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1. 04:34 AM - Letter From Chris (ZodieRocket)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: Elevator Limits (Cessna 172) (Tim Juhl)
3. 06:48 AM - Re: firewall forward kit for a 0-200 engine (Ashley)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: deburring tool (n85ae)
5. 07:48 AM - In-flight breakup (Dave Johnson)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: In-flight breakup (steve)
7. 09:14 AM - Moving rudder pedals forward (lwinger)
8. 09:17 AM - [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (Gig Giacona)
9. 09:32 AM - Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
10. 09:32 AM - Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
11. 10:28 AM - Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Sabrina)
12. 10:35 AM - Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (LarryMcFarland)
13. 10:55 AM - Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Larry Winger)
14. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Larry Winger)
15. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Larry Winger)
16. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Ronald Steele)
17. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Letter from Chris (Darrell Haas)
18. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: deburring tool (Lee Steensland)
19. 12:17 PM - Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (steve)
20. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Jaybannist@cs.com)
21. 12:23 PM - Re: firewall forward kit for a 0-200 engine (Iberplanes IGL)
22. 12:25 PM - Re: deburring tool (dfmoeller)
23. 12:54 PM - SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (John Reinking)
24. 01:09 PM - Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Sabrina)
25. 01:12 PM - Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (Larry H)
26. 01:26 PM - [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (Sabrina)
27. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Craig Payne)
28. 01:45 PM - Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (Trainnut01@aol.com)
29. 02:02 PM - Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Sabrina)
30. 02:08 PM - Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (Gig Giacona)
31. 02:18 PM - Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (David Downey)
32. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (James E. Lanier)
33. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
34. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (James E. Lanier)
35. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
36. 02:34 PM - Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? (Jerry Hey)
37. 03:06 PM - Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Sabrina)
38. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Leo Gates)
39. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (n801bh@netzero.com)
40. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Jaybannist@cs.com)
41. 04:06 PM - Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Sabrina)
42. 04:56 PM - Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup! (Matt Dralle)
43. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (James E. Lanier)
44. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Juan Vega)
45. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (steve)
46. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (James E. Lanier)
47. 06:16 PM - Re: Moving rudder pedals forward (Tim Juhl)
48. 06:28 PM - Re: Elevator Limits (Tim Juhl)
49. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION (Jay Maynard)
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| Subject: | Letter From Chris |
HI Group, as stated here is the letter from Chris Heintz, attached in
.pdf format. Most of you have read it but a few had problems finding it.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Limits (Cessna 172) |
The increase in gross weight was one of the reasons cited. Another was the problem
some pilots experienced if they initiated a go-around with full flaps extended.
There was also the long standing concern about full flaps blanking the
tail in a forward slip although I've intentionally tried to make that happen
with no success.
One of the things that surprised me was in checking aileron control movement was
that you used to be able to turn the wheel 90 to either side while on the 1985
model you were hitting the stops at maybe 50. Now - I will admit I did not
take a protractor and measure actual aileron deflections so maybe the change
wasn't that extreme. Anyone who has flown a very early 172 and a 1985 or later
model knows that they are two very different machines.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: firewall forward kit for a 0-200 engine |
I am building the 601XL with a O-200.
I ordered the cowl and engine mount from Zenith. I bought a C-150 baffle
off of E-bay. All other parts came from Aircraft Spruce. CAN-ZAC sent me a
list of parts needed.
The baffle kit works but must be cut down to make it fit, or you can look at
the pictures on the Zenith web sit and probably make one cheaper.
The cowling or airbox will have to be modified if you use a standard C-150
airbox.
Floyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "burbby" <burbby@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: firewall forward kit for a 0-200 engine
>
> Is there a firewall forward kit for the 0-200?
>
> If so where is the best supplier?
>
> I would like a copy of a 601 XL with a 0-200 engine and tricycle gear and
> small fuel tanks.
>
> I think that will fix me up nicely..
