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     1. 02:45 AM - Re: tuning the altimeter (rroberts)
     2. 02:51 AM - Re: 701 bellcrank (rroberts)
     3. 04:16 AM - Re: Bending Brake (Debo Cox)
     4. 08:06 AM - Re: tuning the altimeter (billmileski)
     5. 08:21 AM - Proposed Changes in LSA rules (Gig Giacona)
     6. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: tuning the altimeter (Bill Steer)
     7. 09:19 AM - Re: Bending Brake (Malcolm Hunt)
     8. 09:27 AM - Re: tuning the altimeter (billmileski)
     9. 11:06 AM - 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Mitch Hodges)
    10. 11:20 AM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (steve)
    11. 11:21 AM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Craig Payne)
    12. 12:21 PM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Mitch Hodges)
    13. 01:36 PM - Stripping little-teeny wires (Richard Vetterli)
    14. 02:11 PM - Re: Stripping little-teeny wires (Jeff)
    15. 02:16 PM - Re: Stripping little-teeny wires (Rick Lindstrom)
    16. 02:20 PM - Re: Stripping little-teeny wires (Sabrina)
    17. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Bob Sturgis)
    18. 04:59 PM - Re: 601 xl wing-spar-skin -rivet strength (Jerry Shepard)
    19. 05:38 PM - Re: LSA was for manufacturers and nobody else (Paul Mulwitz)
    20. 06:04 PM - recent accident (bert murillo)
    21. 06:16 PM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Mitch Hodges)
    22. 06:39 PM - Habla anyone? (cookwithgas)
    23. 07:28 PM - Re: Habla anyone? (Craig Payne)
    24. 07:38 PM - Re: 601 xl wing-spar-skin -rivet strength (Cndmovn)
    25. 08:00 PM - Re: Habla anyone? (raymondj)
    26. 08:11 PM - Re: Habla anyone? (Craig Payne)
    27. 08:13 PM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Debo Cox)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: tuning the altimeter | 
      
      
      My Falcon altimeter was off as well but it has a fine tune adjustment just above
      the knob.  Remove that screw and basically pull back a collar then tweek to
      ensure the pressure window and FE are correct.  viola....
      
      --------
      Low & Slow
      Rick
      www.n701rr.com
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177364#177364
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 701 bellcrank | 
      
      
      yep, me too.  small board across the elevator to ensure it was neutral then used
      some shims and bungees to hold the stick neutral as measured off the seat front
      and floor as well...I called the stick neutral when I positioned it 90 degrees
      to the floor.  (as I recall)  its been a while..
      
      --------
      Low & Slow
      Rick
      www.n701rr.com
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Zenith-List:Bending Brake | 
      
      I just bent the longerons on my "Dave's Brake" for my XL, and they're .040 and
      even longer - 1980mm or so if  remember correctly. They came out fine. You can
      see pics of them at my Kitlog site if you're interested (link below.)
         
        There are a couple of special considerations I think. Email me off-list and I'll
      let you know what worked for me.
         
        Debo Cox
        Nags Head, NC
        Making fuselage parts
        www.mykitlog.com/debo
         
        doughnut archive
        also - do not archive
      
      Graeme <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au> wrote:
                    Has any one who has a Dave Clay designed bender used it to bend CH701
      longerons.
        They are .040thou and approx 1830mm long.
        If so was it successful with a good bend or problems??
         
        Thanks in advance 
        Graemecns
      
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| Subject:  | Re: tuning the altimeter | 
      
      
      Rick, 
      Could you describe what "pulling back a collar" is.. I tried to adjust my altimeter
      with the screw removed, but couldn't figure out how to get the knob to move
      only the altitude indication (or Kollsman pressure, not sure which is the one
      that is disconnected when the screw is out).
      
      
      Bill
      701 912S 120-ish hours
      Ledyard, CT
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177423#177423
      
      
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| Subject:  | Proposed Changes in LSA rules | 
      
      
      If anyone is interested the proposed rule changes have been posted to the federal
      docket.
      
      Here's a link.
      
      http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/08-1127.pdf
      
      --------
      W.R. "Gig" Giacona
      601XL Under Construction
      See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177425#177425
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: tuning the altimeter | 
      
      
      If you have a Falcon altimeter, you can get detailed instructions, 
      including diagrams, from their web site - www.falcongauge.com.  If the 
      adjustment is to be done in the plane, the basic steps are:
      
      1. Set the altimeter to the exact field elevation
      2. Remove the screw above the know.
      3. Separate the gears with a pair of tweezers of small screwdriver
      4. Pull out the adjustment knob and set the barometric pressure to the 
      current pressure
      5. Slide the gear back into position and re-install the screw.
      
