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1. 06:50 AM - Re: Pump+Switch (Bill Naumuk)
2. 07:24 AM - Re: Pump+Switch (cookwithgas)
3. 08:28 AM - Re: Pump+Switch (Jerry Latimer)
4. 08:40 AM - Header Tank (James Sagerser)
5. 09:39 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot ()
6. 10:41 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 11:10 AM - Accident (Joe Scheibinger)
8. 11:44 AM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (ella)
9. 12:19 PM - Rudder kit on the way!!! (Andrew Lieser)
10. 12:39 PM - Fuel thread sealant (Maarten Versteeg)
11. 01:58 PM - Re: Accident (ashontz)
12. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Robin Bellach)
13. 03:51 PM - Re: Rudder kit on the way!!! (Larry H)
14. 03:51 PM - Re: Fuel thread sealant (Bryan Martin)
15. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Jaybannist@cs.com)
16. 04:10 PM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Larry H)
17. 04:10 PM - Re: Rudder kit on the way!!! (Ron Lendon)
18. 04:11 PM - Re: Zenith Response time (Paul Riedlinger)
19. 04:14 PM - Re: Fuel thread sealant (Ron Lendon)
20. 04:24 PM - Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot (Craig Payne)
21. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Robin Bellach)
22. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Ronald Steele)
23. 05:08 PM - Corvair core for sale (John Lifer Jr)
24. 05:19 PM - Re: Fuel thread sealant (Jeff)
25. 05:48 PM - Fish Eyes..... (steve)
26. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Accident (Kevin Bonds)
27. 07:15 PM - Re: Rudder kit on the way!!! (JohnDRead@aol.com)
28. 07:20 PM - Re: Fish Eyes..... (Ron Lendon)
29. 07:52 PM - Sun n Fun (george may)
30. 08:06 PM - Re: Fish Eyes..... (ROBERT SCEPPA)
31. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor (Jeyoung65@AOL.COM)
32. 08:29 PM - Fuel thread sealant (THOMAS SMALL)
33. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Fish Eyes..... (steve)
34. 08:33 PM - Re: Fish Eyes..... (LRM)
35. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Fish Eyes..... (steve)
36. 09:42 PM - Fish Eyes (gary@telleenpiano.com)
37. 09:46 PM - Re: Zenith Response time (n801bh@netzero.com)
38. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Fish Eyes..... (n801bh@netzero.com)
39. 10:07 PM - CH640 Performance Numbers (seattle)
40. 10:18 PM - Re: Re: Fish Eyes..... (JG)
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Jerry-
You lost me when you said you purchased 2 additional pumps. Does
that mean that you're using 3 pumps? I too am using the small 8 gal
header tank and that puzzles me. There's an outlet at the bottom but no
inlet fittings, and a small tube at the top I assume is a vent. Did you
have to mount your own inlet fittings?
Also, there's a huge difference in available selector valves, the
generic ACS for about $40 or the name brand for over $200. There's a
disclaimer saying the generic valve isn't FAA approved, but I find it
hard to believe ACS would sell anything unsafe. Which are you using?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Latimer
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
I'm building an HDS with wing locker tanks. Like Gary, I received
only one fuel pump (Facet 40105) with my kit and no selector valve. I
purchase 2 additional 40105's and have installed them in the center wing
section close to the fuel tank outlets. I then ran hoses into the
fuselage and tee'd the tanks together. From there I ran a line to the
header tank. I know most of you don't like header tanks, but this is my
plan.
I have two switches, one for each pump. My plan is to use the locker
tanks to fill the header tank when needed. I turn on the right tank
first and then the left tank to fill the header. This way I can help to
balance tha plane right to left with fuel weight. The Facet's have a
check valve on the out, so I should be able to run one and the check
valve on the other one whould keep from only pumpling fuel from each
locker tank.
Jerry
Chandler AZ
601 HDS 912
installing motor now
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:54 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
Bill,
The part # for the ONE facet fuel pump that I received is 40105. I
received no switches, probably because I only got one pump (no need to
switch). If I needed to turn off the pump I could just yank out the
wire..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:25 PM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
All-
Anyone have part numbers and source for wing tank fuel pump and
selector switch? I would prefer HD/HDS part specifications, but suppose
XL would work.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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Terry:
Yes, they are the space shuttle switch guards from Periheliondesign.com and are
really nice. Light weight and well made.
Scott Laughlin
601XL Finished & Flying
www.cooknwithgas.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168568#168568
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Sorry about the confusion.
I am using 3 pumps. One pump that goes from the header tank to the engine.
And two pumps in the center wing section. These 2 pumps will be used as
transfer pumps. They will be used to transfer fuel from the locker to the
header tank. I also have an 8 gallon header tank. My header tank has 2
welded fittings at the top, and two on the bottom. I will use one of the
top fittings as an inlet for the transferred fuel. The other one is suppose
to be used for the old style Zenith fuel sight glass fuel gauge. The center
bottom fitting will go through a shutoff valve, then gasolator, then
electric fuel pump, and then to the Rotax mechanical fuel pump. The second
bottom fitting is suppose to be used as the second fitting required to make
the sight glass fuel gauge. In other words you hook some transparent tubing
between one of the top fittings and the bottom side fitting and this becomes
the fuel gauge.
Hope this helps
Jerry
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pump+Switch
Jerry-
You lost me when you said you purchased 2 additional pumps. Does that
mean that you're using 3 pumps? I too am using the small 8 gal header tank
and that puzzles me. There's an outlet at the bottom but no inlet fittings,
and a small tube at the top I assume is a vent. Did you have to mount your
own inlet fittings?
Also, there's a huge difference in available selector valves, the
generic ACS for about $40 or the name brand for over $200. There's a
disclaimer saying the generic valve isn't FAA approved, but I find it hard
to believe ACS would sell anything unsafe. Which are you using?
