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1. 06:54 AM - Re: Project for sale (jhines)
2. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale (japhillipsga@aol.com)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: Project for sale (Gig Giacona)
4. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale (japhillipsga@aol.com)
5. 12:08 PM - AOA ports location (pavel569)
6. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale (Rick Lindstrom)
7. 12:52 PM - Re: AOA ports location (Rick Lindstrom)
8. 12:52 PM - Re: AOA ports location (Craig Payne)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: Project for sale (Gig Giacona)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: stirring the pot (John Bolding)
11. 01:12 PM - Re: AOA ports location (pavel569)
12. 01:23 PM - Re: AOA ports location (lwinger)
13. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale (Rick Lindstrom)
14. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: stirring the pot (Rick Lindstrom)
15. 02:06 PM - Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! (Zed Smith)
16. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale (japhillipsga@aol.com)
17. 02:24 PM - Re: Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! (steve)
18. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (Paul Mulwitz)
19. 02:47 PM - Re: Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! (Leo Gates)
20. 02:51 PM - Re: Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! (John Bolding)
21. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (steve)
22. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (Jay Maynard)
23. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
24. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (Jay Maynard)
25. 04:28 PM - Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (kmccune)
26. 04:31 PM - Re: Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! (kmccune)
27. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (steve)
28. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (Paul Mulwitz)
29. 05:32 PM - Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (Andrewlieser)
30. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (Jay Maynard)
31. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. (steve)
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Guys,
I have had a bunch of people ask if I would sell the engine mount by its self.
I would prefer to sell if all together. If I can't i may consider it and I will
let you all know.
Thanks,
John
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John Hines
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Guys and John, I have a new engine mount for a XL I can let go. Fits a Jab 3300,
has been primed and never mounted. Price will be good. Let me know via e-mail.
Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: jhines <johnrhines@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 9:50 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
Guys,
I have had a bunch of people ask if I would sell the engine mount by its self.
I would prefer to sell if all together. If I can't i may consider it and I will
let you all know.
Thanks,
John
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John Hines
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Bill, anybody can get a Jab engine mount. To get a Corvair one takes skill and/or
patience.
:)
japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> Guys and John, I have a new engine mount for a XL I can let go. Fits a Jab 3300,
has been primed and never mounted. Price will be good. Let me know via e-mail.
Bill of Georgia
>
>
> --
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Gig, you are probably correct, but who would really want one? I once had a Corvair
in 1968. It was green and I abandoned it on the side of the road in Tennessee.
I suppose it's still there? I certainly would never consider flying behind
one and as poorly as they perform I don't ever expect?to. Best regards, Bill
of Georgia?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:42 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
Bill, anybody can get a Jab engine mount. To get a Corvair one takes skill
and/or patience.
:)
japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> Guys and John, I have a new engine mount for a XL I can let go. Fits a Jab
3300, has been primed and never mounted. Price will be good. Let me know via
e-mail. Bill of Georgia
>
>
> --
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | AOA ports location |
I'm working on 601XL right wing now and I'd like to know if anyone of you have
installed AOA ports directly into the wing, i.e. Advanced Flight Systems AOA Instrument.
I'm going to use Stratomaster Enigma or Voyager as my primary flight
instrument and it has a AOA ports input, so only thing I need to do is to drill
holes in the wing and connect them to the Stratomaster. I've looked for any
advice for where they should be located over the net but found nothing. AFS
website doesn't have specific ports location for the Zodiac. Any help will be
appreciated.
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table ....
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Holy Moley Bill!!
The Corvair engine sitting in your old green car and what ends up mounted to the
firewall are two different things - AFTER the engine gets a case-up rebuild
with a long list of modifications.
In fact, I was so impressed with the engine in its aviation form that I picked
the engine FIRST, and THEN went looking for an airframe to stick behind it.
Currently there's a whole mess of 'em flyin' around in all sorts of airframes.
And the development of refinements keeps going on and on.
Take a gander at kitplanes.com, go to the blog, and see for yourself just how purty
these little powerplants have become.
"...but who would really want one?" Your puttin' us on, right?
