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1. 12:04 AM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD (Dirk Slabbert)
2. 03:56 AM - Re: Re: CH701 Warpdrive (Graeme Bell)
3. 05:06 AM - Monday Evening Chat Room (George Race)
4. 05:14 AM - Re: Bending 40 thou (ashontz)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: Ray Allen Position Sensor for Flaps (Mark Colbeck)
6. 06:00 AM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD (ga23)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (n801bh@netzero.com)
8. 06:43 AM - Re: Firewall spring back (anna Jones)
9. 06:46 AM - Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (T. Graziano)
10. 07:03 AM - Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Pete Krotje)
11. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Juan Vega)
12. 07:35 AM - Re: 701: Replace stab brackets? (Robert Hansen)
13. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Bryan Martin)
14. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Juan Vega)
15. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Jay Maynard)
16. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Juan Vega)
17. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (KEVINBONDS@comcast.net)
18. 08:37 AM - zodiac metal type (Adam V)
19. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
20. 08:47 AM - Re: zodiac metal type (Bill Steer)
21. 08:53 AM - Re: zodiac metal type (Bryan Martin)
22. 08:55 AM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD (Les Goldner)
23. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Bryan Martin)
24. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (John Bolding)
25. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Jaybannist@cs.com)
26. 09:51 AM - Re: zodiac metal type (Adam V)
27. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Dennis Shoup)
28. 10:10 AM - Re: Zodiac XL Cruise Speed with 80HP (MHerder)
29. 11:16 AM - Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (Gig Giacona)
30. 11:30 AM - Re: Firewall spring back (cookwithgas)
31. 11:34 AM - Positive Flap Position (George Race)
32. 12:19 PM - Re: Positive Flap Position (Dirk Slabbert)
33. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (steve)
34. 01:53 PM - Re: Positive Flap Position (ronlee)
35. 02:43 PM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD (n801bh@netzero.com)
36. 03:08 PM - Re: zodiac metal type (John Marzulli)
37. 04:07 PM - Re: Zodiac XL Cruise Speed with 80HP (Matt Ronics)
38. 04:14 PM - brs chute handle (Tracy)
39. 04:34 PM - Re: Positive Flap Position (Ronald Steele)
40. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac XL Cruise Speed with 80HP (John Short)
41. 05:24 PM - Re: Positive Flap Position (MaxNr@aol.com)
42. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (ROBERT SCEPPA)
43. 05:43 PM - Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane (ashontz)
44. 05:55 PM - Re: Positive Flap Position (Graeme)
45. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Positive Flap Position (steve)
46. 06:39 PM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD (Gary Gower)
47. 06:46 PM - Drawing 6-LRO-1 (pavel569)
48. 07:58 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 03/23/08 (Jimmy Mathis)
49. 08:19 PM - Death of my Harley (LRM)
50. 08:36 PM - Re: Drawing 6-LRO-1 (Larry Winger)
51. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: Firewall spring back (Larry Winger)
52. 09:57 PM - Re: brs chute handle (Les Goldner)
53. 10:44 PM - Re: Re: Seats: seat backs, cushions, and upholstery (Terry Phillips)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD |
Les, there are some other versions on the list too, this is what I done.
Full up is actually + 2 to 3 deg, for a slightly better cruise, down
limit is 12 to 15 deg.
The result remains to be seen........
All the best,
Dirk.
Piketberg SA
ZU SUZ
Stol 701 ( dual stick, wide body)
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Goldner
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD
My left arm is weak because of an old shoulder injury so I found it
difficult extending the flaps on my new 701. It took two hands, so
whenever I used the flaps I had to let go the stick, and the plane would
start to dive before I regained control. not good close to the ground!
So I looked around for alternatives. I rejected electric flaps because
I didn't want to increase the potential for failures (shorts, motor
burn-outs, etc). Michael Heintz at Quality Sport Plane in Northern Ca.
came to the rescue with the perfect solution, a flap handle with
mechanical advantage. It is very easy to deploy the flaps using this
device and even gives a few more degrees of flap if you need them (see
two attached pictures). You can visit Quality Sport at
http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_023.htm if you are interested
in purchasing one.
FYI, Michael and Quality Sport were very helpful during the
construction of my 701, and Michael is an excellent 701 pilot. A
back-country flying DVD, which was produced by Christopher Desmond,
features flying by Michael (and Christopher). This DVD is really great!
The photography and the STOL flying far exceed anything I have ever
seen; Hollywood couldn't do better! Cameras were mounted on the wing,
inside the cockpit, and looking up from the ground. Flights go into
canyons, land on river banks, and fly from small gravel and grass
strips. This video is truly spectacular. If you're interested, I
recommend previewing the DVD on YouTube at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o or contact Christopher to
order the full DVD at http://www.stol-adventures.com/.
Regards,
Les
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Warpdrive |
I have test run the 912 extra at 12.5 degrees I got 4800 rpm static.
I intend to change to 11 when I get som propper aircraft Quailty nuloc
nuts as some of the bolt shop ones won't do 120in lbs
before Stripping.
I may have to go less pitch as I only expect 90-95hp from the motor.
Will check next weekend after ground run again.
GraemeCNS
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Goldner
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Warpdrive
I have a 3-blade Warpdrive on my 701 with a 100HP Rotax and found 11.2
better than 12-degrees. 12 would only give a maximum static RPM of about
5100.
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:32 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Warpdrive
thanks
I will start at 12
Graemecns
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: bob
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Warpdrive
Graemecns,
I fly a 701 with the 100 hp Rotax and have found that 11 to 12
degree is about right. With 12 degree you will just go to 5800 in full
power cruise and to only about 5400 in a 60 mph climb. I think you will
find that 17 will be far to much.
Bob Kissell N701UB with 47 hour.
----- Original Message -----
From: Graeme
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Warpdrive
Thanks for the values I have read more closly and am ok with
torque for my prop now.
I am going to try 17 derees to start and check it static and
adjust
Graemecns
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin L. Rupert
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Warpdrive
This was taken right from the Warp Drive web page
Propeller Torque Values
Propeller Bolt Torque Values--All Standard, HP and HPL hubs
that use 1/4" bolts to clamp the blades in the hub should be tightened
to 120 inch pounds. All Rotax bolt patterns that use 8 mm bolts to
clamp the blades in the hub should be tightened to 175 inch pounds. All
Standard, HP and HPL hubs that use 3/8" bolts to clamp the blades or
mount the prop should be tightened to 35 foot pounds. Warp Drive
propeller installations on direct-drive aircraft engines and other
engines used on airboats must tighten the 5/16" clamping bolts to 200
inch pounds and tighten the 1/2" flange mounting bolts to 60 foot
pounds. Torque 8mm bolts which attach the propeller hub to the engine
flange to 175 inch pounds. Adherence to these torque values is
imperative for reasons of safety.
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| Subject: | Monday Evening Chat Room |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around
8:00 PM Eastern (Daylight Savings Time now in effect)
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
George
CH-701 N73EX (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 40 thou |
Thanks. I should draw up some plans for it and sell them. I liked Larry McFarland's
brake, but I didn't have a milling machine or lathe at my disposal at the
time, so I designed this one to be made with no more than simple hand tools and
a bandsaw. I've beefed it up here and there as I've used it and found it's
original design flaws and limitations. I can now bend pretty much anything I need
on it now. If you go with the rear spar splice it's all you need for a 601HD,
HDS, or XL. I think the materials came to about $350.
ifly4fun2(at)sbcglobal.ne wrote:
> Andy,
> Nice....Is see a business opportunity, when are you going into production?
>
> Art
> 701 Scratchin'
> --- ashontz wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Check out my 8' brake. I've bent 6' .040 on it. Extra clamps involved, but
it didn't budge in
> > the clamp.
> >
> > http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=ashontz&project 77&category=0&log 7195&row=154
> >
> >
> > Jugle wrote:
> > > Hi Scratchbuilders,
> > >
> > > I've found a bit of info searching here but I'd like to know how some of
you solved it.
