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1. 03:39 AM - Re: It's official (David Downey)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: Pitot (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Recommended Wire Stripping Tool (Jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: It's official (jmaynard)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: It's official (Gig Giacona)
6. 06:33 AM - Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. (Gig Giacona)
7. 06:34 AM - Looking for plans (Adam V)
8. 07:15 AM - Re: It's official (jmaynard)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: Looking for plans (Jaybannist@cs.com)
10. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: It's official (Jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 07:44 AM - Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. (n85ae)
12. 07:53 AM - Re: Looking for plans (MHerder)
13. 08:06 AM - Re: 3-view, TD, pdf (dalemed)
14. 08:15 AM - Re: It's official (Gig Giacona)
15. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: It's official (ALAN BEYER)
16. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. (LRM)
17. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Looking for plans (Robert Taylor)
18. 08:45 AM - Re: It's official (jmaynard)
19. 08:48 AM - Re: Looking for plans (Gig Giacona)
20. 08:51 AM - Re: It's official (Gig Giacona)
21. 08:58 AM - Re: It's official (jmaynard)
22. 09:06 AM - newbie questions (David Stasch)
23. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: It's official (Craig Payne)
24. 09:32 AM - Re: newbie questions (Craig Payne)
25. 09:41 AM - Re: It's official (jmaynard)
26. 09:42 AM - Re: Looking for plans (Gary Ray)
27. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: canopy for 601XL? (Joe)
28. 09:50 AM - Re: Need a hole on plexiglass. (ashontz)
29. 09:56 AM - Re: Accidents (ashontz)
30. 10:33 AM - Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. (japhillipsga@aol.com)
31. 11:05 AM - Canopy (wade jones)
32. 11:14 AM - Re: Need a hole on plexiglass. (kmccune)
33. 11:26 AM - Re: Canopy (Gig Giacona)
34. 11:33 AM - Firewall angle (Jerry Hey)
35. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Accidents (David Downey)
36. 11:42 AM - Re: Firewall angle (DaveG601XL)
37. 11:49 AM - Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. (Bryan Martin)
38. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. (Bryan Martin)
39. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Firewall angle (Craig Payne)
40. 12:20 PM - Re: Canopy (LarryMcFarland)
41. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Recommended Wire Stripping Tool (Bryan Martin)
42. 12:45 PM - Re: Nose wheel info (Bryan Martin)
43. 12:49 PM - Great News! (Sabrina)
44. 12:55 PM - Re: Great News! (Gig Giacona)
45. 01:04 PM - weight and bal (Bill Flick)
46. 01:23 PM - Re: Great News! (jmaynard)
47. 01:24 PM - Re: Great News! (ella)
48. 01:27 PM - Re: newbie questions (Bryan Martin)
49. 01:28 PM - Re: Great News! (Sabrina)
50. 01:35 PM - Re: Great News! (David Downey)
51. 01:48 PM - Re: Canopy (David Brown)
52. 02:06 PM - Re: Great News! (Sabrina)
53. 02:14 PM - Re: Great News! (Paul Mulwitz)
54. 02:15 PM - Re: Great News! (MHerder)
55. 02:26 PM - Re: Great News! (Bryan Martin)
56. 02:34 PM - Re: Great News! (Sabrina)
57. 02:39 PM - Re: Need a hole on plexiglass. (ashontz)
58. 04:18 PM - Re: Great News! (steve)
59. 04:42 PM - Accident Hysteria (Dave Nixon)
60. 04:45 PM - Re: Great News! (Sabrina)
61. 05:17 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (Craig Payne)
62. 05:19 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (Southern Reflections)
63. 05:31 PM - 601HD TDO FOR SALE (Ralph Mirabal)
64. 05:40 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (Sabrina)
65. 05:46 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (Craig Payne)
66. 05:46 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (ernie)
67. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: Accident Hysteria (ernie)
68. 05:58 PM - Re: weight and bal (Bill Naumuk)
69. 06:00 PM - Zenith Rudder workshop - May 15/16 (Robert Percival)
70. 06:06 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (Sabrina)
71. 07:20 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (Southern Reflections)
72. 07:24 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (Southern Reflections)
73. 07:44 PM - CH701 Warpdrive (Graeme)
74. 08:20 PM - Re: weight and bal (LarryMcFarland)
75. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: Accident Hysteria (Jay Maynard)
76. 09:08 PM - Re: Re: Accident Hysteria (steve)
77. 09:16 PM - Re: Re: Looking for plans (JohnDRead@aol.com)
78. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: Accident Hysteria (Jay Maynard)
79. 10:31 PM - Re: Accident Hysteria (Sabrina)
80. 11:06 PM - True Idenity (steve)
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
actually, small spanwise bumps can have a beneficial effect - at the speeds this
plane plies I would not worry at all. Just make certain that the surfaces are
spotlessly clean and it is down well along the leading edge so that you do not
have lifting/peeling. Also, the transfer adhesive commonly used on vinyl graphics
is time sensitive as to attachment integrity; it flows to wet the surface
over a little while. It would be better if you did not apply and fly.
I sent in the deposit on my Zodiac XLi this morning. Now, I get to finish
the paint and interior designs, and wait impatiently for delivery.
The base paint design is on my LiveJournal, at
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com/328864.html . There's still more to be added
to it, in the form of vinyl graphics. Anyone know why green isn't a common
color for aircraft? Also, how much can I do on the wings? I assume that
full-span vinyl strips just behind the leading edge are a Bad Idea for
airflow, but I've seen some on aircraft before. I'm not looking to go hog
wild here, but I do want something.
It'll be one of the best-equipped Zodiacs AMD has built, and that's just the
way I want it. The aircraft will be more capable than me, so I can grow into
it.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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Hi Steve,
Yes, I ran two separate tubing lines to the instrument panel.
The static line needs to go to the altimeter and VSI as well as the
airspeed indicator. By placing the static port out on the wing, you
can get by with only one static line. If you use the other method of
putting it on the side of the fuselage, then it is best to have one
on each side so it isn't sensitive to slips and skids.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 08:41 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote:
>My QBK 601XL came with the pitot and static all in the one unit. I
>assume all 601s came that way. Question is , how did you run or
>hook up the static or did you at all??. I ve never used this type
>of hook up except on gliders. On my Avid Aerobat I had the side
>static air fitting in the fuselage side...
>Did you actually run two hoses into your fuselage to the airspeed ??
>
>Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Wire Stripping Tool |
Dave, I've used that tool very successfully on large cables. Jay in Dallas
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"Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Dave,
>
>Been thinking about the question and thought this tool from Radio Shak might do
the trick. Its part number is 278-248. It is made for coax cable but is has
adjustable blades and the orange thing rotates to accommodate different size
cable. You could disable one of the cutters and only set the other to cut most
of the way through. It won't do everything, once you get it setup you will
know it won't nick the wire.
>
>Pictures below
>
>--------
>Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
>Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170528#170528
>
>
>Attachments:
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>http://forums.matronics.com//files/rs_278_248_001_small_264.jpg
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>
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
lwinger wrote:
> Please be sure to post photos and performance data as you have it. It would
be really interesting to learn what a top-of-the-line 601XL comes with from the
factory, if you'd be willing to share.
You'd have to twist my arm to get me to not post pictures! :-) I do plan to have
a web page with all of the pictures I can think of taking.
My XLi will have all of the airframe options AMD offers except the BRS parachute,
the airbag seat belts, and the wing lockers (not because of structural concerns,
but because I just couldn't see any use for them). The stack will have a
GNS430W with CDI, an SL40, a GMA340, and a GTX330, and there'll also be a mount
and wiring for my GPS496. I'll also have a TruTrak Digiflight IIVSG autopilot,
and fuel flow sensors for the Dynon EMS. All of that is on top of the comprehensive
equipment package that's standard on the XLi. It's a very complete package,
and one that I'll enjoy flying.
--------
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
If it's not to late think about this as a reason for the wing lockers. Weight in
that position moves the CG a lot less than weight in the rear baggage area.
jmaynard wrote:
>
> lwinger wrote:
> > Please be sure to post photos and performance data as you have it. It would
be really interesting to learn what a top-of-the-line 601XL comes with from
the factory, if you'd be willing to share.
>
>
> You'd have to twist my arm to get me to not post pictures! :-) I do plan to have
a web page with all of the pictures I can think of taking.
>
> My XLi will have all of the airframe options AMD offers except the BRS parachute,
the airbag seat belts, and the wing lockers (not because of structural concerns,
but because I just couldn't see any use for them). The stack will have
a GNS430W with CDI, an SL40, a GMA340, and a GTX330, and there'll also be a mount
and wiring for my GPS496. I'll also have a TruTrak Digiflight IIVSG autopilot,
and fuel flow sensors for the Dynon EMS. All of that is on top of the comprehensive
equipment package that's standard on the XLi. It's a very complete
package, and one that I'll enjoy flying.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. |
Tell me about the brace.
bryanmmartin wrote:
> I used a fly cutter mounted in a brace. Make sure the canopy is warm,
> start on one side and finish off on the other and then smooth off any
> sharp edges.
