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1. 02:07 AM - Re: Re: CH701 Door Warning (Dave Johnson)
2. 02:37 AM - Rotamax two rotor normally aspirated (Jerry Hey)
3. 03:52 AM - Re: Interior painting (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 04:31 AM - Re: Taking the plunge - a rookie gets started in plans building. (kmccune)
5. 05:53 AM - Re: Price and delivery for Rotax 912S (Tommy Walker)
6. 06:02 AM - O-200 prop (LHusky@aol.com)
7. 06:09 AM - AMD fuel tanks (LHusky@aol.com)
8. 06:20 AM - Re: couple of questions (Bob Sturgis)
9. 06:20 AM - Re: O-200 prop (Jay Maynard)
10. 07:24 AM - Re: AMD fuel tanks (thesumak@aol.com)
11. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants (Bob Sturgis)
12. 12:03 PM - Wing Twist (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
13. 12:46 PM - welding (David Downey)
14. 12:48 PM - Re: Wing Twist (John Short)
15. 01:22 PM - Zinc Chromate (James E. Lanier)
16. 01:32 PM - Re: Wing Twist (Trainnut01@aol.com)
17. 01:39 PM - Re: Zinc Chromate (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
18. 01:39 PM - Re: Zinc Chromate (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
19. 01:53 PM - Re: Zinc Chromate (LarryMcFarland)
20. 02:02 PM - Re: Zinc Chromate (steve)
21. 02:03 PM - Re: Wing Twist (LarryMcFarland)
22. 02:10 PM - Re: Wing Twist (Terry Phillips)
23. 02:14 PM - Re: welding (ashontz)
24. 02:33 PM - Re: Zinc Chromate (James E. Lanier)
25. 02:50 PM - Bill of Sale (Tommy Walker)
26. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants (Craig Payne)
27. 03:04 PM - Re: CH701 Door Warning (Tommy Walker)
28. 03:30 PM - Re: Zinc Chromate (Rick Lindstrom)
29. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants (Bob Sturgis)
30. 04:04 PM - Re: Zinc Chromate (Art Gibeaut)
31. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants (Craig Payne)
32. 04:16 PM - Re: Wing Twist (Bill Naumuk)
33. 04:36 PM - Custom Trailer for Hauling a Zodiac (Sabrina)
34. 04:37 PM - Re: Zinc Chromate (Lee Steensland)
35. 05:23 PM - Re: Wing Twist (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
36. 05:23 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (Tim Juhl)
37. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Elevator Limits (Cessna 172) (David Downey)
38. 06:25 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (Tommy Walker)
39. 06:50 PM - 7H1-1 Dimensions (Art Olechowski)
40. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Bill of Sale (Kevin L. Rupert)
41. 07:36 PM - Re: Wing Twist (Graeme)
42. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: AMD Zodiac XL (Paul Mulwitz)
43. 08:48 PM - Re: 7H1-1 Dimensions (stepinwolf)
44. 08:56 PM - Zenith - the choice of celebrities! (Doug Eatman)
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Door Warning |
It seems to me that this could be more of a problem with the optional
bulged doors, which must form a pretty good airfoil trying to pull the
door open.
Dave Johnson
601XL (so I don't really know what I'm talking about!)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: ruruny@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Door Warning
Actually I have had a concern about this since my demo ride at the
factory years ago.
We never opened the doors in flight, but while taxiing out we left
them unlatched.
When Roger pushed in the throttle more the doors opened more. My door
is attached with a
piano hinge the length of the top of the door, not a front or rear
hinge.
I've always figured they would fly open as has happened in this
incident. I thought about a safety pin
installed on the plate attached to the fuselage. Close latch, insert
pin behind latch into plate.
Or just a blind A5 rivet in that same hole where the pin would go to
make a detent.
How can a door on one plane fly up and another it not. The shape of
the door is curved outward at the base of the
window, creating an airfoil which would cause it to fly open.
It would be a cool test in a wind tunnel. Thanks for the report on
this.
Brian Unruh
http://www.701builder.com
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| Subject: | Rotamax two rotor normally aspirated |
For you guys (including me) looking for an engine here are some
numbers just published by RotaMaX. Jerry
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Engine RotaMax 1300
> >
> > Displacement 1300cc
> >
> > MSRP $14,995
> >
> > Maximum HP 120 @ 5800 RPM
> >
> > HP Sustained 110 @ 5300 RPM
> >
> > Maximum Torque 120 FT LBS
> >
> > Maximum RPM 5800
> >
> > Weight With PSRU 145 LBS
> >
> > Ignition Twin Coils and Spark Plugs
> >
> > Fuel Delivery EFI
> >
> > ASTM Compliancy Testing Underway
> >
> > TBO 1700 HRS
> >
> > Rebuild Costs MSRP $4,995 Estimated
> >
> > GPH at cruise 4-6 GPH
> >
> > Note: GPH is dependent on Aircraft and Engine Load at Cruise
> >
> > Validated upon completion of ATSM Qualification
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Interior painting |
Hi Larry,
I've used self etching primer in a medium gray color directly on the
aluminum. Preparation is just scratching up the aluminum with 100
grit emery cloth and a wipe with a clean rag and some lacquer
thinner. The result is a relatively flat grey color which seems to
be reasonably durable.