> > >
> > > I built Dave Clay's bending brake as per the plans at www.ch601.org and it has been working
> > fine for thinner material, but today I experimented with some 0.040 flanges.
They keep slipping
> > under the top plate and the effort required has begun pulling the rivets on
the piano hinge.
> > >
> > > Do I:
> > > 1. Farm those bits out to a sheetmetal shop?
> > > 2. Add more bolts between the existing ones to hold it firmer?
> > > 3. Bend the material while its wider then cut down later... this surely
results in a lot of
> > waste?
> > >
> > > How did you do it?
> > >
> > > Incidentally, Dave's www.daves601xl.com hasn't been live for a while. Does anyone know if he's
> > still building?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Glenn.
> >
> >
> > --------
> > Andy Shontz
> > CH601XL - Corvair
> > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172072#172072
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Position Sensor for Flaps |
Thanks for the input. I think I got it figured now.
--------
CH701
70% Complete
www.mykitlog.com/mcolbeck
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD |
While looking at your flap actuator pictures I saw there is a BRS handle there.
Could you provide some info/pictures about your BRS installation? I am going
to also install one on my CH 701 and I am not sure about type and location yet.
Thanks,
Greg
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| Subject: | NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
The devil is in the details... Fla tax code reads.. If you are from out
of state and come to Fla for vacation only, then there will be no tax im
posed. If you bring a plane to Fla for the purpose of doing business in
Fla you WILL be charged tax. Even if you are here for only a second... N
ow take that and multiply it by hundreds of show, demo and other planes
that are going to be displayed at S&F for the purpose of business. The p
romoter claims the tax man will not be there ramp checking out of state
planes. He cannot make such statements unless there is a emergengy inju
ction allowing for that specific issue. The Fla tax guys can and probabl
y will be at S&F legally and my gut feeling is someone is going to pay t
he piper....
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
Google found this on EAA's site but it has since disappeared. I wonder i
f it
was retracted:
Sun 'n Fun Calls Reports of Florida Use Tax Inaccurate
March 21, 2008 - Recent reports of "use taxes" being levied on airplanes
owned by non-resident visitors to Florida are not accurate, according to
officials at Sun 'n Fun Fly-In at Lakeland, Florida, whose annual aviati
on
season kick-off takes place the week of April 8-13. Sun 'n Fun has field
ed
numerous calls from concerned pilots and exhibitors worried about the re
port
and is looking to alleviate those concerns.
"I've talked with the General Counsel of the Florida Department of Reven
ue
and he assured me that, number 1, there will not be state tax agents doi
ng
ramp checks, and that out-of-state pilots have nothing to fear," said Jo
hn
Burton, Sun 'n Fun president. The Florida DoR informed Burton that the t
ax
affects only those owners who have purchased their airplane in another s
tate
(outside Florida) within the past six months, but who have the aircraft
titled and registered in Florida and have not paid Florida sales tax on
that
airplane.
Sun 'n Fun received correspondence from Florida Department of Revenue
Executive Director Lisa Echeverri dated March 19, 2008, that includes th
e
statement: "Florida does not assess a use tax on non-resident aircraft
owners in every circumstance where an aircraft is brought to Florida wit
hin
the first six months."
"It does not impact Sun 'n Fun exhibitors and aircraft dealers; it does
not
impact aircraft owners who have owned their aircraft for more than six
months," Burton said. "The idea of having somebody who has purchased an
airplane out of state and is not a resident of FL, getting charged a use
tax
here is absolutely ludicrous.
"It's a classic case of much ado about nothing."
Pat Phillips, a member of the EAA Legal Advisory Council as well as Sun
'n
Fun air show chairman and a fly-in director, is familiar with the situat
ion.
"If somebody goes out of state and buys an airplane in a state that char
ges
no sales tax and brings it to Florida, and the airplane is based in Flor
ida,
the buyer lives in Florida, and is using the airplane in Florida, yes, h
e
would owe a 6 percent use tax," he said.
"Now, if a transient aircraft comes into Florida from a state where they
have not paid sales tax on the aircraft or are just visiting here, they
would have no obligation to pay a use tax in the state of Florida just f
or
using their airplane while visiting in the state," he said. "And I belie
ve
constitutionally that would be in conflict with the commerce laws of the
U.S."
Phillips added, "If a person, willingly or innocently, avoids sales tax
by
buying out of state but bases his aircraft in Florida and lives in the
state, then the use tax obligation may apply. But for a person who simpl
y
flies down to Florida but lives in another state, he will not be assesse
d a
tax. It's preposterous to even think the state would impose a sales tax.
"
When EAA's Government Affairs department learned about the Florida use t
ax
story, it responded immediately by contacting its Legal Advisory Council
,
which worked with Sun 'n Fun management to get official clarification fr
om
the Florida Department of Revenue.
"This is a good example of how our staff, working with the council, was
able
to get to the bottom of this story and help clarify this situation," sai
d
Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and regulatory affairs.
"Hopefully this will put to rest the concerns of non-Florida residents w
ho
intend to fly into the state for Sun 'n Fun, or any time, for that matte
r."
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall spring back |
Hi Larry ,I built my firewall strictly to the plans and it worked
perfectly .It did not require any additional twicking. I belive it is
one of the better parts of my plane. As to how I got the angles correct
I don't remember ,must not be a big thing . Wade Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Winger
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall spring back
A quick follow up to my questions.
I do have quite a bit of experience in making form blocks for my
rudder, horizontal stab, flaps, ailerons and wing ribs. I'm really
asking about the uniqueness of this part's material (galvanized steel)
and the open flanges (3 and 14 degrees).
Thanks again.
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:36 PM, lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com>
wrote:
Fellow scratch builders,
I'm making the form blocks for my 601XL firewall. Any words of
advice on how to taper the top (14 degrees open), sides (3 degrees open)
and bottom (10 degree closed)?
Also, any special tips of forming the .018" galvanized steel?
Thanks.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair from scratch
Control surfaces and wings complete.
Bottom rear fuselage done
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
See partial excerpt from today's Aero-News at webmaster@aero-news.net
Tony Graziano
601XL; N493TG
Additional Experts Weigh In On Risks Of FL Use Tax Exposure
SnF Misdirection Appears To Have Been Horribly Off Mark
Despite the assertions of one aviation event that ANN (and other media)
reports of potential hazards and/or exposure to FL Tax penalties, a
staggering amount of evidence continues to pour into ANN to prove that
the Aero-News Network (along with exceptional work by AOPA and FATA) has
gotten the story right all along.
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| Subject: | NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
This story has been making the rounds since Aero News Network published it.
See the Sun N Fun response attached. I think it is somewhat reflective of
the ongoing war between Sun N Fun and the ANN editor.
Pete
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ZodieRocket
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:15 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
True or Not I cannot confirm as I do not have first hand knowledge, but be
VERY concerned !!!
Folks I do not know much about this issue other then what is written below,
but be advised this will also carry to your homebuilt and LSA from a call I
had heard. SO if your aircraft is less then 1 yr old be cautious of crossing
the Florida state line. This may be a hoax, but I have been told that one
plane has been confirmed in owing payment from a respected source.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/>
Should New Aircraft Owners 'Avoid Florida?'
Welcome To The Sunshine State... NOT
<http://www.aero-news.net/EmailArticle.cfm?ContentBlockID=b8527739-b125-4922
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<http://www.aero-news.net/EmailArticle.cfm?ContentBlockID=b8527739-b125-4922
-a224-cf789ea94039#d#d> It appears Florida's tax personnel are targeting new
airplane owners in ways that do not exactly make them feel welcome to the
state.
Over the course of the last few weeks, ANN has learned of a number of issues
that have arisen when owners of new aircraft, generally within the first six
months of the sale, have been targeted for "use tax" by agents of the
state's Department of Revenue... despite the fact that the targeted aircraft
were not owned or operated by state residents.
