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1. 05:02 AM - Re: 601XL wing jig (Ianrat)
2. 07:38 AM - Buy a 601UL ? (spitfire55)
3. 08:40 AM - Really bad news....S&F crash (swater6)
4. 09:12 AM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Tim Juhl)
5. 09:16 AM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (swater6)
6. 09:18 AM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (John Davis)
7. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Jay Maynard)
8. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (James E. Lanier)
9. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Kevin Bonds)
10. 10:25 AM - test (Jerry Hey)
11. 10:27 AM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (MHerder)
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Sabrina)
13. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Ron Culver)
14. 12:49 PM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (pavel569)
15. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Iberplanes IGL)
16. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Paul Mulwitz)
17. 01:11 PM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (James E. Lanier)
18. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (William Dominguez)
19. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Bryan Martin)
20. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Bryan Martin)
21. 02:09 PM - 601 crashes (Jerry Hey)
22. 02:43 PM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (pavel569)
23. 03:10 PM - Re: 601 crashes (John Bolding)
24. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (ernie)
25. 05:16 PM - Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Gig Giacona)
26. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (James E. Lanier)
27. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Steve Shuck)
28. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash (Terry Phillips)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL wing jig |
We have just got to the stage of using the wing jig. We have a new kit Arrived
7th march 2008) with the pre drilled skins. The jig that was supplied with the
kit was different size to the main spar that was supplied. There fore the holes
did not line up. I contacted Zenith and was told that i did not need to use
the jig because the floor skin was pre drilled. All that was required is to use
the ply templates to set the angle.
Ianrat
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I'am looking at buying a 601UL and wondering if anybody has heard the out come
of the UK,601UL accident investigation.
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| Subject: | Really bad news....S&F crash |
I don't want to be the one that starts this thread but I just saw this on another
board and it will be posted here sooner or later.
I'm sick to my stomach because this may be the factory demonstrator. Somehow they
know it's a 601 but I can't find any news that lists the tail number. It's
red and white.... Prayers for the lost pilot. Very sad.
Here are a few links to news suggesting witness stated engine problems.
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?s=rss&storyid=77755
http://www.tbo.com/video/xml/MGBN8NVMREF.html
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601 XL kit N596SW reserved
Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
www.scottwaters.com
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
It gets worse.... here are some eyewitness accounts.
http://www.theledger.com/article/20080408/NEWS/804080399/1137/REPORTER
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
I found the N number on the FAA accident site. It is a CAW made in 2005 and registered
in November 2007.
Hopefully we can just wait for news instead of the same wild speculation we had
before. Witness reports are conflicting.......
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Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Hi Scott,
Its not the factory demo plane. Its N357DT which was a czech built plane
registered to Robert Dobson of Dahlonega, GA.
Thoughts and Prayers to the family of the pilot.
Here;s the FAA info:
********************************************************************************
** Report created 4/8/2008 Record 1 **
********************************************************************************
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 357DT Make/Model: CH60 Description: CH-600/601 Zodiac, Super
Zodiac
Date: 04/07/2008 Time: 2100
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: POLK CITY State: FL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES INTO A WOODED AREA, THE ONE
PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, POLK CITY, FL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: NOT REPORTED
OTHER DATA
Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: OTHER
FAA FSDO: ORLANDO, FL (SO15) Entry date: 04/08/2008
John Davis
601XL - Jab 3300
swater6 wrote:
>
> I don't want to be the one that starts this thread but I just saw this on another
board and it will be posted here sooner or later.
>
> I'm sick to my stomach because this may be the factory demonstrator. Somehow
they know it's a 601 but I can't find any news that lists the tail number. It's
red and white.... Prayers for the lost pilot. Very sad.
> Here are a few links to news suggesting witness stated engine problems.
>
> http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?s=rss&storyid=77755
>
> http://www.tbo.com/video/xml/MGBN8NVMREF.html
>
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> 601 XL kit N596SW reserved
> Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
>
> www.scottwaters.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175480#175480
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:08:53AM -0700, Tim Juhl wrote:
> It gets worse.... here are some eyewitness accounts.
> http://www.theledger.com/article/20080408/NEWS/804080399/1137/REPORTER
Uh oh...here we go again:
"Brownlow said he heard a "pretty loud pop" and looked up. He said one of
the wings of the small plane, he thinks it was the right one, was flapping
alongside the fuselage."
My condolences to the pilot's family, whoever they may be.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
I am a bit concerned with the repeated reports of wings "popping off".
I would like to know the details of the previous failures. Does the
failure occur at the connection point of the removable wings?
Is the failure the bolts themselves, or are the spars failing ? I don't
know it the NTSB reports specify this. Does anyone know?
Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:08:53AM -0700, Tim Juhl wrote:
>
>> It gets worse.... here are some eyewitness accounts.
>> http://www.theledger.com/article/20080408/NEWS/804080399/1137/REPORTER
>>
>
> Uh oh...here we go again:
>
> "Brownlow said he heard a "pretty loud pop" and looked up. He said one of
> the wings of the small plane, he thinks it was the right one, was flapping
> alongside the fuselage."
>
> My condolences to the pilot's family, whoever they may be.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Two guys, from my chapter, also went down yesterday in an RV10. No
survivors. They were in route from Lebanon TN to Sun-n-fun. Both great
guys. I feel for the families in both instances. My heart goes out to
them. Having known both of them, has perhaps, caused me to reflect on
the topic of speculation after one of these crashes.
Kevin Bonds
Jay Maynard wrote:
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> On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:08:53AM -0700, Tim Juhl wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Would anyone happen to know whether or not the suggested/recommended/approved modification
was made to the elevator control limits?
I just ordered of all things.... The wing center section and a bunch of other
items less than two hours ago. ( I found out that I was in fact screwed and could
not go any further if you happened to read my post "Am I screwed-Wing Center
Section"
My thoughts and prayers also go out to our fellow aviator who was lost.
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One Rivet at a Time!
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Per http://www.nowakfamily.com/airplane.htm, N357DT had a 30 gallon capacity, a center stick and a 26 knot stall speed with flaps extended.
Is it possible to get a 26 knot stall speed out of the standard wing/flap design
without modification?
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Just watched the video on the link.Beautiful plane flying nicely.Sad ending
for a plane that looked so well made.
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
According to FAA this N number was made by Czech Aircraft Works , so I guess its
the European ultralight version with standard empty weight of 595lbs, max gross
weight 992lbs. This type has (POH) the stall speeds as stated on the website
32 resp. 26knots.
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CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Oh no again,
What happened to the "independent engineer " we were supposed to pay in
order to get the XL checked.......
My condolences to the family.
Alberto Martin
Iberplanes IGL
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Espa=F1a
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From: James E. Lanier
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash
I am a bit concerned with the repeated reports of wings "popping off".
I would like to know the details of the previous failures. Does the
failure occur at the connection point of the removable wings?
Is the failure the bolts themselves, or are the spars failing ? I
don't know it the NTSB reports specify this. Does anyone know?
Jay Maynard wrote:
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:08:53AM -0700, Tim Juhl wrote:
It gets worse.... here are some eyewitness accounts.
http://www.theledger.com/article/20080408/NEWS/804080399/1137/REPORTER
Uh oh...here we go again:
"Brownlow said he heard a "pretty loud pop" and looked up. He said one
of
the wings of the small plane, he thinks it was the right one, was
flapping
alongside the fuselage."
My condolences to the pilot's family, whoever they may be.
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Hi Sabrina,
I would guess the low stall speed might be indicated rather than
calibrated airspeed and also might be at a lighter than gross
weight. Those sorts of details might not be important to a single
builder, but would be factored in by a manufacturer of many
(certified?) planes.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 12:08 PM 4/8/2008, you wrote:
>Is it possible to get a 26 knot stall speed out of the standard
>wing/flap design without modification?
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
This story seems to indicate that Dobson was the pilot. Very sad.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=af55d3aa-2e52-4854-8e04-67da234394c3
Jim
John Davis wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Its not the factory demo plane. Its N357DT which was a czech built
> plane registered to Robert Dobson of Dahlonega, GA.
>
> Thoughts and Prayers to the family of the pilot.
>
> Here;s the FAA info:
> ********************************************************************************
> ** Report created 4/8/2008 Record 1
**
> ********************************************************************************
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 357DT Make/Model: CH60 Description: CH-600/601 Zodiac,
Super Zodiac
> Date: 04/07/2008 Time: 2100
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Destroyed
>
> LOCATION
> City: POLK CITY State: FL Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES INTO A WOODED AREA, THE ONE
> PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, POLK CITY, FL
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
>
> WEATHER: NOT REPORTED
>
> OTHER DATA
> Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: OTHER
>
>
> FAA FSDO: ORLANDO, FL (SO15) Entry date: 04/08/2008
>
>
>
> John Davis
> 601XL - Jab 3300
>
> swater6 wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to be the one that starts this thread but I just saw this on another
board and it will be posted here sooner or later.
>>
>> I'm sick to my stomach because this may be the factory demonstrator. Somehow
they know it's a 601 but I can't find any news that lists the tail number.
It's red and white.... Prayers for the lost pilot. Very sad.