      Hope this helps.
      
      Bill
      
      
      billmileski wrote:
      >
      > Rick, 
      > Could you describe what "pulling back a collar" is.. I tried to adjust my altimeter
      with the screw removed, but couldn't figure out how to get the knob to
      move only the altitude indication (or Kollsman pressure, not sure which is the
      one that is disconnected when the screw is out).
      >
      >
      > Bill
      > 701 912S 120-ish hours
      > Ledyard, CT
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177423#177423
      >
      >
      >   
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Zenith-List:Bending Brake | 
      
      Graeme
      
      I have bent nearly all my materials with the brake to Dave's design 
      including .040" longerons and .063" parts for the firewall ; all came 
      out fine and well within tolerances.
      
      My brake has a heavy duty stainless steel piano hinge - a good strong 
      hinge is I think the most important component.
      
      When bending 19x19 angles I put a piece of scrap .016" between the 
      hinged part of the brake and the part to be bent, this prevents the part 
      being pushed through the brake.
      
      It works for me.
      
      Malcolm Hunt
      
      CH601XL plans builder in England.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Graeme 
        To: zenith-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:22 AM
        Subject: Re: Zenith-List:Bending Brake
      
      
            Has any one who has a Dave Clay designed bender used it to bend 
      CH701 longerons.
        They are .040thou and approx 1830mm long.
        If so was it successful with a good bend or problems??
      
        Thanks in advance 
        Graemecns
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -----
      
          16/04/2008 5:34 PM
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: tuning the altimeter | 
      
      
      Thanks, Bill, will give it a try!
      
      Bill
      
      do not archive
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177435#177435
      
      
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| Subject:  | 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks | 
      
      
      Has anyone added a separate nose skin section over the LE tanks to make future
      access easier, either as part of the original build or after the fact?  I'm looking
      for some photos and/or ideas about the best way to do this.
      
      This seems like the best way to salvage my bad rivet line on rib S8 mentioned in
      my previous note, and it will add some ease of service in general.  I actually
      considered this earlier but figured I could always add it later if the tank
      needed to be pulled out.   I guess its later!
      
      Mitch Hodges
      
      --------
      N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
      Wings Under Construction
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177447#177447
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks | 
      
      
      Walla!  Just like Piper Cherokee tanks.  Someone posted that idea a few 
      months back and if I ever get a leak in my tanks ,  My plan is to do just 
      that mod...
      
      Steve
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Mitch Hodges" <n601mh@HODGES.INFO>
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:59 AM
      Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing 
      tanks
      
      
      >
      > Has anyone added a separate nose skin section over the LE tanks to make 
      > future access easier, either as part of the original build or after the 
      > fact?  I'm looking for some photos and/or ideas about the best way to do 
      > this.
      >
      > This seems like the best way to salvage my bad rivet line on rib S8 
      > mentioned in my previous note, and it will add some ease of service in 
      > general.  I actually considered this earlier but figured I could always 
      > add it later if the tank needed to be pulled out.   I guess its later!
      >
      > Mitch Hodges
      >
      > --------
      > N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
      > Wings Under Construction
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177447#177447
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks | 
      
      
      A wholly removable fuel tank like this is one idea:
      
      http://www.ch601.org/resources/removable_fuel_tanks.htm
      
      -- Craig
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Hodges
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:59 AM
      Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing
      tanks
      
      
      Has anyone added a separate nose skin section over the LE tanks to make
      future access easier, either as part of the original build or after the
      fact?  I'm looking for some photos and/or ideas about the best way to do
      this.
      
      This seems like the best way to salvage my bad rivet line on rib S8
      mentioned in my previous note, and it will add some ease of service in
      general.  I actually considered this earlier but figured I could always add
      it later if the tank needed to be pulled out.   I guess its later!
      
      Mitch Hodges
      
      --------
      N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
      Wings Under Construction
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177447#177447
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks | 
      
      
      
      craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
      > A wholly removable fuel tank like this is one idea:
      > 
      > http://www.ch601.org/resources/removable_fuel_tanks.htm
      > 
      > 
      > --
      
      
      Very nice!  Not sure I could mod the factory tank to do this though.  Also, I'd
      be interested to see how this is attached.  Doesn't look like enough attach points
      to me.
      