It starts like this... you buy a new or used aircraft and sign the bill of
sale... which starts "the clock." It is Florida's position that for the next
six months (possibly thereafter, though the burden of proof reportedly
changes at that point), the state has the right to exact the requisite "Use
Tax" (Sales Tax) for the fact you partook of the state's services unless you
can show an equivalent Use or Sales Tax receipt from another state...
In other words, for those of you who may have bought a $500K Cessna, Cirrus,
Columbia, etc... unless you can prove that you paid the equivalent use tax
in another state, you owe the state of Florida some $30K if you visited the
state in the first six months of your ownership. Mind you, if your sales/use
tax bill comes from a state that exacts LESS tax than Florida, the FL
Department of Revenue still expects you to pony up the difference... and if
you're from a state that exacts a minimum fee (like the few hundred dollars
for owners in South Carolina), they will bill you for the WHOLE
difference... and its up to you to fight them on it. No kidding.
It makes NO difference to the state if you have any property in Florida, or
whether you bought the airplane there, or if you have ANY business interests
whatsoever in the state... If Florida catches you here and if they can find
a way to stick you with a tax bill, they will.
According to the Florida Tax Code, "There shall be a presumption that any
aircraft, boat, mobile home, motor vehicle, or other vehicle purchased in
another state, territory of the United States, or the District of Columbia
but titled, registered, or licensed in this state is taxable except as
otherwise provided in subsection (26) of this rule. This presumption may be
rebutted only by documentary evidence that the person owning the aircraft,
boat, mobile home, or motor vehicle purchased the aircraft, boat, mobile
home, or motor vehicle in another state, territory of the United States, or
the District of Columbia six (6) months or more prior to the time it is
brought into this state. In order for such property to be presumed exempt as
purchased for use outside Florida, the person owning the aircraft, boat,
mobile home, motor vehicle, or other vehicle must provide documentary proof
that such property was used in other states, territories of the United
States, or the District of Columbia for six months or longer under
conditions which would lawfully give rise to the taxing jurisdiction of
another state, territory, or District of Columbia and any lawfully imposed
tax was paid to such state, territory, or District of Columbia before being
imported into this state. However, the rental or lease of any aircraft,
boat, mobile home, or motor vehicle which is used or stored in this state is
taxable without regard to its prior use or tax paid on the purchase outside
this state."
Why? Because they can. The very liberal Florida tax code allows them to tax
aircraft if they operate at any time during the first six months of a
purchase in the state... and according to some interpretations, there may be
some legal justification for Florida to tax you if you so much as fly OVER
the state.
This problem has been known for a while but recent ramp checks by FL DOR
personnel have apparently stepped up, and snagged at least one Cirrus owner
and a Meridian owner who came back to Florida to undertake flight training
in his new airplane. The Cirrus owner is on the hook for some $30K in
additional taxes... the Meridian owner -- well over $100K.
Welcome to Florida, folks, please remove the knife from your back as you
cross back over the state lines...
<http://www.aero-news.net/EmailArticle.cfm?ContentBlockID=b8527739-b125-4922
-a224-cf789ea94039#d#d>
<http://www.aero-news.net/EmailArticle.cfm?ContentBlockID=b8527739-b125-4922
-a224-cf789ea94039#d#d> A spokesperson for the FL DOR, Rene Watters, is
unapologetic for the issue, telling ANN that they are simply doing their
jobs and that if anyone has a problem with that, to "take it up with the
legislature." This matter, of course, can be appealed through the courts...
but this route necessitates expensive and time consuming litigation, via the
use of a trained tax attorney... and you may still lose, after all. Catch
22.
Other DOR staffers opine that aircraft owners have it particularly hard,
since they admit that RVs and boats get a somewhat more permissive treatment
from them, "...Probably due to better lobbying on the part of their industry
reps."
Regardless; it's spooking a number of aircraft owners... we spoke with an
avionics shop in Northern Florida that lost some business due to the concern
expressed by an aircraft owner over bringing his airplane into the state
shortly after he bought it, and Piper is reportedly NOT pleased about the
Meridian tax bill noted above... especially at a time when the state is
trying to con (uh, convince) Piper to locate the PiperJet facility within
the state.
We have a feeling that Piper CEO Jim Bass may have a few things to say, as a
result of these recent events, since anyone taking delivery at a Florida
Piper plant may find themselves with a tax bill, even if they leave the
state right away and never darken the state's borders again.
In the meantime, the recent escalation in DOR ramp inspections is getting
aggressive attention from the aviation business community -- and we expect
to get some feedback on the matter shortly... we'll update you as to what
occurs.
Portions Copyright C 1999-2008 by Aero-News Network, Inc. All rights
reserved.
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
if the plane has been registered six months or more prior to flight, it is not
an issue. the law is set up more for larger certified planes.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:43 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
>
>See partial excerpt from today's Aero-News at webmaster@aero-news.net
>Tony Graziano
>601XL; N493TG
>Additional Experts Weigh In On Risks Of FL Use Tax Exposure
>
>SnF Misdirection Appears To Have Been Horribly Off Mark
>Despite the assertions of one aviation event that ANN (and other media) reports
of potential hazards and/or exposure to FL Tax penalties, a staggering amount
of evidence continues to pour into ANN to prove that the Aero-News Network (along
with exceptional work by AOPA and FATA) has gotten the story right all along.
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| Subject: | Re: 701: Replace stab brackets? |
Yesterday I put my Stab brackets on and I have the updated ones. I watch the homebuilt
help cd to get things right. Are most people installing the brackets prior
to the fuselage build? If so is it easy to get them to fit right? I have
mine clecoed in place and have the right distance between them.
Rob
----- Original Message ----
From: "NYTerminat@aol.com" <NYTerminat@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:25:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701: Replace stab brackets?
Tony.
Yes you should upgrade to .063. I have the 912ULS with the slipper clutch and it
still shakes at shutdown. I just did mine after 140 hrs , no cracks on old ones
but I felt better safe than sorry, especially with all the 601's falling out
of the sky ;) JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No problem with duplicating the holes to the new piece for the A-5's.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 3/22/2008 9:52:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tbonsell@luxuria.com
writes:
Hi Guys
Well I finally ordered my 912ULS. Wow that is a lot of money.
Apparently the slipper clutch is standard now. Since the slipper
clutch reduces the nasty shutdown wag that has crack the stab mounts
on 701s, should I still replace those 7H2-6 mounts with the .063? If
anyone has done this, how much hassle was it? Did you manage to get
them in with the same A5 holes? Or did you bolt them in with AN3s?
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
Everything published on Aero News Network should be taken with a grain
of salt, especially when it refers to Sun'N'Fun. The man who runs ANN
has a long standing grudge against SNF and in fact has been banned
from the event for several years due to his often bizarre behavior. He
has filed many nuisance lawsuits against SNF and others. Every suit
has been dismissed. I think he has even sued one of the lawyers he
hired to sue SNF. He has a long history of resorting to character
assassination of anyone who publicly disagrees with him and any
advertiser who decides not to renew and ad in his publication. Do a
google search on "Zoom Campbell" for the whole story.
On Mar 24, 2008, at 9:43 AM, T. Graziano wrote:
> See partial excerpt from today's Aero-News at webmaster@aero-news.net
>
> Tony Graziano
> 601XL; N493TG
> Additional Experts Weigh In On Risks Of FL Use Tax Exposure
>
>
> SnF Misdirection Appears To Have Been Horribly Off Mark
>
> Despite the assertions of one aviation event that ANN (and other
> media) reports of potential hazards and/or exposure to FL Tax
> penalties, a staggering amount of evidence continues to pour into
> ANN to prove that the Aero-News Network (along with exceptional work
> by AOPA and FATA) has gotten the story right all along.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
Need we say more? The guy is a WACK!
Juan
See below article:
I was once a fan of Jim Campbell and U S Aviator Magazine. However Jim has lost
my respect, and that of many others, -- even though we still agree with some
of the things he writes -- because of his complete lack of journalistic ethics
and his pattern of retaliation against those who disagree with him.