>
>
> Thanks in advanced
>
> Gary Bassham
> 601 XL (N7601) resereved
> Millsap, TX
> 817-629-9445 Cell
>
>
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: deburring tool |
If you take the file, and modify it by grinding all the corners off of it
a chimpanzee could deburr without scratching panels. Which is pretty
much why I do it this way. :)
Jeff
> yeah - much faster. and all the possible residual scratches/gouges are running
parallel to the fastener pattern. Maybe you can do it correctly every time but
some out there will not - and having that scratch pattern is fatal every time
- just the time is variable.
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| Subject: | In-flight breakup |
I recently came across this NTSB report of a crash of a certified
aircraft which appears to have lost a wing in flight, probably as a
result of the pilot attempting unapproved maneuvers. Has anyone tried
this in a 601?
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 001212X18632&key=1
Dave Johnson
CH601XL
PLEASE do not archive!
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| Subject: | Re: In-flight breakup |
Well I can say that I did this "manuver" in my Cessna 172 on a long X
country once. Cessna has a trim wheel and after a minor adjustment, the
aircraft flew very well by its ownself.
That flight was one of my most memorable.
Now married I am not allowed to go on X countries.
S......
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Johnson
To: Zenith List
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:44 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: In-flight breakup
I recently came across this NTSB report of a crash of a certified
aircraft which appears to have lost a wing in flight, probably as a
result of the pilot attempting unapproved maneuvers. Has anyone tried
this in a 601?
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 001212X18632&key=1
Dave Johnson
CH601XL
PLEASE do not archive!
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| Subject: | Moving rudder pedals forward |
Because of my height (6'6"), I'm moving my rudder pedals forward. That involves
moving the pedal bearing channel (6-B-8-3) forward 2 inches. Of course it requires
removing the forward flange (down to the radius) where the lower engine
mount fitting must now overlap. This has all been discussed with Roger at ZAC.
My question is about the heel support. Logic would say that it should be moved
as well. Yes or no?
Thanks.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair from scratch
Control surfaces and wings complete.
Bottom rear fuselage and firewall done
Working on cabin floor
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? |
Since this Helen woman's post in the Yahoo group that started all this got posted
here I though it was fitting to share the post where she pretty much admits
that she is full of ....it.
>
> Fellow light sport enthusiasts,
>
> I would like to apologize and fully retract my statements made
> yesterday. While my intentions were benign, I inadvertently caused
> considerable harm with my earlier posting. I have learned that AMD is
> going strong and actually ramping up production. I am glad to hear so
> as I have heard many fine things about their aircraft. It was pointed
> out to me that the accident I pointed to was attributed to pilot error,
> not any sort of design issue with the aircraft. My own mechanic is a
> big AMD supporter and I know he would only favor an aircraft that he
> believed was built to high standards. In regards to the good folks at
> 610, I never intended to quote them and what I posted was hearsay from
> other sources, not fact let alone quotation. My statements were mine
> alone and any ill feelings or concern should be directed to me alone. I
> hope you will accept my retraction and apology.
>
> I have enjoyed my time on this list, but feel it is time for me to
> withdraw my membership. Thank you for the good conversation.
>
> Helen
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? |
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> ... the post where she pretty much admits that she is full of ....it.
>
> > I would like to apologize and fully retract my statements ... I
> > hope you will accept my retraction and apology.
Giving credit where due, it sounds more like a chivalrous and
respectable _mea culpa_ to me.
Ihab
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Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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| Subject: | Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? |
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> ... the post where she pretty much admits that she is full of ....it.
>
> > I would like to apologize and fully retract my statements ... I
> > hope you will accept my retraction and apology.
Giving credit where due, it sounds more like a chivalrous and
respectable _mea culpa_ to me.
Ihab
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
"My question is about the heel support. Logic would say that it should be moved
as well. Yes or no?"
No. By moving the heel plate 6B8-8 2 inches or 50+ mm forward, 6B15-3 would not
have 6B8-8 to mount to. If you then move the longerons the 6B15-3s mount
to, you would shorten the 6 other longerons (3 on each side) by about 15 percent
and weaken the structure. Not a good idea.
CH placed the 355mm distance specified in 6-B-15 there for a reason.
