
i.d. of 1/4" schedule 40 pipe is 0.364".
The i.d. of 3/8" aluminum tubing with 0.035 walls is 0.305-inch, which is
smaller than 1/4" schedule 40 pipe, and not all that much larger than 1/8"
schedule 40 pipe. The i.d. of 1/4" tubing with .035 walls is only 0.18".
The flow area for the 3/8" tubing is 2.87 time greater than the 1/4"
tubing. So average flow velocities are ~3x greater in the 1/4" tubing than
in the 3/8" tubing. IIRC, pressure drop increases roughly as the square of
velocity, so pressure drop in 1/4" tubing would be ~8x the pressure drop in
the 3/8" tubing.
Terry
At 06:00 AM 3/8/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>Because I'm in Canada and that is what is mandated.
> >From what I understand, the MD-RA (similar to DAR)
>doesn't like any 1/4 inch in the fuel system at all.
>Problem is, the Rotax has 1/4 inch fittings on the
>pump and carbs.
>
>Doug MacDonald
>Do not archive
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Larry,
The problem a lot of us older guys have is that we have stuff in the distant past
that the FAA medical "Head Water Moccasin" can use to deny a medical, despite
having passed an exam. I know that because it happened to me. He doesn't have
to have a reason. That is his prerogative. In my case he didn't actually
deny my medical. He just said that, in his opinion, I was not fit to fly; but
just to show what a great guy I am, I'm going to grant you a "special issuance",
good for six years. That still required a medical exam every two years, two
of which I passed. When it came time for the third exam, I decided not to
chance being denied a medical for no reason. So it is not always to "avoid an
annoyance or to conceal a medical problem".
Jay in Dallas
LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Kelly,
>The Sport Pilot allows that a person can drop the medical as an
>annoyance or conceal medical problems from the insurer.
>That's probably the short answer and that they don't want to assume more
>risk without compensation. It's also a great way
>for them to increase their profitability knowing the actual risks involved.
>I'm really not surprised and will continue to get the medical so long as
>I'm able.
>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>Kelly Meiste wrote:
>> The yearly renewal of my 601 HD insurance is now due and was stunned
>> to see my insurance premium jump over 30% this year.
>>
>> When I asked my agent from SkySmith (underwriter is AIG) why my rate
>> climbed so much for this year I was shocked to hear their answer.
>> I've just converted over to flying as a Sport Pilot with my HD and
>> they tell me THAT is the reason my rates skyrocketed (see they
>> explanation below).
>>
>> " I have been unable to receive a quote from any other companies as
>> they will not provide coverage to pilots
>> flying in the Sport Category."
>>
>> Apparently no one wants to insure Sport Pilots, and those that will
>> see a huge profit to be made with this new classification.
>> Has anyone else found this to be the case, and if so has anyone found
>> a reasonable Sport Pilot friendly company to insure with?
>>
>> Kelly Meiste
>> 601 HD
>> *
>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
Dave,
If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not exposed
to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
Jay in Dallas
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David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight. In the
past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many aircraft stuck
right through the canopy bow.
>
>
>I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the co-pilot's seat
just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out the sun (very important)
and away from the exhaust gas. It works very good.
>Dave Nixon
>
>
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>
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> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Zenith Response time |
Zen Guys:
Larry said: "Whenever I send any email to Zenith, it usually takes
them at least a week to answer it. If you want better service, I
suggest you pick up the phone and give them a call. You'll have your
answer much quicker that way."
My experience is the opposite. Three times recently I have sent
Emails to Zenair and have gotten answers within 12 hours on each
occasion. Of course, I could be asking easier questions.
Stan
N701VG
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
Another question:::
I have a Jabiru 3300A with one mechanical fuel pump. Then I have an
electric "boost" pump on the firewall...
This is how it came from Zenith. My Cherokee has the same set up. One
boost and one mechanical....
I see that some XLs have a pump at each wing....
Please set me straight. Whats the correct way to do the installation.....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Phillips" <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel System Questions
>
> Doug
>
> Are the 1/4" fittings on the pump and carb 1/4" NPT or are they 1/4" AN
> tubing fittings?
>
> If they are NPT fittings (like on the Facet 40105 pumps), you should be
> aware that the i.d. of even 1/8" schedule 40 pipe is 0.269-inch while the
> i.d. of 1/4" schedule 40 pipe is 0.364".