After Jim began writing column after column complaining about how the "terrorists"
were trying to shut down US Aviator Magazine what came to my mind was "me
thinks he doth protest too much". Reading the Usenet forum rec.aviation.homebuilt
I found posts by former employees and associates of Jim Campbell.
A Magzine Editor and Publisher has a special responsibility because innacurate
writings sent to readers can unfairly damage individuals and companies, who have
little opportunity to tell their side of the story. Therefore honesty and objectivity
are critical for journalists. Many have questioned Jim Campbell's journalistic
honesty and objectivity. While it's true that some of the companies
to which he gives bad recommendations have had problems, many believe that for
most of the companies their problems are "not kissing up to Jim Campbell".
Many of the Campbell critics were former supporters, associates, even employees.
I soon found much documentation about how Jim Campbell reacts very harshly to any
critic, even to any perceived criticism, threatening legal action, denouncing
critics as "terrorists", claiming thousands of supporters, stating that documents
posted were forgeries, telephoning critics employers and making accusations
that the employer may be liable for the posting, etc. Click here for the
example of Jim Campbell's reaction to a critic that started me to question his
credibility and his tactics. These examples are links to a UseNet message archived
on Google Groups. Click here for typical example of Zoom's reaction to a
critic.
When I discovered that in 1980 Jim Campbell's Medical Cerificate was revoked following
an NTSB hearing, I became very suspicious. This revocation was due to
Jim's diagnosed personality disorder. For more information about this, read the
information elsewhere on this web page about Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
I obtained a copy of this NTSB transcript and found it interesting reading.
Jim Campbell often posted on UseNet claiming this document was a forgery. However
this copy was obtained legally from the NTSB. I suggest that you read the
transcript and make up your own mind about what type of person Jim Campbell
was in 1980, and then compare that to the present Jim Campbell.
April 1998 Jim Campbell sued me -- for posting a copy of a public record, NTSB
hearing SE-4661, on my web page -- and 14 others for posting comment critical
of him on Usenet.
US Aviator ceased publication for good in the fall of 1999, but Jim Campbell continues
as a "publisher" with an on-line web-based magazine and daily news service.
Although less controversial than US Aviator, Campbell uses Aero News Network
to criticize some of those that he has been critical of for years, i.e.,
The Sun 'n Fun Fly-In and Chuck Slusarczyk (CGS Aviation). Click here for an example
of how Zoom uses ANN just as he did US Aviator. Click here for a recent
example of Zoom's reaction to a critic.
John Ousterhout
April 19, 2005
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>Sent: Mar 24, 2008 10:36 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
>
>Everything published on Aero News Network should be taken with a grain
>of salt, especially when it refers to Sun'N'Fun. The man who runs ANN
>has a long standing grudge against SNF and in fact has been banned
>from the event for several years due to his often bizarre behavior. He
>has filed many nuisance lawsuits against SNF and others. Every suit
>has been dismissed. I think he has even sued one of the lawyers he
>hired to sue SNF. He has a long history of resorting to character
>assassination of anyone who publicly disagrees with him and any
>advertiser who decides not to renew and ad in his publication. Do a
>google search on "Zoom Campbell" for the whole story.
>
>
>On Mar 24, 2008, at 9:43 AM, T. Graziano wrote:
>
>> See partial excerpt from today's Aero-News at webmaster@aero-news.net
>>
>> Tony Graziano
>> 601XL; N493TG
>> Additional Experts Weigh In On Risks Of FL Use Tax Exposure
>>
>>
>> SnF Misdirection Appears To Have Been Horribly Off Mark
>>
>> Despite the assertions of one aviation event that ANN (and other
>> media) reports of potential hazards and/or exposure to FL Tax
>> penalties, a staggering amount of evidence continues to pour into
>> ANN to prove that the Aero-News Network (along with exceptional work
>> by AOPA and FATA) has gotten the story right all along.
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:36:18AM -0400, Bryan Martin wrote:
> Everything published on Aero News Network should be taken with a grain
> of salt, especially when it refers to Sun'N'Fun. The man who runs ANN
> has a long standing grudge against SNF and in fact has been banned
> from the event for several years due to his often bizarre behavior.
As I posted last night: It's not just Zoom Campbell who's raising this
alarm. AOPA is also reporting on this issue, and Phil Boyer has personally
talked about it at at least one pilot town meeting. See
http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080320fl.html .
Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
Need we say more? The guy is a WACK!
Juan
See below article:
I was once a fan of Jim Campbell and U S Aviator Magazine. However Jim has lost
my respect, and that of many others, -- even though we still agree with some
of the things he writes -- because of his complete lack of journalistic ethics
and his pattern of retaliation against those who disagree with him.
After Jim began writing column after column complaining about how the "terrorists"
were trying to shut down US Aviator Magazine what came to my mind was "me
thinks he doth protest too much". Reading the Usenet forum rec.aviation.homebuilt
I found posts by former employees and associates of Jim Campbell.
A Magzine Editor and Publisher has a special responsibility because innacurate
writings sent to readers can unfairly damage individuals and companies, who have
little opportunity to tell their side of the story. Therefore honesty and objectivity
are critical for journalists. Many have questioned Jim Campbell's journalistic
honesty and objectivity. While it's true that some of the companies
to which he gives bad recommendations have had problems, many believe that for
most of the companies their problems are "not kissing up to Jim Campbell".
Many of the Campbell critics were former supporters, associates, even employees.
I soon found much documentation about how Jim Campbell reacts very harshly to any
critic, even to any perceived criticism, threatening legal action, denouncing
critics as "terrorists", claiming thousands of supporters, stating that documents
posted were forgeries, telephoning critics employers and making accusations
that the employer may be liable for the posting, etc. Click here for the
example of Jim Campbell's reaction to a critic that started me to question his
credibility and his tactics. These examples are links to a UseNet message archived
on Google Groups. Click here for typical example of Zoom's reaction to a
critic.
When I discovered that in 1980 Jim Campbell's Medical Cerificate was revoked following
an NTSB hearing, I became very suspicious. This revocation was due to
Jim's diagnosed personality disorder. For more information about this, read the
information elsewhere on this web page about Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
I obtained a copy of this NTSB transcript and found it interesting reading.
Jim Campbell often posted on UseNet claiming this document was a forgery. However
this copy was obtained legally from the NTSB. I suggest that you read the
transcript and make up your own mind about what type of person Jim Campbell
was in 1980, and then compare that to the present Jim Campbell.
April 1998 Jim Campbell sued me -- for posting a copy of a public record, NTSB
hearing SE-4661, on my web page -- and 14 others for posting comment critical
of him on Usenet.
US Aviator ceased publication for good in the fall of 1999, but Jim Campbell continues
as a "publisher" with an on-line web-based magazine and daily news service.
Although less controversial than US Aviator, Campbell uses Aero News Network
to criticize some of those that he has been critical of for years, i.e.,
The Sun 'n Fun Fly-In and Chuck Slusarczyk (CGS Aviation). Click here for an example
of how Zoom uses ANN just as he did US Aviator. Click here for a recent
example of Zoom's reaction to a critic.
John Ousterhout
April 19, 2005
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>Sent: Mar 24, 2008 10:36 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
>
>Everything published on Aero News Network should be taken with a grain
>of salt, especially when it refers to Sun'N'Fun. The man who runs ANN
>has a long standing grudge against SNF and in fact has been banned
>from the event for several years due to his often bizarre behavior. He
>has filed many nuisance lawsuits against SNF and others. Every suit
>has been dismissed. I think he has even sued one of the lawyers he
>hired to sue SNF. He has a long history of resorting to character
>assassination of anyone who publicly disagrees with him and any
>advertiser who decides not to renew and ad in his publication. Do a
>google search on "Zoom Campbell" for the whole story.