For accents, I use a flat black enamel. This turned out to be a
problem when applied directly over the self etching primer. I found
I needed to put a regular primer over the self etching stuff or the
enamel would lift the first coat of paint.
All of these paints are available at an automotive paint store in
rattle cans. Bring your credit card when buying the self etching
primer -- it costs around $15 per rattle can.
Have fun,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 04:08 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:
>I'll make it simple. I'm polishing the outside of my 601XL, but I'm
>needing help on the interior paint.
>
>I'm looking for durable, fairly easy to apply and cost
>effective. Any suggestions?
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| Subject: | Re: Taking the plunge - a rookie gets started in plans building. |
Hey congrats on the start and getting the tools ready. I started and made excellent
progress, built the rudder in about 3 weeks. But I should have made the dies
first. Now I have a bunch of stab and elevator ribs and my wife has realized
that I NEED to finish the family room now or it will wait until the my plane
flys ... She is right too [Wink] So I'm a carpenter for a while :D Your going
to love it, I don't regret not getting the kit one bit. Though I'd be flying
faster, but I'd be missing some of the experience.
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Price and delivery for Rotax 912S |
Hi,
I don't know the delivery time but Zenith supplies a complete kit.
I also saw a 912 ULS for sale on Kitplanes for sale. It has about 10 hrs time
on it and includes Oil tank, Cooler, and Carb airbox. The owner wants $14K for
it. That's a lot less than the current price for NIB.
Regards,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701 44.8 Hours
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Tommy Walker
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I am trying to get my FWF together for the O-200 engine and I am wondering
what some of you guys are using for a prop. Does anyone know what AMD is
putting on their planes? I sent them and email, but no answer. I am taking my
private pilot check ride in a couple of weeks, so I do not plan to fly sport
pilot. I am wanting the best cruise speed I can get out of the whole deal. I
have been flying a 172, so any prop on there will probably make the 601
climb like a home sick angle compared to the 172. I do live in Oregon and it
has
been known to rain here, so whatever I put on, has to be able to withstand
some rain. Any recommendations and information on what AMD is using would be
helpful. Thanks for the info!
Larry Husky
N667H (Reserved)
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
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I was looking at the AMD site last night and came across a drawing of their
fuel tanks. They have a completely different sending unit that is installed
on the top of the tank. It also looks like the sending unit will sit under
the skin without modification to the wing skin. I am wondering if anyone has
seen this setup in person, or if anyone has used their sending unit.
Larry Husky
N667H (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: couple of questions |
You can find them at McMaster.com Or on page 3050 in the 114 catalog. Bindi
ng Posts and Binding Barrels and Screws.=0A=0ABobefx=0A=0A----- Original Me
ssage ----=0AFrom: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:42:32 PM=0ASubject: RE: Zenit
h-List: couple of questions=0A=0A=0AYou can also google =93binder posts=94.
Apparently one of their intended purposes is to hold together stacks of th
ree-hole punched paper without a three ring binder.=0A =0A-- Craig=0A =0AFr
om: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Heaton=0ASent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:0
7 PM=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: couple of
questions=0A =0ACraig,=0A =0ABelieve it or not, they are called "sex bolts"
.......Really.=0A =0AHerb=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Craig Pay
ne =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:40 PM
=0ASubject: RE: Zenith-List: couple of questions=0A =0AOne "pretty" way to
run the brake lines down the rear of the gear is shown=0Ain the attached pi
ctures. I don't know what the proper name for the special=0A"threaded post"
nut and bolt shown is. Mine came from Lowes.=0A=0A-- Craig=0A =0A =0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List=0A=0A=0A=0Aht
tp://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contributi
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 08:59:26AM -0400, LHusky@aol.com wrote:
> I am trying to get my FWF together for the O-200 engine and I am wondering
> what some of you guys are using for a prop. Does anyone know what AMD is
> putting on their planes? I sent them and email, but no answer.
I don't have a specific model number, but it's a Sensenich wood-composite.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: AMD fuel tanks |
Hi Larry,
=C2-
Not sure if AMD uses a different sending unit, but in terms of
placement, several builders including myself have chosen to place it on
top for better access.=C2- Before you commit
to sender location on the tank, I might suggest that you make a sending unit
hole in a scrap piece of aluminum and see what is involved in installing
it.=C2- I had enough clearance on top but if
you don=99t, you can modify the access cover as has been previously de
scribed by Phil.