>
> The i.d. of 3/8" aluminum tubing with 0.035 walls is 0.305-inch, which is
> smaller than 1/4" schedule 40 pipe, and not all that much larger than 1/8"
> schedule 40 pipe. The i.d. of 1/4" tubing with .035 walls is only 0.18".
> The flow area for the 3/8" tubing is 2.87 time greater than the 1/4"
> tubing. So average flow velocities are ~3x greater in the 1/4" tubing than
> in the 3/8" tubing. IIRC, pressure drop increases roughly as the square of
> velocity, so pressure drop in 1/4" tubing would be ~8x the pressure drop
> in the 3/8" tubing.
>
> Terry
>
>
> At 06:00 AM 3/8/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>>Because I'm in Canada and that is what is mandated.
>> >From what I understand, the MD-RA (similar to DAR)
>>doesn't like any 1/4 inch in the fuel system at all.
>>Problem is, the Rotax has 1/4 inch fittings on the
>>pump and carbs.
>>
>>Doug MacDonald
>>Do not archive
>
>
> Terry Phillips
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
> are done; working on the wings
> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
I changed to sport pilot last year. My AIG liability/hull insurance
went up less than 5%. I had insured with AIG for 3 years as a private
pilot. 300 hours total tail dragger time the first time I insured.
The first one hundred hours were 50 years ago. - I'm now 73 and happy.
Leo Gates
N601Z - CH601hds TDO
Rotax 912UL
Kelly Meiste wrote:
> The yearly renewal of my 601 HD insurance is now due and was stunned
> to see my insurance premium jump over 30% this year.
>
> When I asked my agent from SkySmith (underwriter is AIG) why my rate
> climbed so much for this year I was shocked to hear their answer.
> I've just converted over to flying as a Sport Pilot with my HD and
> they tell me THAT is the reason my rates skyrocketed (see they
> explanation below).
>
> " I have been unable to receive a quote from any other companies as
> they will not provide coverage to pilots
> flying in the Sport Category."
>
> Apparently no one wants to insure Sport Pilots, and those that will
> see a huge profit to be made with this new classification.
> Has anyone else found this to be the case, and if so has anyone found
> a reasonable Sport Pilot friendly company to insure with?
>
> Kelly Meiste
> 601 HD
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Im without insurance til I get my XL flying. I have had "other" homebuilts
insured and my broker is Chapparal out of Bermuda Dunes, California.
What was always said to me was, I needed to have the approiate medical for
the rating I was using.
I asked about Sport Pilot and was told, " If its not required then a medical
isnt needed". Just like the Gliders that I ve owned over the years. No
medical required....
Of course insurance companies are like lawyers. Hate them til you need
them.....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot
>
> Hi Kelly,
> The Sport Pilot allows that a person can drop the medical as an annoyance
> or conceal medical problems from the insurer.
> That's probably the short answer and that they don't want to assume more
> risk without compensation. It's also a great way
> for them to increase their profitability knowing the actual risks
> involved.
> I'm really not surprised and will continue to get the medical so long as
> I'm able.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
> Kelly Meiste wrote:
>> The yearly renewal of my 601 HD insurance is now due and was stunned to
>> see my insurance premium jump over 30% this year.
>> When I asked my agent from SkySmith (underwriter is AIG) why my rate
>> climbed so much for this year I was shocked to hear their answer. I've
>> just converted over to flying as a Sport Pilot with my HD and they tell
>> me THAT is the reason my rates skyrocketed (see they explanation below).
>> " I have been unable to receive a quote from any other companies as they
>> will not provide coverage to pilots
>> flying in the Sport Category."
>> Apparently no one wants to insure Sport Pilots, and those that will see
>> a huge profit to be made with this new classification. Has anyone else
>> found this to be the case, and if so has anyone found a reasonable Sport
>> Pilot friendly company to insure with?
>> Kelly Meiste
>> 601 HD
>> *
>> *
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Distibutor Cap and Rotor Information |
I'd post the question to the Jabiru Engines list. The numbers refer to Bosch
Australia parts (I believe) and I found some cross references but would hestitate
to use them without knowing for sure they were correct.
Pete Krotje at JabiruUSA could also tell you.
Tim
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--------
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Hi Guys,
I have Avemco for my Flight Design CT. I have liability and hull. I have several
thousand hours, but my partner only has about 200 hrs. Our premium is based
on the pilot with the lowest hours. For full coverage of $112K ours is $1900 a
year, paid quarterly.
Avemco writes its own policies where the other companies are underwriters. I believe
EAA (I'm a member) goes out to as many as 13 other companies for an underwriter.