>
>
>On Mar 24, 2008, at 9:43 AM, T. Graziano wrote:
>
>> See partial excerpt from today's Aero-News at webmaster@aero-news.net
>>
>> Tony Graziano
>> 601XL; N493TG
>> Additional Experts Weigh In On Risks Of FL Use Tax Exposure
>>
>>
>> SnF Misdirection Appears To Have Been Horribly Off Mark
>>
>> Despite the assertions of one aviation event that ANN (and other
>> media) reports of potential hazards and/or exposure to FL Tax
>> penalties, a staggering amount of evidence continues to pour into
>> ANN to prove that the Aero-News Network (along with exceptional work
>> by AOPA and FATA) has gotten the story right all along.
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
Why isn't this guy a member of the Zenith-list? He'd fit right in! ;)
Kevin Bonds
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>
> Need we say more? The guy is a WACK!
>
> Juan
> See below article:
>
> I was once a fan of Jim Campbell and U S Aviator Magazine. However Jim has lost
>
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| Subject: | zodiac metal type |
what is the type of aluminium used in this airplane?? know the thickness a
re .010 to about .125
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
Hey guys: I know it has not been settled yet, but things are working. For
example, this was posted on AOPA site on Thursday
>>
AOPA has been working with the Florida Department of Transportation and stat
e
lawmakers to resolve the issue. And now AOPA President Phil Boyer has
contacted Gov. Charlie Crist, asking him to put a moratorium on the tax unt
il
legislators can address the problem, especially with so many pilots about t
o visit
Florida for the annual Sun =99n Fun Fly-In.
_In a March 19 letter_ (http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2008/080320fl.pdf)
to the governor, Boyer warned that the aggressive tax enforcement is keepin
g
many general aviation pilots from visiting the state, which typically
receives 9 million visitors and $2.3 billion in revenue through GA each year
. AOPA
Expo is scheduled to be held in Tampa in 2009.
>>
keep em flyin
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| Subject: | Re: zodiac metal type |
I'm building a 601HD, not an XL, but all of the aluminum in my plane is
6061-T6, with the exception of the wing root fairings, which are 1100.
The minimum thickness is .016. Maximum is in the wing splice plates,
which are about 3/16" (don't have the plans in front of me).
Bill
Do not archive
Adam V wrote:
> what is the type of aluminium used in this airplane?? know the
> thickness are .010 to about .125
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: zodiac metal type |
All the Zenith aircraft are made of 6061-T6 aluminum.
On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Adam V wrote:
> what is the type of aluminium used in this airplane?? know the
> thickness are .010 to about .125
>
--
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD |
Your flap actuator looks good Dirk,
FYI, Michael warned me not to set the flaps up above the neutral position
for cruise. Have you found that this really improves speed?
Les
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Slabbert
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD
Les, there are some other versions on the list too, this is what I done.
Full up is actually + 2 to 3 deg, for a slightly better cruise, down limit
is 12 to 15 deg.
The result remains to be seen........
All the best,
Dirk.
Piketberg SA
ZU SUZ
Stol 701 ( dual stick, wide body)
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Goldner <mailto:lgold@quantum-associates.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD
My left arm is weak because of an old shoulder injury so I found it
difficult extending the flaps on my new 701. It took two hands, so whenever
I used the flaps I had to let go the stick, and the plane would start to
dive before I regained control. not good close to the ground!
So I looked around for alternatives. I rejected electric flaps because I
didn't want to increase the potential for failures (shorts, motor burn-outs,
etc). Michael Heintz at Quality Sport Plane in Northern Ca. came to the
rescue with the perfect solution, a flap handle with mechanical advantage.
It is very easy to deploy the flaps using this device and even gives a few
more degrees of flap if you need them (see two attached pictures). You can
visit Quality Sport at <http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_023.htm>
http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_023.htm if you are interested in
purchasing one.
FYI, Michael and Quality Sport were very helpful during the construction of
my 701, and Michael is an excellent 701 pilot. A back-country flying DVD,
which was produced by Christopher Desmond, features flying by Michael (and
Christopher). This DVD is really great! The photography and the STOL flying
far exceed anything I have ever seen; Hollywood couldn't do better! Cameras
were mounted on the wing, inside the cockpit, and looking up from the
ground. Flights go into canyons, land on river banks, and fly from small
gravel and grass strips. This video is truly spectacular. If you're
interested, I recommend previewing the DVD on YouTube at
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o or contact Christopher to order
the full DVD at <http://www.stol-adventures.com/>
http://www.stol-adventures.com/.
Regards,
Les
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
It wouldn't be the first time that a state greedy for additional
revenue ended up driving business out of state due to idiotic tax
policies. The next thing you know, the state officials will be
scratching their heads wondering why the unemployment rate in the
state is so high. I hope someone talks some sense into these morons.
On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> As I posted last night: It's not just Zoom Campbell who's raising this
> alarm. AOPA is also reporting on this issue, and Phil Boyer has
> personally
> talked about it at at least one pilot town meeting. See
> http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080320fl.html .
>
> Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
> --
--
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
He already is, under an assumed name, guess which one ???
John
----- Original Message -----
From: <KEVINBONDS@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
>
> Why isn't this guy a member of the Zenith-list? He'd fit right in! ;)
>
> Kevin Bonds
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Need we say more? The guy is a WACK!
>>
>> Juan
>> See below article:
>>
>> I was once a fan of Jim Campbell and U S Aviator Magazine. However Jim
>> has lost
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
Kinda' like "Know how to keep a turkey in suspense?"
"I'll tell you tomorrow."
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
"John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote:
>
>He already is, under an assumed name, guess which one ???
>
>John
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <KEVINBONDS@comcast.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:19 AM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
>
>
>>
>> Why isn't this guy a member of the Zenith-list? He'd fit right in! ;)
>>
>> Kevin Bonds
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Need we say more? The guy is a WACK!
>>>
>>> Juan
>>> See below article:
>>>
>>> I was once a fan of Jim Campbell and U S Aviator Magazine. However Jim
>>> has lost
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | zodiac metal type |
thanks
From: bryanmmartin@comcast.netTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zen
ith-List: zodiac metal typeDate: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:50:15 -0400All the Zen
ith aircraft are made of 6061-T6 aluminum.
On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Adam V wrote:
what is the type of aluminium used in this airplane?? know the thickness a
re .010 to about .125
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
And this from a state that survives on tourisim.
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
> It wouldn't be the first time that a state greedy for additional
> revenue ended up driving business out of state due to idiotic tax
> policies. The next thing you know, the state officials will be
> scratching their heads wondering why the unemployment rate in the
> state is so high. I hope someone talks some sense into these morons.
>
> On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> >
> > As I posted last night: It's not just Zoom Campbell who's raising this
> > alarm. AOPA is also reporting on this issue, and Phil Boyer has
> > personally
> > talked about it at at least one pilot town meeting. See
> > http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080320fl.html .
> >
> > Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
> > --
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac XL Cruise Speed with 80HP |
I have wondered about this from time to time, has anyone tried powering an XL with
a Jab 2200?
I know the manual calls for 80-120 hp. My thoughts are that climb would be affected
much more than cruise. I personally like the idea of having the extra power
to get you out of trouble, but would imagine that even with an 80hp it would
still probably out perform a Cherokee 140.
--------
One Rivet at a Time!
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
I'd really like to see them try to enforce the tax in a case where a buyer purchases
an airplane in say Arkansas on March 15th, flies to Orlando for even a long
30 day vacation and then flies back to Arkansas.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall spring back |
Hi Larry:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_17_04_Firewall.JPG
As you can see from the above picture it does not take superior intelligence to
build the firewall!
Just do it like all the other formed parts and it will be fine. It stays bent
better since it is steel.
Here are some more photos from the process:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_9_04_Firewall.JPG
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_9_04_FirewallCutting.JPG
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_17_04_FirewallParts.JPG
Keep Snipping and Hammering,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Omaha, NE
601XL/Corvair
Finished & Flying
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| Subject: | Positive Flap Position |
In a positing about 701 Flap Controls, Dirk Slabbert down in Piketberg SA
mentioned his idea to provide 2 to 3 degrees of positive flap position.