Bill
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Does anyone have a small header tank they aren't using and willing to sell.
Please contact me off line. Thank you Jim
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
AMEN! Read and understand, Grasshopper. Airspeed is your friend.
=0A Altitud
e is your friend. =0A
The FAA isn't.=0A=0AAfter a legitimate problem
(Angioplasty and stent in Dec 2001), I recovered nicely and the FAA s
tarted giving me special issuances. OK, no problem proving I was fit t
o fly. Until the fourth, when they arbitrarily denied it. No negative
change in condition, just a quick "no". I submitted an appeal containi
ng 14 attachments, beating them over the head with their own records.
Used their own words, which, on a special issuance refer to not violat
ing the rules, and not having significant adverse changes, and satisfy
ing them that public sfaety is not endangered, blah, blah. After a whi
le they sent me my LAST special issuance. No explanation of why the de
nial, just the routine paperwork. One of our local EAA members lost h
is physical without even a reason. He fought that one, and won. Again,
no explanation. So some of us old heads have merely learned what you
may learn in the future.=0A Yes, you can have a heart attack, lo
se one eye, both ears, and half your innards, and, if you've never bus
ted a physical, or even taken one, become a Sport Pilot. Them's the ru
les. But I'd give odds that the accident surge is coming from low time
SP's in SLA's, and all they need to do is get more time and experienc
e, and they can fit right in with the rest of GA as far as an accident
rate goes. It's like the thing about old pilots and bold pilots. Whe
n I was in USAF pilot school (washed out eventually) a couple of gener
ations ago, my instuctor converted me to his religion-----Devout Cowar
dice. Orthodox branch. It seems to have worked.=0A=0APaul Rodrig
uez=0ACAC (Certified Aerial Coward)=0A ----- Original Mes
sage ----- =0A From: Jaybannist@cs.com<mailto:Jaybannist@cs.com>
=0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com
> =0A Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:23 AM=0A Subject: Re:
Zenith-List: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot=0A=0A
nnist@cs.com>=0A=0A Larry,=0A=0A The problem a lot of us
older guys have is that we have stuff in the distant past that the FA
A medical "Head Water Moccasin" can use to deny a medical, despite hav
ing passed an exam. I know that because it happened to me. He doesn't
have to have a reason. That is his prerogative. In my case he didn't
actually deny my medical. He just said that, in his opinion, I was n
ot fit to fly; but just to show what a great guy I am, I'm going to gr
ant you a "special issuance", good for six years. That still required
a medical exam every two years, two of which I passed. When it came
time for the third exam, I decided not to chance being denied a medica
l for no reason. So it is not always to "avoid an annoyance or to conc
eal a medical problem". =0A=0A Jay in Dallas=0A=0A Lar
ryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com<mailto:larry@macsmachine.com>> wrot
rry@macsmachine.com<mailto:larry@macsmachine.com>>=0A >=0A >Hi
Kelly,=0A >The Sport Pilot allows that a person can drop the medi
cal as an =0A >annoyance or conceal medical problems from the insu
rer.=0A >That's probably the short answer and that they don't want
to assume more =0A >risk without compensation. It's also a great
way=0A >for them to increase their profitability knowing the actu
al risks involved.=0A >I'm really not surprised and will continue
to get the medical so long as =0A >I'm able.=0A >=0A >Larr
y McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com<http://www.macsmachine.com/>
=0A >=0A >=0A >Kelly Meiste wrote:=0A >> The yearly re
newal of my 601 HD insurance is now due and was stunned =0A >> to
see my insurance premium jump over 30% this year.=0A >> =0A >
> When I asked my agent from SkySmith (underwriter is AIG) why my rate
=0A >> climbed so much for this year I was shocked to hear their
answer. =0A >> I've just converted over to flying as a Sport Pilo
t with my HD and =0A >> they tell me THAT is the reason my rates s
kyrocketed (see they =0A >> explanation below).=0A >> =0A
>> " I have been unable to receive a quote from any other companies a
s =0A >> they will not provide coverage to pilots=0A >> flying
in the Sport Category."=0A >> =0A >> Apparently no one wants
to insure Sport Pilots, and those that will =0A >> see a huge pro
fit to be made with this new classification. =0A >> Has anyone els
e found this to be the case, and if so has anyone found =0A >> a r
easonable Sport Pilot friendly company to insure with?=0A >>
=0A >> Kelly Meiste=0A >> 601 HD=0A >> *=0A >> *=0A >
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Hi Paul,
I think (and hope) you are mistaken about Sport Pilots having high
accident rates because of low experience. Remember, we all had that
same level of experience at one point and most of us managed to be
careful enough to gain more experience.
I agree with your statement about cowardice. I always used to refer
to the "4 inch wide yellow streak down the middle of my back" for my
continued existence while flying small planes.
I hope the accident statistics for Sport Pilots is good enough to get
the FAA to drop the 3rd class medical altogether. I believe this is
possible if: Sport Pilots don't have a great accident rate; any
accidents they do have can be explained by poor pilot skills rather
than poor health; and (shoot me if you must} Republicans take over
Congress again. This combination may never happen in my lifetime,
but I think it is inevitable eventually. After all, there has never
been any proof that medical exams help aviation safety one
iota. Indeed, we still have airline captains dropping dead in the
cockpit with their platinum plated first class medical certificate in
their pocket.
We all need to exercise a reasonable amount of cowardice about our
condition for flying and many other things. The whole medical
certificate program is based on the assumption that a bureaucracy can
make better decisions about aviation safety than trained pilots
can. This is a notion that only Democrats could agree with (oops,
there I go again getting political). Even I wouldn't push for
elimination of medical certificates for commercial pilots, but I
believe the risks taken by any voluntary passenger in a plane piloted
by a Private Pilot or Sport Pilot far outweigh the risks of flying
with a pilot with an expired medical certificate. After all, the
NTSB nearly always blames accidents on pilot error, and I have never
read a report blaming the pilot's medical history.