>
>
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Looking for plans |
i'm looking for someone who is selling a set of plans for a zodiac 601 xl
Thanks
Adam
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Gig Giacona wrote:
> If it's not to late think about this as a reason for the wing lockers. Weight
in that position moves the CG a lot less than weight in the rear baggage area.
I don't doubt that...but the problem I have is that they're small enough that I
can't think of what I'd put in them. I'm also not completely sure they're weather-tight,
although it'd be kinda dumb for them not to be.
--------
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Looking for plans |
Adam, Zenith would be more than willing to sell you a brand new set. Give them
a call.
Jay in Dallas
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Adam V <vallierracing@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>i'm looking for someone who is selling a set of plans for a zodiac 601 xl
>
>Thanks
>Adam
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
And with all those Dzus fasteners, not really very handy.
Jay in Dallas
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"jmaynard" <jmaynard@conmicro.com> wrote:
>
>
>Gig Giacona wrote:
>> If it's not to late think about this as a reason for the wing lockers. Weight
in that position moves the CG a lot less than weight in the rear baggage area.
>
>
>I don't doubt that...but the problem I have is that they're small enough that
I can't think of what I'd put in them. I'm also not completely sure they're weather-tight,
although it'd be kinda dumb for them not to be.
>
>--------
>Jay Maynard, K5ZC
>AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
>(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170615#170615
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. |
You can also scribe a circle on the acrylic, and cut it out with a dremel
with some cutter wheels, and work to the edge with sanding drums. This
pretty much guarantees you won't get cracks. It's a pain in the butt, but
safer on a canopy than a flycutter. You can also make a circle in some
light aluminum, and masking tape it in place as a shield to protect the surrounding
plexi/lexan.
That's how I have done them. It's a lot safer than a flycutter. Also with
the sanding drums you can gradually work to the edge, and trial fit the
vents as you go which is pretty important since you don't want them to
be too loose.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for plans |
If you wish to simply view a set I'm sure a local builder would be more than willing.
Myself included if you are in the Dallas area, however I am sure that
you will not find any economy in simply buying a set of plans from someone else.
Remember this, you are not buying plans.... You are buying a serial # and support.
You will have questions through the build and the folks at Zenith are who
you want to talk to to get questions resolved. If you have no serial #, I wouldn't
blame them for not answering any questions. In all fairness why should
they. They are a company with a goal to make profit, not a charity. When you
are all said and done with, you will find the 400 or so dollars for the plans
isn't even a drop in the bucket.
--------
One Rivet at a Time!
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| Subject: | Re: 3-view, TD, pdf |
Be aware that the main gear isn't located properly in that drawing on the ch601.org
website. It should be located near the leading edge of the wing.
--------
Dale
Flying Cessna 170B
Building Zenith 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
True but better than duct-taping a couple of changes of clothes to the wing. :)
And I will figure out a better fastener sooner or later.
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Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> And with all those Dzus fasteners, not really very handy.
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
Jay,
I have an HDS with the wing lockers in and would not be without them. The wing
is a lot thicker than the XL wing, but I would still think about adding them
to your plane. I have flown from Oshkosh (Home) to SnF and out West a couple
of times with the lockers packed full of stuff as well as the rest of the plane.
They will leak a little if there is rain. I have small plastic storage buckets
that keeps stuff dry. They are good for tools, oil, parts, tie-downs, canopy
cover, cleaning stuff for the plane, tent,etc. It takes only a few seconds
to open the Dzus fasteners. They are very handy.
AL from Oshkosh
----- Original Message ----
From: "Jaybannist@cs.com" <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:31:35 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: It's official
And with all those Dzus fasteners, not really very handy.
Jay in Dallas
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"jmaynard" <jmaynard@conmicro.com> wrote:
>
>
>Gig Giacona wrote:
>> If it's not to late think about this as a reason for the wing lockers. Weight
in that position moves the CG a lot less than weight in the rear baggage area.
>
>
>I don't doubt that...but the problem I have is that they're small enough that
I can't think of what I'd put in them. I'm also not completely sure they're weather-tight,
although it'd be kinda dumb for them not to be.
>
>--------
>Jay Maynard, K5ZC
>AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
>(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170615#170615
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. |
Someone may have already said this, I haven't been following this thread.
The way I did it was to cover the area with masking tape, draw circle, drill
big hole near edge with a step drill bit. Then cut out circle with a jig
saw using a metal cutting blade, nice and slow. Works every time. LRM
www.skyhawg.com.
----- Original Message -----
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Need a whole on plexiglass.
>
> You can also scribe a circle on the acrylic, and cut it out with a dremel
> with some cutter wheels, and work to the edge with sanding drums. This
> pretty much guarantees you won't get cracks. It's a pain in the butt, but
> safer on a canopy than a flycutter. You can also make a circle in some
> light aluminum, and masking tape it in place as a shield to protect the
> surrounding plexi/lexan.
>
> That's how I have done them. It's a lot safer than a flycutter. Also with
> the sanding drums you can gradually work to the edge, and trial fit the
> vents as you go which is pretty important since you don't want them to
> be too loose.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170630#170630
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 10:48 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for plans |
Just a question here..... When/if one would buy second-hand plans, would
they not come with their assigned serial number? If so, wouldn't this solve
the problem of which you speak? If not, why not? Could a discussion be had
with Zenith to transfer the serial number to the new owner of the plans?
Would this not be to the benefit of Zenith? After all, they would stand to
gain another flying aircraft of their design instead of having the plans go
unused. In this scenario, Zenith has already received their money from the
original purchase of the plans. So, then, why wouldn't one try to find a
discounted set of plans from a now-disinterested builder? Just some
thoughts.....
Bob Taylor
Wadsworth, Ohio
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From: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Looking for plans
>
> If you wish to simply view a set I'm sure a local builder would be more
> than willing. Myself included if you are in the Dallas area, however I am
> sure that you will not find any economy in simply buying a set of plans
> from someone else.
>
> Remember this, you are not buying plans.... You are buying a serial # and
> support. You will have questions through the build and the folks at
> Zenith are who you want to talk to to get questions resolved. If you have
> no serial #, I wouldn't blame them for not answering any questions. In
> all fairness why should they. They are a company with a goal to make
> profit, not a charity. When you are all said and done with, you will find
> the 400 or so dollars for the plans isn't even a drop in the bucket.
>
> --------
> One Rivet at a Time!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170632#170632
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Weight in that position moves the CG a lot less than weight in the rear baggage
area.
This brings up a related question: I have not yet seen a complete set of weight
and balance numbers for any Zodiac at all. Can someone pass along data on their
plane? I know mine will be different, but right now, I have no feel for it
at all.
--------
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for plans |
Zenith does have a transfer program for plans or kits. Here is a link to some more
information. It's tied in with a scam alert so scroll down some.
The thing is you probably won't save a whole lot by buying used plans.
http://www.zenithair.com/scam-alert.html
FlyDad57(at)neo.rr.com wrote:
> Just a question here..... When/if one would buy second-hand plans, would
> they not come with their assigned serial number? If so, wouldn't this solve
> the problem of which you speak? If not, why not? Could a discussion be had
> with Zenith to transfer the serial number to the new owner of the plans?
> Would this not be to the benefit of Zenith? After all, they would stand to
> gain another flying aircraft of their design instead of having the plans go
> unused. In this scenario, Zenith has already received their money from the
> original purchase of the plans. So, then, why wouldn't one try to find a
> discounted set of plans from a now-disinterested builder? Just some
> thoughts.....
>
> Bob Taylor
> Wadsworth, Ohio
>
>
> ---
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601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
I'm no where close to doing weight and balence but if I just sent a deposit to
AMD I think I'd give them call and see if you could get a copy of the POH now.
jmaynard wrote:
>
> Gig Giacona wrote:
> > Weight in that position moves the CG a lot less than weight in the rear baggage
area.
>
>
> This brings up a related question: I have not yet seen a complete set of weight
and balance numbers for any Zodiac at all. Can someone pass along data on their
plane? I know mine will be different, but right now, I have no feel for it
at all.
--------
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601XL Under Construction
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Gig Giacona wrote:
> I'm no where close to doing weight and balence but if I just sent a deposit to
AMD I think I'd give them call and see if you could get a copy of the POH now.
I've seen the POH...and the W&B numbers aren't filled in until they produce the
specific book for the aircraft. That's a good idea, though, as I can do other
things like make laminated checklists.
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AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | newbie questions |
Hello,
I've decided to purchase the rudder starter kit to
build with my son but I'd like to put together some
tools first.
I found clecos and cleco pliers at yardstore.com for
less than they charge at ZAC but there are two
different types, one with up to a 1/4" draw length or
a long reach series with up to a 1/2" draw length. Is
the 1/2" necessary (easier to work with), or will the
1/4" work ok? The 1/2" are more expensive than at
ZAC.
I plan to start with a hand riveter then perhaps
upgrade if I get as addicted with this project as you
all seem to be :) Should I get the one from ZAC or
can you recommend something better or less expensive?
Also, can anyone tell me what that straight line
drawer thing is called, or maybe where to get one?