      Whatever I do, I'm going to do twice so the wings "match".  Sadly the other wing
      is all wrapped and ready though.
      
      I've got a note into Zenith about suggestions, and I'll post what I get.  Also
      will do an archive search.
      
      --------
      Mitch Hodges
      N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
      Wings Under Perpetual Construction
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177463#177463
      
      
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| Subject:  | Stripping little-teeny wires | 
      
      
      OK, I give up.  I've tried about everything I can
      think of to strip very small gauge wires, like the
      ones that come off of a Ray Allen Switch.  I struggled
      with the wires on my elevator trim a few years ago and
      was never really happy with the results.  Now I'm
      starting to wire my panel and figure there must be a
      better way.  What am I missing?
      Rich Vetterli
      601XL/Corvair
      90% done, 90% to go.
      Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a   
      
      
      Be a better friend, newshound, and 
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| Subject:  | Stripping little-teeny wires | 
      
      
      Take a look at the Ideal StripMaster http://www.bandc.biz/.  These are
      available at many electrical supply stores, B&C is just one supplier.
      Jeff
      
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
      Vetterli
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:33 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: Stripping little-teeny wires
      
      
      OK, I give up.  I've tried about everything I can
      think of to strip very small gauge wires, like the
      ones that come off of a Ray Allen Switch.  I struggled
      with the wires on my elevator trim a few years ago and
      was never really happy with the results.  Now I'm
      starting to wire my panel and figure there must be a
      better way.  What am I missing?
      Rich Vetterli
      601XL/Corvair
      90% done, 90% to go.
      Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a   
      
      
      Be a better friend, newshound, and 
      know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.
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| Subject:  | Re: Stripping little-teeny wires | 
      
      
      Hi, Rich.
      
      You can go to Radio Shack and get one of their spring-loaded wire strippers, the
      kind that clamps the wire first and then strips the insulation away.
      
      The stock interchangeable blades go down to 22 gauge, if I recall correctly.  I
      think I paid around $20 or so back in 2006.
      
      I remember it took two passes with the Ray Allen wires...
      
      Rick Lindstrom
      N42KP
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
      >Sent: Apr 17, 2008 1:33 PM
      >To: Matronics Zenith <zenith-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: Zenith-List: Stripping little-teeny wires
      >
      >
      >OK, I give up.  I've tried about everything I can
      >think of to strip very small gauge wires, like the
      >ones that come off of a Ray Allen Switch.  I struggled
      >with the wires on my elevator trim a few years ago and
      >was never really happy with the results.  Now I'm
      >starting to wire my panel and figure there must be a
      >better way.  What am I missing?
      >Rich Vetterli
      >601XL/Corvair
      >90% done, 90% to go.
      >Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a   
      >
      >
      >Be a better friend, newshound, and 
      >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.  http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Stripping little-teeny wires | 
      
      
      I could not find an inexpensive 26 ga stripper so I use a "Conduct Tite" 22 ga
      stripper once, then again rotated 90 degrees just to score the insulation, then
      strip it with a GB SE-94 auto wire stripper.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing | 
      tanks
      
      I think this would be a better tank than we  have  now. I would like to see Zenith
      add it or put it up as an option. Even a third party option would be nice.
      
      Bob 
      601 XL QB 75% 90 to go
      jab 3300a
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Mitch Hodges <n601mh@hodges.info>
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:15:37 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks
      
      
      
      craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
      > A wholly removable fuel tank like this is one idea:
      > 
      > http://www.ch601.org/resources/removable_fuel_tanks.htm
      > 
      > 
      > --
      
      
      Very nice!  Not sure I could mod the factory tank to do this though.  Also, I'd
      be interested to see how this is attached.  Doesn't look like enough attach points
      to me.
      
      Whatever I do, I'm going to do twice so the wings "match".  Sadly the other wing
      is all wrapped and ready though.
      
      I've got a note into Zenith about suggestions, and I'll post what I get.  Also
      will do an archive search.
      