=C2-
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 8:05 am
Subject: Zenith-List: AMD fuel tanks
I was looking at the AMD site last night and came across a drawing of their
fuel tanks.=C2- They have a completely different sending unit that is
installed on the top of the tank.=C2- It also looks like the sending unit
will
sit under the skin without modification to the wing skin.=C2- I am wonderi
ng
if anyone has seen this setup in person, or if anyone has used their sending
unit.=C2-
=C2-
Larry Husky
N667H (Reserved)
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants |
Craig,
My rear mount for the shocks was forward by 20mm and I had the same problem. Check
the location. I moved mine back 20mm. I got new mounts so I could use the
same holes in the fus. Roger sent them right out.
Bob
----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 2:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
> I shortened the Air Shocks 3/8" to keep the canopy from extending farther.
I'm going to have to shorten mine about the same amount or move the brackets
back. How did you shorten the air shocks? Extend the threads with a die and
cut off the extra? Are the threaded shafts very hard? I also worry about
damaging the smooth surface when clamping the shafts.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nixon
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
The radius along with inverting the two bolts in front are required for the
'new' streamlined wheel pant to fit properly. the radius is not much (1/4"
?) but, in my case, found it necessary to get a proper fit.
N107R CH601XL with Jabiru 3300 leapt into the air today for its maiden
voyage. Some bugs. Worked them out this afternoon and tested via High
speed taxi. Tomorrow it is back into the air.
One issue that I have, the front seal strip for the canopy at the forward
fuselage cowl does not want to stay glued. I have used 3-M Trim adhesive.
No go. Hot glue gun. No go. RTV no go. This afternoon I tried a 2 part
epoxy. Won't know until tomorrow AM. Apparently, my forward edge of the
canopy just touches the cowl causing the lip of the seal to roll back or
under. However you want to look at it. I shortened the Air Shocks 3/8" to
keep the canopy from extending farther. It helped but didn't solve the
problem entirely. Any Suggestions?
Dave Nixon
Flying N107R
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As hard as I tried not to I have one wing that is twisted some is there any
tolerance for wing twist as there is with the stab and elevator. I tried
drilling out both rear skins and when clecoed back the twist is back. I must have
drilled it while it was twisted but at the time I sure didn't think it was.
Right now I'm ready to take a sledge hammer to the whole thing. David
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Andy;
You asked about welding instruction. Here is the link to a government sponsored handbook: http://www.fortunecity.com/village/lind/247/index_WELD.htm
Also, Tinmantech is a good reference: http://tinmantech.com/
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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Access, No Cost.
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I feel your pain brother. If possible try and figure out which skin is
giving the problem and just make the one over. I know that is not the
answer you might of been looking for but I think I would start there.
John (Scratch building 701)
Kaufman, Tx
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From: Davcoberly@wmconnect.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Twist
As hard as I tried not to I have one wing that is twisted some is
there any tolerance for wing twist as there is with the stab and
elevator. I tried drilling out both rear skins and when clecoed back the
twist is back. I must have drilled it while it was twisted but at the
time I sure didn't think it was. Right now I'm ready to take a sledge
hammer to the whole thing. David
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Zn-Cr
First, does everyone do this on their kits? Do you only apply it only to
the contact surfaces, or the entire inner surfaces? I am looking for
pros and cons.
Jim
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David
The trailing edge of my left wing is twisted up 8mm at the outboard end. The
right trailing edge is twisted up 12mm at the outboard end. Chris told me to
leave them alone.
If they were twisted in opposite directions his answer might have been
different.
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate |
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 2:16 PM, James E. Lanier <jim.lanier@charter.net> wrote:
> Zn-Cr
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22primer+wars%22
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Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate |
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 2:16 PM, James E. Lanier <jim.lanier@charter.net> wrote:
> Zn-Cr
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22primer+wars%22
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Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate |
Hi James,
With Zinc Chromate inside the wing, you'll notice with some paints that
the yellow will bleed thru your primer. Not too much to cover with color
but problematic with semi-solid paints. During the wash, etch, prime, I
had a lot of difficulty with the yellow stain penetrating the white primer.
Perhaps that wouldn't be a problem if the Zinc Chromate was white too.
If not, I'd suggest you do a test coat under what you intend to prime with
outside the skins or find an epoxy prime that would coat and protect
your aluminum to avoid the hassle.
For most of 6061 alloys, you only need to prime the surfaces that make
contact with each other and light spray areas that could collect moisture.
Don't forget to drill the small drain holes in boxed surfaces, or your
wash-etch will never dry well, i.e., stabilizer etc.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
James E. Lanier wrote:
> <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>
> Zn-Cr
>
> First, does everyone do this on their kits? Do you only apply it only
> to the contact surfaces, or the entire inner surfaces? I am looking
> for pros and cons.
