---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/07/08: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:04 AM - Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (LarryMcFarland) 2. 07:16 AM - Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (Gig Giacona) 3. 07:28 AM - Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (MacDonald Doug) 4. 08:36 AM - Re: AMD Zodiac XL (Tim Juhl) 5. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: AMD Zodiac XL (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 6. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (Bryan Martin) 7. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (LarryMcFarland) 8. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (Paul Mulwitz) 9. 09:26 AM - Re: AMD Zodiac XL (Tim Juhl) 10. 10:19 AM - Glass (Beckman, Rick) 11. 10:41 AM - Re: Glass (Trainnut01@aol.com) 12. 10:42 AM - Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (Flydog1966@aol.com) 13. 10:47 AM - Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (Dave Austin) 14. 10:51 AM - nose wheel dollie (Brett Hanley) 15. 11:28 AM - Am I Screwed?- Wing Center Section (MHerder) 16. 11:51 AM - Re: Am I Screwed?- Wing Center Section (Gig Giacona) 17. 12:42 PM - Re: Am I Screwed?- Wing Center Section (MHerder) 18. 02:49 PM - Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (MacDonald Doug) 19. 03:55 PM - 601XL wing jig (lwinger) 20. 05:03 PM - Bending main gear of 701 (Jerry Hey) 21. 05:47 PM - Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (Jeff) 22. 06:47 PM - Re: 601XL wing jig (Cndmovn) 23. 06:55 PM - Re: Bending main gear of 701 (John Bolding) 24. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Am I Screwed?- Wing Center Section (Larry Hursh) 25. 07:09 PM - Re: 601XL wing jig (Larry Winger) 26. 07:45 PM - Re: 601XL wing jig (Cndmovn) 27. 07:47 PM - Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage (Terry Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:20 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet Fuel pump amperage Hi Jeff, I've got 40105 pumps in my wings and two on the firewall. Seldom have more than two going at any time, but I have a 7.5 amp fuse to operate all four. I've never blown a pump fuse. They probably only draw an amp, but a little more fuse here will not harm anything. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Jeff wrote: > > I'm using the Facet 40105 fuel pumps in my leading edge fuel tanks > only fuel system. I wired up the pumps today and tested them for the > first time. According to Facet/ Purolator, they should draw .75 to 1 > amp. With 1 amp fuses on each both pumps promptly blew the fuses on > their separate circuits after a few seconds. I put in 2 amp fuses and > both would run OK. Looking at the archives, there was a lot of > discussion about this in the 1999 and 2000 time frame. Since the > documentation seems to be inaccurate, what size fuse or breaker are > those with this pump using: one, two, three, or five amp fuses? Thanks . > > Jeff Davidson > > CH601-HD/Jabiru 3300A > > Gonna' finish sometime! > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:03 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage From: "Gig Giacona" I'm just getting into the electrical stuff on my plane. So please tell me if my thinking is off here. This seems like a place for multiple fuses if there ever was one. If you blow a fuse you loose all 4 where the problem might just be on one pump. larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote: > Hi Jeff, > I've got 40105 pumps in my wings and two on the firewall. Seldom have > more than two going at any time, but I have a 7.5 amp fuse to operate > all four. I've never blown > a pump fuse. They probably only draw an amp, but a little more fuse here > will not harm anything. > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175246#175246 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:57 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet Fuel pump amperage Jeff, remember that the fuse/breaker is there to protect the wiring not the load. Size you breaker according to the size of wire. I forget the exact numbers but 18 ga wire is supposed to be able to support something like a total of 10A. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch builder NW Ontario, Canada Do not Archive --- Jeff wrote: > I'm using the Facet 40105 fuel pumps in my leading > edge fuel tanks only fuel > system. I wired up the pumps today and tested them > for the first time. > According to Facet/ Purolator, they should draw .75 > to 1 amp. With 1 amp > fuses on each both pumps promptly blew the fuses on > their separate circuits > after a few seconds. I put in 2 amp fuses and both > would run OK. Looking > at the archives, there was a lot of discussion about > this in the 1999 and > 2000 time frame. Since the documentation seems to > be inaccurate, what size > fuse or breaker are those with this pump using: one, > two, three, or five amp > fuses? Thanks .. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Zodiac XL From: "Tim Juhl" Travel and the Zodiac XL - my XL isn't flying but I thought I'd stick my oar into the discussion regarding the practicality of the aircraft for travel. I owned a C172 for 23 years and a 182 for 7. I have visited every state except HI, LA & MS. Also been to Alaska and the Bahamas. Much of that travel was in the 172 with only one pax. I got the 182 when my family got older but now my kids are grown and no longer travel with us. I am a big fan of Cessna aircraft, have thousands of hours in them and yet I chose to sell my Cessna and build an XL.... True, the XL has some useful load limitations but by my estimates it should be faster than the 172 and at todays gas prices 5 gph sure beats the 8 or 13 gph I burned with the Cessnas. I'm willing to put up with the XL's limitations in order to be able to travel affordably. Like many other retirees, I made the choice to downsize rather than give up entirely on the activities I enjoy. All in all, I think it has been a good decision but time will tell. Tim do not archive -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175268#175268 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:58 AM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Zodiac XL Hi Tim, Do you know which state is the 49th and the 50th state? How did you enjoy your trip to HI? :-) Jerry DO NOT ARCHIVE In a message dated 4/7/2008 11:36:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, juhl@avci.