Avemco told me this year that rates were going up at least 10-25% across the board
with a lot of companies when you renewed because of too many claims in the
Sport Pilot category and the high pay outs. I guess they aren't making enough
profit at our expense. [Rolling Eyes]
Avemco does give 5% off for flight reviews each year and another 5% off for viewing
a King Aviation Video.
This is just an observation:
We as a group are flying more or less high dollar planes ($60K-$130K). The new
LSA pilots whether new or PP transitions should get some good instruction as
they do land and fly a little different than the heavier GA planes. I would recommend
an LSA CFI over some, not all, (no offense to some GA CFI's, some are
good) GA CFI's because the LSA CFI's are more familiar with light aircraft and
the differences between the GA and LSA flying characteristics. I might be wrong,
but it seems a lot of crashes have come from the PP transition pilot with
no LSA instruction or GA CFI over a brand new pilot and of course just about
all of these were attributed to pilot error. If we as a group , LSA or Experimental
want to keep our insurance rates down then we have to do a better job as
a group in keeping our planes in one piece.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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All:
If you are a member of the US Ultralight Association (USUA), you can get
insurance from 1st Flight Insurance Group out of Kitty Hawk, NC. I am
paying $440 per year for _Liability only_ for my 701. The insurance is
only good as long as you are a member of the USUA. Check the USUA
website for details.
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it would
take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more than a very
very small influence after the first several minutes of flight.
Dave,
If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not exposed
to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
David Downey
wrote:
>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight. In the
past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many aircraft stuck
right through the canopy bow.
>
>
>I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the co-pilot's seat
just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out the sun (very important)
and away from the exhaust gas. It works very good.
>Dave Nixon
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168400#168400
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel System Questions |
SW,
There are a multitude of postings in the archive about fuel systems
and fuel pumps. In particular, see postings by "Hinde, Frank George
(Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> I don't believe Frank is still on the
list, but he had standing in fluid systems design. In general, the
recommendation was to locate the Facet pumps as close to the fuel tank(s) as
possible. This avoids "sucking" on the fuel which possibly could cause
vapor lock. See Frank's posts for a more eloquent explanation.
Jeff Davidson
Another question:::
I have a Jabiru 3300A with one mechanical fuel pump. Then I have an
electric "boost" pump on the firewall...
This is how it came from Zenith. My Cherokee has the same set up. One
boost and one mechanical....
I see that some XLs have a pump at each wing....
Please set me straight. Whats the correct way to do the installation.....
SW
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
Well in my instrument (MGL Enigma) the OAT drives the density altitude
display - something I want to know *before* I try to take off.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Downey
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor
...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it
would take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more than
a very very small influence after the first several minutes of flight.
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
Dave,
If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not
exposed to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
David Downey wrote:
>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight. In
the past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many
aircraft stuck right through the canopy bow.
>
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| Subject: | 601 locker tanks |
HD/HDS people-
Just opened my locker tank "Kit" and realised the fuel pump and
selector switch (Minor omissions) weren't included.
Is this to be expected or am I missing a package? If the former,
what fuel pump and selector switch should I order?
Needless to say, I can't sit down without a cushion at this point.
Thanks.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
Dave, I don't understand why flying would influence a temperature probe. Probes
are not sensitive to "wind chill" or "heat index". They ARE influenced by direct
sunlight, which is why temps are always taken in the shade (if they are
to be accurate).
Jay in Dallas
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it would
take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more than a very
very small influence after the first several minutes of flight.
>
>
>Dave,
>
>If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not exposed
to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
>
>Jay in Dallas
>Do not archive
>
>
>David Downey
> wrote:
>
>>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight. In the
past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many aircraft stuck
right through the canopy bow.
>>
>>
>>I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the co-pilot's seat
just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out the sun (very important)
and away from the exhaust gas. It works very good.
>>Dave Nixon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168400#168400
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>> 100 HP Corvair
>>
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I have to share. |
It's alway a great occasion when a new pilot (to be) get his wings !
Congratulations and welcome to the club !
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
do not archive
On 07/03/2008, Lee Steensland <zenith-list@steensland.net> wrote:
>
> zenith-list@steensland.net>
>
> Today was a big day for me. After almost a year (39 hours) of flight
> training, and waiting 8 months for my 3rd class medical, I got to solo
> today.
>
> http://www.steensland.net/images/post-solo.jpg
>
> On a side note, I ordered up my tail from zenith this week as well. So
> I'm officially official!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
Out of curiosity, I just took my electronic temp probe out into the sunlight.