>
> Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate |
Being the now expert painter that I am.... I strongly suggest that if you
use zinc chromate primer that you seal it with a paint compatible product.
I didnt! I had bleed through and it took four coats to finally get it
stopped from bleeding. On the metal to metal joints the chromate works fine
but if you plan on painting for looks use an epoxy primmer.. AND be
absolutely sure its compatible with your finish coats....
SW
Steves Aircraft Painting Service.............NOT !
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Lanier" <jim.lanier@charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate
> <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>
> Zn-Cr
>
> First, does everyone do this on their kits? Do you only apply it only to
> the contact surfaces, or the entire inner surfaces? I am looking for pros
> and cons.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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Hi David,
In as much as you've got the holes for the trailing skins done, I'd
recommend you match jig the twist you want with one rib end of the wing
skin clecoed and mark the skin
for the actual hole positions seen partially thru the skin. Then
translate key new positions to the next skin and cleco it secure. Check
the twist again and you should be good
to go. Better to make this next skin yourself,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Davcoberly@wmconnect.com wrote:
> As hard as I tried not to I have one wing that is twisted some is
> there any tolerance for wing twist as there is with the stab and
> elevator. I tried drilling out both rear skins and when clecoed back
> the twist is back. I must have drilled it while it was twisted but at
> the time I sure didn't think it was. Right now I'm ready to take a
> sledge hammer to the whole thing. David
> *
>
> *
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David
I am working on my right wing right now, and I confess to being a bit
confused regarding how to determine twist. How did you determine that your
wing was twisted?
I can tell you what I've done, and where I'm at, but it would be faster to
just point you to my builder's log--check the entries for 3/5 and later,
especially the ones for 3/25 and later. See the link below. There are lots
of photos. The bottom line is that, as near as I can read a spirit level,
my wing satisfies the specs for avoiding twist given in PAM 6W8A, i.e.,
both spars are level and the spar angle is 9=B0. But when I put the bottom
skin in place, it was too wide by >=2-mm inboard and by >=10-mm
outboard.
Caleb told me that such problems are usually an indication of twist in the
wing. So, I remeasured: my supporting beams were level, the spars were
level, and the spar angle measured 9=B0. Hmm. Caleb suggested that I let the
skin overlap the rear spar as far as possible while meeting edge & flange
distance specs. I could do that and just barely meet specs. But since it
didn't allow any room for error (not wise for me), I decided, instead, to
let the skin overlap the main spar and drill a new rivet line there.
I did not make up the support blocks as described in PAM 8AA. Since I have
12 ft long 2x2 steel beams that I can level on my table, I thought they
would give me a better reference. I clamped the shimmed-up beams to the
table so that they cannot move.
It's at times like these that I would wish for a builder assist person who
could look at what I've done and tell me whether it was good enough.
After writing all this just now, I realized that I had never measured the
skins, so ... the inboard end of the skin measures 917-mm vs. 910-mm on
6-W-8 and the outboard end measures 720-mm vs. 705-mm on the dwg. Duh. I
can't believe that I didn't measure them when the problem 1st surfaced. I
guess I'd best call ZAC, again.
Also, there was another problem with the bottom skins--the slots for the
tie down rings were cut on the outboard side of rib 9 instead of inboard.
Has anyone else encountered that? Also, my right nose skin has prepunched
pilot holes for the 30 gal tanks rather than for the 24 gal tanks I have.
Terry
At 02:59 PM 4/3/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>As hard as I tried not to I have one wing that is twisted some is there
>any tolerance for wing twist as there is with the stab and elevator. I
>tried drilling out both rear skins and when clecoed back the twist is
>back. I must have drilled it while it was twisted but at the time I sure
>didn't think it was. Right now I'm ready to take a sledge hammer to the
>whole thing. David
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
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Cool. I'll check it out.
[quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]Andy;
You asked about welding instruction. Here is the link to a government sponsored handbook: http://www.fortunecity.com/village/lind/247/index_WELD.htm
Also, Tinmantech is a good reference: http://tinmantech.com/
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
> [b]
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate |
Thanks. Just to make sure we are on the same page..I intend to use this
inside the wings, rudder, horizontal stab and not on the exterior
surface. What I am asking is whether or not to cover the entire interior
surfaces or just at the contact points.(.ie rib to skin)
Jim
steve wrote:
>
> Being the now expert painter that I am.... I strongly suggest that if
> you use zinc chromate primer that you seal it with a paint compatible
> product. I didnt! I had bleed through and it took four coats to
> finally get it stopped from bleeding. On the metal to metal joints
> the chromate works fine but if you plan on painting for looks use an
> epoxy primmer.. AND be absolutely sure its compatible with your
> finish coats....