Paul
XL fuselage
definitely do not archive
>. But I'd give odds that the accident surge is coming from low time
>SP's in SLA's, and all they need to do is get more time and
>experience, and they can fit right in with the rest of GA as far as
>an accident rate goes.
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Looks like we may have a 601XL accident in Austrailia. Here is the link. I
received it from a friend of mine that lives there who knew th pilot. I
requested more information from him and as soon as I get it I will forward
it to the group. The news media is calling it a wing failure and names the
pilot and passenger in the video story. Over 20 wittnesses saw it go down
and they refered to it as a stunt plane in one story, an ultralight in
another. My friend confirms to me that it was a 601 XL. Looks like it
happened near a popular beach, with debris on both land and water. My
condolenses to family and friends. If I get anything else I will let you
know.
http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2008/03/07/8571_gold-coast-top-story.html
Joe in Oshkosh
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
I agree 100% I sold my Cessna 172 and purchased A Champ 7AC so I would be
in Sport Pilot Cat. It appears to me the FAA is not interested in safety
only the beaurocracy because I will be more likley to wreck the Champ than
the 172
Just my .02 worth
Don [just starting a 601xl]----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I think (and hope) you are mistaken about Sport Pilots having high
> accident rates because of low experience. Remember, we all had that same
> level of experience at one point and most of us managed to be careful
> enough to gain more experience.
>
> I agree with your statement about cowardice. I always used to refer to
> the "4 inch wide yellow streak down the middle of my back" for my
> continued existence while flying small planes.
>
> I hope the accident statistics for Sport Pilots is good enough to get the
> FAA to drop the 3rd class medical altogether. I believe this is possible
> if: Sport Pilots don't have a great accident rate; any accidents they do
> have can be explained by poor pilot skills rather than poor health; and
> (shoot me if you must} Republicans take over Congress again. This
> combination may never happen in my lifetime, but I think it is inevitable
> eventually. After all, there has never been any proof that medical exams
> help aviation safety one iota. Indeed, we still have airline captains
> dropping dead in the cockpit with their platinum plated first class
> medical certificate in their pocket.
>
> We all need to exercise a reasonable amount of cowardice about our
> condition for flying and many other things. The whole medical certificate
> program is based on the assumption that a bureaucracy can make better
> decisions about aviation safety than trained pilots can. This is a notion
> that only Democrats could agree with (oops, there I go again getting
> political). Even I wouldn't push for elimination of medical certificates
> for commercial pilots, but I believe the risks taken by any voluntary
> passenger in a plane piloted by a Private Pilot or Sport Pilot far
> outweigh the risks of flying with a pilot with an expired medical
> certificate. After all, the NTSB nearly always blames accidents on pilot
> error, and I have never read a report blaming the pilot's medical history.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> definitely do not archive
>
>
>>. But I'd give odds that the accident surge is coming from low time SP's
>>in SLA's, and all they need to do is get more time and experience, and
>>they can fit right in with the rest of GA as far as an accident rate goes.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder kit on the way!!! |
Hello everyone! I have been lurking on this list for a while and finally
pulled the trigger. I ordered my Zodiac xl rudder kit early last week and
am preparing my workshop for its arrival. This forum seems to be teeming
with very helpful builders and information and I look forward to being an
active member once my kit gets here. I've posted the link to my website for
building this aircraft if anyone is interested
http://websites.expercraft.com/andrewlieser/
I was also wondering if there are any XL builders in the chicagoland area?
I live in the west suburbs and was just curios.
Talk to you all soon,
Andrew Lieser
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| Subject: | Fuel thread sealant |
Hallo All,
I am reaching the point where I need to install the fuel tank
and accessories. What did you all use as thread sealant for
the pipe thread of the drain, finger screen and nipple
coupler?
I looked in the mailing list archives and saw a discussion
around 2005, that mentioned that use of sealube or permatex
was suggested in the Zenith manual but I can't find anything.
I got another advice to use DOW 730 sealant from ACS or Wicks
but this is a pricey sealant at $94. Any suggestions here?
Maarten, San Antonio
601xl plans building wings.
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Thanks.
Thoe extra wings ribs are looking better and better all the time.
backstagelive(at)gmail.co wrote:
> Looks like we may have a 601XL accident in Austrailia. Here is the link. I
> received it from a friend of mine that lives there who knew th pilot. I
> requested more information from him and as soon as I get it I will forward
> it to the group. The news media is calling it a wing failure and names the
> pilot and passenger in the video story. Over 20 wittnesses saw it go down
> and they refered to it as a stunt plane in one story, an ultralight in
> another. My friend confirms to me that it was a 601 XL. Looks like it
> happened near a popular beach, with debris on both land and water. My
> condolenses to family and friends. If I get anything else I will let you
> know.
>
> http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2008/03/07/8571_gold-coast-top-story.html
>
> Joe in Oshkosh
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168625#168625
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
What does it read in the sun in a 100mph airstream?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor
>
> Out of curiosity, I just took my electronic temp probe out into the
> sunlight. In the shade it read 45.3 degF; in the sun, 73.9 degF after
> about 4 minutes.
>
> Jay in Dallas
> do not archive
>
>
> David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it
>>would take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more
>>than a very very small influence after the first several minutes of
>>flight.
>>
>>Jaybannist@cs.com
>>
>>Dave,
>>
>>If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not
>>exposed to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
>>
>>Jay in Dallas
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
>>David Downey
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight.
>>>In the past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many
>>>aircraft stuck right through the canopy bow.
>>>
>>>
>>>I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the
>>>co-pilot's seat just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out
>>>the sun (very important) and away from the exhaust gas. It works very
>>>good.