I wonder if anyone else has experimented with this idea and can report
results obtained. Used in conjunction with elevator trim, it would seem
that you would be able to "adjust" your level flight attitude for least drag
and best cruise fuel economy over a small range, by making this small change
Since I have incorporated electric flap control, it would be a very easy
adjustment to make when rigging the flaperon position.
George
CH-701 Kit (N73EX reserved)
Getting close to finish.
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| Subject: | Re: Positive Flap Position |
George, I think you got it right!
The idea is to somewhat smooth out the downwash from the main airfoil,
by setting the flaperon so it blows up slightly.
Remains to be seen!
Just for interest I made my rear stab, slightly adjustable, + or - 3
deg, to perhaps find the best cruise.
I have'nt worked on mine for 3 months, but at it again, now or never!
'Best,
Dirk.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Race
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Positive Flap Position
In a positing about 701 Flap Controls, Dirk Slabbert down in
Piketberg SA mentioned his idea to provide 2 to 3 degrees of positive
flap position.
I wonder if anyone else has experimented with this idea and can report
results obtained. Used in conjunction with elevator trim, it would seem
that you would be able to "adjust" your level flight attitude for least
drag and best cruise fuel economy over a small range, by making this
small change
Since I have incorporated electric flap control, it would be a very
easy adjustment to make when rigging the flaperon position.
George
CH-701 Kit (N73EX reserved)
Getting close to finish.
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
ok, we want names.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bolding" <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
> <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
>
> He already is, under an assumed name, guess which one ???
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KEVINBONDS@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
>
>
>>
>> Why isn't this guy a member of the Zenith-list? He'd fit right in! ;)
>>
>> Kevin Bonds
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Need we say more? The guy is a WACK!
>>>
>>> Juan
>>> See below article:
>>>
>>> I was once a fan of Jim Campbell and U S Aviator Magazine. However Jim
>>> has lost
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Positive Flap Position |
I have electric flaps on my 701. I am able to put in a few degrees ( maybe 10,
I can't remember) of positive angle, up on the trailing edge of flaperons, also
known as re flexing. I get 2-3 mph more speed in normal cruise (4800 RPM) without
changing the throttle setting. When I do this my nose comes up so I have
to trim it down to maintain level flight, indicating needing less down pressure
from the tail and less weight to the main wing. Is this a more efficient way
to cruise? it appears so. I love my 701 as much as the first time I flew it.
I now have over 100 hours on it. I fly it every chance I get.I built a Titan
that I could reflex the flaps and it helped the speed too. I then reflexed the
ailerons which gave me a bit more speed. It would stall at a bit higher speed
if I landed with reflexed flaps. I had no control over the ailerons though,
as they were set in a reflexed position all the time.Ron LeeTucson, AZ
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD |
Michael is right... On my 801 I set up my flaperons with about 3 degrees
of "reflex".. That's flaps set above neutral.... I lost 5 mph and the p
lane flew nose up.... They are back to the factory setting now.... Some
planes might be able to take advantage of reflex, The STOL series in not
in that group... YMMV
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Les Goldner" <lgold@quantum-associates.com> wrote:
Your flap actuator looks good Dirk,FYI, Michael warned me not to set the
flaps up above the neutral position for cruise. Have you found that thi
s really improves speed? Les
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Slabbert
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD
Les, there are some other versions on the list too, this is what I done.
Full up is actually + 2 to 3 deg, for a slightly better cruise, down li
mit is 12 to 15 deg. The result remains to be seen........ All the best,
Dirk.Piketberg SAZU SUZStol 701 ( dual stick, wide body) ----- Original
Message ----- From: Les Goldner To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun
day, March 23, 2008 9:26 PMSubject: Zenith-List: 701 Flap control soluti
on and flying DVD
My left arm is weak because of an old shoulder injury so I found it diff
icult extending the flaps on my new 701. It took two hands, so whenever
I used the flaps I had to l<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:sc
hemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />et go the stick, and the plane w
ould start to dive before I regained control=85 not good close to the gr
ound!
So I looked around for alternatives. I rejected electric flaps because I
didn=92t want to increase the potential for failures (shorts, motor bur
n-outs, etc). Michael Heintz at Quality Sport Plane in Northern Ca. came
to the rescue with the perfect solution, a flap handle with mechanical
advantage. It is very easy to deploy the flaps using this device and eve
n gives a few more degrees of flap if you need them (see two attached pi
ctures). You can visit Quality Sport at http://www.qualitysportplanes.co
m/qsp-2006_023.htm if you are interested in purchasing one. <?xml:namesp
ace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
FYI, Michael and Quality Sport were very helpful during the construction
of my 701, and Michael is an excellent 701 pilot. A back-country flying
DVD, which was produced by Christopher Desmond, features flying by Mich
ael (and Christopher). This DVD is really great! The photography and the
STOL flying far exceed anything I have ever seen; Hollywood couldn't do
better! Cameras were mounted on the wing, inside the cockpit, and looki
ng up from the ground. Flights go into canyons, land on river banks, an
d fly from small gravel and grass strips. This video is truly spectacula
r. If you=92re interested, I recommend previewing the DVD on YouTube at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o or contact Christopher to o
rder the full DVD at http://www.stol-adventures.com/.
Regards,
Les
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| Subject: | Re: zodiac metal type |
2024 series is a commonly approved substitute for Zenith aircraft. Of
course, contact Zenith before doing so.
-Good luck!
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
wrote:
> All the Zenith aircraft are made of 6061-T6 aluminum.
> On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Adam V wrote:
>
> what is the type of aluminium used in this airplane?? know the thickness
> are .010 to about .125
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac XL Cruise Speed with 80HP |
Already having on-hand a C-85, I called Zenith about using it in the XL. In summary,
I was advised that I probably wouldn't be pleased with the performance.
At the same time, I was told that this would be an excellent engine in a 601HD/S.
Of note you are asking for "cruise speed" with the 80hp engine. Note that, generally
speaking, it is climb performance, and not cruise, that is effected more
by changing cubes. For example, using Van's numbers for the RV-4, increasing
the HP 17% will give you a 6% improvement in cruise and a 25% improvement in
climb.
Having thought this through in the past, I recall coming to the conclusion that
the XL with 85hp would perform like a C-150. I spoke with one 601HD (standard
fat wing) owner with a C-85...his numbers were very close to or less than those
of a C-150.
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| Subject: | brs chute handle |
can anyone tell me where they put the ativation handle in there 701?
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| Subject: | Re: Positive Flap Position |
The CTSW light sport plane by Flight Design actually uses positive
flap position for cruise flight. I think it's about 6deg.
Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George Race
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:27 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Positive Flap Position
>
> In a positing about 701 Flap Controls, Dirk Slabbert down in
> Piketberg SA mentioned his idea to provide 2 to 3 degrees of
> positive flap position.
>
> I wonder if anyone else has experimented with this idea and can
> report results obtained. Used in conjunction with elevator trim,
> it would seem that you would be able to "adjust" your level flight
> attitude for least drag and best cruise fuel economy over a small
> range, by making this small change
>
> Since I have incorporated electric flap control, it would be a very
> easy adjustment to make when rigging the flaperon position.
>
> George
> CH-701 Kit (N73EX reserved)
> Getting close to finish.
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://
> www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://
> forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
> www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac XL Cruise Speed with 80HP |
Would you be interested in selling the C-85?
John (Scratch building 701)
Kaufman, Tx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Ronics" <e_jocular@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac XL Cruise Speed with 80HP
>
> Already having on-hand a C-85, I called Zenith about using it in the XL.
> In summary, I was advised that I probably wouldn't be pleased with the
> performance. At the same time, I was told that this would be an excellent
> engine in a 601HD/S.
>
> Of note you are asking for "cruise speed" with the 80hp engine. Note
> that, generally speaking, it is climb performance, and not cruise, that is
> effected more by changing cubes. For example, using Van's numbers for
> the RV-4, increasing the HP 17% will give you a 6% improvement in cruise
> and a 25% improvement in climb.