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" Travel and the Zodiac XL - my XL isn't flying but I thought I'd stick my oar into the discussion regarding the practicality of the aircraft for travel. I owned a C172 for 23 years and a 182 for 7. I have visited every state except HI, LA & MS. Also been to Alaska and the Bahamas. Much of that travel was in the 172 with only one pax. I got the 182 when my family got older but now my kids are grown and no longer travel with us. I am a big fan of Cessna aircraft, have thousands of hours in them and yet I chose to sell my Cessna and build an XL.... (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:28 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage I have my fuel pumps wired to my ignition circuit (I don't have magnetos). My ignition switch is fed directly from the battery through a 30 Amp fuse, bypassing the master switch. The ignition switch feeds a coil selector switch, a pump selector switch and the engine instruments. Each pump and each ignition coil is then fed from its selector switch through its own 5 Amp breaker. If a breaker pops, I switch to the backup. I don't have an engine driven pump so the electric pumps are essential. My "run-up" consists of checking that the both pumps and both coils will function. If I have to shut down the electrical system in flight for any reason, the engine can continue to operate after the master is shut down for as long as the battery holds up. It's true that if one of the three switches fail, the engine will probably quit, but switches don't generally fail unless they are being switched and I don't normally switch any of these in flight. This was a relatively simple way of getting some redundancy in the system. If the 30 Amp fuse blows, well, then it's time to land. Gig Giacona wrote: > > I'm just getting into the electrical stuff on my plane. So please tell me if my thinking is off here. > > This seems like a place for multiple fuses if there ever was one. If you blow a fuse you loose all 4 where the problem might just be on one pump. > > > > > larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote: >> Hi Jeff, >> I've got 40105 pumps in my wings and two on the firewall. Seldom have >> more than two going at any time, but I have a 7.5 amp fuse to operate >> all four. I've never blown >> a pump fuse. They probably only draw an amp, but a little more fuse here >> will not harm anything. >> >> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> > -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:03 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage You're right of course, Gig, I checked my fuse diagram and the 2 boost pumps are on one 7.5 fuse and the wings pumps are on another 7.5 fuse. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Gig Giacona wrote: > > I'm just getting into the electrical stuff on my plane. So please tell me if my thinking is off here. > > This seems like a place for multiple fuses if there ever was one. If you blow a fuse you loose all 4 where the problem might just be on one pump. > > > larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote: > >> Hi Jeff, >> I've got 40105 pumps in my wings and two on the firewall. Seldom have >> more than two going at any time, but I have a 7.5 amp fuse to operate >> all four. I've never blown >> a pump fuse. They probably only draw an amp, but a little more fuse here >> will not harm anything. >> >> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> >> > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175246#175246 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:33 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Facet Fuel pump amperage Hi Gig, I guess you could go either way. I would expect things to go without blowing a fuse on fuel pumps for a very long time. If it does blow and you can't replace the fuse in flight that just means you must depend on the mechanical fuel pump on your engine for the remainder of that flight. If you have a plane that depends on a working electric fuel pump to keep the engine going then perhaps separate fuses would be in order. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 07:13 AM 4/7/2008, you wrote: >I'm just getting into the electrical stuff on my plane. So please >tell me if my thinking is off here. > >This seems like a place for multiple fuses if there ever was one. If >you blow a fuse you loose all 4 where the problem might just be on one pump. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Zodiac XL From: "Tim Juhl" Alaska 49, Hawaii 50. Only been to HI commercially (can't swim that far wearing an airplane.) Never went to Louisiana or Mississippi by light aircraft either.... never wanted to travel there in the summer which was the only time I could travel when I was teaching school. I have a daughter in OK so when the XL is finished I plan to visit her with a slight dogleg to allow for a landing in those two states. My longest trip was Michigan to Alaska to Seattle and return. 