>>>Dave Nixon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168400#168400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Downey
>>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>>> 100 HP Corvair
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>> 100 HP Corvair
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder kit on the way!!! |
Hi Andrew,
Congratulations on taking the plunge! You will have a lot of fun starting your
very own airplane that YOU BUILT! I started my Zodiac XL about 4 months ago.
My problem hasn't been the building time, its been the WAITING TIME for my
shipments to arrive. If you are serious about getting a good start with this
and not have to wait between kits, I would suggest you order the tail section
as soon as you can. It will take at least 5 or 6 weeks for that to arrive (if
not longer now - we are in the building season remember). Just to give you
some idea, I ordered my wing kits and accessories on 12-4. Zenith is giving
me a targeted ship date of the 1st or 2nd week in May. I asked what the lead
time was for the fuselage kit. Shirley told me it was running about 14-16 weeks
out now. When my wing kit arrives, I will immediately place the order for
the fuselage and remainder of the airplane. I want to be able to fly this plane
sometime before I die of old age!! LOL. Just
a heads up so you won't have to wait too.
Hope this helps everyone else out considering ordering any kits.
Regards and happy building Andrew!
Larry Hursh
CH601XL (N601LL Reserved)
Rudder kit done, Horizontal Stab Done, building Elevator now
Working on Corvair Conversion also.
Andrew Lieser <andrewlieser@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone! I have been lurking on this list for a while and finally
pulled the trigger. I ordered my Zodiac xl rudder kit early last week and
am preparing my workshop for its arrival. This forum seems to be teeming
with very helpful builders and information and I look forward to being an
active member once my kit gets here. I've posted the link to my website for
building this aircraft if anyone is interested
http://websites.expercraft.com/andrewlieser/
I was also wondering if there are any XL builders in the chicagoland area?
I live in the west suburbs and was just curios.
Talk to you all soon,
Andrew Lieser
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel thread sealant |
Use anything that will tolerate gasoline and stay pliable enough to
allow the fittings to be removed later. Teflon tape isn't recommended
because when you remove and reinstall fittings, you end up with
slivers of teflon in the treads that are very difficult to remove and
may clog up things downstream. You may be able to find a suitable
sealant at your local auto parts store. Aircraft Spruce also sells
Bakerseal at $6.30 for 8 ounces, this is inexpensive and should work
as well as anything. These are tapered pipe fittings, they shouldn't
need much in the way of sealant, one main purpose of the sealant is to
prevent the threads from seizing up over time.
On Mar 9, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Maarten Versteeg wrote:
> >
>
> Hallo All,
>
> I am reaching the point where I need to install the fuel tank
> and accessories. What did you all use as thread sealant for
> the pipe thread of the drain, finger screen and nipple
> coupler?
> I looked in the mailing list archives and saw a discussion
> around 2005, that mentioned that use of sealube or permatex
> was suggested in the Zenith manual but I can't find anything.
> I got another advice to use DOW 730 sealant from ACS or Wicks
> but this is a pricey sealant at $94. Any suggestions here?
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
I can't answer that 'cause I don't have a 100 mph airstream in my back yard. An
aircraft's temperature probe, sitting on the ramp, is not in a 100 mph airstream,
either. Wouldn't you like an accurate temperature reading on the ground
BEFORE charging off into a high density situation?
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
"Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
>
>What does it read in the sun in a 100mph airstream?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:36 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor
>
>
>>
>> Out of curiosity, I just took my electronic temp probe out into the
>> sunlight. In the shade it read 45.3 degF; in the sun, 73.9 degF after
>> about 4 minutes.
>>
>> Jay in Dallas
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it
>>>would take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more
>>>than a very very small influence after the first several minutes of
>>>flight.
>>>
>>>Jaybannist@cs.com
>>>
>>>Dave,
>>>
>>>If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was not
>>>exposed to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
>>>
>>>Jay in Dallas
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>David Downey
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight.
>>>>In the past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on many
>>>>aircraft stuck right through the canopy bow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the
>>>>co-pilot's seat just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it out
>>>>the sun (very important) and away from the exhaust gas. It works very
>>>>good.
>>>>Dave Nixon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168400#168400
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave Downey
>>>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>>>> 100 HP Corvair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>---------------------------------
>>>>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try
>>>>it now.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Downey
>>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>>> 100 HP Corvair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------
>>>Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
My CFI told me that he feels the newer Sport Pilot is LESS likely to have an accident
because he/she is more aware of the inherit dangers involved with flying.
He said they pay closer attention to detail and actually USE the checklists.
He went on to say that it seems once a pilot gets over 100 hours or so, they
become "comfortable" with flying and all that's involved and aren't paying
as close attention as they used to. Its those pilots that get into trouble.
He should know - he's also a Light Sport FAA Examiner and a Commercial Pilot.
Larry H
ella <rhodes1@copper.net> wrote:
I agree 100% I sold my Cessna 172 and purchased A Champ 7AC so I would be
in Sport Pilot Cat. It appears to me the FAA is not interested in safety
only the beaurocracy because I will be more likley to wreck the Champ than
the 172
Just my .02 worth
Don [just starting a 601xl]----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz"
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I think (and hope) you are mistaken about Sport Pilots having high
> accident rates because of low experience. Remember, we all had that same
> level of experience at one point and most of us managed to be careful
> enough to gain more experience.
>
> I agree with your statement about cowardice. I always used to refer to
> the "4 inch wide yellow streak down the middle of my back" for my
> continued existence while flying small planes.