Rick Lindstrom
Zenvair 601 XL
-----Original Message-----
>From: japhillipsga@aol.com
>Sent: Apr 15, 2008 11:25 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
>
>Gig, you are probably correct, but who would really want one? I once had a Corvair
in 1968. It was green and I abandoned it on the side of the road in Tennessee.
I suppose it's still there? I certainly would never consider flying behind
one and as poorly as they perform I don't ever expect?to. Best regards, Bill
of Georgia?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:42 am
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
>
>
>
>Bill, anybody can get a Jab engine mount. To get a Corvair one takes skill
>and/or patience.
>
>:)
>
>
>japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Guys and John, I have a new engine mount for a XL I can let go. Fits a Jab
>3300, has been primed and never mounted. Price will be good. Let me know via
>e-mail. Bill of Georgia
>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176950#176950
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOA ports location |
Hi, Pavel.
To quote from the original AOA installation manual from 1998, inventor Jim Frantz
wrote:
"There are some places where pressure ports should not be located...such as in
line with the propeller wash, too close to the wing tip, and in areas too difficult
to access. Generally 10 to 25% MAC and not too close to the wing tip will
work well."
On Jim's Lancair, I recall seeing the ports about a foot in from the edge of the
wingtip, and about the same distance back from the leading edge. As long as
you get good differential pressures between the top and bottom skins that vary
linearly with the wing's angle of attack, you'll be OK.
Rick Lindstrom
-----Original Message-----
>From: pavel569 <pm569@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Apr 15, 2008 12:05 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: AOA ports location
>
>
>I'm working on 601XL right wing now and I'd like to know if anyone of you have
installed AOA ports directly into the wing, i.e. Advanced Flight Systems AOA
Instrument. I'm going to use Stratomaster Enigma or Voyager as my primary flight
instrument and it has a AOA ports input, so only thing I need to do is to drill
holes in the wing and connect them to the Stratomaster. I've looked for any
advice for where they should be located over the net but found nothing. AFS
website doesn't have specific ports location for the Zodiac. Any help will be
appreciated.
>
>--------
>Pavel
>CA
>Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
>Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table ....
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177012#177012
>
>
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| Subject: | AOA ports location |
Rainier (head of MGL) wrote this on the Stratomaster Users Yahoo list:
"Positioning the ports is not hugely critical. A good rule of thumb would be
perhaps 50% between leading edge and maximum profile thickness or perhaps a
bit closer to the LE. It really is not very critical."
AFS's install manual gives some guidance on cord distance. I have embedded 5
pictures of the right wing of Mike Sigman's 601XL (N7092N). Basically he
placed the probes forward (but close to) the spar and outside (but close to)
the outmost nose rib. Just don't forget to offset the upper and lower probes
so they don't hit when you close the wing J.
My reading indicates that the placement is not extremely critical and that
the calibration can accommodated a range of placements.
If the pictures don't make it through let me know and I'll mail them to you
direct.
BTW: it is a good idea to provide a way to drain the upper port. If you look
at the AFS documents you can see how they do this. you can build your own
out of off-the-shelf parts: two flush static ports, some tubing and "T"s and
a fuel tank drain.
-- Craig
IMG_0938
IMG_0937
IMG_0930
IMG_0931
IMG_0932
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Bill, Rick said it better than I but I will add....
Wanna race? :)
japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> Gig, you are probably correct, but who would really want one? I once had a Corvair
in 1968. It was green and I abandoned it on the side of the road in Tennessee.
I suppose it's still there? I certainly would never consider flying behind
one and as poorly as they perform I don't ever expect to. Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
>
>
> --
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: stirring the pot |
It's this type of statement I won't miss when the 701/801 list arrives.
Hurry up Matt !!
John
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
Gig, you are probably correct, but who would really want one? I once
had a Corvair in 1968. It was green and I abandoned it on the side of
the road in Tennessee. I suppose it's still there? I certainly would
never consider flying behind one and as poorly as they perform I don't
ever expect to. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: AOA ports location |
Rick, Craig
thanks a lot. I know the placement is not critical but why to try something that
was done already, right? Craig, I'm planning to install a drain valve for the
upper port as you recommend. Thanks again.