In the shade it read 45.3 degF; in the sun, 73.9 degF after about 4 minutes.
Jay in Dallas
do not archive
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it would
take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more than a very
very small influence after the first several minutes of flight.
>
>
>Dave,
>
>If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not exposed
to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
>
>Jay in Dallas
>Do not archive
>
>
>David Downey
> wrote:
>
>>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight. In the
past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many aircraft stuck
right through the canopy bow.
>>
>>
>>I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the co-pilot's seat
just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out the sun (very important)
and away from the exhaust gas. It works very good.
>>Dave Nixon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168400#168400
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>> 100 HP Corvair
>>
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
Steve
I believe that there are multiple correct ways, just different. I'm
planning to burn mogas as much as possible. Mogas reportedly has a higher
vapor pressure than avgas, and therefore the system can vapor lock at a
lower temperature. If you read the instructions for the Facet 40105 pump,
they say to mount it as close to the tank as possible. The electric fuel
pumps that I've replaced on various automobiles have all been mounted just
outside of the tank. Most modern cars have the electric pump inside the tank.
For my comfort, I decided to mount a fuel pump in each wing, between nose
ribs 2 and 3. The 601XL standard design has a single pump on the firewall,
with the gascolator poking through the cockpit floor just forward of the
main spar. So, I'm adding a second fuel pump (1.2 lbs) and a second
gascolator (0.6 lbs with fuel) and I'm using aluminum fuel tubing behind
the firewall. Aluminum fuel tubing is used on most certified airplanes. It
seems better to me.
The upside of wing fuel pumps is that vapor lock probability should be
reduced. The downside is that fuel flows through the cockpit at higher
pressure, so any leak there would be a more serious problem. So, you pays
your money and you takes your chances.
Terry
At 10:08 AM 3/8/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Another question:::
>
>I have a Jabiru 3300A with one mechanical fuel pump. Then I have an
>electric "boost" pump on the firewall...
>This is how it came from Zenith. My Cherokee has the same set up. One
>boost and one mechanical....
>I see that some XLs have a pump at each wing....
>Please set me straight. Whats the correct way to do the installation.....
>
>SW
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
It also depends on what type of fuel you intend to use. Avgas is a
more uniform mixture than auto gas, it doesn't have the low boiling
point components that auto gas has so it's more resistant to vapor
lock than auto gas.
With auto gas, you want to make sure that the inlets to your pumps are
gravity fed at all times (at least for the boost pump) You want the
pressure in the fuel line to be above ambient pressure, the boiling
point of gasoline decreases with a decrease in pressure. You don't
want to draw a suction on a fuel line filled with auto gas, on a hot
day, it could cause the fuel in the line to vaporize and fuel pumps
won't pump vaporized fuel. That's also why you don't want to use any
supply lines less than 1/4" ID. A liquid flowing through a tube will
experience a pressure drop across the length of the tube, the smaller
the tube, the faster the flow and the worse the pressure drop.
Putting the electric pumps in the wings at the outlet from the tanks
pretty much guarantees you won't vapor lock the pumps, but it may be a
bit of overkill. I put my fuel pumps on the cabin floor in the rudder
cable tunnel just ahead of the gascolator near the lowest point of the
system. In that location, they should be gravity fed in nearly any
flight attitude or fuel state. The only possible way I can see vapor
lock developing in my system is during a steep climb out at full
throttle on a very hot day with a very low fuel level in the tank.
That is a situation I don't intend to get myself into.
> >
>
> Another question:::
>
> I have a Jabiru 3300A with one mechanical fuel pump. Then I have an
> electric "boost" pump on the firewall...
> This is how it came from Zenith. My Cherokee has the same set up.
> One boost and one mechanical....
> I see that some XLs have a pump at each wing....
> Please set me straight. Whats the correct way to do the
> installation.....
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | 601 locker tanks |
Bill,
I received one fuel pump and no selector switches. I don't know about the
switches, but I'm going to have to work fast to move the pump back and forth
while in flight.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD,
Tail done, wings done, c-section - ALL FOR SALE
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 locker tanks
HD/HDS people-
Just opened my locker tank "Kit" and realised the fuel pump and selector
switch (Minor omissions) weren't included.
Is this to be expected or am I missing a package? If the former, what
fuel pump and selector switch should I order?
Needless to say, I can't sit down without a cushion at this point.
Thanks.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
very good point.
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote: Well in my instrument
(MGL Enigma) the OAT drives the density altitude display something
I want to know *before* I try to take off.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Downey
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:47 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor
...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it would
take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more than a very
very small influence after the first several minutes of flight.