>
> I hope the accident statistics for Sport Pilots is good enough to get the
> FAA to drop the 3rd class medical altogether. I believe this is possible
> if: Sport Pilots don't have a great accident rate; any accidents they do
> have can be explained by poor pilot skills rather than poor health; and
> (shoot me if you must} Republicans take over Congress again. This
> combination may never happen in my lifetime, but I think it is inevitable
> eventually. After all, there has never been any proof that medical exams
> help aviation safety one iota. Indeed, we still have airline captains
> dropping dead in the cockpit with their platinum plated first class
> medical certificate in their pocket.
>
> We all need to exercise a reasonable amount of cowardice about our
> condition for flying and many other things. The whole medical certificate
> program is based on the assumption that a bureaucracy can make better
> decisions about aviation safety than trained pilots can. This is a notion
> that only Democrats could agree with (oops, there I go again getting
> political). Even I wouldn't push for elimination of medical certificates
> for commercial pilots, but I believe the risks taken by any voluntary
> passenger in a plane piloted by a Private Pilot or Sport Pilot far
> outweigh the risks of flying with a pilot with an expired medical
> certificate. After all, the NTSB nearly always blames accidents on pilot
> error, and I have never read a report blaming the pilot's medical history.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> definitely do not archive
>
>
>>. But I'd give odds that the accident surge is coming from low time SP's
>>in SLA's, and all they need to do is get more time and experience, and
>>they can fit right in with the rest of GA as far as an accident rate goes.
>
>
>
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder kit on the way!!! |
Or you could try scratch building, at least the waiting time is productive. It
does take much longer though.
Welcome to the group.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168651#168651
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Response time |
Agreed. I have gotten all answers back in 12 hours or less. I have even
gotten emailed replies on Saturday and Sunday
I am sure I am very specific with my questions siting plan page number,
parts involved, etc. I include photo's if needed. Most importantly I put
my serial number in the message title.
Works for me.
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
wrote:
>
> Zen Guys:
>
> Larry said: "Whenever I send any email to Zenith, it usually takes
> them at least a week to answer it. If you want better service, I
> suggest you pick up the phone and give them a call. You'll have your
> answer much quicker that way."
>
> My experience is the opposite. Three times recently I have sent
> Emails to Zenair and have gotten answers within 12 hours on each
> occasion. Of course, I could be asking easier questions.
>
> Stan
> N701VG
>
>
--
Paul Riedlinger
cndmovn@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel thread sealant |
A CFII recommended this to me and that's what I am using.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/ezturnlube.php
Ez Turn Lubricant
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168653#168653
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| Subject: | A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot |
Let's not forget what a Sport Pilot is allowed to fly, when and where - slow
planes with a low stall speed in good daylight weather with the ground
visible. Since faster and trickier planes in more difficult conditions are
available to other types of pilots it would be logical to expect that
private pilots with the same number of hours are more likely to face greater
challenges than a Sport Pilot.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry H
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot
My CFI told me that he feels the newer Sport Pilot is LESS likely to have an
accident because he/she is more aware of the inherit dangers involved with
flying. He said they pay closer attention to detail and actually USE the
checklists. He went on to say that it seems once a pilot gets over 100
hours or so, they become "comfortable" with flying and all that's involved
and aren't paying as close attention as they used to. Its those pilots that
get into trouble. He should know - he's also a Light Sport FAA Examiner and
a Commercial Pilot.
Larry H
ella <rhodes1@copper.net> wrote:
I agree 100% I sold my Cessna 172 and purchased A Champ 7AC so I would be
in Sport Pilot Cat. It appears to me the FAA is not interested in safety
only the beaurocracy because I will be more likley to wreck the Champ than
the 172
Just my .02 worth
Don [just starting a 601xl]----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz"
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A/C Insurance when flying as Sport Pilot
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I think (and hope) you are mistaken about Sport Pilots having high
> accident rates because of low experience. Remember, we all had that same
> level of experience at one point and most of us managed to be careful
> enough to gain more experience.
>
> I agree with your statement about cowardice. I always used to refer to
> the "4 inch wide yellow streak down the middle of my back" for my
> continued existence while flying small planes.
>
> I hope the accident statistics for Sport Pilots is good enough to get the
> FAA to drop the 3rd class medical altogether. I believe this is possible
> if: Sport Pilots don't have a great accident rate; any accidents they do
> have can be explained by poor pilot skills rather than poor health; and
> (shoot me if you must} Republicans take over Congress again. This
> combination may never happen in my lifetime, but I think it is inevitable
> eventually. After all, there has never been any proof that medical exams
> help aviation safety one iota. Indeed, we still have airline captains
> dropping dead in the cockpit with their platinum plated first class
> medical certificate in their pocket.
>
> We all need to exercise a reasonable amount of cowardice about our
> condition for flying and many other things. The whole medical certificate
> program is based on the assumption that a bureaucracy can make better
> decisions about aviation safety than trained pilots can. This is a notion
> that only Democrats could agree with (oops, there I go again getting
> political). Even I wouldn't push for elimination of medical certificates
> for commercial pilots, but I believe the risks taken by any voluntary
> passenger in a plane piloted by a Private Pilot or Sport Pilot far
> outweigh the risks of flying with a pilot with an expired medical
> certificate. After all, the NTSB nearly always blames accidents on pilot
> error, and I have never read a report blaming the pilot's medical history.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> definitely do not archive
>
>
>>. But I'd give odds that the accident surge is coming from low time SP's
>>in SLA's, and all they need to do is get more time and experience, and
>>they can fit right in with the
_____
Be a better friend, newshound, and
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
Most certainly, and I'm planning to avoid a sunny location. I was just
curious about what effect the cooling airstream might have for in flight
readings if someone did do a sunny mount, and thought someone knowledgeable
might chime in. I would guess that the cooling airstream would for the most
part offset the sun heating, but was wondering if, as is frequently the
case, I'm guessing wrong.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor
>
> I can't answer that 'cause I don't have a 100 mph airstream in my back
> yard. An aircraft's temperature probe, sitting on the ramp, is not in a
> 100 mph airstream, either. Wouldn't you like an accurate temperature
> reading on the ground BEFORE charging off into a high density situation?