I used closed cell foam to close the gap like Andr van den Elsen:
http://home.tiscali.nl/a.vandenelsen/Cabin%20Floor/index.html
So too, leave enough room for differential breaking during taxi runs. Although
the toe breaks will clear during hard breaking on a landing because the nose
wheel is straight, a turn with differential breaking is another matter. This
was something the MISO specifically inspected on my aircraft. I was surprised
that it was an issue the FAA had with many experimental aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
Larry,
I'm not sure about the XL, but the heel support is gusseted to the
vertical sides on the rear face in the HD series.
You might consider making a heel support with a little more depth.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/rtinfwd.gif
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
lwinger wrote:
>
> Because of my height (6'6"), I'm moving my rudder pedals forward. That involves
moving the pedal bearing channel (6-B-8-3) forward 2 inches. Of course it
requires removing the forward flange (down to the radius) where the lower engine
mount fitting must now overlap. This has all been discussed with Roger at
ZAC.
>
> My question is about the heel support. Logic would say that it should be moved
as well. Yes or no?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Larry Winger
> Tustin, CA
> 601XL/Corvair from scratch
> Control surfaces and wings complete.
> Bottom rear fuselage and firewall done
> Working on cabin floor
> www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173430#173430
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
Larry,
Good catch. Yes, as Sabrina just pointed out in a separate posting, there
are structural considerations. I'll be leaving in position as designed.
Thanks.
Larry Winger
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:29 AM, LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
wrote:
>
> Larry,
> I'm not sure about the XL, but the heel support is gusseted to the
> vertical sides on the rear face in the HD series.
> You might consider making a heel support with a little more depth.
> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/rtinfwd.gif
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
Thanks, Sabrina. Looking ahead is always a good idea. I don't want to
throw off the side gusset and longerons, so I'll keep the closed cell foam
idea in mind as a good solution.
Larry Winger
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
Several on this list have said that moving the rudder pedals forward by 2
inches would still leave room for adequate braking. Roger at ZAC
concurred. I assumed they were taking into account differential braking
during taxi runs as well.
*Is there any builder who has moved the pedals forward could comment on
their real-world experience with this?* That would be ideal.
Another way of addressing it is to know how much clearance to the firewall
one has in full rudder deflection with full brakes on that side. If it is
less than 2 inches, then I will clearly have to adjust or go back to the
standard configuration.
Larry Winger
601XL/Corvair
Tustin, CA
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> So too, leave enough room for differential breaking during taxi runs.
> Although the toe breaks will clear during hard breaking on a landing
> because the nose wheel is straight, a turn with differential breaking is
> another matter. This was something the MISO specifically inspected on my
> aircraft. I was surprised that it was an issue the FAA had with many
> experimental aircraft.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
I'm not to the fuselage yet, but this definitely something of a
concern for me. I just looked at the pictures Sabrina referenced and it
struck me that most of us with longer legs also have longer feet, so
keeping the heel support as designed might just work out OK.
Ron
On Mar 29, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Sabrina wrote:
>
> "My question is about the heel support. Logic would say that it
> should be moved as well. Yes or no?"
>
> No. By moving the heel plate 6B8-8 2 inches or 50+ mm forward,
> 6B15-3 would not have 6B8-8 to mount to. If you then move the
> longerons the 6B15-3s mount to, you would shorten the 6 other
> longerons (3 on each side) by about 15 percent and weaken the
> structure. Not a good idea.
>
> CH placed the 355mm distance specified in 6-B-15 there for a reason.
>
> I used closed cell foam to close the gap like Andr van den Elsen:
>
> http://home.tiscali.nl/a.vandenelsen/Cabin%20Floor/index.html
>
> So too, leave enough room for differential breaking during taxi
> runs. Although the toe breaks will clear during hard breaking on a
> landing because the nose wheel is straight, a turn with
> differential breaking is another matter. This was something the
> MISO specifically inspected on my aircraft. I was surprised that
> it was an issue the FAA had with many experimental aircraft.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173448#173448
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Letter from Chris |
Found it. Thank you for your help.
Darrell
601 xl
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:00 PM, swater6 <waters.scott@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Darrell,
> It's on the Builders pages. Go to the XL drawing updates page. It's the
> first one.