Thank you,
David
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
Gary Ray's very complete W&B spreadsheet contains the numbers for his
Corvair-powered XL. It is under "Builder's resources" on www.ch601.org here:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/W&B/ZodiacXLWBFinal.xls
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jmaynard
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: It's official
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Weight in that position moves the CG a lot less than weight in the rear
baggage area.
This brings up a related question: I have not yet seen a complete set of
weight and balance numbers for any Zodiac at all. Can someone pass along
data on their plane? I know mine will be different, but right now, I have no
feel for it at all.
--------
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | newbie questions |
In answer to your second question some call it an edge marker. ATS sells
one. Look here or under sheet metal tools:
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=AE6352&ReturnPage=/
shop/search_result.aspx?PageNo=1
Avery Tools sells the same thing but theirs is in black and white, not color
:-) Same price though:
https://www.averytools.com/p-277-edge-marker-block.aspx
If you haven't already consider some of the HomebuiltHELP DVDs, an Olfa
knife and lots of fine point Sharpies
http://homebuilthelp.com/
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Stasch
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:03 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: newbie questions
Hello,
I've decided to purchase the rudder starter kit to
build with my son but I'd like to put together some
tools first.
I found clecos and cleco pliers at yardstore.com for
less than they charge at ZAC but there are two
different types, one with up to a 1/4" draw length or
a long reach series with up to a 1/2" draw length. Is
the 1/2" necessary (easier to work with), or will the
1/4" work ok? The 1/2" are more expensive than at
ZAC.
I plan to start with a hand riveter then perhaps
upgrade if I get as addicted with this project as you
all seem to be :) Should I get the one from ZAC or
can you recommend something better or less expensive?
Also, can anyone tell me what that straight line
drawer thing is called, or maybe where to get one?
Thank you,
David
Metal Working 101 DVD
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| Subject: | Re: It's official |
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> Gary Ray's very complete W&B spreadsheet contains the numbers for his
> Corvair-powered XL. It is under "Builder's resources" on www.ch601.org here:
>
> http://www.ch601.org/resources/W&B/ZodiacXLWBFinal.xls
Just what I was looking for. Thanks!
--------
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for plans |
Adam
One more thought. Zenith also updates the plans set with the latest
changes which makes it a lot easier to construct the
aircraft without referring to addendum sheets and hope you see the
change before you do the construction.
Although you can get an updated set, if I remember for $75, you would
have to add that cost to the older sets price to
really have what you want. I would order the new set and know you are
starting off on good terms with Zenith. Unless the
plan set is very recent and I discussed the transfer with Zenith.
Gary Ray
davgray@sbcglobal.net
601XL TT 66 hrs WW Corvair 0.020 over
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From: Adam V
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for plans
i'm looking for someone who is selling a set of plans for a zodiac 601
xl
Thanks
Adam
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| Subject: | Re: canopy for 601XL? |
Hello Craig, my name is Joe Ham i'm in MT Holly N.C.
p. o. box 407 28120 I.m also bldg. an xl presently working on panel and fire
wall
forward. Using lycoming 0235 c1. I am very much interested in your canopy.
my phone no is 704 8271303 would like to know more.
Hope to be flying by this fall.
having fun. Joe Ham. Look forward to hearing from you.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Craig.Spainhower@exeloncorp.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: canopy for 601XL?
>
> I looked into using an RV style canopy, but they are not compatible due to
> the way
> the 601 narrows towards the front. I had Todd at www.toddscanopies.com
> custom build a
> longer and slightly higher canopy for me. It can be viewed on his website.
> It will install
> with the stock hardware, but I designed my own system with rear opening
> cantilever hinges
> so I could have a separate windshield. I'm not flying yet but hope to be
> this year.
>
> Craig S.
> N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235, wiring and wing installation left
>
> planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co wrote:
>> Does anyone know of someone trying to match a RV6/7 canopy to the 601XL
>> fuse?
>>
>> The planview fuselage width distributions between the two planes, while
>> similar
> in overall width, have substantial differences in terms of where the
> maximum
> girth point occurs and also in the direction of taper.
>
>
> Has anyone done any further exploration of canopy options such as this...?
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| Subject: | Re: Need a hole on plexiglass. |
kmccune wrote:
> Hole saw, slow speed as to not get the plex hot and sticky. A little oil helps
too. Make sure its a quality saw and spins true, or you will have a nasty ragged
hole.
>
> Kevin
I bet running it backwards would probably work well too. Less chance of grabbing.
Kind of like cutting aluminum on a tablesaw. Put the blade on backwards and
there's less chance of it grabbing and cuts just as well believe it or not.
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Did you see the ultimate cause of the engine mount failures? Workers were occassionally
leaving the engine work half done to go eat lunch or do a shift change.
Half the engine mount bolts were removed and the engine was supported by the
hydraulic jack, which lost pressure over time, slightly lowering the engine
enough to crack the engine mounts that were still connected and were taking more
weight than they were intended to hold, particularly under a bending moment.
[quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]Jay, you could be exactly right - look at the
DC-10. Great airplane but many, many people would not fly in one due to the
string of (cause unrelated) catastrophic crashes.
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:[quote] This is not humble; but it is my opinion:
It is just not conscionable to condemn an airplane design based purely on hearsay;
which is exactly what is happening on this forum. There is absolutely no
proof that any of the XL crashes were because of a design flaw or structural
deficiency. None. To assert otherwise is quite simply not rational. It is purely
emotional speculation. Emotional speculation may be a fun game for some of
you, but it is not productive. In fact, it is downright destructive.
The structure of this airplane has been analyzed and load tested twice. The second
time, it was monitored by an independent engineer. Do you really believe
that a professional engineer would support a faulty analysis or load test?
Larry McFarland and Rick Lindstrom have told us that Zenith is addressing this
issue yet another time. Their response is expected before the end of next week.
I believe that a rational thinking person would be willing to wait for that
response instead of immediately pursuing an emotion-based and ill-founded wild
goose chase.
If you don't have confidence in this airplane, Zenith or Chris Heintz, I strongly
suggest you do us all a favor: minimize your losses - stop building, or finish
it and sell it. And get off this abominable witch hunt!
Jay in Dallas CH 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser"
> [b]
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CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. |
Bryan, you, of course, can do what ever you want, but I would not use a fly cutter
and any power drill. If I was going to use a fly cutter I would use one with
two cutting bits and an hand auger. Never touch plex with any kind of saw.
You might survive, but chances are it will crack. Have you contacted the folks
that make the canopy for their suggestion? Good luck, Bill of Georgia
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need a whole on plexiglass.
?
I used a fly cutter mounted in a brace. Make sure the canopy is warm, start on
one side and finish off on the other and then smooth off any sharp edges.?
?
> > I need to put two 2.5 inch holes in the Plexiglas on my canopy to mount Vista
Vents. Any ideas, Tips or blade suggestions.?
> > And yes one of them is to get rid of a crack that developed when mounting the
canopy.?
> > --------?
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona?
> 601XL Under Construction?
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR?
> ?
-- Bryan Martin?
Zenith 601XL N61BM?
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive?
Do Not Archive?
?
?
?
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Hello group ,I am in the process of fitting my canopy .The frames and
front & rear tubes all seem to fit the canopy good .I have not drilled
any holes in the plastic canopy yet .My questions are :
What sequence of drilling should I use .Should I drill the bubble
to the tubes/bows first then fit the flashing or is there a better way
.Also I am not too happy with the front inside flashing fit ,this is at
the front bow location ,any and all suggestions will be greatly
appreciated. Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Need a hole on plexiglass. |
Good idea, I've done that when cutting vinyl siding with the radial arm and it
works very well.
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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The best suggestion I can give you for the front flashing is to not use it. I played
with it some and never got it to a point I liked.
And yes the canopy is attached to the front and rear tubes first starting in the
middle and working you way out.
wjones(at)BRAZORIAINET.CO wrote:
> Hello group ,I am in the process of fitting my canopy .The frames and front
& rear tubes all seem to fit the canopy good .I have not drilled any holes in
the plastic canopy yet .My questions are :
> What sequence of drilling should I use .Should I drill the bubble to the
tubes/bows first then fit the flashing or is there a better way .Also I am
not too happy with the front inside flashing fit ,this is at the front bow location
,any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
>
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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I have a set of 701 plans that I plan to start construction on
shortly. I note that the firewall is leaned back at an angle of 87
degrees from the horizontal. My question is how many Zenith models
share this exact same angulation. Probably the 801. How about the
601 and 640? The reason I need to know is that I am developing a
fixture to build engine mounts for the new RotaMax rotary engines
to be introduced at Sun N Fun. Thanks, Jerry
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that combined with driving a rough bullet through the lug holes ahead of the mount
bolt and scoring the fatigue critical lug bores deeply...
Did you see the ultimate cause of the engine mount failures? Workers were occassionally
leaving the engine work half done to go eat lunch or do a shift change.
Half the engine mount bolts were removed and the engine was supported by the
hydraulic jack, which lost pressure over time, slightly lowering the engine
enough to crack the engine mounts that were still connected and were taking more
weight than they were intended to hold, particularly under a bending moment.
[quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]Jay, you could be exactly right - look at the
DC-10. Great airplane but many, many people would not fly in one due to the
string of (cause unrelated) catastrophic crashes.
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:[quote] This is not humble; but it is my opinion:
It is just not conscionable to condemn an airplane design based purely on hearsay;
which is exactly what is happening on this forum. There is absolutely no
proof that any of the XL crashes were because of a design flaw or structural
deficiency. None. To assert otherwise is quite simply not rational. It is purely
emotional speculation. Emotional speculation may be a fun game for some of
you, but it is not productive. In fact, it is downright destructive.
The structure of this airplane has been analyzed and load tested twice. The second
time, it was monitored by an independent engineer. Do you really believe
that a professional engineer would support a faulty analysis or load test?
Larry McFarland and Rick Lindstrom have told us that Zenith is addressing this
issue yet another time. Their response is expected before the end of next week.
I believe that a rational thinking person would be willing to wait for that
response instead of immediately pursuing an emotion-based and ill-founded wild
goose chase.
If you don't have confidence in this airplane, Zenith or Chris Heintz, I strongly
suggest you do us all a favor: minimize your losses - stop building, or finish
it and sell it. And get off this abominable witch hunt!
Jay in Dallas CH 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser"
> [b]
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall angle |
Jerry,
The 601XL firewall is set at 77 degrees, or 13 degrees laid back from vertical.
Good luck,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail & wings completed and
fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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| Subject: | Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. |
I didn't use a power drill, I used a brace.
My fly cutter only has one cutting but, a two bit cutter would probably
be better, but mine worked, You just have to patient and use a light touch.
japhillipsga@aol.com wrote:
> Bryan, you, of course, can do what ever you want, but I would not use a
> fly cutter and any power drill. If I was going to use a fly cutter I
> would use one with two cutting bits and an hand auger. Never touch plex
> with any kind of saw. You might survive, but chances are it will crack.
> Have you contacted the folks that make the canopy for their suggestion?
> Good luck, Bill of Georgia
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 5:12 pm
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need a whole on plexiglass.
>
> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net <mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net>>
>
> I used a fly cutter mounted in a brace. Make sure the canopy is warm,
> start on one side and finish off on the other and then smooth off any
> sharp edges.
>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Need a whole on plexiglass. |
It's an antique hand drilling tool, also known as a bit brace. Here's
some at Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/27zhq9
and another: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/tls/605653279.html
I'm pretty sure the one I used actually is an antique, but new ones are
still being manufactured. I seem to recall that I had to modify the
shank of the fly cutter some to get it to work in the brace. I rigged it
up a few years ago when I was still building the plane and just left the
cutter in the brace since then.
>
> Tell me about the brace.
>
>
>
> bryanmmartin wrote:
>> I used a fly cutter mounted in a brace. Make sure the canopy is warm,
>> start on one side and finish off on the other and then smooth off any
>> sharp edges.
>>
>>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall angle |
Just remember that the cabin floor on the XL slopes up about 3 degrees. So
the angle of the firewall to the longeron is not the same as the angle of
the firewall to the cabin floor. The 06/03 version of 6-B-15 showed the 3
degrees explicitly in the diagram in the upper right corner (where 77
degrees is shown from the longeron). But in the 07/05 version the "3
degrees" notation has disappeared - maybe because it was an approximation?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:39 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Firewall angle
Jerry,
The 601XL firewall is set at 77 degrees, or 13 degrees laid back from
vertical.
Good luck,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail & wings completed and
fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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Hi Wade,
Drilling center to sides is best for the canopy to bows. If possible,
dont use the flashing. If you can get the bubble to set within half an
inch of the skins, you could use just the rubber trim to get the seal
needed. The internal flashings are a little awkward, but perhaps you can
get some of the perspective w/progression from my canopy page.
http://www.macsmachine.com/html/canopy.htm
I think the canopy without a front edge flashing is simpler to do,
performs just as well and looks better.
Take a look at the internal forward view to see how I terminated the
inside flashing.
If you need more specific detail, do ask,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
wade jones wrote:
> Hello group ,I am in the process of fitting my canopy .The frames and
> front & rear tubes all seem to fit the canopy good .I have not drilled
> any holes in the plastic canopy yet .My questions are :
> What sequence of drilling should I use .Should I drill the bubble to
> the tubes/bows first then fit the flashing or is there a better way
> .Also I am not too happy with the front inside flashing fit ,this is
> at the front bow location ,any and all suggestions will be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Wire Stripping Tool |
I use an Ideal Swivel-Blade Cable Stripper for large cables.
See: http://www.hmcelectronics.com/cgi-bin/scripts/product/4440-0068
You set the blade depth with the thumb screw, then just clamp it on the
cable and turn it around the cable once and pull it straight off the
end. You can probably get them at a local electrical contractor supply
house also.
Of course, if you are only going to strip a few cables, careful
application of a sharp knife will be much cheaper. I have a set of these
because I used to work as an electrician. These things save a lot of
time and effort when you're doing it all the time.
>
> I received a number of good tool references from the list (thank you),
> however these tools are all limited to a range of about 16 to 26 AWG
> wire. What are builders using for larger diameter wire, such as for the
> engine and charging system, etc.?
>
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel info |
The nose wheel on the XL is smaller in diameter then on the HD so the
fork is also shorter. The strut on the XL might be longer to compensate
for this. Most of the other parts may be the same. I can't say for sure.
lhusky@aol.com wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if the nose wheel assembly is the same on a HD and an
> XL. I can not find any part numbers for the HD. Are the steering rods,
> bearings, gear strut and everything the same?
>
> Thanks for the information,
>
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Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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I have it on good sources that:
NO MODIFICATION TO THE WING will be suggested by CH.
To obtain insurance I may be required to comply with an upcoming Zenith letter
and replace my rear lower nylon elevator stops with new ones that allow only 15
degrees of downward movement as opposed to the 27-30 degrees specified in 6-S-4.
I am not doing ANYTHING until I get that letter since I have no clue how stall
recovery will be affected. If I can obtain insurance without the modification,
I will not make the modification at this point . Proper pilot training and
a flexible stick quadrant seems like the better option to me at this point in
time, but hey, as Gig points out, I am only 14 and I am a girl.
(Gig your recent comments almost caused my dad to bar me from this forum.)
Changing the deflection as per this proposed letter will make W&B calculations
all the more critical!
Measure twice, then measure again.
DO NOT QUOTE DO NOT ARCHIVE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN
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Sabrina, when did I ever make any comment about either your age or gender? You
know better and I'm quite sure you've not only heard far worse language than I
used here at the airport.
But to the important stuff. Where did you get the info you posted below?
Sabrina wrote:
> I have it on good sources that:
>
> NO MODIFICATION TO THE WING will be suggested by CH.
>
> To obtain insurance I may be required to comply with an upcoming Zenith letter
and replace my rear lower nylon elevator stops with new ones that allow only
15 degrees of downward movement as opposed to the 27-30 degrees specified in
6-S-4.
>
> I am not doing ANYTHING until I get that letter since I have no clue how stall
recovery will be affected. If I can obtain insurance without the modification,
I will not make the modification at this point . Proper pilot training
and a flexible stick quadrant seems like the better option to me at this point
in time, but hey, as Gig points out, I am only 14 and I am a girl.
> (Gig your recent comments almost caused my dad to bar me from this forum.)
>
> Changing the deflection as per this proposed letter will make W&B calculations
all the more critical!
>
> Measure twice, then measure again.
>
> DO NOT QUOTE DO NOT ARCHIVE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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if i use a subaru eng in my 601 hds would i be better off to just use
the two wing tanks i have and leave the header tank out to make it
easier to get the weight and bal or how much weight would i have to add
to plane if i use all three tanks? i would probably just use the
header tk for local and the wing tanks for longer flts.thanks ralph
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Something I don't understand: Why are they concentrating on downward movement of
the elevator? The failures have been of the wings folding upward, right? In
at least one case (the British accident), the failure occurred during a pull up
from a high speed low pass, which would involve an upward movement of the elevator.
If the problem is the wings folding upward, it would seem to me that that happens
when the elevator is deflected upward, causing the wings to assume a higher
angle of attack, increasing their lift and pulling the fuselage upward at the
spar attachment, thus increasing the load on the spar and its attachments. Thus,
limiting downward travel of the elevator seems to be not very helpful.
I don't think that it'd cause problems with stall recovery, especially since the
Zodiac I flew recovered simply by relaxing the back pressure on the stick,
but it doesn't seem like it'll cause the desired effect, either. What am I missing?
--------
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
(ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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Hi
What is a flexible stick quadrant and purpose
Thanks Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:45 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Great News!
>
> I have it on good sources that:
>
> NO MODIFICATION TO THE WING will be suggested by CH.
>
> To obtain insurance I may be required to comply with an upcoming Zenith
> letter and replace my rear lower nylon elevator stops with new ones that
> allow only 15 degrees of downward movement as opposed to the 27-30 degrees
> specified in 6-S-4.
>
> I am not doing ANYTHING until I get that letter since I have no clue how
> stall recovery will be affected. If I can obtain insurance without the
> modification, I will not make the modification at this point . Proper
> pilot training and a flexible stick quadrant seems like the better option
> to me at this point in time, but hey, as Gig points out, I am only 14 and
> I am a girl.