> SW
>
> Steves Aircraft Painting Service.............NOT !
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Lanier"
> <jim.lanier@charter.net>
> To: "Zenith-List Digest List" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:16 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate
>
>
>> <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>>
>> Zn-Cr
>>
>> First, does everyone do this on their kits? Do you only apply it only
>> to the contact surfaces, or the entire inner surfaces? I am looking
>> for pros and cons.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Builders,
I plan to buy an unfinished Zenith project. The owner passed away and his son
is selling the kit.
The original owner finished the rudder, stabilizer, elevator, and part of one wing.
I am looking for a sample bill of sale that will satisfy the FAA.
If anyone has one, please forward a copy to me.
I am looking for a modified AC 8050-2 that would reflect a Kit Bill Of Sale.
Many thanks,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701 44.8 hours
Do Not Archive
Nor point out the dangers of buying someone else's partially finished kit.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants |
Thanks, I already have undrilled replacement brackets. But using them in a
new, more rearward position will leave some existing holes in the top
longerons empty and require some new holes. If I can use the existing
bracket in its original position by shortening the gas spring I'll have a
cleaner fix.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sturgis
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
Craig,
My rear mount for the shocks was forward by 20mm and I had the same problem.
Check the location. I moved mine back 20mm. I got new mounts so I could use
the same holes in the fus. Roger sent them right out.
Bob
----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 2:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
> I shortened the Air Shocks 3/8" to keep the canopy from extending farther.
I'm going to have to shorten mine about the same amount or move the brackets
back. How did you shorten the air shocks? Extend the threads with a die and
cut off the extra? Are the threaded shafts very hard? I also worry about
damaging the smooth surface when clamping the shafts.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nixon
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
The radius along with inverting the two bolts in front are required for the
'new' streamlined wheel pant to fit properly. the radius is not much (1/4"
?) but, in my case, found it necessary to get a proper fit.
N107R CH601XL with Jabiru 3300 leapt into the air today for its maiden
voyage. Some bugs. Worked them out this afternoon and tested via High
speed taxi. Tomorrow it is back into the air.
One issue that I have, the front seal strip for the canopy at the forward
fuselage cowl does not want to stay glued. I have used 3-M Trim adhesive.
No go. Hot glue gun. No go. RTV no go. This afternoon I tried a 2 part
epoxy. Won't know until tomorrow AM. Apparently, my forward edge of the
canopy just touches the cowl causing the lip of the seal to roll back or
under. However you want to look at it. I shortened the Air Shocks 3/8" to
keep the canopy from extending farther. It helped but didn't solve the
problem entirely. Any Suggestions?
Dave Nixon
Flying N107R
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Door Warning |
Brian,
I've thought about this too.
And I appreciate Mr. JG bringing it to our attention.
Folks, as far as I know, Mr. JG is NOT trying to sell us a "fix" for this problem.
I am looking at ways to lessen the potential for an in-flight door departure.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701 44.8 Hours
Phase I Finished!
[quote="ruruny(at)aol.com"]Actually I have had a concern about this since my demo
ride at the factory years ago.
We never opened the doors in flight, but while taxiing out we left them unlatched.
When Roger pushed in the throttle more the doors opened more. My door is attached
with a
piano hinge the length of the top of the door, not a front or rear hinge.
I've always figured they would fly open as has happened in this incident. I thought
about a safety pin
installed on the plate attached to the fuselage. Close latch, insert pin behind
latch into plate.
Or just a blind A5 rivet in that same hole where the pin would go to make a detent.
How can a door on one plane fly up and another it not. The shape of the door is
curved outward at the base of the
window, creating an airfoil which would cause it to fly open.
It would be a cool test in a wind tunnel. Thanks for the report on this.
Brian Unruh
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate |
Hi, Jim.
The way the quick build kits come is as you describe, with chromate ONLY between
the metal mating surfaces.
Of course, you can chromate the whole interior, but the weight of the layers will
add up. Some kit manufacturers do chromate other than contact areas, but this
is generally limited to inaccessable areas on airplanes that carry a load.
My strategy was to just fog the unpainted areas of the interior of the fuselage,
and the wings and stabilizers, with ACF-50 for corrosion protection (and repeated
every year at inspection).
Since empty weight is so precious on LSA aircraft, I went for a partial exterior
paint job as well.
Just my $0.02.