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table ....
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| Subject: | Re: AOA ports location |
I am also using the AFS ports with the MGL Avionics EFIS. Here is what I wrote
in my weblog at the time:
In order to place my AOA (Angle of Attack) ports, I needed to determine the wing
chord. That is the front-to-back distance from the leading edge to the very
back tip of the aileron or flap (depending on where you are measuring). After
you determine the chord, you then figure 15% to 40% of that, and you have the
range for port placement. In my case, I measured the chord about 150mm inboard
of RR9 where it is 1470mm, placing the 15% location at 220mm and the 40% at 588mm.
Given that range, I selected 255mm (17.3%) back from the leading edge, which
is about 90mm ahead of the main spar rivet line (on the top of the wing).
This allows room for the tubing coming from the upper port to have a short section
that goes uphill, as specified in the plans.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair from scratch
Control surfaces and wings complete.
Bottom rear fuselage and firewall done
Ready for wing jig alignment
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Not on your tintype, Gig!
At least not until I get some gold parts, too! Everyone knows they go faster.
rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>Sent: Apr 15, 2008 12:59 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
>
>
>Bill, Rick said it better than I but I will add....
>
>Wanna race? :)
>
>
>japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Gig, you are probably correct, but who would really want one? I once had a Corvair
in 1968. It was green and I abandoned it on the side of the road in Tennessee.
I suppose it's still there? I certainly would never consider flying behind
one and as poorly as they perform I don't ever expect to. Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177028#177028
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: stirring the pot |
Ah, but think of it as an education opportunity... and you'll probable see such
comments no matter what list you're on!
rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
>Sent: Apr 15, 2008 1:04 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: stirring the pot
>
>It's this type of statement I won't miss when the 701/801 list arrives. Hurry
up Matt !!
>John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: japhillipsga@aol.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
>
>
> Gig, you are probably correct, but who would really want one? I once had a Corvair
in 1968. It was green and I abandoned it on the side of the road in Tennessee.
I suppose it's still there? I certainly would never consider flying behind
one and as poorly as they perform I don't ever expect to. Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! |
do not archive
Will there be a separate List for admirers of green ScotchBrite pads??
Wonderful afternoon in North Texas....66 degrees F, viz is so good we can see the
top of the sky.
Regards to all,
Zed/do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Rick, I suppose I'm just so soiled and jaded from 130 hours of flying my Jab 3300
powered XL. Not worrying about 40? year old crank breaking, or my one spark
plug per jug fowling out or the weak oil pump pushing enough lube to the top
end side in a long turning bank and frying a valve or two, or simple metal fatigue
from the stress to the case of too few and too small main bearings just to
name a few. No, I really am a little "e" in Experimental kind of guy. I also
prefer an engine I don't have to worry much about, no oil leaking out the bottom?and
starts when it's supposed to. On the other hand, I applaud folks that
seek ways to recycle and conserve. And I'm happy for and admire folks that have
a cause and diligently stick with it no matter what. Though I have met a couple
fellows who had Corvair engines in the 601s and could not get to 120 and were
disappointed and replaced them with other power. Course, that could be abnormal.
No, on the whole I just look at flying differe
ntly than you all do, but I will defend your right to that difference. Oh, by
the way, I have an extra 3300 mount for a XL when your interested. Best regards,
Bill?
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
Holy Moley Bill!!
The Corvair engine sitting in your old green car and what ends up mounted to the
firewall are two different things - AFTER the engine gets a case-up rebuild with
a long list of modifications.
In fact, I was so impressed with the engine in its aviation form that I picked
the engine FIRST, and THEN went looking for an airframe to stick behind it.
Currently there's a whole mess of 'em flyin' around in all sorts of airframes.
And the development of refinements keeps going on and on.
Take a gander at kitplanes.com, go to the blog, and see for yourself just how
purty these little powerplants have become.
"...but who would really want one?" Your puttin' us on, right?