      --------
      Mitch Hodges
      N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
      Wings Under Perpetual Construction
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177463#177463
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601 xl wing-spar-skin -rivet strength | 
      
      Thanks to all of you for your ideas and posts concerning the pitch 20 
      instead if pitch 40 rivet line on the spar.  To those who are concerned 
      that pitch 20 may weaken the .040 bent "L"spar cap, if it does, then the 
      rudder and stabilizer should fall off and the longeron splice should 
      separate.  (look at the prints).  To those who think that Nick and Chris 
      walk on water, Do a comparison with 701 and 601 landing gear along with 
      landing gear from Grove for both, (3/4" X 3-1/4" for a hard landing  sky 
      jeep @  1100# with tundra tires and 3/4" X 7-3/4" for a1320#  601  with 
      5" wheels) Plug that into your engineering computer, also take a look at 
      the 701 demonstrator upper channel for the nose gear and notice an extra 
      angle on the demonstrator that is not on the prints of the 701.  also 
      look at the extra bracing in the fusalage area on the demonstrator not 
      on the print.  They don't share everything. 
      
      Why do we add things that make airplanes more rigid???? go figure.  I've 
      talked to CH and NH on several occasions as to Modifications and always 
      gotton that vague answer, "probably be alright, however we're not 
      reccomending it.  By the way did those of you see the VG's on the 
      elevator on the demonstrator 701??? What kind of a crackpot would put 
      those on??? Roger said the really made a difference. (I wonder if they 
      are on the print?) They were on the demonstrator in December the last 
      time I was at the factory.  BY THE WAY!!!!  I AM NOT AN ENGINEER.   Just 
      an old maintenance man in the manufacturing area that spent a lifetime 
      fixing engineers indiscretioins among other things and Knowing full well 
      that if the skins come off of the wings, you better pray quick or have a 
      chute or both.
      
        PS, I fly a 701 with a Cam125 engine REGISTERED AT 1320#  It is way 
      over weight , It also has  30' wing span,  I asked CH about this and he 
      said it would probably be alright.  The 701 is highly modified.  I think 
      it is an " EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT".   Maybe its something like the CH 750.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: LSA was for manufacturers and nobody else | 
      
      
      Hi Brett,
      
      I agree with much of your comment on Sport Pilot and LSA.  However, I 
      think you don't give enough credit to the whole concept.  It is true 
      the new rules promote lower cost entry for new pilots and new 
      manufacturing of factory planes in the Light Sport category.  It is 
      not true that there are no FBOs with LSA for rent and they are 
      increasing rapidly.
      
      In my area (loosely defined) there are now two Light Sport airplanes 
      for rent.  There is an Ikarus an hour away and a Tecnam Bravo an hour 
      and a half away.  I don't consider those distances convenient to 
      drive, but there weren't any a year ago.  Perhaps there will be new 
      ones even closer in the next year.
      
      It takes a long time for FBOs to change to new airplanes.  They 
      generally don't buy the planes and put them on the flight line.  It 
      is other people who buy them and then get tired of owning them and 
      paying all the freight while the plane sits in the hangar.  They 
      discover the "Lease Back" arrangement with FBOs allows them to 
      recover much of their expenses without going through the hassle of 
      selling the plane.  Since the LSA are so new there aren't many planes 
      that have fallen to that level yet.
      
      For my whole flying lifetime the FAA has been interested in promoting 
      recreational flying.  Alas, the first attempt done back in the '70s 
      was the ultralight movement.  You didn't need a license for the plane 
      or the pilot and you could fly to your heart's content.  That is 
      different from the Private to Commercial to ATP route designed with 
      professional pilots and commercial flying in mind.  The down side of 
      the ultralight movement was the limits on the planes were so 
      restrictive they were not very safe and totally useless for anything 
      but local joy rides.
      
      The Europeans came up with their own version of ultralights that bear 
      a strong resemblance to our new LSA.  They have two seats and are 
      actually reasonably useful for non-commercial cross country 
      travel.  Our new LSA are even better with higher weight and speed 
      restrictions.  The Zodiac XL is one of the first models designed to 
      press the limits of this new type of plane.  It goes faster than a 
      C-172 (the most successful/popular plane ever built) and can operate 
      from even shorter runways.  While the weight limit means designs must 
      be more modern and efficient there is no restriction on fuel or 
      range.  It may not be the same as flying in your little Lear jet, but 
      you can actually do some very significant cross country travel in 
      this kind of plane.
      
      Yes, flying is expensive.  This is true of Light Sport airplanes just 
      like it is for certified part 23 planes, but the LSA start at under 
      half the price of a part 23 plane.  Eventually this will mean renters 
      as well as plane owners can do recreational flying (as opposed to 
      commercial flying) at a significant discount.
      