Rick Lindstrom
601 XL N42KP
-----Original Message-----
>From: "James E. Lanier" <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>Sent: Apr 3, 2008 6:28 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate
>
>
>Thanks. Just to make sure we are on the same page..I intend to use this
>inside the wings, rudder, horizontal stab and not on the exterior
>surface. What I am asking is whether or not to cover the entire interior
>surfaces or just at the contact points.(.ie rib to skin)
>
>Jim
>
>
>steve wrote:
>>
>> Being the now expert painter that I am.... I strongly suggest that if
>> you use zinc chromate primer that you seal it with a paint compatible
>> product. I didnt! I had bleed through and it took four coats to
>> finally get it stopped from bleeding. On the metal to metal joints
>> the chromate works fine but if you plan on painting for looks use an
>> epoxy primmer.. AND be absolutely sure its compatible with your
>> finish coats....
>> SW
>>
>> Steves Aircraft Painting Service.............NOT !
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Lanier"
>> <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>> To: "Zenith-List Digest List" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:16 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate
>>
>>
>>> <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>>>
>>> Zn-Cr
>>>
>>> First, does everyone do this on their kits? Do you only apply it only
>>> to the contact surfaces, or the entire inner surfaces? I am looking
>>> for pros and cons.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants |
That's why I got new rear mounts, and used the existing holes in the longer
ons. Best fix. Shortening the gas springs can cause other problems, not a g
ood idea.=0AMy new rear mounts were longer then the originals so I could us
e the same holes. =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Craig Payne <cr
aig@craigandjean.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, Apr
il 3, 2008 2:58:23 PM=0ASubject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pant
s=0A=0A=0AThanks, I already have undrilled replacement brackets. But using
them in a new, more rearward position will leave some existing holes in the
top longerons empty and require some new holes. If I can use the existing
bracket in its original position by shortening the gas spring I=A2ll have a
cleaner fix.=0A =0A-- Craig=0A =0AFrom: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics
.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sturg
is=0ASent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:37 AM=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.co
m=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants=0A =0ACraig,=0AMy
rear mount for the shocks was forward by 20mm and I had the same problem. C
heck the location. I moved mine back 20mm. I got new mounts so I could use
the same holes in the fus. Roger sent them right out. =0ABob=0A----- Origin
al Message ----=0AFrom: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>=0ATo: zenith-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 2:38:14 PM=0ASubject: RE
: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants=0A=0A--> Zenith-List message post
ed by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>=0A=0A> I shortened the Air Sh
ocks 3/8" to keep the canopy from extending farther.=0A=0AI'm going to have
to shorten mine about the same amount or move the brackets=0Aback. How did
you shorten the air shocks? Extend the threads with a die and=0Acut off th
e extra? Are the threaded shafts very hard? I also worry about=0Adamaging t
he smooth surface when clamping the shafts.=0A=0A-- Craig=0A=0A-----Origina
l Message-----=0AFrom: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:own
er-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nixon=0ASent: Wednes
day, April 02, 2008 2:05 PM=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Zeni
"Dave Nixon" <adnasap@bellsouth.net>=0A=0AThe radius along with inverting
the two bolts in front are required for the=0A'new' streamlined wheel pant
to fit properly. the radius is not much (1/4"=0A?) but, in my case, found
it necessary to get a proper fit.=0A=0AN107R CH601XL with Jabiru 3300 leapt
into the air today for its maiden=0Avoyage. Some bugs. Worked them out t
his afternoon and tested via High=0Aspeed taxi. Tomorrow it is back into th
e air. =0A=0AOne issue that I have, the front seal strip for the canopy at
the forward=0Afuselage cowl does not want to stay glued. I have used 3-M T
rim adhesive.=0ANo go. Hot glue gun. No go. RTV no go. This afternoon I tri
ed a 2 part=0Aepoxy. Won't know until tomorrow AM. Apparently, my forward
edge of the=0Acanopy just touches the cowl causing the lip of the seal to r
oll back or=0Aunder. However you want to look at it. I shortened the Air Sh
ocks 3/8" to=0Akeep the canopy from extending farther. It helped but didn'
t solve the=0Aproblem entirely. Any Suggestions? =0A=0ADave Nixon =0AFlyin
g N107R=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate |
I started the kit with Zn-Cr which was applied to only one surface. I did not like
the potential health related issues and after reading dozens of opinions on
this and other sites decided to switch to Self Etching Primer in a rattle can
that I buy from NAPA Auto. I tested the stuff for resilience, and it is pretty
good, and have used it throughout. I'm done with the tail, wings, and rear
fuselage on my 701 and I have not regretted it. Just my opinion.
--- On Thu, 4/3/08, James E. Lanier <jim.lanier@charter.net> wrote:
> From: James E. Lanier <jim.lanier@charter.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate
> To: "Zenith-List Digest List" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 4:16 PM
> Lanier" <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>
> Zn-Cr
>
> First, does everyone do this on their kits? Do you only
> apply it only to
> the contact surfaces, or the entire inner surfaces? I am
> looking for
> pros and cons.
>
> Jim
>
You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants |
My old and new brackets are the same length. How long are the replacement
brackets you received from Roger?