> (Gig your recent comments almost caused my dad to bar me from this forum.)
>
> Changing the deflection as per this proposed letter will make W&B
> calculations all the more critical!
>
> Measure twice, then measure again.
>
> DO NOT QUOTE DO NOT ARCHIVE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170722#170722
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: newbie questions |
I got my clecos at US Tool ( www.ustool.com ). They are selling them for
34 cents each right now. I have had no need for the longer reach clecos,
the standard ones have worked fine.
I bought a pneumatic riveter from Harbor Freight. They sell two
different ones, I bought this one: http://tinyurl.com/2c4vka
I built the entire plane with it and it held up fine. I ground my own
rivet heads to make the domed rivets and ordered extra heads from HF so
I still had the flat faced ones if needed.
For making reference lines for rivets along the edge of sheets, I just
made a guide from a bit of scrap aluminum sheet. I bent one edge of a
small piece of sheet to a sharp 90 degree angle and drilled a small hole
the proper distance from this bent edge. Put the guide on the edge of
your sheet and put the tip of your sharpie in the hole and slide the
guide along the edge. It worked great and cost nothing.
>
> Hello,
>
> I've decided to purchase the rudder starter kit to
> build with my son but I'd like to put together some
> tools first.
>
> I found clecos and cleco pliers at yardstore.com for
> less than they charge at ZAC but there are two
> different types, one with up to a 1/4" draw length or
> a long reach series with up to a 1/2" draw length. Is
> the 1/2" necessary (easier to work with), or will the
> 1/4" work ok? The 1/2" are more expensive than at
> ZAC.
>
> I plan to start with a hand riveter then perhaps
> upgrade if I get as addicted with this project as you
> all seem to be :) Should I get the one from ZAC or
> can you recommend something better or less expensive?
>
> Also, can anyone tell me what that straight line
> drawer thing is called, or maybe where to get one?
>
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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February 10-18th on Google.
The English crash was not a 601 XL. It must be easier to accidentally push the
stick forward rather than pull it back.
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HI Sabrina;
I keep floating anti-servo geometry for the elevator tab but no biters yet - and
I am not continuing my build for personal reasons. What is your take on the
centering forces that anti-servo geometry to the tab would generate and why could
it not be combined with the restricted down travel stop?
I like the way you think and that is why I am digging here.
I have it on good sources that:
NO MODIFICATION TO THE WING will be suggested by CH.
To obtain insurance I may be required to comply with an upcoming Zenith letter
and replace my rear lower nylon elevator stops with new ones that allow only 15
degrees of downward movement as opposed to the 27-30 degrees specified in 6-S-4.
I am not doing ANYTHING until I get that letter since I have no clue how stall
recovery will be affected. If I can obtain insurance without the modification,
I will not make the modification at this point . Proper pilot training and
a flexible stick quadrant seems like the better option to me at this point in
time, but hey, as Gig points out, I am only 14 and I am a girl.
(Gig your recent comments almost caused my dad to bar me from this forum.)
Changing the deflection as per this proposed letter will make W&B calculations
all the more critical!
Measure twice, then measure again.
DO NOT QUOTE DO NOT ARCHIVE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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When drilling the holes is the canopy, do not use a cleco or any other
device to pull the canopy down to the tube if the space is more the
1/8in. If you do have a space more the 1/8in. either correct the tube
or us a shim.
David brown
N601EX
.Should I drill the bubble to the tubes/bows first then fit the flashing
or is there a better way .Also I am not too happy with the front inside
flashing fit ,this is at the front bow location ,any and all suggestions
will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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Can you find me a design photo of an anti-servo tab like you are talking about
(for an XL with a fixed horizontal stabilizer and an elevator where a single tab
cannot be placed across the entire surface due to interference by the rudder
as in the Zenith)? (You would need to cross-tie the two tabs, no?)
Per the PILOTS HANDBOOK of Aeronautical Knowledge 2003, an antiservo tab moves
in the same direction as the trailing edge of the stabilator. The antiservo tab
also functions as a trim tab to relieve control pressures and helps maintain
the stabilator in the desired position.
There are computer modeling simulations for that application, but not for what
you are dreaming up, as far as I can find.
Sorry I cannot help you there...
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Hi Sabrina,
I just have two questions:
1) How would insurance folks know about elevator stops on a Zodiac
XL? All the insurance guys I have talked to can barely spell EXPERIMENTAL.
2) I thought you had to be a lot older than 14 to legally fly
powered planes, like 18 maybe. Has that changed?
Paul
XL fuselage
Well over 14 (and 41 too)
At 12:45 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote:
>I have it on good sources that:
>
>NO MODIFICATION TO THE WING will be suggested by CH.
>
>To obtain insurance I may be required to comply with an upcoming
>Zenith letter and replace my rear lower nylon elevator stops with
>new ones that allow only 15 degrees of downward movement as opposed
>to the 27-30 degrees specified in 6-S-4.
>
>I am not doing ANYTHING until I get that letter since I have no clue
>how stall recovery will be affected. If I can obtain insurance
>without the modification, I will not make the modification at this
>point . Proper pilot training and a flexible stick quadrant seems
>like the better option to me at this point in time, but hey, as Gig
>points out, I am only 14 and I am a girl.
>(Gig your recent comments almost caused my dad to bar me from this forum.)
>
>Changing the deflection as per this proposed letter will make W&B
>calculations all the more critical!
>
>Measure twice, then measure again.
>
>DO NOT QUOTE DO NOT ARCHIVE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN
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I pondered this myself, but after thinking about it a little more I could imagine
that the downward failure mode and buckling that would occur would be then
very quickly and violently be reversed and ripped backwards due to the drag and
lift on the wing. Once buckling occurs and the aluminum has yielded, and the
web has buckled, there is no going back...
I'd like for someone with a better understanding of aeronautical engineering to
comment on what I just suggested as a possible failure mode...
jmaynard wrote:
> Something I don't understand: Why are they concentrating on downward movement
of the elevator? The failures have been of the wings folding upward, right? In
at least one case (the British accident), the failure occurred during a pull
up from a high speed low pass, which would involve an upward movement of the
elevator.
>
> If the problem is the wings folding upward, it would seem to me that that happens
when the elevator is deflected upward, causing the wings to assume a higher
angle of attack, increasing their lift and pulling the fuselage upward at the
spar attachment, thus increasing the load on the spar and its attachments.
Thus, limiting downward travel of the elevator seems to be not very helpful.
>
> I don't think that it'd cause problems with stall recovery, especially since
the Zodiac I flew recovered simply by relaxing the back pressure on the stick,
but it doesn't seem like it'll cause the desired effect, either. What am I missing?
--------
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The legal age is 16 to solo in the U. S. Apparently, it's 14 in Canada.
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
> Hi Sabrina,
>
> I just have two questions:
>
> 1) How would insurance folks know about elevator stops on a Zodiac XL?
> All the insurance guys I have talked to can barely spell EXPERIMENTAL.
>
> 2) I thought you had to be a lot older than 14 to legally fly powered
> planes, like 18 maybe. Has that changed?
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> Well over 14 (and 41 too)
>
>
> At 12:45 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote:
>
>> I have it on good sources that:
>>
>> NO MODIFICATION TO THE WING will be suggested by CH.
>>
>> To obtain insurance I may be required to comply with an upcoming
>> Zenith letter and replace my rear lower nylon elevator stops with new
>> ones that allow only 15 degrees of downward movement as opposed to the
>> 27-30 degrees specified in 6-S-4.
>>
>> I am not doing ANYTHING until I get that letter since I have no clue
>> how stall recovery will be affected. If I can obtain insurance
>> without the modification, I will not make the modification at this
>> point . Proper pilot training and a flexible stick quadrant seems
>> like the better option to me at this point in time, but hey, as Gig
>> points out, I am only 14 and I am a girl.
>> (Gig your recent comments almost caused my dad to bar me from this
>> forum.)
>>
>> Changing the deflection as per this proposed letter will make W&B
>> calculations all the more critical!
>>
>> Measure twice, then measure again.
>>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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http://www.slbdc.com/BusinessBeat_July.pdf
My longest solo was 5 hours last June, including stops where you need to obtain
proof of landing "stamps" for Transport Canada.
When you start an aircraft when you are 12 years old and finish it at 14, the insurance
companies a lot of questions.
I have an application pending with the FAA for Private Pilot Priveleges under ICAO.
A student pilot licence in Canada requires much more training than a solo
endorsement here. Whereas each cross-country flight in the US must be signed
off by a CFI, in Canada my limitations are: VFR day, no passengers, no over
the top.
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| Subject: | Re: Need a hole on plexiglass. |
Yeah, me too. I was just doing that a few months ago.
kmccune wrote:
> Good idea, I've done that when cutting vinyl siding with the radial arm and it
works very well.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Wishing I was 16................
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great News!
>
> The legal age is 16 to solo in the U. S. Apparently, it's 14 in Canada.