84 hours flying time and 3.5 weeks away from home. All in a 172 cruising at around 100 kts. It is a wonderful way to see the country. Tim Do not archive -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175289#175289 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Glass From: "Beckman, Rick" Hi, All, I am in a bit of a dilemma. I need a three inch glass for my air speed indicator. I could easily get one from the local clock shop, but the glass for our steam gages needs to be polarized. Might one of you fine folk out there have one for sale? I can get one from White Industries, but I have to buy the gage to go with it for much more than the glass is worth. Help! Rick Beckman Zodie XL 52EB (res.) 729 MSL and sinking www.sharbo.us/thebird ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:13 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Glass Rick Maybe. But you'll have to wait until I get home tonight to check. Carroll do not archive (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:48 AM PST US From: Flydog1966@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet Fuel pump amperage In a message dated 4/7/2008 10:29:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dougsnash@yahoo.com writes: Jeff, remember that the fuse/breaker is there to protect the wiring not the load. Size you breaker according to the size of wire. Makes sense to me, but, any harm in also having a fuse at the pump( or any electronic device) to protect it ? Kinda like the circuit breaker in the house is there to protect the wiring, but many of the gizmos that plug in at the other end have fuses in them to protect the gizmo. Phil please do not archive (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:44 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet Fuel pump amperage As an old electrical engineer, there is a rule of thumb that says you should fuse at three times the normal circuit load. That pretty well ensures that the fuse will not blow under normal (and start-up) load but will if a short develops in the circuit. I agree that there should be a separate fuse for each pump. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:02 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: nose wheel dollie I use three small Harbor Freight furniture dollies. Place one under each wheel. In this configuration the plane can be moved in any direction inside the hangar. If you use just one under the front wheel it would lower the tail and be a lot more mobile as well. You can get three dollies for about twenty five dollars. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Am I Screwed?- Wing Center Section From: "MHerder" I am am assembling the fuselage on a 601, and am at step 6 B 11 I believe. It looks like its time to install the wing spar center section. I have not ordered it yet. Can I go any further? I am about to order the wing kit but don't really want to wait for it to show up in a few months. Has anyone worked around this? If so how? Perhaps I could use a template for now to hold in place until the real deal shows up. -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175313#175313 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Am I Screwed?- Wing Center Section From: "Gig Giacona" Yep, pretty much. I can't think of one single way to work around not having the center spar and because the center spar is matched to the wing spars they can't just pull one out inventory. You might get lucky though and they might have a spar set made up that you can talk them out of. I'd call. This is one of the reasons when anyone asks here what order to build in I always say Tail, wings, fuselage. MHerder wrote: > I am am assembling the fuselage on a 601, and am at step 6 B 11 I believe. It looks like its time to install the wing spar center section. I have not ordered it yet. Can I go any further? > > I am about to order the wing kit but don't really want to wait for it to show up in a few months. > > > Has anyone worked around this? If so how? Perhaps I could use a template for now to hold in place until the real deal shows up. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175315#175315 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:25 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Am I Screwed?- Wing Center Section From: "MHerder" Thanks for the honest, but disappointing answer..... -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175321#175321 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:21 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet Fuel pump amperage Actually Phil, the extra fuse at the pump is not really needed. The purpose of the internal fuse in your houshold appliance is to prevent it from catching fire if it melts down. Remember, the 15A breaker on your house panel is sized for the 14/2 cable in your walls and the internal fuse is sized for the 22ga wiring inside your TV, etc. Not likely an issue with the plane. It is a common misconception that fuses are to protect "gizmos" The are not. They are there to disconnect the power when the "gizmo" melt down. Of a bigger concern might be putting each of the pumps on a different circuit. Then if you were to loose one pump due to a chafed wire or someting, you would still be able to run the other. Designing low wing fuel systems however, is beyond my expirience as I have gravity feeding mine. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada Do Not Archive --- Flydog1966@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/7/2008 10:29:52 A.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > dougsnash@yahoo.com writes: > > Jeff, remember that the fuse/breaker is there to > protect the wiring not the load. Size you breaker > according to the size of wire. > > > Makes sense to me, but, any harm in also having a > fuse at the pump( or any > electronic device) to protect it ? > Kinda like the circuit breaker in the house is > there to protect the > wiring, but many of the gizmos that plug in > at the other end have fuses in them to protect the > gizmo. > Phil > please do not archive > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL wing jig From: "lwinger" I understand that the right and left wing jigs used to be part of the 601XL kits. Is there anyone who has a set in good shape that would be willing to lend or rent them to me? Of course I would pay for shipping both ways. Feel free to contact me direct at larrywinger@gmail.com. Thanks. Do Not Archive -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL/Corvair from scratch Control surfaces and wings complete. Bottom rear fuselage and firewall done Ready for wing jig alignment www.mykitlog.com/lwinger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175363#175363 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:46 PM PST US From: Jerry Hey Subject: Zenith-List: Bending main gear of 701 I have searched the archives without finding anything on this topic. Can anyone describe how the main gear was bent. Or send me to the proper web site. Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:33 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet Fuel pump amperage Terry, I overstated the importance of the 30 AMP fuse. It is located between the battery contractor and the main fuse block. The 30 AMP fuse is not in the path from the battery to the starter. The starter pulls an amazing amount of amperage, but only for a few seconds in most cases! But that fuse does protect everything that draws its power from the main fuse block including the avionics fuse block. This design is stolen from flying 601s with 3300s up front and is, or used to be, recommended by Jabiru USA. The Jabiru 3300 installation manual includes a suggested wiring diagram that includes the 30 Amp fuse on Page 10. My electrical system is a combination of Jabiru instructions and AeroElectric advice tempered with real life experience from some other very helpful builders and some of my own "common sense". Of course Jabiru never imagined a fuel system like mine in any of their aircraft. Anyway, thanks for the comments. I'm Okay with a larger amperage fuse now that I find 5 AMP fuses are common for each fuel pump circuit. That is what I wanted. It seems to me that there is more involved than just the fact that the fuses are there to protect the wires. The maximum electrical load is pretty important too. Evidently is common to have fuses that blow at about three times the expected normal load for each circuit. That is what I didn't know. Thanks to everyone that responded to my question. Time to go pick out a fabric for my seat cushions! Jeff Davidson _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:07 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet Fuel pump amperage Interesting approach, Jeff. If I understand you correctly, you are concerned that a momentary, short circuit load on, e.g., a fuel pump power lead might blow your main system fuse. I'm just a reader of the aeroelectric connection, and most of what I know about airplane electric systems comes from there. And, God knows, I don't understand all that I've read. So, take this with that in mind. I haven't seen your schematic, so I'm not sure what the function is of the 30 amp fuse that "protects the entire electric system." I know that the Jabiru 3300 alternator is rated at 20 amps. That says to me that the steady state load on the electrical system should be less than 20 amps (so there are some amps left over to recharge the battery after starting). A transient load can be much greater than 20 without compromising the system--what does your starter draw? More than 30 amps, I'd guess. So, if the 30 amp fuse is designed to protect the cable from the battery to the main bus, you might consider a larger cable. Then you don't have to worry about blowing the 30 amp fuse. If you're happy with 30-amp capacity, you might consider using some sort of slow-blow 30-amp fuse so that a momentary 5 amp overload on some circuit would not blow the main fuse. (Something like the LITTELFUSE JCASE HIGH AMP FUSE, PINK 30 AMP (JCAS30BP)) The fuse-to-protect-the-wiring approach makes sense to me. Other approaches might work for you. But I think that the last thing I'd want in my airplane is a fuse to the fuel pump that is operating right at the limit of its capacity. Terry ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:30 PM PST US From: Cndmovn Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL wing jig hmmm, Larry, the wing jigs are still part of the XL kit as far as I know. That is if you are talking about the jigs that reference the spar to the rear spar. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, lwinger wrote: > > I understand that the right and left wing jigs used to be part of the > 601XL kits. Is there anyone who has a set in good shape that would be > willing to lend or rent them to me? Of course I would pay for shipping both > ways. > > Feel free to contact me direct at larrywinger@gmail.com. > > Thanks. > > Do Not Archive > > -------- > Larry Winger > Tustin, CA > 601XL/Corvair from scratch > Control surfaces and wings complete. > Bottom rear fuselage and firewall done > Ready for wing jig alignment > www.mykitlog.com/lwinger > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175363#175363 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:05 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending main gear of 701 Jerry, In the yahoo group "701builders" look in the files section, I think there is also some gear bending in ch701.com/ch601.com John > > I have searched the archives without finding anything on this topic. > Can anyone describe how the main gear was bent. Or send me to the > proper web site. Thanks, Jerry > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:43 PM PST US From: Larry Hursh Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Am I Screwed?- Wing Center Section Hey Michael, Not to add to your disappointment, but if you are going to order your wing kit now, I suggest you get your order in as soon as you can. I ordered my wing kit on Dec 4th. I just got a notice from Shirley that my wing kit is tentatively scheduled to ship May 7th. The fuselage kit is what I will be needing next has a 14-16 week lead time. I hope I will be able to place my order as soon as I can. I have been waiting on this wing kit now for almost 4 months and I'm going stir-crazy (I feel for yah brother)!! Regards, Larry Hursh CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning) (N601LL Reserved) SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com Keep your eyes skyward - always! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:27 PM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL wing jig When I called Nick today, I understood him to say that the new kits would not include them because of the CNC side skins that take the guess work out of the alignment process. It is also possible that he was talking about what they are considering, and not yet doing. Larry Winger Tustin, CA Do Not Archive On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Cndmovn wrote: > hmmm, Larry, the wing jigs are still part of the XL kit as far as I know. > That is if you are talking about the jigs that reference the spar to the > rear spar. > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, lwinger wrote: > > > > > I understand that the right and left wing jigs used to be part of the > > 601XL kits. Is there anyone who has a set in good shape that would be > > willing to lend or rent them to me? Of course I would pay for shipping both > > ways. > > > > Feel free to contact me direct at larrywinger@gmail.com. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > -------- > > Larry Winger > > Tustin, CA > > 601XL/Corvair from scratch > > Control surfaces and wings complete. > > Bottom rear fuselage and firewall done > > Ready for wing jig alignment > > www.mykitlog.com/lwinger > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175363#175363 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:39 PM PST US From: Cndmovn Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL wing jig Not sure how CNC is going to alleviate the need for the jig. The jig sets the level of the rear spar to the main spar and the fuse. If your fuselage is not jigged level, then it alignment is going to be wrong regardless of the CNC drilling. My opinion anyway. I can send you mine when I am done if you dont get any other respondents that are closer. Paul On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Larry Winger wrote: > When I called Nick today, I understood him to say that the new kits would > not include them because of the CNC side skins that take the guess work out > of the alignment process. It is also possible that he was talking about > what they are considering, and not yet doing. > > Larry Winger > Tustin, CA > > Do Not Archive > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Cndmovn wrote: > > > hmmm, Larry, the wing jigs are still part of the XL kit as far as I > > know. That is if you are talking about the jigs that reference the spar to > > the rear spar. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, lwinger wrote: > > > > > > > > I understand that the right and left wing jigs used to be part of the > > > 601XL kits. Is there anyone who has a set in good shape that would be > > > willing to lend or rent them to me? Of course I would pay for shipping both > > > ways. > > > > > > Feel free to contact me direct at larrywinger@gmail.com. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > -------- > > > Larry Winger > > > Tustin, CA > > > 601XL/Corvair from scratch > > > Control surfaces and wings complete. > > > Bottom rear fuselage and firewall done > > > Ready for wing jig alignment > > > www.mykitlog.com/lwinger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175363#175363 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:06 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet Fuel pump amperage Jeff As I'm always telling my wife, sounds like it will all work out OK. In case you haven't seen it, you might take a look at Nuckolls' schematic Z21A which says it's for a Jabiru 3300 with EFCI. I don't know where the EFCI came from, but I'm planning on adapting Z21A--when I get that far. It wasn't in my copy of Aeroelectric Connection, but I got it off Bob's website. I had a hard time finding it, so I'll post the link, in case anyone is interested. http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z21A.pdf Terry At 08:44 PM 4/7/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Terry, > > > I overstated the importance of the 30 AMP fuse. It is > located between the battery contractor and the main fuse block. The 30 > AMP fuse is not in the path from the battery to the starter. The starter > pulls an amazing amount of amperage, but only for a few seconds in most > cases! But that fuse does protect everything that draws its power from > the main fuse block including the avionics fuse block. This design is > stolen from flying 601s with 3300s up front and is, or used to be, > recommended by Jabiru USA. The Jabiru 3300 installation manual includes > a suggested wiring diagram that includes the 30 Amp fuse on Page 10. My > electrical system is a combination of Jabiru instructions and > AeroElectric advice tempered with real life experience from some other > very helpful builders and some of my own "common sense". Of course > Jabiru never imagined a fuel system like mine in any of their > aircraft. Anyway, thanks for the comments. I'm Okay with a larger > amperage fuse now that I find 5 AMP fuses are common for each fuel pump > circuit. That is what I wanted. It seems to me that there is more > involved than just the fact that the fuses are there to protect the > wires. The maximum electrical load is pretty important too. Evidently > is common to have fuses that blow at about three times the expected > normal load for each circuit. That is what I didn't know. > > > Thanks to everyone that responded to my question. > > > Time to go pick out a fabric for my seat cushions! > > > Jeff Davidson Terry Phillips ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.