>
> --------
> 601 XL kit N596SW reserved
> Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
>
> www.scottwaters.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173311#173311
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: deburring tool |
Thanks everyone, it appears to be a "cute gadget" however for what we
are doing probably a file is a "better gadget" than what they are pushing.
n85ae wrote:
>
> If you take the file, and modify it by grinding all the corners off of it
> a chimpanzee could deburr without scratching panels. Which is pretty
> much why I do it this way. :)
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>> yeah - much faster. and all the possible residual scratches/gouges are running
parallel to the fastener pattern. Maybe you can do it correctly every time
but some out there will not - and having that scratch pattern is fatal every time
- just the time is variable.
>>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173414#173414
>
>
>
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Lee Steensland
601XL/Corvair (7637L reserved) Kit/Scratch builder 0.0% complete!
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| Subject: | Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? |
So Long.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD?
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> Since this Helen woman's post in the Yahoo group that started all this got
> posted here I though it was fitting to share the post where she pretty
> much admits that she is full of ....it.
>
>
>>
>> Fellow light sport enthusiasts,
>>
>> I would like to apologize and fully retract my statements made
>> yesterday. While my intentions were benign, I inadvertently caused
>> considerable harm with my earlier posting. I have learned that AMD is
>> going strong and actually ramping up production. I am glad to hear so
>> as I have heard many fine things about their aircraft. It was pointed
>> out to me that the accident I pointed to was attributed to pilot error,
>> not any sort of design issue with the aircraft. My own mechanic is a
>> big AMD supporter and I know he would only favor an aircraft that he
>> believed was built to high standards. In regards to the good folks at
>> 610, I never intended to quote them and what I posted was hearsay from
>> other sources, not fact let alone quotation. My statements were mine
>> alone and any ill feelings or concern should be directed to me alone. I
>> hope you will accept my retraction and apology.
>>
>> I have enjoyed my time on this list, but feel it is time for me to
>> withdraw my membership. Thank you for the good conversation.
>>
>> Helen
>>
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173432#173432
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
Larry,
If you plan on putting a closed cell foam board under the heel support, as
Sabrina suggests, be VERY careful which foam you choose. Some of them put off
extremely toxic fumes when ignited.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: firewall forward kit for a 0-200 engine |
Hi Gary,
Shirley at Zenith quoted me one a couple of months.
Take care,
Alberto Martin
Iberplanes IGL
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Espaa
----- Original Message -----
From: "burbby" <burbby@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 4:36 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: firewall forward kit for a 0-200 engine
>
> Is there a firewall forward kit for the 0-200?
>
> If so where is the best supplier?
>
> I would like a copy of a 601 XL with a 0-200 engine and tricycle gear and
> small fuel tanks.
>
> I think that will fix me up nicely..
>
>
> Thanks in advanced
>
> Gary Bassham
> 601 XL (N7601) resereved
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I agree wholeheartedly that a file mounted to a small block of wood makes the best
deburring tool around for flat pieces of aluminum, BUT that leaves the question
of how to handle burrs in areas where a file is really not accessible, e.g.,
the flanges on ribs.
>From my own experience, I've taken to drilling those holes a little undersized
and using a double edged tool to "ream" the hole a little bit. Sure it leaves
a slight chamfer on the inside edge (the bad one to leave a chamfer on!), but
not much of one; and I have a strict rule that I follow in that I always check
the final hole with a home made go/no-go gauge (a tapered pin punch with the
max hole diameter marked with an extra fine sharpie). If I can fit it in the
available space, I also like the offset screwdriver/rosette style, but you've
really got to hit it lightly.
I was also thinking about trying out a small ball shaped stone (considerably larger
than the hole diameter though) in a Dremel tool - anyone tried it?
Doug
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Do any of you know if the rotary engine would qualify for sport pilots
regarding the limitation to "reciprocating engines"?
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
http://www.nitronindustries.com/products_insulation.htm
sells a UL/FAA approved self-extinguishing closed cell mat for the cabin floor
or firewall. Their website talks about fume propagation. Adhere it to the
underside of the carpet, not the floor pan so inspections are easier in the future.
Remember, the hook and loop fasteners, carpeting, seat cushions and seat coverings
can cause a lot more fume and flame propagation problems than properly selected
firewall/cabin floor materials.