      LSA also include several new designs which are not practical 
      airplanes but still present opportunities for recreational 
      flight.  PPCs and Trikes offer many folks the opportunity to 
      fly  with mostly local joy ride limits but for significantly less 
      money than even the lowly Champ or Cub cost.
      
      I suppose it is a bit scary to consider the privileges a real Sport 
      Pilot gets with such a small amount of training and demonstrated 
      skill.  I hope many of the folks who start with this route will move 
      on to higher skill levels if they find flying is something they want 
      to do for a long time.  The new requirement for one hour of 
      instrument training is a good start.  Perhaps the jump to a full 
      Private certificate is too big for many of them to take, but all the 
      time training and exercising their Sport Pilot privileges counts 
      toward higher licences too.
      
      I am hopeful the new rules will re-energize the general aviation 
      community and get us flying around in modern and fun aircraft.  It is 
      good for us and our communities to have aircraft and pilots 
      around.  The old rules have been failing to keep the numbers up so 
      new ones really are good for us all.
      
      We need to show a bit of patience to see how well it all works.  I am hopeful.
      
      Paul
      XL fuselage
      do not archive
      
      
      At 07:02 AM 4/16/2008, you wrote:
      >The rule was pawned off on the EAA membership as allowing people to 
      >get licensed inexpensively and to allow aging pilots to continue to 
      >fly without a medical.
      >
      >In reality it was to allow LSA to be built and sold as completed aircraft
      
      
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      Hi:
      
      Does any one has the information on the cause of the
      accident, of the zenith, in POlk city Florida...?
      
      Most accidents are pilot error, we know  that,  but
      for a wing to separate completly, ......if that is
      what happened...
      
      Robert
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks | 
      
      
      For those of you the retrofitted the tanks (there were a few according to the archives)
      did any of you splice the nose skin, or did everyone pull it completely
      loose to retrofit?
      
      Caleb at Zenith suggested the split, but I haven't been able to get him to give
      me any suggestions yet as to an "approved" way to do it.  Probably will have
      to end up getting him on the phone.
      
      I'm thinking you cut the nose skin to on each rib to cover the entire flange, then
      overlay the the new "Tank skin" in the same manner.  You would then need to
      rivet through all three skins at the nose ribs (regular nose skin, new "tank
      skin" and rib flange) probably with A5's.
      
      --------
      Mitch Hodges
      N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
      Wings Under Perpetual Construction
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177533#177533
      
      
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      Guys and Gals:
      
      I know a few of you speak Spanish fluently - can you email me off-line at cookwithgas@hotmail.com?
      I have been contacted by a guy in Spain who has a few questions
      and although I pretend to speak a little Spanish (and I truly wish I could),
      I fail miserably with Spanish emails because I can't spell in Spanish. 
      I want to help this guy and put him on to someone who can communicate properly.
       
      
      Gracias,
      
      Sr. Scott Laughlin
      de Omaha
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177539#177539
      
      
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      Failing finding a human Google sometimes does a tolerable job:
      
      www.google.com/language_tools
      
      -- Craig
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cookwithgas
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:36 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: Habla anyone?
      
      
      Guys and Gals:
      
      I know a few of you speak Spanish fluently - can you email me off-line at
      cookwithgas@hotmail.com?  I have been contacted by a guy in Spain who has a
      few questions and although I pretend to speak a little Spanish (and I truly
      wish I could), I fail miserably with Spanish emails because I can't spell in
      Spanish.  I want to help this guy and put him on to someone who can
      communicate properly.   
      
      Gracias,
      
      Sr. Scott Laughlin
      de Omaha
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177539#177539
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601 xl wing-spar-skin -rivet strength | 
      
      I think you just solidified your credibility in this post.  I sure hope you
      let your passenger know you fly the plane over the design weight.
      