>> Here are a few links to news suggesting witness stated engine problems.
>>
>> http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?s=rss&storyid=77755
>>
>> http://www.tbo.com/video/xml/MGBN8NVMREF.html
>>
>> --------
>> 601 XL kit N596SW reserved
>> Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
>>
>> www.scottwaters.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175480#175480
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
According to the owner's web site:
Max Load 1320lb
Empty Weight 735lb
http://www.nowakfamily.com/airplane.htm
This do not qualify as an European ultralight. As far as I know, the European and
American version of the XL are structurally the same.
According to the web site, this particular plane appears to have been on sale for
$74,000. I wonder if the plane was sold and the accident happened to the new
owner. My condolences to the family.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
According to FAA this N number was made by Czech Aircraft Works , so I guess its
the European ultralight version with standard empty weight of 595lbs, max gross
weight 992lbs. This type has (POH) the stall speeds as stated on the website
32 resp. 26knots.
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
The website states that as 26 knots indicated air speed. That is
entirely possible since most air speed indicators read quite a bit less
than calibrated air speed near the stall.
Sabrina wrote:
>
> Per http://www.nowakfamily.com/airplane.htm, N357DT had a 30 gallon capacity, a center stick and a 26 knot stall speed with flaps extended.
>
> Is it possible to get a 26 knot stall speed out of the standard wing/flap design
without modification?
>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Eye witness reports are notoriously unreliable, especially in a case
like this where the witness may not be familiar with aircraft and is
probably not a trained observer. Lets just wait for the evidence to be
examined before we start speculating on what may have caused the crash.
Eye witnesses in Australia also reported wings falling off in the recent
crash there. It was later reported that the wings were intact and showed
no signs of in-flight breakup when the plane was finally recovered from
the sea floor.
James E. Lanier wrote:
> I am a bit concerned with the repeated reports of wings "popping off".
> I would like to know the details of the previous failures. Does the
> failure occur at the connection point of the removable wings?
> Is the failure the bolts themselves, or are the spars failing ? I don't
> know it the NTSB reports specify this. Does anyone know?
>
>
>
> Jay Maynard wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:08:53AM -0700, Tim Juhl wrote:
>>
>>> It gets worse.... here are some eyewitness accounts.
>>> http://www.theledger.com/article/20080408/NEWS/804080399/1137/REPORTER
>>>
>>
>> Uh oh...here we go again:
>>
>> "Brownlow said he heard a "pretty loud pop" and looked up. He said one of
>> the wings of the small plane, he thinks it was the right one, was flapping
>> alongside the fuselage."
>>
>> My condolences to the pilot's family, whoever they may be.
>>
>
> *
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Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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I am not a 601 builder or pilot. My heart goes out to all the 601
guys. I would not take a demo ride in one until what is going on is
understood and remedied.
I am about to start scratch building a 701. I have built tube and rag
in the past.
The 601 crashes have caused me to take another look at the 701. Quite
honestly, I love this airplane and it is probably strong enough to
never have a structural failure BUT nobody could call it rugged. The
thin skins, widely separated ribs, continual talk about oil canning.
I can imagine ia 701 is not difficult to dent. Perhaps the trade off
of structure vs weight has tilted too far toward light weight. Maybe
that is true but just for me. Others would quite rightly feel different.
I would not mind adding a few pounds of toughness to my airplane.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
> This do not qualify as an European ultralight. As far as I know, the European
and American version of the XL are structurally the same.
According to the CAW POH for Zodiac 601XL with Rotax 912 as it came on my CD (file
"Zodiac XL POH Sample) together with ZAC manuals and other stuff has really
400lbs less gross weight and indicated stall airspeed 32-26knots, 37-33knots
calibrated.
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
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The 601 and 701 are VERY far apart in design . not even apples and oranges,
more like apples and a Buick.
The 701 has been around for almost 20 yrs (1986 I think) and until recently
when a pilot dug in a wingtip on a low, LOW buzz job , there had never been
a fatality in one. In the homebuilt arena that is almost unheard of. It may
even be the only design that can claim that. Remarkable considering how
many there are and the conditions they are flown in.
Be cautious about adding "toughness" without proper engineering, making
things worse is EASY to do when you change highly loaded, lightweight
structures willy nilly.
Speaking about engineering, you guys gonna keep wringing your hands and
whining or DO something?? LO&SLO John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <jerry@jerryhey.com>
> I am about to start scratch building a 701. I have built tube and rag in
> the past.