>
> Having thought this through in the past, I recall coming to the conclusion
> that the XL with 85hp would perform like a C-150. I spoke with one 601HD
> (standard fat wing) owner with a C-85...his numbers were very close to or
> less than those of a C-150.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172354#172354
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Positive Flap Position |
Most competition sailplanes use reflex flaps and I heard that Maule uses 7
degree reflex in cruise.
Bob Dingley
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
> The morons in my state want to charge a sales tax
> on all homebuilts. The last governor we had removed
> it and that was Romney, now the present idiot wants
> it put back. NH got it right "Live free or die"
--- Dennis Shoup <zenith601xl@gmail.com> wrote:
> And this from a state that survives on tourisim.
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Bryan Martin
> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> >
> > It wouldn't be the first time that a state greedy
> for additional
> > revenue ended up driving business out of state due
> to idiotic tax
> > policies. The next thing you know, the state
> officials will be
> > scratching their heads wondering why the
> unemployment rate in the
> > state is so high. I hope someone talks some sense
> into these morons.
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Jay Maynard wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > As I posted last night: It's not just Zoom
> Campbell who's raising this
> > > alarm. AOPA is also reporting on this issue, and
> Phil Boyer has
> > > personally
> > > talked about it at at least one pilot town
> meeting. See
> > >
>
http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080320fl.html
> .
> > >
> > > Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is
> not.
> > > --
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Martin
> > N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> > do not archive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
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| Subject: | Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane |
This sounds more accurate. Even so, just shows you what a pathetic state Florida
is. Don't get me wrong, I love it there, but they went and thought this housing
bubble was going to be permanent and after they ramped up and got used to
their extra revenue from property tax, now that it's drying up because, well,
it was a bubble, now they're looking for cash anywhere they can get it. That place
is toast. No, everyone IS NOT moving there, in fact just a quick look at
the one way U-Haul rates to FL vs from FL, it's obvious people are leaving due
to the ridiculous cost of living down there now. Everyone will be moving to FL
just as soon as they sell their houses up north which were HELOCed to buy the
inflated vacation property (or 5) down in FL.
"I've talked with the General Counsel of the Florida Department of Revenue
and he assured me that, number 1, there will not be state tax agents doing
ramp checks, and that out-of-state pilots have nothing to fear," said John
Burton, Sun 'n Fun president. The Florida DoR informed Burton that the tax
affects only those owners who have purchased their airplane in another state
(outside Florida) within the past six months, but who have the aircraft
titled and registered in Florida and have not paid Florida sales tax on that
airplane.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Positive Flap Position |
I think you will find the CH 701 flies to slow to be helped by fositive
flap.
a reduction in negative from spec creates a higher nose attitude.
Graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Steele
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Positive Flap Position
The CTSW light sport plane by Flight Design actually uses positive
flap position for cruise flight. I think it's about 6deg.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: George Race
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Positive Flap Position
In a positing about 701 Flap Controls, Dirk Slabbert down in
Piketberg SA mentioned his idea to provide 2 to 3 degrees of positive
flap position.
I wonder if anyone else has experimented with this idea and can
report results obtained. Used in conjunction with elevator trim, it
would seem that you would be able to "adjust" your level flight attitude
for least drag and best cruise fuel economy over a small range, by
making this small change
Since I have incorporated electric flap control, it would be a
very easy adjustment to make when rigging the flaperon position.
George
CH-701 Kit (N73EX reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Positive Flap Position |
I used 3 degrees negative on my Avid and it would get a long 14 knots
faster than zero flap. Also I had 1 1/2 neg on my Kestrel 17 meter
sailplane. Awesome difference in speeds..
Steve
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From: MaxNr@aol.com
To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Positive Flap Position
Most competition sailplanes use reflex flaps and I heard that Maule
uses 7 degree reflex in cruise.
Bob Dingley
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| Subject: | 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD |
No tht position will not help in speed... Been there, done that :-(
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S 168 hrs.
Not brave enough to test the "no slats vortex" thing :-)
Do not archive.
Les Goldner <lgold@quantum-associates.com> wrote:
Your flap actuator looks good Dirk,
FYI, Michael warned me not to set the flaps up above the neutral position for
cruise. Have you found that this really improves speed?
Les
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Slabbert
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD
Les, there are some other versions on the list too, this is what I done.
Full up is actually + 2 to 3 deg, for a slightly better cruise, down limit is
12 to 15 deg.
The result remains to be seen........
All the best,
Dirk.
Piketberg SA
ZU SUZ
Stol 701 ( dual stick, wide body)
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Goldner
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD
My left arm is weak because of an old shoulder injury so I found it difficult
extending the flaps on my new 701. It took two hands, so whenever I used the
flaps I had to let go the stick, and the plane would start to dive before I
regained control not good close to the ground!
So I looked around for alternatives. I rejected electric flaps because I didnt want to increase the potential for failures (shorts, motor burn-outs, etc). Michael Heintz at Quality Sport Plane in Northern Ca. came to the rescue with the perfect solution, a flap handle with mechanical advantage. It is very easy to deploy the flaps using this device and even gives a few more degrees of flap if you need them (see two attached pictures). You can visit Quality Sport at http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_023.htm if you are interested in purchasing one.
FYI, Michael and Quality Sport were very helpful during the construction of my 701, and Michael is an excellent 701 pilot. A back-country flying DVD, which was produced by Christopher Desmond, features flying by Michael (and Christopher). This DVD is really great! The photography and the STOL flying far exceed anything I have ever seen; Hollywood couldn't do better! Cameras were mounted on the wing, inside the cockpit, and looking up from the ground. Flights go into canyons, land on river banks, and fly from small gravel and grass strips. This video is truly spectacular. If youre interested, I recommend previewing the DVD on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o or contact Christopher to order the full DVD at http://www.stol-adventures.com/.
Regards,
Les
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I've just started to work on 601XL right wing. I found a note on drawing 6-W-7
"LONG RANGE TANK: NOSE RIB #4 IS REPOSITIONED SEE 6-LRO-1".
I can't find that drawing anywhere. Is it a bug or am I missing something?
--------
Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172408#172408
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 57 Msgs - 03/23/08 |
To ahontz
I have the kit not just the stinkin rudder.
Jimmy
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> 1. 01:27 AM - XL forward fuselage top thickness
> (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
> 2. 04:07 AM - Re: CNC drilled pilot holes
> (Larry H)
> 3. 04:29 AM - Re: Bending 40 thou (Jugle)
> 4. 04:56 AM - Used engine sources (James E.
> Lanier)
> 5. 05:09 AM - Re: Used engine sources
> (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
> 6. 06:23 AM - Re: Used engine sources (John
> Short)
> 7. 06:36 AM - Re: Used engine sources (Clyde
> Barcus)
> 8. 06:38 AM - Re: CNC drilled pilot holes
> (Jaybannist@cs.com)
> 9. 06:49 AM - Re: XL forward fuselage top
> thickness (Jaybannist@cs.com)
> 10. 07:43 AM - Re: XL forward fuselage top
> thickness (LarryMcFarland)
> 11. 08:38 AM - Re: XL forward fuselage top
> thickness (Tim Juhl)
> 12. 09:12 AM - Re: 701: Replace stab brackets?