>
> Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sabrina,
>>
>> I just have two questions:
>>
>> 1) How would insurance folks know about elevator stops on a Zodiac XL?
>> All the insurance guys I have talked to can barely spell EXPERIMENTAL.
>>
>> 2) I thought you had to be a lot older than 14 to legally fly powered
>> planes, like 18 maybe. Has that changed?
>>
>> Paul
>> XL fuselage
>> Well over 14 (and 41 too)
>>
>>
>> At 12:45 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>> I have it on good sources that:
>>>
>>> NO MODIFICATION TO THE WING will be suggested by CH.
>>>
>>> To obtain insurance I may be required to comply with an upcoming Zenith
>>> letter and replace my rear lower nylon elevator stops with new ones that
>>> allow only 15 degrees of downward movement as opposed to the 27-30
>>> degrees specified in 6-S-4.
>>>
>>> I am not doing ANYTHING until I get that letter since I have no clue how
>>> stall recovery will be affected. If I can obtain insurance without
>>> the modification, I will not make the modification at this point .
>>> Proper pilot training and a flexible stick quadrant seems like the
>>> better option to me at this point in time, but hey, as Gig points out, I
>>> am only 14 and I am a girl.
>>> (Gig your recent comments almost caused my dad to bar me from this
>>> forum.)
>>>
>>> Changing the deflection as per this proposed letter will make W&B
>>> calculations all the more critical!
>>>
>>> Measure twice, then measure again.
>>>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> Zenith 601XL N61BM
> Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Accident Hysteria |
I have been reading about the nahsayers regarding the safety of the Zodia
c
CH601XL for over a week now. And frankly, I was starting to get worried
about my recently completed project that just passed the Airworthiness
inspection Friday last.
So I started investigating the Accidents everyone was referring to. Here
is
a recap.
NTSB ID: DFW07LA102 - CH601 XL - 9 month sport Pilot flew into weather at
12:45PM 05/02/07, destroying the airplane in flight. He flew into heavy I
MC.
Now what would a 9 month sport Pilot Operator being doing in IMC? I just
can't fathom it. And while doing so, torn the wings off. I do not feel t
hat
this is a design flaw but a 'Stupid Pilot Trick'. Unfortunately, he proba
bly
didn't have enough hours to know that.
NTSB ID: LAX07LA218 - CH601 HDS- VFR - pulled power on base and needed
power on final - couldn't get his 912 S to respond. He hit a house, flipp
ed
over. Upon examination, NTSB found that both carb bowls were varnished an
d
empty. Throttle cable was severely frayed. Owner stated that he ran the
engine about 11 times during the 6 year build process. He ran it most
during the recent taxi tests. This was his first flight.
And that, my friends is it for CH601s in America.
And then we have the CH601XL Australian accident of an apparent canopy-bi
rd
collision (NO wing detachment) and CH601HDS in Spain which, at this time
appears to be pilot error (Stupid Pilot trick).
It is good to be cautious but to call for a massive investigation due to
a
chicken little' mentality is absolutely not called for. Our time would be
better spent learning all we can about the airplane and its powerplant by
following AC90-89 to the letter and being safety conscious.
You all can do what you want, but I am taking myself out of the "I'm In"
gang. What I built is safe and well designed. Watch the NTSB reports for
my
first flight if you wish.
Dave Nixon
CH601XL 3300 tail No: N107R
Airworthiness Inspected and ready for testing.
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Wishing I had had 54,000 "puffs" to invest in my 601 XL... :0)
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I think the 601XL is a safe design. But I think you need to expand your
search criteria. For example, what about LAX06LA105?
Accident occurred Wednesday, February 08, 2006 in Oakdale, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 3/26/2007
Aircraft: Hooker Zodiac 601XL, registration: N105RH
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
The problem with the NTSB database and experimental aircraft is that I can
register my plane as anything I wish to name it.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nixon
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
I have been reading about the nahsayers regarding the safety of the Zodiac
CH601XL for over a week now. And frankly, I was starting to get worried
about my recently completed project that just passed the Airworthiness
inspection Friday last.
So I started investigating the Accidents everyone was referring to. Here is
a recap.
NTSB ID: DFW07LA102 - CH601 XL - 9 month sport Pilot flew into weather at
12:45PM 05/02/07, destroying the airplane in flight. He flew into heavy IMC.
Now what would a 9 month sport Pilot Operator being doing in IMC? I just
can't fathom it. And while doing so, torn the wings off. I do not feel that
this is a design flaw but a 'Stupid Pilot Trick'. Unfortunately, he probably
didn't have enough hours to know that.
NTSB ID: LAX07LA218 - CH601 HDS- VFR - pulled power on base and needed
power on final - couldn't get his 912 S to respond. He hit a house, flipped
over. Upon examination, NTSB found that both carb bowls were varnished and
empty. Throttle cable was severely frayed. Owner stated that he ran the
engine about 11 times during the 6 year build process. He ran it most
during the recent taxi tests. This was his first flight.
And that, my friends is it for CH601s in America.
And then we have the CH601XL Australian accident of an apparent canopy-bird
collision (NO wing detachment) and CH601HDS in Spain which, at this time
appears to be pilot error (Stupid Pilot trick).
It is good to be cautious but to call for a massive investigation due to a
'chicken little' mentality is absolutely not called for. Our time would be
better spent learning all we can about the airplane and its powerplant by
following AC90-89 to the letter and being safety conscious.
You all can do what you want, but I am taking myself out of the "I'm In"
gang. What I built is safe and well designed. Watch the NTSB reports for my
first flight if you wish.
Dave Nixon
CH601XL 3300 tail No: N107R
Airworthiness Inspected and ready for testing.
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Dave , what about the instructor in virginia? that was a 601, and what
about the instructor and the owner that went down in calif. ? that was a
601 both were in the trafic pattern and both had instructor's flying, no
neg G's no stunt flying," no stupid pilot tricks " and no noticeable
abrupt elevator movement, even at that they were at landing speed...
One plane was factory built and one was a kit.... FACT ,both had the
same end results wing's folded up... ????? Joe N101 HD
601XL/RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nixon
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
I have been reading about the nahsayers regarding the safety of
the Zodiac CH601XL for over a week now. And frankly, I was starting to
get worried about my recently completed project that just passed the
Airworthiness inspection Friday last.
So I started investigating the Accidents everyone was referring
to. Here is a recap.
NTSB ID: DFW07LA102 - CH601 XL - 9 month sport Pilot flew into
weather at 12:45PM 05/02/07, destroying the airplane in flight. He flew
into heavy IMC. Now what would a 9 month sport Pilot Operator being
doing in IMC? I just can't fathom it. And while doing so, torn the
wings off. I do not feel that this is a design flaw but a 'Stupid Pilot
Trick'. Unfortunately, he probably didn't have enough hours to know
that.
NTSB ID: LAX07LA218 - CH601 HDS- VFR - pulled power on base and
needed power on final - couldn't get his 912 S to respond. He hit a
house, flipped over. Upon examination, NTSB found that both carb bowls
were varnished and empty. Throttle cable was severely frayed. Owner
stated that he ran the engine about 11 times during the 6 year build
process. He ran it most during the recent taxi tests. This was his
first flight.
And that, my friends is it for CH601s in America.
And then we have the CH601XL Australian accident of an apparent
canopy-bird collision (NO wing detachment) and CH601HDS in Spain which,
at this time appears to be pilot error (Stupid Pilot trick).
It is good to be cautious but to call for a massive
investigation due to a 'chicken little' mentality is absolutely not
called for. Our time would be better spent learning all we can about the
airplane and its powerplant by following AC90-89 to the letter and being
safety conscious.
You all can do what you want, but I am taking myself out of the
"I'm In" gang. What I built is safe and well designed. Watch the NTSB
reports for my first flight if you wish.
Dave Nixon
CH601XL 3300 tail No: N107R
Airworthiness Inspected and ready for testing.
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| Subject: | 601HD TDO FOR SALE |
My name is Ralph Mirabal, 601hd tdo builder in Miami.
Right after I picked up my new corvairengine from the old W.W. shop last Ju
ly, I had to stop my 601hd tdo project upon personal reasons,therefore,I ha
ve not been able to continue process and not sure if I will be able to anyt
ime soon. For this reason I have decided to place it up for sale. This near
ly finished plane consists of:
WW complete FWF
A new Icom IC-A200 VHF air band transceiver
A fully functioning Collins Mirco line TDR-950 Transponder
TL Elektronic altimeter w/ encoder mode C TL 3524
Ray Allen- G205 and G101 stick grips
AK 450 ELT FAA TSO 91 a approved
The factors that must be completed are the following:
Installation of wings
Secure the rudder
Secure gas tank before riveting the top skin
Installation of fuselage fearing
ELT
Transponder antenna
Installation of the seats (purchased new seats from fly crafter)
Finishing touches on the forward opening canopy
Selling Price
Total cost: $20,000.00 (or will consider separating)
FWF:$9,000.00
Fuselage:$11,000.00
For infomation, call Ralph (305)986-1989
e-mail -ralphmirabal@hotmail.com or ralphmirabal@bellsouth.net
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The CA 02/06 aircraft was flown near weather so severe that a ferry pilot had to
divert. The leading edges had elongated rivet holes upon inspection after the
crash. Was it the final flight or the ferry flight that caused the elongated
leading edge rivet hole damage?