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
>
> "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>What does it read in the sun in a 100mph airstream?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:36 PM
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, I just took my electronic temp probe out into the
>>> sunlight. In the shade it read 45.3 degF; in the sun, 73.9 degF after
>>> about 4 minutes.
>>>
>>> Jay in Dallas
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying - and it
>>>>would take a very black probe and flying very near the sun to have more
>>>>than a very very small influence after the first several minutes of
>>>>flight.
>>>>
>>>>Jaybannist@cs.com
>>>>
>>>>Dave,
>>>>
>>>>If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe was
>>>>not
>>>>exposed to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not shielded.
>>>>
>>>>Jay in Dallas
>>>>Do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>David Downey
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in flight.
>>>>>In the past the probes were direct reading dial thermometers and on
>>>>>many
>>>>>aircraft stuck right through the canopy bow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the
>>>>>co-pilot's seat just aft of the main carry thru spar. This keeps it
>>>>>out
>>>>>the sun (very important) and away from the exhaust gas. It works very
>>>>>good.
>>>>>Dave Nixon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168400#168400
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Downey
>>>>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>>>>> 100 HP Corvair
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>---------------------------------
>>>>>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try
>>>>>it now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave Downey
>>>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>>>> 100 HP Corvair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>---------------------------------
>>>>Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
If you are sitting on hot pavement, seems to me the heat coming off
the pavement going to affect reading too. You could have a little
oven between the skin and the pavement. I'm not saying this is worse
than the sun, just that like everything else about flying, it's a
compromise.
Ron
On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Robin Bellach wrote:
> <601zv@ritternet.com>
>
> What does it read in the sun in a 100mph airstream?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon's OAT sensor
>
>
>>
>> Out of curiosity, I just took my electronic temp probe out into
>> the sunlight. In the shade it read 45.3 degF; in the sun, 73.9
>> degF after about 4 minutes.
>>
>> Jay in Dallas
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...could be - but the purpose is to give a reading while flying -
>>> and it would take a very black probe and flying very near the sun
>>> to have more than a very very small influence after the first
>>> several minutes of flight.
>>>
>>> Jaybannist@cs.com
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> If I'm not mistaken, those probes were shielded so that the probe
>>> was not exposed to direct sunlight. The Dynon probe is not
>>> shielded.
>>>
>>> Jay in Dallas
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> David Downey
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would have thought that the OAT was intended to read OAT - in
>>>> flight. In the past the probes were direct reading dial
>>>> thermometers and on many aircraft stuck right through the canopy
>>>> bow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I mounted mine in the fuselage bottom in the access hole of the
>>>> co-pilot's seat just aft of the main carry thru spar. This
>>>> keeps it out the sun (very important) and away from the exhaust
>>>> gas. It works very good.
>>>> Dave Nixon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168400#168400
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave Downey
>>>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>>>> 100 HP Corvair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
>>>> Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Downey
>>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>>> 100 HP Corvair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Corvair core for sale |
I've got a Corvair engine that I've decided to sell. Not going this route.
It's disassembled and cleaned. Good bit of cutting done per book which I'll
include. As it is in multiple pieces, I'd rather someone came by and picked
up, but I'll ship if you want me to. Email for pictures. With work I've
got in it, I'm asking $300. John in Clinton, MS.
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| Subject: | Fuel thread sealant |
I bought my Sealube from Aircraft Spruce. It was/is recommended and used by
Zenith.
Jeff Davidson
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Maarten
Versteeg
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel thread sealant
<maarten.versteeg@swri.org>
Hallo All,
I am reaching the point where I need to install the fuel tank
and accessories. What did you all use as thread sealant for
the pipe thread of the drain, finger screen and nipple
coupler?
I looked in the mailing list archives and saw a discussion
around 2005, that mentioned that use of sealube or permatex
was suggested in the Zenith manual but I can't find anything.
I got another advice to use DOW 730 sealant from ACS or Wicks
but this is a pricey sealant at $94. Any suggestions here?
Maarten, San Antonio
601xl plans building wings.
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I m still out here painting. What a project.....
So far I m into a $966 paint job and learning about why paint shops get
$ 6K plus to do it professionally.
My major problem is "fish eyes" in my base coats.
Yes, I cleaned the aluminum.
Yes, I used Alima Prep.
Yes, I used Alodine.
Yes, I used Epoxy Primer.
Yes, I bought the " How to paint your own airplane" book.
One item I m just now hearing about is Fish Eye Eliminator..
Do you builders/painters have experience with FEE..
My plan is to head out the the auto paint store in the morning and buy
this product.
I m using Sherwin Williams Acry Glo aircraft paint. Its a poly urethane
paint and I assume I can use the eliminator in this brand..
Help and thanks
Steve
601XL
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Andy,
Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Sounds more like there may have
been a problem with the canopy, if I had to guess--which we shouldn't. I
know an eyewitness stated that a wing /may/ have come off, but I doubt
many eyewitnesses would know a wing from a rudder or any other part in
that instance. Hopefully they will recover the plane. The wings could,
very well, still be intact. Sounds like the canopy will not be since
they found 3 pieces of it scattered on shore. The plane was supposed to
have gone-in 700 meters from shore.
Kevin Bonds
ashontz wrote:
>
> Thanks.
>
> Thoe extra wings ribs are looking better and better all the time.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder kit on the way!!! |
Hello Andrew:
Welcome to this happy band of builders. Did you consider participating in
Rudder Workshop at Zenith? It are well worth the time and you get to meet a
great group of people. Chicago to Mexico is not to bad a drive either that is
unless Mother Nature is having a snit!