> (ricklach)
> 13. 09:49 AM - Re: Used engine sources (Gig
> Giacona)
> 14. 10:02 AM - Ray Allen Position Sensor for
> Flaps (Mark Colbeck)
> 15. 10:46 AM - Ray Allen Position Sensor for
> Flaps (Craig Payne)
> 16. 11:12 AM - Re: Ray Allen Position Sensor for
> Flaps (Jaybannist@cs.com)
> 17. 12:34 PM - 701 Flap control solution and
> flying DVD (Les Goldner)
> 18. 12:34 PM - Non-hinged ailerons with
> autopilot (Ronald Steele)
> 19. 12:57 PM - Re: XL forward fuselage top
> thickness (Aerolitellc@aol.com)
> 20. 01:08 PM - trade 601xl fuselage and tail kit
> (Jimmy Mathis)
> 21. 01:21 PM - Re: Non-hinged ailerons with
> autopilot (Craig Payne)
> 22. 02:16 PM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and
> flying DVD (kmccune)
> 23. 02:23 PM - Re: Used engine sources
> (kmccune)
> 24. 02:55 PM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and
> flying DVD (rroberts)
> 25. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Used engine sources
> (n801bh@netzero.com)
> 26. 03:39 PM - Re: Ray Allen Position Sensor for
> Flaps (Terry Phillips)
> 27. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: 701 Flap control solution
> and flying DVD (Les Goldner)
> 28. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: 701 Flap control solution
> and flying DVD (Les Goldner)
> 29. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: 701 Flap control solution
> and flying DVD (Craig Payne)
> 30. 04:53 PM - Re: Non-hinged ailerons with
> autopilot (Bryan Martin)
> 31. 05:22 PM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and
> flying DVD (rroberts)
> 32. 05:38 PM - Re: Non-hinged ailerons with
> autopilot (Ronald Steele)
> 33. 05:56 PM - Re: 701 Flap control solution and
> flying DVD (kmccune)
> 34. 06:15 PM - Re: trade 601xl fuselage and tail
> kit (ashontz)
> 35. 06:16 PM - Re: Ray Allen Position Sensor for
> Flaps (ashontz)
> 36. 06:17 PM - Re: Bending 40 thou (ashontz)
> 37. 06:20 PM - Re: Bending 40 thou (ashontz)
> 38. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: trade 601xl fuselage and
> tail kit (Gary Boothe)
> 39. 06:27 PM - Re: Bending 40 thou (Jugle)
> 40. 06:27 PM - Re: Bending 40 thou (ashontz)
> 41. 06:31 PM - Re: 5th Bearing - What is the
> Purpose? (ashontz)
> 42. 06:34 PM - Re: 5th Bearing - What is the
> Purpose? (ashontz)
> 43. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Bending 40 thou (Art
> Olechowski)
> 44. 06:51 PM - Re: Used engine sources
> (kmccune)
> 45. 07:19 PM - Re: 5th Bearing - What is the
> Purpose? (kmccune)
> 46. 07:30 PM - Re: 5th Bearing - What is the
> Purpose? (Ron Lendon)
> 47. 07:40 PM - Firewall spring back (lwinger)
> 48. 08:35 PM - Re: CNC drilled pilot holes
> (JohnDRead@aol.com)
> 49. 08:56 PM - Re: CNC drilled pilot holes
> (sundaypilot)
> 50. 09:08 PM - jRe: Non-hinged ailerons with
> autopilot (T. Graziano)
> 51. 09:17 PM - NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New Plane
> (ZodieRocket)
> 52. 09:40 PM - Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New
> Plane (Jay Maynard)
> 53. 09:52 PM - Re: Firewall spring back (Larry
> Winger)
> 54. 09:56 PM - Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New
> Plane (Craig Payne)
> 55. 10:14 PM - Re: NOTAM : FLORIDA in a New
> Plane (Craig Payne)
> 56. 10:40 PM - Re: Re: CNC drilled pilot holes
> (Terry Phillips)
> 57. 11:02 PM - Re: Re: CNC drilled pilot holes
> (Terry Phillips)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 01:27:50 AM PST US
> From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott@cox.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: XL forward fuselage top
> thickness
>
> Looking for experience & opinions - I have made a
> pattern and am ready
> to cut the forward fuselage top skin (6C1-4). I
> find that the while the
> plans show it to be .020, some of the kits and
> factory built aircraft
> have it as .025.
>
> I do plan to modify the sheet as many have, so that
> the section between
> the panel side angles, firewall and instrument panel
> is removable via
> lots of #8 screws, and the section where the canopy
> rail goes is riveted
> in place.
>
> Estimating the area as 4 sq.ft., the weight
> difference between the .020
> skin and the .025 skin would be ~103.5 gms, which is
> less than 4 ounces.
>
> SO... Anyone have any comments about whether to use
> the .020 or the .025
> material, especially in terms of holding up in use
> and maintenance?
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
> N601GE (reserved)
> 601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
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| Subject: | Death of my Harley |
I have posted the reasons for removing my Harley from Skyhawg on my site
(www.skyhawg.com. I'm not mad or seeking revenge or anything like that,
but the facts are what they are. It is a lesson (a very expensive one)
in doing one's homework. Draw you own conclusions if you are
considering, or know anyone considering using a Harley in a 701.
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing 6-LRO-1 |
I remember thinking the same thing. I'm guessing that what used to be a
"Long Range Option" (hence LRO) has since become the more standard
configuration. 6-W-7 is all about how to lay out your main and rear spars
for the long range tanks. The standard tank equivalent is 6-K-0.
Larry Winger
601XL/Corvair
Scratchbuilding
Tustin, CA
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:43 PM, pavel569 <pm569@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've just started to work on 601XL right wing. I found a note on drawing
> 6-W-7 "LONG RANGE TANK: NOSE RIB #4 IS REPOSITIONED SEE 6-LRO-1".
> I can't find that drawing anywhere. Is it a bug or am I missing something?
>
> --------
> Pavel
> CA
> Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall spring back |
Thanks, guys. I'm going with the KISS method that you've outlined. Making
flat flanges that are later tweaked makes life a lot easier for me. I'm off
to bend some metal.
Larry Winger
Do Not Archive
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:26 AM, cookwithgas <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi Larry:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_17_04_Firewall.JPG
>
> As you can see from the above picture it does not take superior
> intelligence to build the firewall!
>
> Just do it like all the other formed parts and it will be fine. It stays
> bent better since it is steel.
>
> Here are some more photos from the process:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_9_04_Firewall.JPG
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_9_04_FirewallCutting.JPG
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/7_17_04_FirewallParts.JPG
>
> Keep Snipping and Hammering,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
> Omaha, NE
> 601XL/Corvair
> Finished & Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172274#172274
>
>
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| Subject: | brs chute handle |
Tracy,
I put the BRS handle where I could easily install it and reach it quickly.
It is at the bottom front of my seat near the flap handle. Since I also have
a throttle quadrant in this area, I made certain the handle is oriented
forward-aft and not cross-cockpit like the other controls. I also decided to
leave the safety pin in the BRS handle since it can be removed easily if I
have to deploy the chute. See pic attached.
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tracy
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:09 PM
> To: zenith-list: matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: brs chute handle
>
>
> can anyone tell me where they put the ativation handle in there 701?
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seats: seat backs, cushions, and upholstery |
When I visited my tech counselor's hangar I checked out his RV-6 seatbacks.
As noted by Klaus, they are lightweight and strong. As installed in the
RV-6 they are easily adjustable. The location of the seatback bottom can be
moved between 3 positions by removing a hinge pin. The angle at the top can
be adjusted between three positions by a simple mechanism.
The following Kitlog entry shows similar seatbacks for a RV-7
http://tinyurl.com/3b65uo
Note the piano hinges on the bottom. The other half of the hinges can be
seen in
http://tinyurl.com/2t5g8j
The seat bottom adjustment mechanism is apparent in the second entry.
From Clayton's RV-6 drawings, the part no. for the seat back assembly is
F-637. Klaus says they are reasonably priced. I have not yet bought
anything from Van's, but I've heard they are willing to sell their product
to non-RV builders. I think they look like an easy, light weight way to
implement an adjustable seat in a 601.
Terry
At 04:07 PM 2/25/2008 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Another possible choice are the seatbacks used in the RV6. We used that in my
>plane. They are lightweight and strong.
>
>Happy building and flying,
>
>Klaus
>
>klaus@utdallas.edu
>www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
>>All,
>>
>>I'm working with the seats now too. I have found that there really are
>>three parts to the seats. These are the cushions, the seat backs, and the
>>upholstery.
>>
>>My manual suggests plywood as the seat back material. The fiberglass
>>(reinforced plastic) solution as shown on the CH601.org web site appears to
>>be a better solution. I guess I'll just have to learn to use fiberglass.
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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