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
Dave,
If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not exposed
to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
Jay in Dallas
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David Downey wrote:
>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight. In the
past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many aircraft stuck
right through the canopy bow.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
The Rotax/Piersburg fuel pump has essentially a 1/4"
metal tube with a bulge crimped into the end of it for
a rubber fuel line to go over and be held on with a
hose clamp. The fittings are welded/crimped to the
case of the pump and not changable. So I suppose the
answer to your question would be, neither 1/4 NPT or
1/4 AN.
Fortunately, on the 701, we have gravity working for
us. If this were a 601, I would definately be
installing dual Facets mentioned in another post.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scatch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
> <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
>
> Doug
>
> Are the 1/4" fittings on the pump and carb 1/4" NPT
> or are they 1/4" AN
> tubing fittings?
>
> If they are NPT fittings (like on the Facet 40105
> pumps), you should be
> aware that the i.d. of even 1/8" schedule 40 pipe is
> 0.269-inch while the
> i.d. of 1/4" schedule 40 pipe is 0.364".
>
> The i.d. of 3/8" aluminum tubing with 0.035 walls is
> 0.305-inch, which is
> smaller than 1/4" schedule 40 pipe, and not all that
> much larger than 1/8"
> schedule 40 pipe. The i.d. of 1/4" tubing with .035
> walls is only 0.18".
> The flow area for the 3/8" tubing is 2.87 time
> greater than the 1/4"
> tubing. So average flow velocities are ~3x greater
> in the 1/4" tubing than
> in the 3/8" tubing. IIRC, pressure drop increases
> roughly as the square of
> velocity, so pressure drop in 1/4" tubing would be
> ~8x the pressure drop in
> the 3/8" tubing.
>
> Terry
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 09:15:03AM -0800, Roger Lee wrote:
> Avemco told me this year that rates were going up at least 10-25% across
> the board with a lot of companies when you renewed because of too many
> claims in the Sport Pilot category and the high pay outs. I guess they
> aren't making enough profit at our expense. [Rolling Eyes]
I haven't spoken to Avemco, but both Falcon and AOPA quoted me in the
neighborhood of $3500 the first year for a 170 hour pilot with 10 hours dual
in type.
--
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http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (getting ready to order)
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| Subject: | NASON Oil Presssure Switch |
Anybody have a source for the NASON oil pressure switch WW recommends in his manual?
Can't seem to find it anywhere.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
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| Subject: | Re: Needley Engine Comment |
Dear Bill,
I was one of those people that questioned WW and his ability to provide parts
several months ago. What I didn't realize (but soon did) is HOW does William
have the time to do everything he does?? He does the research to find a new vendors/suppliers
for the parts that can be made on a CNC now. He still does new
prototype work and research on new product development. He does repair work
at the hanger I'm sure. He has to get everything ready for all the upcoming
air events and takes the time to travel and promote. And then, where does he
STILL have the time to eat, sleep and spend some QUALITY TIME with Grace Ellen?
I know from my own personal and professional life, SOMETHING has to give. He's
only one man (wife a great wife and crew behind him). Does he still pick up
and answer your phone call if you need help??? Does he get on line (one of
his most UN-FAVORITE things to do I'm sure) to answer peoples questions or set
something (or someone) straight about certain things?? Sure he does. Does he
TRY to keep you and everyone else updated to his new findings on his research
and new developments on his products? Sure he does. How do you think he does
all of this?? Where does he find the time?? He makes it.
As this "movement" towards using the Corvair has literally EXPLODED on him and
his small operation, William and Grace was forced into doing something different
and view how their parts are/was being made. They have SOLD their 601 to
put more sale-able inventory on the shelf so people like you and me don't have
to WAIT as long. Did you realize that? If he is like most smaller manufacturing
facilities, they don't just make ONE of anything at a time. It's NOT cost
effective to set up a jig or build just one of anything so when he does take
the time to get ahead on the hottest parts (usually the most past due to customers),
he falls behind on other parts - its usually a very vicious cycle.....Am
I close here William??
I've been a former Plant Materials/Production Manager for far too many years
and I KNOW what he is up against. I am just DAMNED HAPPY that he is still WILLING
to do whatever is necessary to provide the parts that we are demanding of
him. One thing you can rest assure is, William DOES have his fingers into EVERY
aspect of all the parts that are now and will be produced outside his facility.