Rick Lindstrom
Zenvair 601 XL
-----Original Message-----
>From: japhillipsga@aol.com
>Sent: Apr 15, 2008 11:25 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
>
>Gig, you are probably correct, but who would really want one? I once had a
Corvair in 1968. It was green and I abandoned it on the side of the road in
Tennessee. I suppose it's still there? I certainly would never consider flying
behind one and as poorly as they perform I don't ever expect?to. Best regards,
Bill of Georgia?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:42 am
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Project for sale
>
>
>
>Bill, anybody can get a Jab engine mount. To get a Corvair one takes skill
>and/or patience.
>
>:)
>
>
>japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Guys and John, I have a new engine mount for a XL I can let go. Fits a Jab
>3300, has been primed and never mounted. Price will be good. Let me know via
>e-mail. Bill of Georgia
>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176950#176950
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! |
Warning to all, The green scotchbright pads come apart ,,..
I will not use them.
Sw
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!!
>
> do not archive
>
> Will there be a separate List for admirers of green ScotchBrite pads??
>
> Wonderful afternoon in North Texas....66 degrees F, viz is so good we can
> see the top of the sky.
>
> Regards to all,
> Zed/do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
At 07:13 PM 4/13/2008, you wrote:
>There is another, similarly optimistic way to look at it. This is
>creeping morally closer to the idea that someone could exercise
>responsibilities similar to those of a regular Private Pilot without a
>Class 3 medical. Let's see....
Actually, this is already the case. As an aging Private Pilot, I can
exercise those privileges so long as I limit myself to VFR/Day and
LSA. I don't really consider the VFR/Day limits particularly
limiting, and the LSA is a fair trade-off for the lack of a medical.
I would like to see the class 3 dropped altogether, and then I could
fly with full Private Pilot privileges including any aircraft, IFR,
and night. I expect that to happen some time, but not necessarily
soon. The notion that a Class 3 medical makes it OK to fly with a
Private Pilot when nearly all the accidents on record come from pilot
error is shaky at best.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! |
I have some maroon and some green ScotchBright pads. To be safe I used
both. (;-) 78 degrees F in San Antonio, South Texas, and severe clear.
absolutely do not archive
--
Leo Gates
N601Z - CH601HDS TDO
Rotax 912UL
Zed Smith wrote:
>
> do not archive
>
> Will there be a separate List for admirers of green ScotchBrite pads??
>
> Wonderful afternoon in North Texas....66 degrees F, viz is so good we can see
the top of the sky.
>
> Regards to all,
> Zed/do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re:Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! |
Zed, you're the only guy I worry about on the "new" list. :-) LO&SLO
John
p.s.
AHHH something I've meant to mention but my mental hard drive had a
partial crash a couple days ago..
Sebastian told a buddy of mine during SUNNYFUN that the 750 would also be
available in PLANS, as well as kits and QuickBuild. This is GOOD NEWS.
> do not archive
> Will there be a separate List for admirers of green ScotchBrite pads??
> Regards to all,
> Zed/do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
OK heres my factoid. .03% ( point zero three ) of aviation accidents are
medical related.
Well that was in 2005.....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs.
>
> At 07:13 PM 4/13/2008, you wrote:
>>There is another, similarly optimistic way to look at it. This is
>>creeping morally closer to the idea that someone could exercise
>>responsibilities similar to those of a regular Private Pilot without a
>>Class 3 medical. Let's see....
>
>
> Actually, this is already the case. As an aging Private Pilot, I can
> exercise those privileges so long as I limit myself to VFR/Day and LSA. I
> don't really consider the VFR/Day limits particularly limiting, and the
> LSA is a fair trade-off for the lack of a medical.
>
> I would like to see the class 3 dropped altogether, and then I could fly
> with full Private Pilot privileges including any aircraft, IFR, and night.
> I expect that to happen some time, but not necessarily soon. The notion
> that a Class 3 medical makes it OK to fly with a Private Pilot when nearly
> all the accidents on record come from pilot error is shaky at best.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 02:42:21PM -0700, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> Actually, this is already the case. As an aging Private Pilot, I can
> exercise those privileges so long as I limit myself to VFR/Day and
> LSA. I don't really consider the VFR/Day limits particularly
> limiting, and the LSA is a fair trade-off for the lack of a medical.