So too, test the materials yourself. Just because it is FAA approved, does not
mean it will not burn and burn well. A UL approval, along with an FAA approval
is a good thing to look for. Have a fire extinguisher available and do a
propagation test on FAA approved memory foam someday! On second thought, have
two extinguishers ready.
I had always toyed with the idea of an ejector canopy & emergency chute or whole
aircraft chute. After spending months on the interior and testing various materials
for flame propagation, I decided to go with the ejector canopy. (Keeping
the fuel lines out of the cockpit is great, but I don't know how to keep
flames from following the steering rods into the cockpit--I ended up using Jeep
transfer case boots, and leaving the fuel lines inside.) $55 every 120 days
for a chute repack keeps my pilot out of the aircraft if there were a fire or
flying surface failure and gives him a viable plan B.
(And yes, if the canopy is ejected by accident, Zenith says the aircraft WILL fly
without a canopy.)
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To error is human. To admit it takes a really BIG PERSON. If she is more than
willing to admit her error, apologize for it, why on Earth shouldn't I (we) take
her apology and accept it? To do otherwise, is being narrow-minded and shallow.
I'm sure she has learned a very valuable lesson (haven't we all sometime
in our life?) and will not want to repeat anything she can't prove in the future.
Rumors can and usually are vicious, which she saw how wild this had gotten
out of hand so quickly. It takes a really great person to see the error
of their ways and admit it. Let's move forward now and learn from the lessons
of this. Helen, I for one wished you would remain a part of this group. I accept
your apology. Does anyone else agree with me?
Regards,
Larry Hursh
CH601XL (N601LL Reserved)
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Since this Helen woman's post in the Yahoo group that started all this got posted
here I though it was fitting to share the post
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Well put Mr. Hursh... Apology accepted.
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> (And yes, if the canopy is ejected by accident, Zenith says the aircraft
WILL fly without a canopy.)
An open-cockpit model certainly does:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo38.html
The RV-12 prototype has an ejectable canopy. I just wonder how well a plane
flies if the canopy takes out the rudder.
-- Craig
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Larry
Yes I agree with you completely.
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"I just wonder how well a plane flies if the canopy takes out the rudder."
Good point, be prepared to jump:
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| Subject: | Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION |
I have little doubt they would. The "reciprocating engines" limitation is there
to block turbine engines.
reinkings(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Do any of you know if the rotary engine would qualify for sport pilots
> regarding the limitation to "reciprocating engines"?
--------
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? |
do not archive
I also agree.
Larry H <skyridersbn@yahoo.com> wrote: To error is human. To admit it takes a
really BIG PERSON. If she is more than willing to admit her error, apologize
for it, why on Earth shouldn't I (we) take her apology and accept it? To do otherwise,
is being narrow-minded and shallow. I'm sure she has learned a very
valuable lesson (haven't we all sometime in our life?) and will not want to repeat
anything she can't prove in the future. Rumors can and usually are vicious,
which she saw how wild this had gotten out of hand so quickly. It takes
a really great person to see the error of their ways and admit it. Let's move
forward now and learn from the lessons of this. Helen, I for one wished you
would remain a part of this group. I accept your apology. Does anyone else agree
with me?
Regards,
Larry Hursh
CH601XL (N601LL Reserved)
Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
Since this Helen woman's post in the Yahoo group that started all this got posted
here I though it was fitting to share the post
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| Subject: | Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION |
So, what does that mean for this install?
(see link)
http://www.zenithair.com/bldr/images/6engine/turbine/top-r.jpg
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> I have little doubt they would. The "reciprocating engines" limitation is there
to block turbine engines.
>
>
> reinkings(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Do any of you know if the rotary engine would qualify for sport pilots
>> regarding the limitation to "reciprocating engines"?
>>
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173488#173488
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I would wonder if the pilot's head will survive and if the eyes could stand
the wind load. Another good reason for a windshield. Jerry DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 3/29/2008 5:03:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
chicago2paris@msn.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
"I just wonder how well a plane flies if the canopy takes out the rudder."
Good point, be prepared to jump:
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
This is actually something I haven't thought about much. Fortunately,
there is a rental factory built XL not far from my home. I will have to
try it out and see if it fits.