The quality of the workmanship you have seen and will see in the future
should be a seamless transition. Please give him more time before laying judgment
on him. He finally realizes there is more need than he can currently provide
in a timely manner. William IS doing something about it. It takes time
to find the right person for the job to outsource a job. There is usually a
learning curve that goes along with it and only William can be the one to teach
the new supplier what is expected of him/her. Bill I am asking you to please
reserve your judgment of the way the Corvair
Authority has operated in the past. A new vision I believe has emerged here
and I can personally attest to it. I placed two orders with him in the last
2 weeks. I received a NOTICE that parts was being shipped on a certain day and
they did. BOTH of my orders was received in the exact same week it was ordered
in.
As for me, I just hope and pray William doesn't get too damned mad about folks
chastising or yelling at him about this or that. I hope the day never comes
that he tells all of us to go "pound sand and shove it" . I probably would have
a long, long time ago.
To WIlliam and Grace Ellen:
Thank you Grace Ellen and William for showing such kindness and caring about
us. Its time WE start to understand what YOU go through each and every day.....I
hope I've shed some new light on one of your oldest problems...
Regards
Larry Hursh
CH 601XL ((N601LL Reserved)
and "Newbie to Corvair Moement" (but more than willing to learn!)
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All-
Anyone have part numbers and source for wing tank fuel pump and
selector switch? I would prefer HD/HDS part specifications, but suppose
XL would work.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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Bill,
The part # for the ONE facet fuel pump that I received is 40105. I received
no switches, probably because I only got one pump (no need to switch). If I
needed to turn off the pump I could just yank out the wire..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
All-
Anyone have part numbers and source for wing tank fuel pump and selector
switch? I would prefer HD/HDS part specifications, but suppose XL would
work.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
My answer (worth exactly what I charged for it!) was based on the documented facts
that our rotor blades cool rapidly as soon as they start turning. If they
did not (and they have been instrumented to prove they do) the materials we engineered
them from would fail structurally very soon after loading. My error was
in making the assumption that the passing air would remove heat from the probe?
Dave, I don't understand why flying would influence a temperature probe. Probes
are not sensitive to "wind chill" or "heat index". They ARE influenced by direct
sunlight, which is why temps are always taken in the shade (if they are
to be accurate).
Jay in Dallas
David Downey
wrote:
>...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it would
take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more than a very
very small influence after the first several minutes of flight.
>
>
>Dave,
>
>If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not exposed
to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
>
>Jay in Dallas
>Do not archive
>
>
>David Downey
> wrote:
>
>>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight. In the
past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many aircraft stuck
right through the canopy bow.
>>
>>
>>I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the co-pilot's seat
just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out the sun (very important)
and away from the exhaust gas. It works very good.
>>Dave Nixon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168400#168400
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>> 100 HP Corvair
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
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Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
Doug
Now I see your problem more clearly. I have always planned on using ZAC's
1/4" i.d. rubber tubing (inside a fire sleeve) FWF. That would mate fine
with your fuel pump.
I doubt I can propose a better scheme than the one you suggested, but,
perhaps, other alternatives. I don't see any way to go from 3/8" aluminum
tubing to your 1/4" hose barb w/o using at least 3 AN fittings plus some
1/4" i.d. hose.
Assuming you bring 3/8" aluminum through the firewall (eyeball fitting or
bulkhead fitting), one alternative would be connect to an AN816-6-2D nipple
to a AN910-1D coupling to a AN840-4D hose nipple and then run 1/4" i.d.
rubber hose to the fuel pump.
One other thing I failed to mention in an earlier post. Bengelis recommends
5052 aluminum tubing fo fuel lines rather than 3003, so that's what I ordered.
One item still on my shopping list is a tube flaring tool for the 37 AN
flare fittings. They are $90 at Wicks. Summit racing has a 37 tool for
~$32. Harbor Freight has a flaring tool for ~$12, angle unknown. Does
anyone have experience with any of these? Or with a different satisfactory
tool for a reasonable price? Thanks for any suggestions you can give me.
Terry
At 11:43 AM 3/8/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>The Rotax/Piersburg fuel pump has essentially a 1/4"
>metal tube with a bulge crimped into the end of it for
>a rubber fuel line to go over and be held on with a
>hose clamp. The fittings are welded/crimped to the
>case of the pump and not changable. So I suppose the
>answer to your question would be, neither 1/4 NPT or
>1/4 AN.
>
>Fortunately, on the 701, we have gravity working for
>us. If this were a 601, I would definately be
>installing dual Facets mentioned in another post.