>
> The 601 crashes have caused me to take another look at the 701. Quite
> honestly, I love this airplane and it is probably strong enough to never
> have a structural failure BUT nobody could call it rugged. The thin
> skins, widely separated ribs, continual talk about oil canning. I can
> imagine ia 701 is not difficult to dent. Perhaps the trade off of
> structure vs weight has tilted too far toward light weight. Maybe that is
> true but just for me. Others would quite rightly feel different.
>
> I would not mind adding a few pounds of toughness to my airplane.
>
> Jerry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
good point
On 4/8/08, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Eye witness reports are notoriously unreliable, especially in a case
> like this where the witness may not be familiar with aircraft and is
> probably not a trained observer. Lets just wait for the evidence to be
> examined before we start speculating on what may have caused the crash.
>
> Eye witnesses in Australia also reported wings falling off in the recent
> crash there. It was later reported that the wings were intact and showed
> no signs of in-flight breakup when the plane was finally recovered from
> the sea floor.
>
> James E. Lanier wrote:
> > I am a bit concerned with the repeated reports of wings "popping off".
> > I would like to know the details of the previous failures. Does the
> > failure occur at the connection point of the removable wings?
> > Is the failure the bolts themselves, or are the spars failing ? I don't
> > know it the NTSB reports specify this. Does anyone know?
> >
> >
> >
> > Jay Maynard wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:08:53AM -0700, Tim Juhl wrote:
> >>
> >>> It gets worse.... here are some eyewitness accounts.
> >>> http://www.theledger.com/article/20080408/NEWS/804080399/1137/REPORTER
> >>>
> >>
> >> Uh oh...here we go again:
> >>
> >> "Brownlow said he heard a "pretty loud pop" and looked up. He said one of
> >> the wings of the small plane, he thinks it was the right one, was
> flapping
> >> alongside the fuselage."
> >>
> >> My condolences to the pilot's family, whoever they may be.
> >>
> >
> > *
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> Zenith 601XL N61BM
> Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Because of the proximity to SnF there's little doubt that better information will
come from this accident than the previous ones. And if not better at least
more.
As many have said let's not guess or listen to untrained eye-witnesses. The facts
will come.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Perhaps we will get better information. The publicly available NTSC
reports I have read are not very informative. The link below is very
informative (British Accident Report).
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources/Zenair%20CH601UL,%20G-YOXI%2005-07.pdf
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_2007/zenair_ch601ul__g_yoxi.cfm
BTW this is the news video of the sun'n fun accident.
http://www.baynews9.com/VideoPlayer/?Plane_Crashes_In_Polk_City_47
Jim
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> Because of the proximity to SnF there's little doubt that better information
will come from this accident than the previous ones. And if not better at least
more.
>
> As many have said let's not guess or listen to untrained eye-witnesses. The facts
will come.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175595#175595
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
Someone stalled it...
I'm still In..
Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh no again,
What happened to the "independent engineer " we were supposed to pay in order
to get the XL checked.......
My condolences to the family.
Alberto Martin
Iberplanes IGL
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Espaa
----- Original Message -----
From: James E. Lanier
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash
I am a bit concerned with the repeated reports of wings "popping off". I would
like to know the details of the previous failures. Does the failure occur at
the connection point of the removable wings?
Is the failure the bolts themselves, or are the spars failing ? I don't know it
the NTSB reports specify this. Does anyone know?
Jay Maynard wrote:
It gets worse.... here are some eyewitness accounts. http://www.theledger.com/article/20080408/NEWS/804080399/1137/REPORTER
Uh oh...here we go again: "Brownlow said he heard a "pretty loud pop" and
looked up. He said one of the wings of the small plane, he thinks it was the
right one, was flapping alongside the fuselage." My condolences to the pilot's
family, whoever they may be.
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| Subject: | Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
I'm still in.
IIRC, Andy Shontz initiated the thread asking listers for a yea or nay on
the analysis. So, I'd hope that Andy would take the lead to make the
analysis happen.
I'm not an aeronautical engineer, and I've never worked in the aerospace
industries. Consequently, I don't know any aeronautical engineers.
However, a former colleague from Los Alamos is the now Dean of Engineering
at Embry-Riddle, Prescott. If Andy is agreeable, I could send him an email
to see if he could recommend someone qualified and available to do the
analysis. Let me know if you're interested, Andy. He would need to know how
much cash was on the table. It would be worth 3 or 4 hundred bucks to me.
Terry
At 09:47 PM 4/8/2008 +0200, you wrote:
>Oh no again,
>
>
>What happened to the "independent engineer " we were supposed to pay in
>order to get the XL checked.......
>
>My condolences to the family.
>
>
>Alberto Martin
>Iberplanes IGL
><http://www.iberplanes.es>http://www.iberplanes.es
>Igualada - Barcelona - Espa=F1a
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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