Jim
Ronald Steele wrote:
>
> I'm not to the fuselage yet, but this definitely something of a
> concern for me. I just looked at the pictures Sabrina referenced and it
> struck me that most of us with longer legs also have longer feet, so
> keeping the heel support as designed might just work out OK.
>
> Ron
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Sabrina wrote:
>>
>> "My question is about the heel support. Logic would say that it
>> should be moved as well. Yes or no?"
>>
>> No. By moving the heel plate 6B8-8 2 inches or 50+ mm forward,
>> 6B15-3 would not have 6B8-8 to mount to. If you then move the
>> longerons the 6B15-3s mount to, you would shorten the 6 other
>> longerons (3 on each side) by about 15 percent and weaken the
>> structure. Not a good idea.
>>
>> CH placed the 355mm distance specified in 6-B-15 there for a reason.
>>
>> I used closed cell foam to close the gap like Andr van den Elsen:
>>
>> http://home.tiscali.nl/a.vandenelsen/Cabin%20Floor/index.html
>>
>> So too, leave enough room for differential breaking during taxi
>> runs. Although the toe breaks will clear during hard breaking on a
>> landing because the nose wheel is straight, a turn with differential
>> breaking is another matter. This was something the MISO specifically
>> inspected on my aircraft. I was surprised that it was an issue the
>> FAA had with many experimental aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173448#173448
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No sports pilots can fly it. Jerry DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 3/29/2008 5:21:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim.lanier@charter.net writes:
So, what does that mean for this install?
(see link)
_http://www.zenithair.com/bldr/images/6engine/turbine/top-r.jpg_
(http://www.zenithair.com/bldr/images/6engine/turbine/top-r.jpg)
Gig Giacona wrote:
_<wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>_ (mailto:wr.giacona@suddenlink.net)
I have little doubt they would. The "reciprocating engines" limitation is
there to block turbine engines.
reinkings(at)comcast.net wrote:
Do any of you know if the rotary engine would qualify for sport pilots
regarding the limitation to "reciprocating engines"?
--------
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at _www.peoamerica.net/N601WR_
(http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR)
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| Subject: | Re: [Sport_Aircraft] Re: AMD? |
I agree and accept the apology for all the reasons you stated. Jerry
On Mar 29, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Larry H wrote:
> To error is human. To admit it takes a really BIG PERSON. If she
> is more than willing to admit her error, apologize for it, why on
> Earth shouldn't I (we) take her apology and accept it? To do
> otherwise, is being narrow-minded and shallow. I'm sure she has
> learned a very valuable lesson (haven't we all sometime in our
> life?) and will not want to repeat anything she can't prove in the
> future. Rumors can and usually are vicious, which she saw how wild
> this had gotten out of hand so quickly. It takes a really great
> person to see the error of their ways and admit it. Let's move
> forward now and learn from the lessons of this. Helen, I for one
> wished you would remain a part of this group. I accept your
> apology. Does anyone else agree with me?
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry Hursh
> CH601XL (N601LL Reserved)
>
> Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
> Since this Helen woman's post in the Yahoo group that started all
> this got posted here I though it was fitting to share the post
>
>
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>
>
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"I would wonder if the pilot's head will survive and if the eyes could stand the
wind load."
Point well taken:
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
Been there done that in a 601HDS. Canopy lost at 115 mph on a down wind
leg - please do not ask why. No damage to AC or pilot. Slowed to 80
mph, proceeded to a normal landing.
Also had moved the rudder pedals forward the max recommended by ZAC.
Pedal travel OK and heel rest a non issue.
--
Leo Gates
N601Z - CH601hds TDO
Rotax 912UL
Sabrina wrote:
>
> "I just wonder how well a plane flies if the canopy takes out the rudder."
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION |
Now, That is KOOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "James E. Lanier" <jim.lanier@charter.net> wrote:
So, what does that mean for this install?