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 3/9/2008 1:20:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
andrewlieser@gmail.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew Lieser <andrewlieser@gmail.com>
Hello everyone! I have been lurking on this list for a while and finally
pulled the trigger. I ordered my Zodiac xl rudder kit early last week and
am preparing my workshop for its arrival. This forum seems to be teeming
with very helpful builders and information and I look forward to being an
active member once my kit gets here. I've posted the link to my website for
building this aircraft if anyone is interested
http://websites.expercraft.com/andrewlieser/
I was also wondering if there are any XL builders in the chicagoland area?
I live in the west suburbs and was just curios.
Talk to you all soon,
Andrew Lieser
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Eyes..... |
One question. Are you using clean dry air?
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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Anyone flying their Zodiac to Sun n Fun from the Northeast?
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Eyes..... |
> I believe Roger Roy painted his craft with a low
> pressure system using Rustoleum. I thought it looked
> great and it wasn't expensive at all. Might go that
> route myself. Don't know exactly what he used for
> primer. I am using the self etch primer by Sherwin
> Williams, so far it sticks well. I first washed it
> with thinner, then used aluminum etch and then after
> rinsing with water, drying and spray painted.
--- steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> I m still out here painting. What a project.....
> So far I m into a $966 paint job and learning about
> why paint shops get $ 6K plus to do it
> professionally.
> My major problem is "fish eyes" in my base coats.
> Yes, I cleaned the aluminum.
> Yes, I used Alima Prep.
> Yes, I used Alodine.
> Yes, I used Epoxy Primer.
> Yes, I bought the " How to paint your own airplane"
> book.
>
> One item I m just now hearing about is Fish Eye
> Eliminator..
>
> Do you builders/painters have experience with FEE..
> My plan is to head out the the auto paint store in
> the morning and buy this product.
> I m using Sherwin Williams Acry Glo aircraft paint.
> Its a poly urethane paint and I assume I can use the
> eliminator in this brand..
>
> Help and thanks
> Steve
> 601XL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon's OAT sensor |
I think you are correct. The wind will transfer the heat from radiated heat
and bring your reading down to air temp. Jerry of Ga.DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 3/9/2008 7:35:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
601zv@ritternet.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Most certainly, and I'm planning to avoid a sunny location. I was just
curious about what effect the cooling airstream might have for in flight
readings if someone did do a sunny mount, and thought someone knowledgeable
might chime in. I would guess that the cooling airstream would for the most
part offset the sun heating, but was wondering if, as is frequently the
case, I'm guessing wrong.
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| Subject: | Fuel thread sealant |
> I am reaching the point where I need to install the fuel tank
> and accessories. What did you all use as thread sealant for
> the pipe thread of the drain, finger screen and nipple
> coupler?
Hi Maarten,
This topic arrives on a three or four month cycle and the answers are
always: SealLube, FuelLube (one of these two is now Bakers), or teflon
paste.
I always stay quiet on this (amazing thing for me!) because my
experience flies in the face of the list majority:
Use teflon tape.
Now here's the experience - but first a little history. Waaaaay back
when I was building and the list was younger, there was a crusty old
engineer, George Pinneo, who loved anything he could fabricate/purchase
out of stainless steel: stainless entry steps (which were way cool),
stainless fittings, even some stainless hardware. List members called
him "Mr. Stainless." He also was the only proponent of using teflon
tape on fittings. Since everyone else told George he was basically off
on this issue (one of George's favorite words - "...no issues.") I
decided that Fuel/SealLube was the way to go. But durn, the stuff came
in one pound cans and I wasn't planning on building that many airplanes.
An inquiry to the friendly local A&P got me a couple of dabs of both in
two baby food jars.
Hint: your local A&P will do stuff like this, or loan you his flaring
tool, or loan you his tensionometer, or swage your control cables even
with the Kearny swager, for a little help around the shop and a pizza
now and then.
So all fuel fittings and brake fittings were done with one or the other
- keeping track of what went where.
ALL LEAKED within the first 80 hours, every one of them. AN into the
old aluminum gascolator that ZAC used to provide - leaked. Brass NPT
into tanks for sumps - leaked. AN onto brass ends of ballcock valves
used to control left/right tanks use - leaked. Fittings into Facet
pumps - leaked. Fittings into ACS gascolator on firewall - leaked.
Brake fittings - leaked.
However, none of the flared fittings leaked.
Now it's beginning to sound like I don't know how much to tighten
fittings, which could well be true. Snug and then a bit more was the
basic mantra, but you would think that one or two would hold. When a
few of the accessible fittings were tightened a bit more, the leaks
continued. I began calling the stuff FuelLeak. I used Permatex 14A
Teflon Paste Sealant on the brake line fittings - leaked.
One by one the fitting were taken apart and the residue of the
"whatever" was cleaned off. This is no easy task. The stuff gels to
various sticky lumps (very small) and reusing the fittings without
thorough cleaning would be asking for trouble. The "...don't reuse
after teflon tape" warnings have nothing on what you will find when you
take a SealLubed fitting apart. And ask yourself - will you normally
take apart a fitting for any other reason than it leaks???
I followed George's advice and used tape, but adhered to all the
caveats, especially the one about starting the tape a couple of threads
back from the end of the fitting. All have held since, and the bird
ticked over 315 hours last week. Maybe I torqued 'em a bit more or
maybe teflon tape works better; all I can say is that it's nice not to
have to stand on my head and swap out fittings at the bottom of a header
tank more than once. No teflon flecks or threads have shown up in the
gascolator screen.
So Maarten, you still have a decision to make and everyone else will
tell you to use one of the "Lubes" or teflon paste. However, it didn't
work out here in central Pennsylvania.
Check your six...Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Eyes..... |
I have an oil water seperator ( filter ) at the spray gun...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fish Eyes.....