Personally, I'd like to be able to fly at night...
> I would like to see the class 3 dropped altogether, and then I could
> fly with full Private Pilot privileges including any aircraft, IFR,
> and night. I expect that to happen some time, but not necessarily
> soon. The notion that a Class 3 medical makes it OK to fly with a
> Private Pilot when nearly all the accidents on record come from pilot
> error is shaky at best.
Yeah. It's for that day, or the day when they significantly relax the
requirements for a class 3 medical, that I specified a fully IFR-capable
aircraft.
do not archive
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
Do you really plan on flying IFR in a 601 or 701? Would think you would
bounce too much to enjoy the flight. Maybe I am getting too old but I would not
plan on a IFR flight and would land ASAP if I hit IFR condititon. Jerry of GA
In a message dated 4/15/2008 6:41:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmaynard@conmicro.com writes:
Yeah. It's for that day, or the day when they significantly relax the
requirements for a class 3 medical, that I specified a fully IFR-capable
aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 06:57:49PM -0400, Jeyoung65@aol.com wrote:
> Do you really plan on flying IFR in a 601 or 701? Would think you would
> bounce too much to enjoy the flight. Maybe I am getting too old but I
> would not plan on a IFR flight and would land ASAP if I hit IFR
> condititon. Jerry of GA
Well, I'm certainly not planning on flying hard IFR in it, but I do believe
the instrument rating would allow me to fly on days that would be marginal
for VFR flight but not all that bad for an instrument pilot.
The AMD sales manager/test pilot tells me he's got 500 hours actual in
Zodiacs; he commutes from home, an hour or so away by air, to the factory.
do not archive
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Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
The only way I want to fly IFR is on NWA, and I'd rather drive! Now in the 701
(when it gets done) I want to see whats there! Of course thats why the 701 and
not a RV or Sonex or 601 ...
Kevin
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Stiring....but I didn't inhale!!! |
Shush... don't tell the 601 guys [Wink]
Thats great news if its true, I wonder in any 701 tails parts fit..... [Laughing]
Kevin
John Bolding wrote:
>
> Sebastian told a buddy of mine during SUNNYFUN that the 750 would also be
> available in PLANS, as well as kits and QuickBuild. This is GOOD NEWS.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > do not archive
> > Will there be a separate List for admirers of green ScotchBrite pads??
> >
> >
>
>
> > Regards to all,
> > Zed/do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
Many aircraft are IFR "capable" but really should stay on the ground when
IMC.....
IMHO
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs.
>
> The only way I want to fly IFR is on NWA, and I'd rather drive! Now in the
> 701 (when it gets done) I want to see whats there! Of course thats why the
> 701 and not a RV or Sonex or 601 ...
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
> things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
> bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your
> sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177084#177084
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
>Many aircraft are IFR "capable" but really should stay on the ground
>when IMC.....
Hi Steve,
I agree with you completely.
Still, in the real world real people who fly cross country fly into
conditions where it is difficult to impossible to maintain control of
their planes simply by outside visual reference. In these inevitable
situations it is a life saver to be able to perform simple control of
the airplane solely by reference to instruments. Needle, ball, and
airspeed is enough. With no gyros or no instrument flying skills at
all the outcome of these incidents is nearly always fatal. It just
doesn't have to be that way.
The skill and equipment I am describing has very little to do with
IFR flight. It is simple stick and rudder skill with instruments
replacing the windshield for pilot orientation. In many ways, IFR
flight is more about dealing with the "System" than the airplane. It
includes filing and following complicated flight
plans. Understanding, copying and reading back
clearances. Navigating without outside reference. Dealing with air
traffic controllers, vectors, and all the complicated radio out
procedures. On the airplane level, IFR flight includes doing things
like zero/zero takeoffs, instrument approaches, and staying focused
for hours while the whole world inside and outside your plane is
trying to distract you. And then there is the whole area of dealing
with weather you can't see like ice and thunderstorms.