The S-LSA was heard to "explode" first, and then a wing fold, same with the Spanish
crash.
Another weather fold was already mentioned and a bird strike = 5.
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If by "instructor in virginia", "One plane was factory built" and "both had
the same end results wing's folded up" you are including Jim Pellien's
crash then you are seriously confused:
NTSB Identification: NYC07FA025.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact
Records Management Division <http://www.ntsb.gov/info/sources.htm#pib>
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, November 11, 2006 in Basye, VA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 7/25/2007
Aircraft: Czech Aircraft Works CH 601 XL RTF, registration: N601VA
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of
this accident as follows:
The pilot's inadequate preflight inspection, which resulted in a total loss
of engine power due to fuel exhaustion.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern
Reflections
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
Dave , what about the instructor in virginia? that was a 601, and what about
the instructor and the owner that went down in calif. ? that was a 601 both
were in the trafic pattern and both had instructor's flying, no neg G's no
stunt flying," no stupid pilot tricks " and no noticeable abrupt elevator
movement, even at that they were at landing speed... One plane was factory
built and one was a kit.... FACT ,both had the same end results wing's
folded up... ????? Joe N101 HD 601XL/RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nixon <mailto:adnasap@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
I have been reading about the nahsayers regarding the safety of the Zodiac
CH601XL for over a week now. And frankly, I was starting to get worried
about my recently completed project that just passed the Airworthiness
inspection Friday last.
So I started investigating the Accidents everyone was referring to. Here is
a recap.
NTSB ID: DFW07LA102 - CH601 XL - 9 month sport Pilot flew into weather at
12:45PM 05/02/07, destroying the airplane in flight. He flew into heavy IMC.
Now what would a 9 month sport Pilot Operator being doing in IMC? I just
can't fathom it. And while doing so, torn the wings off. I do not feel that
this is a design flaw but a 'Stupid Pilot Trick'. Unfortunately, he probably
didn't have enough hours to know that.
NTSB ID: LAX07LA218 - CH601 HDS- VFR - pulled power on base and needed
power on final - couldn't get his 912 S to respond. He hit a house, flipped
over. Upon examination, NTSB found that both carb bowls were varnished and
empty. Throttle cable was severely frayed. Owner stated that he ran the
engine about 11 times during the 6 year build process. He ran it most
during the recent taxi tests. This was his first flight.
And that, my friends is it for CH601s in America.
And then we have the CH601XL Australian accident of an apparent canopy-bird
collision (NO wing detachment) and CH601HDS in Spain which, at this time
appears to be pilot error (Stupid Pilot trick).
It is good to be cautious but to call for a massive investigation due to a
'chicken little' mentality is absolutely not called for. Our time would be
better spent learning all we can about the airplane and its powerplant by
following AC90-89 to the letter and being safety conscious.
You all can do what you want, but I am taking myself out of the "I'm In"
gang. What I built is safe and well designed. Watch the NTSB reports for my
first flight if you wish.
Dave Nixon
CH601XL 3300 tail No: N107R
Airworthiness Inspected and ready for testing.
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I think this was the first flight with the wings reattached. The
question was how it was attached. Report could not determine what
happened
do you thing bolts and things fail with no unusal loads? Something
was no put together right
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On 3/18/08, Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Dave , what about the instructor in virginia? that was a 601, and what about
> the instructor and the owner that went down in calif. ? that was a 601 both
> were in the trafic pattern and both had instructor's flying, no neg G's no
> stunt flying," no stupid pilot tricks " and no noticeable abrupt elevator
> movement, even at that they were at landing speed... One plane was factory
> built and one was a kit.... FACT ,both had the same end results wing's
> folded up... ????? Joe N101 HD 601XL/RAM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Nixon
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:38 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
>
>
> I have been reading about the nahsayers regarding the safety of the
> Zodiac CH601XL for over a week now. And frankly, I was starting to get
> worried about my recently completed project that just passed the
> Airworthiness inspection Friday last.
> So I started investigating the Accidents everyone was referring to.
> Here is a recap.
>
> NTSB ID: DFW07LA102 - CH601 XL - 9 month sport Pilot flew into
> weather at 12:45PM 05/02/07, destroying the airplane in flight. He flew into
> heavy IMC. Now what would a 9 month sport Pilot Operator being doing in
> IMC? I just can't fathom it. And while doing so, torn the wings off. I do
> not feel that this is a design flaw but a 'Stupid Pilot Trick'.
> Unfortunately, he probably didn't have enough hours to know that.
>
> NTSB ID: LAX07LA218 - CH601 HDS- VFR - pulled power on base and
> needed power on final - couldn't get his 912 S to respond. He hit a house,
> flipped over. Upon examination, NTSB found that both carb bowls were
> varnished and empty. Throttle cable was severely frayed. Owner stated that
> he ran the engine about 11 times during the 6 year build process. He ran it
> most during the recent taxi tests. This was his first flight.
>
> And that, my friends is it for CH601s in America.
>
> And then we have the CH601XL Australian accident of an apparent
> canopy-bird collision (NO wing detachment) and CH601HDS in Spain which, at
> this time appears to be pilot error (Stupid Pilot trick).
>
> It is good to be cautious but to call for a massive investigation
> due to a 'chicken little' mentality is absolutely not called for. Our time
> would be better spent learning all we can about the airplane and its
> powerplant by following AC90-89 to the letter and being safety conscious.
>
> You all can do what you want, but I am taking myself out of the "I'm
> In" gang. What I built is safe and well designed. Watch the NTSB reports for
> my first flight if you wish.
>
> Dave Nixon
> CH601XL 3300 tail No: N107R
> Airworthiness Inspected and ready for testing.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Hysteria |
Flight into weather like that is pilot error and is a matter of luck
that this or any plane makes it though
-1
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On 3/18/08, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
>
> The CA 02/06 aircraft was flown near weather so severe that a ferry pilot
> had to divert. The leading edges had elongated rivet holes upon inspection
> after the crash. Was it the final flight or the ferry flight that caused
> the elongated leading edge rivet hole damage?
>
> The S-LSA was heard to "explode" first, and then a wing fold, same with the
> Spanish crash.
>
> Another weather fold was already mentioned and a bird strike = 5.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170801#170801
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: weight and bal |
Bill-
Depends on the size of the header. Contact Larry MacFarland, since
he's using a Sub in an HDS.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Flick
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: weight and bal
if i use a subaru eng in my 601 hds would i be better off to just use
the two wing tanks i have and leave the header tank out to make it
easier to get the weight and bal or how much weight would i have to add
to plane if i use all three tanks? i would probably just use the
header tk for local and the wing tanks for longer flts.thanks ralph
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| Subject: | Zenith Rudder workshop - May 15/16 |
If anyone in the neighborhood of CO is planning on going to this thing,
I'd like to split expenses for a ride out. My better half and son would
meet me there but a Volleyball tournament prevents them leaving in time
for an 8:00am start on the 15th.
Bob Percival
701-Vair
Hoping to achieve glacial pace
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Hysteria |
agreed... just build the airplane to specs!
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Sure Do, AllI say is WHY..... Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "ernie" <ernieth@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
>
> I think this was the first flight with the wings reattached. The
> question was how it was attached. Report could not determine what
> happened
> do you thing bolts and things fail with no unusal loads? Something
> was no put together right
> do no archive
>
> On 3/18/08, Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Dave , what about the instructor in virginia? that was a 601, and what
>> about
>> the instructor and the owner that went down in calif. ? that was a 601
>> both
>> were in the trafic pattern and both had instructor's flying, no neg G's
>> no
>> stunt flying," no stupid pilot tricks " and no noticeable abrupt elevator
>> movement, even at that they were at landing speed... One plane was
>> factory
>> built and one was a kit.... FACT ,both had the same end results wing's
>> folded up... ????? Joe N101 HD 601XL/RAM
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dave Nixon
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:38 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
>>
>>
>> I have been reading about the nahsayers regarding the safety of the
>> Zodiac CH601XL for over a week now. And frankly, I was starting to get
>> worried about my recently completed project that just passed the
>> Airworthiness inspection Friday last.
>> So I started investigating the Accidents everyone was referring to.
>> Here is a recap.
>>
>> NTSB ID: DFW07LA102 - CH601 XL - 9 month sport Pilot flew into
>> weather at 12:45PM 05/02/07, destroying the airplane in flight. He flew
>> into
>> heavy IMC. Now what would a 9 month sport Pilot Operator being doing in
>> IMC? I just can't fathom it. And while doing so, torn the wings off. I do
>> not feel that this is a design flaw but a 'Stupid Pilot Trick'.
>> Unfortunately, he probably didn't have enough hours to know that.
>>
>> NTSB ID: LAX07LA218 - CH601 HDS- VFR - pulled power on base and
>> needed power on final - couldn't get his 912 S to respond. He hit a
>> house,
>> flipped over. Upon examination, NTSB found that both carb bowls were
>> varnished and empty. Throttle cable was severely frayed. Owner stated
>> that
>> he ran the engine about 11 times during the 6 year build process. He ran
>> it
>> most during the recent taxi tests. This was his first flight.