      
      On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Jerry Shepard <jshep00@centurytel.net>
      wrote:
      
      >  Thanks to all of you for your ideas and posts concerning the pitch 20
      > instead if pitch 40 rivet line on the spar.  To those who are concerned that
      > pitch 20 may weaken the .040 bent "L"spar cap, if it does, then the rudder
      > and stabilizer should fall off and the longeron splice should separate.
      > (look at the prints).  To those who think that Nick and Chris walk on water,
      > Do a comparison with 701 and 601 landing gear along with landing gear from
      > Grove for both, (3/4" X 3-1/4" for a hard landing  sky jeep @  1100# with
      > tundra tires and 3/4" X 7-3/4" for a1320#  601  with 5" wheels) Plug that
      > into your engineering computer, also take a look at the 701 demonstrator
      > upper channel for the nose gear and notice an extra angle on the
      > demonstrator that is not on the prints of the 701.  also look at the extra
      > bracing in the fusalage area on the demonstrator not on the print.  They
      > don't share everything.
      >
      > Why do we add things that make airplanes more rigid???? go figure.  I've
      > talked to CH and NH on several occasions as to Modifications and always
      > gotton that vague answer, "probably be alright, however we're not
      > reccomending it.  By the way did those of you see the VG's on the elevator
      > on the demonstrator 701??? What kind of a crackpot would put those on???
      > Roger said the really made a difference. (I wonder if they are on the
      > print?) They were on the demonstrator in December the last time I was at the
      > factory.  BY THE WAY!!!!  I AM NOT AN ENGINEER.   Just an old maintenance
      > man in the manufacturing area that spent a lifetime fixing engineers
      > indiscretioins among other things and Knowing full well that if the skins
      > come off of the wings, you better pray quick or have a chute or both.
      >
      >   PS, I fly a 701 with a Cam125 engine REGISTERED AT 1320#  It is way over
      > weight , It also has  30' wing span,  I asked CH about this and he said it
      > would probably be alright.  The 701 is highly modified.  I think it is an "
      > EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT".   Maybe its something like the CH 750.
      >
      > *
      >
      > *
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Habla anyone? | 
      
      
      I believe Bill Clapp speaks Spanish and Airplane.
      www.billclapp.com
      
      Raymond Julian
      Kettle River, MN
      
      "Hope for the best,
      but prepare for the worst."
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:35 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: Habla anyone?
      
      
      >
      > Guys and Gals:
      >
      > I know a few of you speak Spanish fluently - can you email me off-line at 
      > cookwithgas@hotmail.com?  I have been contacted by a guy in Spain who has 
      > a few questions and although I pretend to speak a little Spanish (and I 
      > truly wish I could), I fail miserably with Spanish emails because I can't 
      > spell in Spanish.  I want to help this guy and put him on to someone who 
      > can communicate properly.
      >
      > Gracias,
      >
      > Sr. Scott Laughlin
      > de Omaha
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177539#177539
      >
      >
      > -- 
      > Checked by AVG.
      > 6:10 PM
      >
      > 
      
      
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      And Corvair!
      
      -- Craig
      
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of raymondj
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:57 PM
      Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Habla anyone?
      
      
      I believe Bill Clapp speaks Spanish and Airplane.
      www.billclapp.com
      
      Raymond Julian
      Kettle River, MN
      
      "Hope for the best,
      but prepare for the worst."
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:35 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: Habla anyone?
      
      
      >
      > Guys and Gals:
      >
      > I know a few of you speak Spanish fluently - can you email me off-line at 
      > cookwithgas@hotmail.com?  I have been contacted by a guy in Spain who has 
      > a few questions and although I pretend to speak a little Spanish (and I 
      > truly wish I could), I fail miserably with Spanish emails because I can't 
      > spell in Spanish.  I want to help this guy and put him on to someone who 
      > can communicate properly.
      >
      > Gracias,
      >
      > Sr. Scott Laughlin
      > de Omaha
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177539#177539
      >
      >
      > -- 
      > Checked by AVG.
      > 6:10 PM
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks | 
      
      Hey Mitch,
         
        I see your post is for the HDS, but FYI I did the 3-piece skin route on my XL
      wings. I've got lots of pics posted at my kitlog site (link below.)
         
        There's also some guidance offered on page 40 of the Construction Standards Manual
      that you can download from the Zenith. You've got the basic idea though.
      The skins overlap at the nose ribs (observing proper edge distance), and you
      use A5 rivets instead of A4's. Although it seemed like three times the work, it
      was nice to be able to put the leading edges on in managable pieces. The added
      benefit is that if I develop a fuel leak or other tank problem, that section
      of skin can be removed without major disassembly of the wing.
         
        Hope this helps. I know this mod has been approved for the XL - not sure about
      the HDS, but it sounds like you've already been in touch with the folks at Zenith.
         
        Debo Cox
        Nags Head, NC
        www.mykitlog.com/debo
         
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