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> One question. Are you using clean dry air?
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> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Eyes..... |
Fish eyes are caused by some type of oil still on or in the surface to
be painted. There are several things that can cause it. The most over
looked are hands and soap. If you use a soap of any kind to sand or
wash the surface with, that could be the problem. I always use a dish
detergent to wash down the surface before I start sanding and I use soap
with my water when sanding. Check what's in the soap. A lot of the
newer soaps have stuff in their products to make it easy on your hands,
that stuff is generally coconut oil. If your soap has oil in it and if
you sanded with it, what you have done is sand the oil into the surface.
If so, you have a major problem which generally can only be fixed with
fish eye additive or stripping down to bare metal and starting over.
Some people will tell you it's not good to use, it shortens the life of
your paint and it's sorta like cheating because you didn't do a good
prep job. I don't think so. I've been using it for years on every
paint job I've done, 100s. I have not seen a problem. It doesn't cost
much and could very well save you a lot of money and work. I do not
paint without it, it's insurance for a better job.
Your hands have oil in the skin and it will transfer to your surface
when touched. You should wear latex gloves as much as possible
It is also a good idea to use a pre-wash made especially for lifting
oils just prior to shooting. Any paint dealer has some brand of it.
Take care, LRM www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: steve
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fish Eyes.....
I m still out here painting. What a project.....
So far I m into a $966 paint job and learning about why paint shops
get $ 6K plus to do it professionally.
My major problem is "fish eyes" in my base coats.
Yes, I cleaned the aluminum.
Yes, I used Alima Prep.
Yes, I used Alodine.
Yes, I used Epoxy Primer.
Yes, I bought the " How to paint your own airplane" book.
One item I m just now hearing about is Fish Eye Eliminator..
Do you builders/painters have experience with FEE..
My plan is to head out the the auto paint store in the morning and buy
this product.
I m using Sherwin Williams Acry Glo aircraft paint. Its a poly
urethane paint and I assume I can use the eliminator in this brand..
Help and thanks
Steve
601XL
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Checked by AVG.
3/9/2008 12:17 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Eyes..... |
I forgot to say that I live in Arizona where the humidity is low. Todat
about 12%...
That, with the filter on my air supply should take care of any
contaminents.....
I ve been online reading about fish eye eliminator and how auto paint shops
use it....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fish Eyes.....
>
> I have an oil water seperator ( filter ) at the spray gun...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:16 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fish Eyes.....
>
>
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>> One question. Are you using clean dry air?
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>> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
>> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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Hi Steve,
Where in Arizona are you located? I am located in Queen Creek and own a
piano restoration shop where we do a lot of high end finish work. One
overlooked place for contamination is your spray gun itself. Not only do
you need perfectly clean, dry air and a clean surface on which you are
applying your finish but the inside of the gun and hoses must be clean.
Don't use any hoses or fittings that have been hooked up to a pre-oiler.
If your gun has ever had fish eye eliminator added to any material sprayed
through the gun you must always use the stuff for all paint jobs for the
rest of eternity as your gun in now contaminated. The eliminator is
actually a contaminate that helps to cover over another contaminate and
will screw up subsequent finishes in the gun unless you add it to every
paint batch. I have one gun that we use if we feel we have a need to use
eliminator. My good gun has never had the stuff in it and never will. My
advise is to use the eliminator as a last resort.
I have completed my rudder and will soon be ordering the tail kit. Let me
know if I can help you with your finish work in any way.
Gary T.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Response time |
I have had nothing but steller service from Zenith. In most cases I call
ed and had an answer with a few minutes. Emails took about a day to proc
ess. My favorite way was to email Nick or Roger a pic or two, then follo
w up with a call to them. There was not one issue they they/I couldn't r
esolve....
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Paul Riedlinger" <cndmovn@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. I have gotten all answers back in 12 hours or less. I have eve
n gotten emailed replies on Saturday and Sunday
I am sure I am very specific with my questions siting plan page number,
parts involved, etc. I include photo's if needed. Most importantly I p
ut my serial number in the message title.
Works for me.
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> w
rote:
Zen Guys:
Larry said: "Whenever I send any email to Zenith, it usually takes
them at least a week to answer it. If you want better service, I
suggest you pick up the phone and give them a call. You'll have your
answer much quicker that way."
My experience is the opposite. Three times recently I have sent
Emails to Zenair and have gotten answers within 12 hours on each
occasion. Of course, I could be asking easier questions.
Stan
N701VG
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Eyes..... |
In almost every case of fisheye I have seen it was caused by oil on the
surface to be painted. It will come from the your skin or various other
sources. Fisheye inhibitor is a bandaid and most of the time it will wor
k but will reduce the effectiveness of the paint.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
I forgot to say that I live in Arizona where the humidity is low. Todat
about 12%...
That, with the filter on my air supply should take care of any
contaminents.....
I ve been online reading about fish eye eliminator and how auto paint sh
ops
use it....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fish Eyes.....
et>
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> I have an oil water seperator ( filter ) at the spray gun...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:16 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fish Eyes.....
>
>
>>
>> One question. Are you using clean dry air?
>>
>> --------
>> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
>> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168684#168684
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| Subject: | CH640 Performance Numbers |
I'm new to the group here so hope this goes out correctly.
My understanding is that not too many CH640's have been completed as of yet. For
those builders who have..... Can you confirm that you are really seeing 150mph
TAS at gross with 180hp?
What kind of completion times are you all seeing on the quick build kit?
If you had it to do over again would you still build a CH640, what would you do
differently?
My wife and I are hoping to get started on a kit this summer. Thanks in advance
for your help.
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Eyes..... |
<Fisheye inhibitor is a bandaid and most of the time it will work but
will reduce the effectiveness of the paint.>
It also makes the paint develope runs quicker, so less margin for
error......
JG
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