>
>Doug MacDonald
>CH-701 Scatch Builder
>NW Ontario, Canada
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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Gary-
At least you got one. I have an e-mail in to Zenith.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
Bill,
The part # for the ONE facet fuel pump that I received is 40105. I
received no switches, probably because I only got one pump (no need to
switch). If I needed to turn off the pump I could just yank out the
wire..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:25 PM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
All-
Anyone have part numbers and source for wing tank fuel pump and
selector switch? I would prefer HD/HDS part specifications, but suppose
XL would work.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Austin Meyer, the originator of the X-Plane flight simulator recently
published his thoughts on the economics of airplane hull insurance:
http://x-plane.com/adventures/37%20Follow_Up.html
Look about half-way down. Basically meyer says that self insurance makes
more sense than commercial hull insurance for most people. Well worth reading.
Terry
At 01:55 PM 3/8/2008 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 09:15:03AM -0800, Roger Lee wrote:
> > Avemco told me this year that rates were going up at least 10-25% across
> > the board with a lot of companies when you renewed because of too many
> > claims in the Sport Pilot category and the high pay outs. I guess they
> > aren't making enough profit at our expense. [Rolling Eyes]
>
>I haven't spoken to Avemco, but both Falcon and AOPA quoted me in the
>neighborhood of $3500 the first year for a 170 hour pilot with 10 hours dual
>in type.
>--
>Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
>http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
>Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
>AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (getting ready to order)
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 03:22:02PM -0700, Terry Phillips wrote:
> Austin Meyer, the originator of the X-Plane flight simulator recently
> published his thoughts on the economics of airplane hull insurance:
>
> http://x-plane.com/adventures/37%20Follow_Up.html
>
> Look about half-way down. Basically meyer says that self insurance makes
> more sense than commercial hull insurance for most people. Well worth
> reading.
He's right about the economics. Unfortunately, those of us who are financing
our purchases must carry insurance to satisfy the finance companies...
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (getting ready to order)
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I'm building an HDS with wing locker tanks. Like Gary, I received only one
fuel pump (Facet 40105) with my kit and no selector valve. I purchase 2
additional 40105's and have installed them in the center wing section close
to the fuel tank outlets. I then ran hoses into the fuselage and tee'd the
tanks together. From there I ran a line to the header tank. I know most of
you don't like header tanks, but this is my plan.
I have two switches, one for each pump. My plan is to use the locker tanks
to fill the header tank when needed. I turn on the right tank first and
then the left tank to fill the header. This way I can help to balance tha
plane right to left with fuel weight. The Facet's have a check valve on the
out, so I should be able to run one and the check valve on the other one
whould keep from only pumpling fuel from each locker tank.
Jerry
Chandler AZ
601 HDS 912
installing motor now
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
Bill,
The part # for the ONE facet fuel pump that I received is 40105. I received
no switches, probably because I only got one pump (no need to switch). If I
needed to turn off the pump I could just yank out the wire..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
All-
Anyone have part numbers and source for wing tank fuel pump and selector
switch? I would prefer HD/HDS part specifications, but suppose XL would
work.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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My (unfinished) HD is plumbed the same way. I have a gauge for each
wing tank and indicator lights for each wing tank pump.
George Swinford
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Latimer
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
I'm building an HDS with wing locker tanks. Like Gary, I received
only one fuel pump (Facet 40105) with my kit and no selector valve. I
purchase 2 additional 40105's and have installed them in the center wing
section close to the fuel tank outlets. I then ran hoses into the
fuselage and tee'd the tanks together. From there I ran a line to the
header tank. I know most of you don't like header tanks, but this is my
plan.
I have two switches, one for each pump. My plan is to use the locker
tanks to fill the header tank when needed. I turn on the right tank
first and then the left tank to fill the header. This way I can help to
balance tha plane right to left with fuel weight. The Facet's have a
check valve on the out, so I should be able to run one and the check
valve on the other one whould keep from only pumpling fuel from each
locker tank.
Jerry
Chandler AZ
601 HDS 912
installing motor now
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:54 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
Bill,
The part # for the ONE facet fuel pump that I received is 40105. I
received no switches, probably because I only got one pump (no need to
switch). If I needed to turn off the pump I could just yank out the
wire..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:25 PM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
All-
Anyone have part numbers and source for wing tank fuel pump and
selector switch? I would prefer HD/HDS part specifications, but suppose
XL would work.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: NASON Oil Presssure Switch |
SM-2C-20F
That is the part number from the WW Corvair Installation manual.