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sturgis
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
That's why I got new rear mounts, and used the existing holes in the
longerons. Best fix. Shortening the gas springs can cause other problems,
not a good idea.
My new rear mounts were longer then the originals so I could use the same
holes.
----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 2:58:23 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
Thanks, I already have undrilled replacement brackets. But using them in a
new, more rearward position will leave some existing holes in the top
longerons empty and require some new holes. If I can use the existing
bracket in its original position by shortening the gas spring I?ll have a
cleaner fix.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sturgis
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
Craig,
My rear mount for the shocks was forward by 20mm and I had the same problem.
Check the location. I moved mine back 20mm. I got new mounts so I could use
the same holes in the fus. Roger sent them right out.
Bob
----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 2:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
> I shortened the Air Shocks 3/8" to keep the canopy from extending farther.
I'm going to have to shorten mine about the same amount or move the brackets
back. How did you shorten the air shocks? Extend the threads with a die and
cut off the extra? Are the threaded shafts very hard? I also worry about
damaging the smooth surface when clamping the shafts.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nixon
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL with Wheel Pants
The radius along with inverting the two bolts in front are required for the
'new' streamlined wheel pant to fit properly. the radius is not much (1/4"
?) but, in my case, found it necessary to get a proper fit.
N107R CH601XL with Jabiru 3300 leapt into the air today for its maiden
voyage. Some bugs. Worked them out this afternoon and tested via High
speed taxi. Tomorrow it is back into the air.
One issue that I have, the front seal strip for the canopy at the forward
fuselage cowl does not want to stay glued. I have used 3-M Trim adhesive.
No go. Hot glue gun. No go. RTV no go. This afternoon I tried a 2 part
epoxy. Won't know until tomorrow AM. Apparently, my forward edge of the
canopy just touches the cowl causing the lip of the seal to roll back or
under. However you want to look at it. I shortened the Air Shocks 3/8" to
keep the canopy from extending farther. It helped but didn't solve the
problem entirely. Any Suggestions?
Dave Nixon
Flying N107R
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Dave-
In spite of the fact that I had problems with the spar web
pre-drilled holes, this was the answer for me. Avoid movement and you
avoid trouble.
If you have to trash the existing skins, you can make new ones
relatively cheaply in a short time with an Olfa knife.
You can tell this is an old picture- the windows are open!!
Bill
do not archive
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Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Twist
As hard as I tried not to I have one wing that is twisted some is
there any tolerance for wing twist as there is with the stab and
elevator. I tried drilling out both rear skins and when clecoed back the
twist is back. I must have drilled it while it was twisted but at the
time I sure didn't think it was. Right now I'm ready to take a sledge
hammer to the whole thing. David
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| Subject: | Custom Trailer for Hauling a Zodiac |
FYI:
My dad wants the trailer that was used to transport my airplane to the airport
out of the garage. The trailer's deck is custom grooved and drilled for a hauling
a Zodiac/Sabrina. He put it on E-Bay for $399.
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate |
Wicks is pushing Zinc Oxide now, so I got a few rattle cans of that to
try. I too worry about the longevity of my lungs breathing Zn-Cr so I'll
try this.
I have also heard good things about self-etching primer as well (albeit
a little more expensive than Zn oxide).
Art Gibeaut wrote:
>
> I started the kit with Zn-Cr which was applied to only one surface. I did not
like the potential health related issues and after reading dozens of opinions
on this and other sites decided to switch to Self Etching Primer in a rattle
can that I buy from NAPA Auto. I tested the stuff for resilience, and it is pretty
good, and have used it throughout. I'm done with the tail, wings, and rear
fuselage on my 701 and I have not regretted it. Just my opinion.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/3/08, James E. Lanier <jim.lanier@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>> From: James E. Lanier <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Zinc Chromate
>> To: "Zenith-List Digest List" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
>> Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 4:16 PM
>> Lanier" <jim.lanier@charter.net>
>>
>> Zn-Cr
>>
>> First, does everyone do this on their kits? Do you only
>> apply it only to
>> the contact surfaces, or the entire inner surfaces? I am
>> looking for
>> pros and cons.
>>
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Terry,
That is how it checked mine main spar at 9 deg and level then rear spar ended
up not level. From forward outboard to rear inboard about 10mm off.
Thanks to all for the help! David
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
Do you have the original owners bill of sale from Zenith? You'll need that to
show continuity. The bill of sale needs to have language similar to what is on
the FAA version. The bill of sale from the estate of the previous owner should
follow the same format. You don't have to use the FAA form.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Limits (Cessna 172) |
all the 150s I flew were 40 while all the 152s were 30. May have to do with the
model?
I've rented various 152s of which some of them had 40 degrees of flap and others
were only 30 degrees. Neither were aerobats or anything. I figured it was just
some design change that had occurred from one year to the next.