(see link)
http://www.zenithair.com/bldr/images/6engine/turbine/top-r.jpg
Gig Giacona wrote:
net>I have little doubt they would. The "reciprocating engines" limitati
on is there to block turbine engines.reinkings(at)comcast.net wrote: Do
any of you know if the rotary engine would qualify for sport pilots reg
arding the limitation to "reciprocating engines"? --------W.R. "
Gig" Giacona601XL Under ConstructionSee my progress at www.peoameri
ca.net/N601WRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/vie
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
This is the primary reason military pilots wear helmets with face shields.
Jay in Dallas
"Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
>
>"I would wonder if the pilot's head will survive and if the eyes could stand the
wind load."
>
>Point well taken:
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173499#173499
>
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
Not a bad idea, since I was 9, I have carried a helmet while flying my Cessna,
just in case I had to jump (yes ejector doors were an option on 150s):
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| Subject: | Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION |
http://www.zenithair.com/misc/turbine-power.html
"No sports pilots can fly it. Jerry"
Question: If a sport pilot can't fly it...who can? I guess I don't know
my regulations very well.
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
sit in the plane and place your feet comfortably on the pedals where they feel
good. get out of the plane and measure it. then cut the steering rods to reflect
that position. then attached breaks. thats it.
mine are 2o inches from spar to pedal.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Winger <larrywinger@gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 29, 2008 2:03 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Moving rudder pedals forward
>
>Several on this list have said that moving the rudder pedals forward by 2
>inches would still leave room for adequate braking. Roger at ZAC
>concurred. I assumed they were taking into account differential braking
>during taxi runs as well.
>
>*Is there any builder who has moved the pedals forward could comment on
>their real-world experience with this?* That would be ideal.
>
>Another way of addressing it is to know how much clearance to the firewall
>one has in full rudder deflection with full brakes on that side. If it is
>less than 2 inches, then I will clearly have to adjust or go back to the
>standard configuration.
>
>Larry Winger
>601XL/Corvair
>Tustin, CA
>
>On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> So too, leave enough room for differential breaking during taxi runs.
>> Although the toe breaks will clear during hard breaking on a landing
>> because the nose wheel is straight, a turn with differential breaking is
>> another matter. This was something the MISO specifically inspected on my
>> aircraft. I was surprised that it was an issue the FAA had with many
>> experimental aircraft.
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION |
Sport Pilot rule says "including Rotary and Diesel engines"....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Lanier" <jim.lanier@charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION
> <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/misc/turbine-power.html
>
> "No sports pilots can fly it. Jerry"
>
> Question: If a sport pilot can't fly it...who can? I guess I don't know
> my regulations very well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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I think so too. Here is a link to more info.
http://www.zenithair.com/misc/turbine-power.html
n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>
> Now, That is KOOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> -- "James E. Lanier" <jim.lanier@charter.net> wrote:
> So, what does that mean for this install?
>
> (see link)
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldr/images/6engine/turbine/top-r.jpg
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>>> Do any of you know if the rotary engine would qualify for sport pilots
>>> regarding the limitation to "reciprocating engines"?
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>> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>> 601XL Under Construction
>> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Moving rudder pedals forward |
I have a pre-drilled cabin floor. I ended up moving the rudder pedal channel about
35 mm forward - that way I can take advantage of some of the existing holes
(I filled the unused ones with A3 rivets.) When I moved the channel I left
a row of unused rivet holes so I slightly straightened a piece of surplus Z
angle and installed it. My reasoning is that I would (a) fill the holes and (b)
add a little additional strength to the cabin floor. See pix.
Remember, you can also gain some room by adjusting the length of the steering rods
and thus the angle of the rudder pedals.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Limits |
Not to drag things out more than necessary but after reading CH's suggestion to
reduce down elevator travel I started looking at other airplanes. My own Champ
is set to up 25 & down 15 and that is plenty. A look at a few different models
out at the local field all showed more up travel than down.
I guess I'll go ahead and install the elevator stop as he suggests.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: SPORT PILOT / ROTARY ENGINE QUESTION |
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:11:31PM -0400, James E. Lanier wrote:
> http://www.zenithair.com/misc/turbine-power.html
> "No sports pilots can fly it. Jerry"
> Question: If a sport pilot can't fly it...who can? I guess I don't know
> my regulations very well.
A private pilot or above.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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