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Certainly an interesting piece. I read it with some care, waiting for his discussion
about liability; it never came. My presumption is that the best possible
case is never seeing a penny of payout from an insurance company. That would
mean you have not had an accident; more importantly, you have not had a judgment
leveled against you. I cannot imagine flying "naked" where an accident in which
I caused harm to another could wipe out everything my wife and I have built.
Elden J
xl/3300
Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
Austin Meyer, the originator of the X-Plane flight simulator recently
published his thoughts on the economics of airplane hull insurance:
http://x-plane.com/adventures/37%20Follow_Up.html
Look about half-way down. Basically meyer says that self insurance makes
more sense than commercial hull insurance for most people. Well worth reading.
Terry
At 01:55 PM 3/8/2008 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 09:15:03AM -0800, Roger Lee wrote:
> > Avemco told me this year that rates were going up at least 10-25% across
> > the board with a lot of companies when you renewed because of too many
> > claims in the Sport Pilot category and the high pay outs. I guess they
> > aren't making enough profit at our expense. [Rolling Eyes]
>
>I haven't spoken to Avemco, but both Falcon and AOPA quoted me in the
>neighborhood of $3500 the first year for a 170 hour pilot with 10 hours dual
>in type.
>--
>Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
>http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
>Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
>AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (getting ready to order)
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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Bill:
I did mine a little different than most and it works very well. I use two pumps
- one near each tank and two gauges with little green lights below them to indicate
which pump is pumping. I use an on-on switch so one pump must be on all
the time. I use a FAcet Purolator Posi-Flo pump which is an upgrade from what
ZAC supplies I believe. Here's some info.
http://www.facet-purolator.com/mcl/media/technology/hd_pdfs/Posi-Flo_sheet.pdf
You can see my sideways switch and two gauges and little green lights just above
the red BRS handle in this picture:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_5_06_Panel.JPG
The pumps are pretty quiet when they are pumping fuel but when they run out, they
get really loud.
Scott Laughlin
60XL Finished and Flying
I did an hour of flying today in really windy conditions
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
I have the AS&S economy flaring tool for AN fitting
(37 Deg). I have no idea how it will work out since I
haven't tried and falring yet.
It is likely the same on as Wicks is selling.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Bulder
NW Ontario, Canada
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> One item still on my shopping list is a tube flaring
> tool for the 37 AN
> flare fittings. They are $90 at Wicks. Summit racing
> has a 37 tool for
> ~$32. Harbor Freight has a flaring tool for ~$12,
> angle unknown. Does
> anyone have experience with any of these? Or with a
> different satisfactory
> tool for a reasonable price? Thanks for any
> suggestions you can give me.
>
> Terry
>
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
I believe he said he did not carry HULL insurance. He made no mention of going
naked. Just if the plane needs to be repaired it's his risk not the insurance
companies.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Ouch!
This is a part of the insurance problem that Meyer doesn't mention and I
overlooked. My mortgage company, of course, requires homeowners insurance
on my house. I'd probably carry it anyway. Just couldn't afford to take the
chance that house would burn down. But in 35 years of home ownership, I
don't think I've collected more than 3 or 4 thousand in claims. I see that
I'm lucky that I am not financing the airplane.
Terry
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At 04:44 PM 3/8/2008 -0600, you wrote:
>He's right about the economics. Unfortunately, those of us who are financing
>our purchases must carry insurance to satisfy the finance companies...
>--
>Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
>http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
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Hey Scott
I liked your toggle switch guard on the pump switch. Nice touch. I was
considering the same thing for my pump switch. Are those the ones that
Perihelion Design sells? Do you think they are worthwhile? The pump switch
seems like an appropriate place to use them.
Terry
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At 06:10 PM 3/8/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>Bill:
>
>I did mine a little different than most and it works very well. I use two
>pumps - one near each tank and two gauges with little green lights below
>them to indicate which pump is pumping. I use an on-on switch so one pump
>must be on all the time. I use a FAcet Purolator Posi-Flo pump which is
>an upgrade from what ZAC supplies I believe. Here's some info.
>
>http://www.facet-purolator.com/mcl/media/technology/hd_pdfs/Posi-Flo_sheet.pdf
>
>You can see my sideways switch and two gauges and little green lights just
>above the red BRS handle in this picture:
>
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_5_06_Panel.JPG
>
>The pumps are pretty quiet when they are pumping fuel but when they run
>out, they get really loud.
>
>Scott Laughlin
>60XL Finished and Flying
>I did an hour of flying today in really windy conditions
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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