Tim Juhl wrote:
> The increase in gross weight was one of the reasons cited. Another was the problem
some pilots experienced if they initiated a go-around with full flaps extended.
There was also the long standing concern about full flaps blanking the
tail in a forward slip although I've intentionally tried to make that happen
with no success.
>
> One of the things that surprised me was in checking aileron control movement
was that you used to be able to turn the wheel 90 to either side while on the
1985 model you were hitting the stops at maybe 50. Now - I will admit I did not
take a protractor and measure actual aileron deflections so maybe the change
wasn't that extreme. Anyone who has flown a very early 172 and a 1985 or later
model knows that they are two very different machines.
>
> Tim
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
Tim,
Thanks for responding.
The original owner has an invoice from ZAC. They don't supply a Bill Of Sale until
you ask for it.
ZAC has a modified version of the Bill of Sale (BOS) that indicates that a KIT
was sold, not an aircraft. I am trying to get a copy of the ZAC BOS so that I
can get the owner's executor to sign it.
Anyway, a member of the list forwarded me a scanned copy of his BOS and I will
create my own using that as a guide.
Thanks for your help guys.
Now if anyone can put me in touch with a good/reliable/cheap engine for this project,
I will be much obliged.
:
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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Tim Juhl wrote:
> Do you have the original owners bill of sale from Zenith? You'll need that to
show continuity. The bill of sale needs to have language similar to what is
on the FAA version. The bill of sale from the estate of the previous owner should
follow the same format. You don't have to use the FAA form.
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | 7H1-1 Dimensions |
Hi all I need help. Been trying to determine the vertical location of the lightening
holes for
7H1-1, does the parallel lines in the print mean centered equal distances from
top and bottom?
Most all of the other ribs define some vertical dimension but for this case I can
not seem to find
one.
Art
701 Scratch-in'
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
Unless you have an "N" number, there is no FAA "Bill of Sale" form.Your
just buying a box full of aluminum. Any kind of generic bill of sales
form will do for your records.
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The biggest problem is if you build two wings on a bent bench and they
both have the same twist.
your twist should be ok
The problem is magnified if you built two wings with the same twist.
you end up with LE of one wing up and TE of other wing up.
When you set up your struts you can fix a minor twist.
the two inboard mounts are set up and you the set up front strut and if
needed twist wing and setup rear strut to repair twist.
Graemecns
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From: Trainnut01@aol.com
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Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Twist
David
The trailing edge of my left wing is twisted up 8mm at the outboard
end. The right trailing edge is twisted up 12mm at the outboard end.
Chris told me to leave them alone.
If they were twisted in opposite directions his answer might have been
different.
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: AMD Zodiac XL |
Hi Mark,
I agree with most of your comments on the differences between Cessnas
and Zodiacs, but I think you missed the basic airplane quality that
causes the difference - inertia.
As planes get heavier they have more inertia, and it is the inertia
that causes response to be delayed from control input. It is nice to
get instant response to control inputs, but the other side of the
coin is you get a stable platform for things like instrument
flight. You also gain payload as you gain weight, and this is
important if you want to fly around with more than 2 people and very
little baggage.
I think the Zodiac is a wonderful plane for recreational flying and
learning to fly. If you want to fly for business or commercial
reasons, or you find yourself heading a large family, then a larger
and heavier plane will be a much better choice.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 07:37 AM 4/2/2008, you wrote:
>If you have flown Cessna's all you life keep this in mind, the Cessna is
>a reactive flight, you input controls and wait for the plane to catch
>up. After awhile you realize this issue and it becomes the norm so you
>are less prone to over input controls. The 601 is instant, you input
>controls which are light and have little to no lag before the plane
>follows your moves. It takes little to no time to understand this and
>you will realize just how responsive the plane is. Though it is very
>easy to fly and learn on. Typically I say that It is a plane that you
>can learn on and not one you will readily outgrow.
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| Subject: | Re: 7H1-1 Dimensions |
Art,
Please don't take me to task with this, but I believe the holes are to be centered
between each side.
The reason I came to this conclusion is because of the two small slash marks on
each side of the line that defines the width. If you look closely, you will
see the two slash lines on each side, indicating that what ever is between these
marks is to be centered.
Bob the 701 scratch
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| Subject: | Zenith - the choice of celebrities! |
List members,
As I walked through the "commons room" this evening, the eternally blaring
television caught my eye. On screen was an animation of Jay Maynard, the
very same Jay Maynard on this Zenith list, being eaten by a Panda bear. Although
I
can't say I'm a fan of raunchy Comedy Central cartoons, this officially makes
Zenith Aircraft the vehicle of choice for TV celebrities.
It's a small world.
All in fun,
Doug Eatman
601XL TD
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