Considering all that, single pilot IFR flight in a light small poorly
equipped plane is not something I would want to do. However, being
able to survive brief periods of limited visibility and no clear
horizon to stay oriented is an ability I think all pilots and planes
should have.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
I wouldn't even fly IFR with NWA!!!! Joking of course, but in all honesty just
because its "IFR" does not automatically mean the rides are crap and that you
would be bouncing all over the place. True this DOES happen but I've flown IFR
days were the rides are better than that of a VFR day. An example would be
when there's a real stable air mass and visibility sucks, or there's a real low
layer of stratiform clouds that top out at 5-6 thousand feet. In both those
situations the IFR / IMC would be usually very smooth and most likely easily
handled by any aircraft including the 601! Just my 2 cents on the IFR capabilities
of a 601.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 05:00:37PM -0700, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> Considering all that, single pilot IFR flight in a light small poorly
> equipped plane is not something I would want to do. However, being
> able to survive brief periods of limited visibility and no clear
> horizon to stay oriented is an ability I think all pilots and planes
> should have.
"It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than the other
way around."
Proper preflight planning and conservative decision making should keep me
out of trouble...but the possibility always exists, and I want as many tools
in the box as I can get. N55ZC is intended as a cross country cruiser, and
the IFR instrumentation and avionics may just save my hide one day. I'll be
happy if I never need it (at least, as things stand now). Even if I never
file an IFR flight plan.
If the rules change to the point that I can get an instrument rating, the
aircraft will be ready. Even then, my decision making will be biased toward
only going if it's practical. To that end, I plan to get with my friendly
neighborhood CFII and take a couple of real IFR trips in real, but light,
IMC just to see what it's like for real. Being able to file /G is a plus.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs. |
I agree Paul.
If being able to depart the airport in limited visability and then bust out
on top for that smooth and beautiful trip, its a good thing.
If however people think that an experimental aircraft (most, not all) are as
stable as a Cessna or Piper they may want to take an actual ride in the real
IMC.
My past experience was that in my Cessnas and then Pipers, I just went for
the gusto.. But in my two other experimentals I had lots of other worries.
Worries like that ol uncertified engine, Did I tightend "that" bolt to
specs etc...
I m one for not pushing the weather situation much. Yes, I ve scud run in
the past. After landing, I thanked the BIG GUY for getting me through the
mess. Geeze, in fact now days I dont fly at night.
Remember the thought of a power failure at night ? First thing you do is to
turn off all electricial. Just before landing out there in a field you turn
on the electricial/landing light. If you dont like what you see, turn off
the electricial...
enjoy.................................................
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Proposed changes to sport pilot regs.
>
>
>>Many aircraft are IFR "capable" but really should stay on the ground when
>>IMC.....
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I agree with you completely.
>
> Still, in the real world real people who fly cross country fly into
> conditions where it is difficult to impossible to maintain control of
> their planes simply by outside visual reference. In these inevitable
> situations it is a life saver to be able to perform simple control of the
> airplane solely by reference to instruments. Needle, ball, and airspeed
> is enough. With no gyros or no instrument flying skills at all the
> outcome of these incidents is nearly always fatal. It just doesn't have
> to be that way.
>
> The skill and equipment I am describing has very little to do with IFR
> flight. It is simple stick and rudder skill with instruments replacing
> the windshield for pilot orientation. In many ways, IFR flight is more
> about dealing with the "System" than the airplane. It includes filing and
> following complicated flight plans. Understanding, copying and reading
> back clearances. Navigating without outside reference. Dealing with air
> traffic controllers, vectors, and all the complicated radio out
> procedures. On the airplane level, IFR flight includes doing things like
> zero/zero takeoffs, instrument approaches, and staying focused for hours
> while the whole world inside and outside your plane is trying to distract
> you. And then there is the whole area of dealing with weather you can't
> see like ice and thunderstorms.
>
> Considering all that, single pilot IFR flight in a light small poorly
> equipped plane is not something I would want to do. However, being able
> to survive brief periods of limited visibility and no clear horizon to
> stay oriented is an ability I think all pilots and planes should have.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
>
>
>
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