>>
>> And that, my friends is it for CH601s in America.
>>
>> And then we have the CH601XL Australian accident of an apparent
>> canopy-bird collision (NO wing detachment) and CH601HDS in Spain which,
>> at
>> this time appears to be pilot error (Stupid Pilot trick).
>>
>> It is good to be cautious but to call for a massive investigation
>> due to a 'chicken little' mentality is absolutely not called for. Our
>> time
>> would be better spent learning all we can about the airplane and its
>> powerplant by following AC90-89 to the letter and being safety conscious.
>>
>> You all can do what you want, but I am taking myself out of the "I'm
>> In" gang. What I built is safe and well designed. Watch the NTSB reports
>> for
>> my first flight if you wish.
>>
>> Dave Nixon
>> CH601XL 3300 tail No: N107R
>> Airworthiness Inspected and ready for testing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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You're right, my mistake... fuel I'am sure there was
another... Have to look in my pile of papers from last year, or the
year before... Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
If by "instructor in virginia", "One plane was factory built" and
"both had the same end results wing's folded up" you are including Jim
Pellien's crash then you are seriously confused:
NTSB Identification: NYC07FA025.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please
contact Records Management Division
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, November 11, 2006 in Basye, VA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 7/25/2007
Aircraft: Czech Aircraft Works CH 601 XL RTF, registration: N601VA
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s) of this accident as follows:
The pilot's inadequate preflight inspection, which resulted in a total
loss of engine power due to fuel exhaustion.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern
Reflections
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:14 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
Dave , what about the instructor in virginia? that was a 601, and what
about the instructor and the owner that went down in calif. ? that was a
601 both were in the trafic pattern and both had instructor's flying, no
neg G's no stunt flying," no stupid pilot tricks " and no noticeable
abrupt elevator movement, even at that they were at landing speed...
One plane was factory built and one was a kit.... FACT ,both had the
same end results wing's folded up... ????? Joe N101 HD
601XL/RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nixon
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Accident Hysteria
I have been reading about the nahsayers regarding the safety
of the Zodiac CH601XL for over a week now. And frankly, I was starting
to get worried about my recently completed project that just passed the
Airworthiness inspection Friday last.
So I started investigating the Accidents everyone was
referring to. Here is a recap.
NTSB ID: DFW07LA102 - CH601 XL - 9 month sport Pilot flew into
weather at 12:45PM 05/02/07, destroying the airplane in flight. He flew
into heavy IMC. Now what would a 9 month sport Pilot Operator being
doing in IMC? I just can't fathom it. And while doing so, torn the
wings off. I do not feel that this is a design flaw but a 'Stupid Pilot
Trick'. Unfortunately, he probably didn't have enough hours to know
that.
NTSB ID: LAX07LA218 - CH601 HDS- VFR - pulled power on base
and needed power on final - couldn't get his 912 S to respond. He hit a
house, flipped over. Upon examination, NTSB found that both carb bowls
were varnished and empty. Throttle cable was severely frayed. Owner
stated that he ran the engine about 11 times during the 6 year build
process. He ran it most during the recent taxi tests. This was his
first flight.
And that, my friends is it for CH601s in America.
And then we have the CH601XL Australian accident of an
apparent canopy-bird collision (NO wing detachment) and CH601HDS in
Spain which, at this time appears to be pilot error (Stupid Pilot
trick).
It is good to be cautious but to call for a massive
investigation due to a 'chicken little' mentality is absolutely not
called for. Our time would be better spent learning all we can about the
airplane and its powerplant by following AC90-89 to the letter and being
safety conscious.
You all can do what you want, but I am taking myself out of
the "I'm In" gang. What I built is safe and well designed. Watch the
NTSB reports for my first flight if you wish.
Dave Nixon
CH601XL 3300 tail No: N107R
Airworthiness Inspected and ready for testing.
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Hi
Is any one flying a CH701 with warpdrive Prop.
I have Rotax 912extra (90-95hp)
69 inch three blade warp drive
What starting pitch?
Torque for 1/4" blade pinch bolts?
Torque for 8 mm prop to hub bolts?
Thanks in advance
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| Subject: | Re: weight and bal |
Hi Ralph,
I use a 9.5 gal header with my leading edge wing tanks. The ability to
fill the header from a wing tank is better from my perspective because
you can run on the header
while valving to the wing tank and turning on its pump switch.
Regulating the flow and fill seems much better than trying to coordinate
valve and pumps from the wings.
You're better to push fuel from Facets near the wing rib near the tanks
and again from the firewall to your Bing carbs. I parallel pump 2
Facets on the firewall as well,
but only run one of them when cruising. A half size header is good for
clearance with the radio, transponder, and long gages.
If you need more detail, of course, don't be reluctant to ask.
Larry McFarland
Bill Flick wrote:
> if i use a subaru eng in my 601 hds would i be better off to just use
> the two wing tanks i have and leave the header tank out to make it
> easier to get the weight and bal or how much weight would i have to
> add to plane if i use all three tanks? i would probably just use the
> header tk for local and the wing tanks for longer flts.thanks ralph
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Hysteria |
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 06:04:19PM -0700, Sabrina wrote:
> agreed... just build the airplane to specs!
That doesn't explain the factory aircraft's inflight breakup. That's the one
that has me the most concerned.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Hysteria |
Are you Maynard that lives on Walts Way ????
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Maynard" <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Accident Hysteria
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 06:04:19PM -0700, Sabrina wrote:
>> agreed... just build the airplane to specs!
>
> That doesn't explain the factory aircraft's inflight breakup. That's the
> one
> that has me the most concerned.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for plans |
Bob,
I believe what you are suggesting is covered by a phone call and
$50.00 to Zenith to officially change the registered owner of a plan set.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 3/18/2008 9:36:33 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
FlyDad57@neo.rr.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Taylor" <FlyDad57@neo.rr.com>
Just a question here..... When/if one would buy second-hand plans, would
they not come with their assigned serial number? If so, wouldn't this solve
the problem of which you speak? If not, why not? Could a discussion be had
with Zenith to transfer the serial number to the new owner of the plans?
Would this not be to the benefit of Zenith? After all, they would stand to
gain another flying aircraft of their design instead of having the plans go
unused. In this scenario, Zenith has already received their money from the
original purchase of the plans. So, then, why wouldn't one try to find a
discounted set of plans from a now-disinterested builder? Just some
thoughts.....
Bob Taylor
Wadsworth, Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Looking for plans
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
>
> If you wish to simply view a set I'm sure a local builder would be more
> than willing. Myself included if you are in the Dallas area, however I am
> sure that you will not find any economy in simply buying a set of plans
> from someone else.
>
> Remember this, you are not buying plans.... You are buying a serial # and
> support. You will have questions through the build and the folks at
> Zenith are who you want to talk to to get questions resolved. If you have
> no serial #, I wouldn't blame them for not answering any questions. In
> all fairness why should they. They are a company with a goal to make
> profit, not a charity. When you are all said and done with, you will find
> the 400 or so dollars for the plans isn't even a drop in the bucket.
>
> --------
> One Rivet at a Time!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170632#170632
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Hysteria |
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 09:05:37PM -0700, steve wrote:
> Are you Maynard that lives on Walts Way ????
Nope...Oakwood Drive.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Hysteria |
I used a certified exhaust system with pancake heat muffs and a single fuel line.
I push air across both heat muffs at all times.
Check out the S-LSA's fuel and exhaust system. The factory built had an exhaust
system with 5 times the length of exhaust pipe, 10 times the amount of exposed
(non-heat muffed and much hotter) surface and fuel lines running down both
sides of the engine. The amount of leverage or stress on the exhaust ports for
cylinders 1 and 2 are much greater on the S-LSA version.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170841#170841
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I got blasted by one of this sites members about four months ago. I
mentioned to the group that sometimes people are not who the claim to
be. Years ago I belonged to the AvidFlyer web group and this one
member who called himself "Wang Chung" was always giving out his
suggestions on how to build and fly Avids. Then Wang showed up on the
Jabiru site telling everyone his suggestions on the care and feeding of
the 2200 Jabby.
Then off he went to the KitFox website.
Anyway, we members communicated from one site to each other site because
of common interests and similar aircraft.
To shorten this up I ll tell you that Wang was busted. We knew he was
full of bad advice and didnt have a clue.... Wang was not a pilot. Was
not an aircraft owner and had absolutely no experience. He was a
wanna bee....
Again I m probably going to upset a few or maybe just one of you. I
read things that just dont make sense at times and I wonder.
In addition: if an aircraft company is having problems and not selling
the product they offer, yet Zenith is very successful, you might join a
group like Zenith Matronics and start bullshit rumors and keep bringing
up how dangerous the wings are etc......over and over again....
Sure we are all interested in having safe aircraft but the same people
keep bring up the dangerous problems the Zenith 601XL has.
Are you really interested or are you an undercover competitor trying to
stir up more B.S.
OK, time to dump on me....
Steve Weston
Im in the FAA registry and Landings.com
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