---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/17/08: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:45 AM - Re: tuning the altimeter (rroberts) 2. 02:51 AM - Re: 701 bellcrank (rroberts) 3. 04:16 AM - Re: Bending Brake (Debo Cox) 4. 08:06 AM - Re: tuning the altimeter (billmileski) 5. 08:21 AM - Proposed Changes in LSA rules (Gig Giacona) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: tuning the altimeter (Bill Steer) 7. 09:19 AM - Re: Bending Brake (Malcolm Hunt) 8. 09:27 AM - Re: tuning the altimeter (billmileski) 9. 11:06 AM - 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Mitch Hodges) 10. 11:20 AM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (steve) 11. 11:21 AM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Craig Payne) 12. 12:21 PM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Mitch Hodges) 13. 01:36 PM - Stripping little-teeny wires (Richard Vetterli) 14. 02:11 PM - Re: Stripping little-teeny wires (Jeff) 15. 02:16 PM - Re: Stripping little-teeny wires (Rick Lindstrom) 16. 02:20 PM - Re: Stripping little-teeny wires (Sabrina) 17. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Bob Sturgis) 18. 04:59 PM - Re: 601 xl wing-spar-skin -rivet strength (Jerry Shepard) 19. 05:38 PM - Re: LSA was for manufacturers and nobody else (Paul Mulwitz) 20. 06:04 PM - recent accident (bert murillo) 21. 06:16 PM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Mitch Hodges) 22. 06:39 PM - Habla anyone? (cookwithgas) 23. 07:28 PM - Re: Habla anyone? (Craig Payne) 24. 07:38 PM - Re: 601 xl wing-spar-skin -rivet strength (Cndmovn) 25. 08:00 PM - Re: Habla anyone? (raymondj) 26. 08:11 PM - Re: Habla anyone? (Craig Payne) 27. 08:13 PM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Debo Cox) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:07 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: tuning the altimeter From: "rroberts" My Falcon altimeter was off as well but it has a fine tune adjustment just above the knob. Remove that screw and basically pull back a collar then tweek to ensure the pressure window and FE are correct. viola.... -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177364#177364 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 bellcrank From: "rroberts" yep, me too. small board across the elevator to ensure it was neutral then used some shims and bungees to hold the stick neutral as measured off the seat front and floor as well...I called the stick neutral when I positioned it 90 degrees to the floor. (as I recall) its been a while.. -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177365#177365 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:27 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List:Bending Brake I just bent the longerons on my "Dave's Brake" for my XL, and they're .040 and even longer - 1980mm or so if remember correctly. They came out fine. You can see pics of them at my Kitlog site if you're interested (link below.) There are a couple of special considerations I think. Email me off-list and I'll let you know what worked for me. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC Making fuselage parts www.mykitlog.com/debo doughnut archive also - do not archive Graeme wrote: Has any one who has a Dave Clay designed bender used it to bend CH701 longerons. They are .040thou and approx 1830mm long. If so was it successful with a good bend or problems?? Thanks in advance Graemecns ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: tuning the altimeter From: "billmileski" Rick, Could you describe what "pulling back a collar" is.. I tried to adjust my altimeter with the screw removed, but couldn't figure out how to get the knob to move only the altitude indication (or Kollsman pressure, not sure which is the one that is disconnected when the screw is out). Bill 701 912S 120-ish hours Ledyard, CT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177423#177423 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Proposed Changes in LSA rules From: "Gig Giacona" If anyone is interested the proposed rule changes have been posted to the federal docket. Here's a link. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/08-1127.pdf -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177425#177425 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:06 AM PST US From: Bill Steer Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: tuning the altimeter If you have a Falcon altimeter, you can get detailed instructions, including diagrams, from their web site - www.falcongauge.com. If the adjustment is to be done in the plane, the basic steps are: 1. Set the altimeter to the exact field elevation 2. Remove the screw above the know. 3. Separate the gears with a pair of tweezers of small screwdriver 4. Pull out the adjustment knob and set the barometric pressure to the current pressure 5. Slide the gear back into position and re-install the screw. Hope this helps. Bill billmileski wrote: > > Rick, > Could you describe what "pulling back a collar" is.. I tried to adjust my altimeter with the screw removed, but couldn't figure out how to get the knob to move only the altitude indication (or Kollsman pressure, not sure which is the one that is disconnected when the screw is out). > > > Bill > 701 912S 120-ish hours > Ledyard, CT > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177423#177423 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:37 AM PST US From: "Malcolm Hunt" Subject: Re: Zenith-List:Bending Brake Graeme I have bent nearly all my materials with the brake to Dave's design including .040" longerons and .063" parts for the firewall ; all came out fine and well within tolerances. My brake has a heavy duty stainless steel piano hinge - a good strong hinge is I think the most important component. When bending 19x19 angles I put a piece of scrap .016" between the hinged part of the brake and the part to be bent, this prevents the part being pushed through the brake. It works for me. Malcolm Hunt CH601XL plans builder in England. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List:Bending Brake Has any one who has a Dave Clay designed bender used it to bend CH701 longerons. They are .040thou and approx 1830mm long. If so was it successful with a good bend or problems?? Thanks in advance Graemecns ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 16/04/2008 5:34 PM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:44 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: tuning the altimeter From: "billmileski" Thanks, Bill, will give it a try! Bill do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177435#177435 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:02 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks From: "Mitch Hodges" Has anyone added a separate nose skin section over the LE tanks to make future access easier, either as part of the original build or after the fact? I'm looking for some photos and/or ideas about the best way to do this. This seems like the best way to salvage my bad rivet line on rib S8 mentioned in my previous note, and it will add some ease of service in general. I actually considered this earlier but figured I could always add it later if the tank needed to be pulled out. I guess its later! Mitch Hodges -------- N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177447#177447 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:06 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks Walla! Just like Piper Cherokee tanks. Someone posted that idea a few months back and if I ever get a leak in my tanks , My plan is to do just that mod... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Hodges" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks > > Has anyone added a separate nose skin section over the LE tanks to make > future access easier, either as part of the original build or after the > fact? I'm looking for some photos and/or ideas about the best way to do > this. > > This seems like the best way to salvage my bad rivet line on rib S8 > mentioned in my previous note, and it will add some ease of service in > general. I actually considered this earlier but figured I could always > add it later if the tank needed to be pulled out. I guess its later! > > Mitch Hodges > > -------- > N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) > Wings Under Construction > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177447#177447 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:46 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks A wholly removable fuel tank like this is one idea: http://www.ch601.org/resources/removable_fuel_tanks.htm -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Hodges Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks Has anyone added a separate nose skin section over the LE tanks to make future access easier, either as part of the original build or after the fact? I'm looking for some photos and/or ideas about the best way to do this. This seems like the best way to salvage my bad rivet line on rib S8 mentioned in my previous note, and it will add some ease of service in general. I actually considered this earlier but figured I could always add it later if the tank needed to be pulled out. I guess its later! Mitch Hodges -------- N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177447#177447 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks From: "Mitch Hodges" craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote: > A wholly removable fuel tank like this is one idea: > > http://www.ch601.org/resources/removable_fuel_tanks.htm > > > -- Very nice! Not sure I could mod the factory tank to do this though. Also, I'd be interested to see how this is attached. Doesn't look like enough attach points to me. Whatever I do, I'm going to do twice so the wings "match". Sadly the other wing is all wrapped and ready though. I've got a note into Zenith about suggestions, and I'll post what I get. Also will do an archive search. -------- Mitch Hodges N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Perpetual Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177463#177463 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:59 PM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Stripping little-teeny wires OK, I give up. I've tried about everything I can think of to strip very small gauge wires, like the ones that come off of a Ray Allen Switch. I struggled with the wires on my elevator trim a few years ago and was never really happy with the results. Now I'm starting to wire my panel and figure there must be a better way. What am I missing? Rich Vetterli 601XL/Corvair 90% done, 90% to go. Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:03 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Stripping little-teeny wires Take a look at the Ideal StripMaster http://www.bandc.biz/. These are available at many electrical supply stores, B&C is just one supplier. Jeff Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Vetterli Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Stripping little-teeny wires OK, I give up. I've tried about everything I can think of to strip very small gauge wires, like the ones that come off of a Ray Allen Switch. I struggled with the wires on my elevator trim a few years ago and was never really happy with the results. Now I'm starting to wire my panel and figure there must be a better way. What am I missing? Rich Vetterli 601XL/Corvair 90% done, 90% to go. Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:59 PM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stripping little-teeny wires Hi, Rich. You can go to Radio Shack and get one of their spring-loaded wire strippers, the kind that clamps the wire first and then strips the insulation away. The stock interchangeable blades go down to 22 gauge, if I recall correctly. I think I paid around $20 or so back in 2006. I remember it took two passes with the Ray Allen wires... Rick Lindstrom N42KP -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Vetterli >Sent: Apr 17, 2008 1:33 PM >To: Matronics Zenith >Subject: Zenith-List: Stripping little-teeny wires > > >OK, I give up. I've tried about everything I can >think of to strip very small gauge wires, like the >ones that come off of a Ray Allen Switch. I struggled >with the wires on my elevator trim a few years ago and >was never really happy with the results. Now I'm >starting to wire my panel and figure there must be a >better way. What am I missing? >Rich Vetterli >601XL/Corvair >90% done, 90% to go. >Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a > > >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:29 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Stripping little-teeny wires From: "Sabrina" I could not find an inexpensive 26 ga stripper so I use a "Conduct Tite" 22 ga stripper once, then again rotated 90 degrees just to score the insulation, then strip it with a GB SE-94 auto wire stripper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177488#177488 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:21 PM PST US From: Bob Sturgis Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks I think this would be a better tank than we have now. I would like to see Zenith add it or put it up as an option. Even a third party option would be nice. Bob 601 XL QB 75% 90 to go jab 3300a ----- Original Message ---- From: Mitch Hodges Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:15:37 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote: > A wholly removable fuel tank like this is one idea: > > http://www.ch601.org/resources/removable_fuel_tanks.htm > > > -- Very nice! Not sure I could mod the factory tank to do this though. Also, I'd be interested to see how this is attached. Doesn't look like enough attach points to me. Whatever I do, I'm going to do twice so the wings "match". Sadly the other wing is all wrapped and ready though. I've got a note into Zenith about suggestions, and I'll post what I get. Also will do an archive search. -------- Mitch Hodges N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Perpetual Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177463#177463 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:12 PM PST US From: "Jerry Shepard" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 xl wing-spar-skin -rivet strength Thanks to all of you for your ideas and posts concerning the pitch 20 instead if pitch 40 rivet line on the spar. To those who are concerned that pitch 20 may weaken the .040 bent "L"spar cap, if it does, then the rudder and stabilizer should fall off and the longeron splice should separate. (look at the prints). To those who think that Nick and Chris walk on water, Do a comparison with 701 and 601 landing gear along with landing gear from Grove for both, (3/4" X 3-1/4" for a hard landing sky jeep @ 1100# with tundra tires and 3/4" X 7-3/4" for a1320# 601 with 5" wheels) Plug that into your engineering computer, also take a look at the 701 demonstrator upper channel for the nose gear and notice an extra angle on the demonstrator that is not on the prints of the 701. also look at the extra bracing in the fusalage area on the demonstrator not on the print. They don't share everything. Why do we add things that make airplanes more rigid???? go figure. I've talked to CH and NH on several occasions as to Modifications and always gotton that vague answer, "probably be alright, however we're not reccomending it. By the way did those of you see the VG's on the elevator on the demonstrator 701??? What kind of a crackpot would put those on??? Roger said the really made a difference. (I wonder if they are on the print?) They were on the demonstrator in December the last time I was at the factory. BY THE WAY!!!! I AM NOT AN ENGINEER. Just an old maintenance man in the manufacturing area that spent a lifetime fixing engineers indiscretioins among other things and Knowing full well that if the skins come off of the wings, you better pray quick or have a chute or both. PS, I fly a 701 with a Cam125 engine REGISTERED AT 1320# It is way over weight , It also has 30' wing span, I asked CH about this and he said it would probably be alright. The 701 is highly modified. I think it is an " EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT". Maybe its something like the CH 750. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:18 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LSA was for manufacturers and nobody else Hi Brett, I agree with much of your comment on Sport Pilot and LSA. However, I think you don't give enough credit to the whole concept. It is true the new rules promote lower cost entry for new pilots and new manufacturing of factory planes in the Light Sport category. It is not true that there are no FBOs with LSA for rent and they are increasing rapidly. In my area (loosely defined) there are now two Light Sport airplanes for rent. There is an Ikarus an hour away and a Tecnam Bravo an hour and a half away. I don't consider those distances convenient to drive, but there weren't any a year ago. Perhaps there will be new ones even closer in the next year. It takes a long time for FBOs to change to new airplanes. They generally don't buy the planes and put them on the flight line. It is other people who buy them and then get tired of owning them and paying all the freight while the plane sits in the hangar. They discover the "Lease Back" arrangement with FBOs allows them to recover much of their expenses without going through the hassle of selling the plane. Since the LSA are so new there aren't many planes that have fallen to that level yet. For my whole flying lifetime the FAA has been interested in promoting recreational flying. Alas, the first attempt done back in the '70s was the ultralight movement. You didn't need a license for the plane or the pilot and you could fly to your heart's content. That is different from the Private to Commercial to ATP route designed with professional pilots and commercial flying in mind. The down side of the ultralight movement was the limits on the planes were so restrictive they were not very safe and totally useless for anything but local joy rides. The Europeans came up with their own version of ultralights that bear a strong resemblance to our new LSA. They have two seats and are actually reasonably useful for non-commercial cross country travel. Our new LSA are even better with higher weight and speed restrictions. The Zodiac XL is one of the first models designed to press the limits of this new type of plane. It goes faster than a C-172 (the most successful/popular plane ever built) and can operate from even shorter runways. While the weight limit means designs must be more modern and efficient there is no restriction on fuel or range. It may not be the same as flying in your little Lear jet, but you can actually do some very significant cross country travel in this kind of plane. Yes, flying is expensive. This is true of Light Sport airplanes just like it is for certified part 23 planes, but the LSA start at under half the price of a part 23 plane. Eventually this will mean renters as well as plane owners can do recreational flying (as opposed to commercial flying) at a significant discount. LSA also include several new designs which are not practical airplanes but still present opportunities for recreational flight. PPCs and Trikes offer many folks the opportunity to fly with mostly local joy ride limits but for significantly less money than even the lowly Champ or Cub cost. I suppose it is a bit scary to consider the privileges a real Sport Pilot gets with such a small amount of training and demonstrated skill. I hope many of the folks who start with this route will move on to higher skill levels if they find flying is something they want to do for a long time. The new requirement for one hour of instrument training is a good start. Perhaps the jump to a full Private certificate is too big for many of them to take, but all the time training and exercising their Sport Pilot privileges counts toward higher licences too. I am hopeful the new rules will re-energize the general aviation community and get us flying around in modern and fun aircraft. It is good for us and our communities to have aircraft and pilots around. The old rules have been failing to keep the numbers up so new ones really are good for us all. We need to show a bit of patience to see how well it all works. I am hopeful. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 07:02 AM 4/16/2008, you wrote: >The rule was pawned off on the EAA membership as allowing people to >get licensed inexpensively and to allow aging pilots to continue to >fly without a medical. > >In reality it was to allow LSA to be built and sold as completed aircraft ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:52 PM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: Zenith-List: recent accident Hi: Does any one has the information on the cause of the accident, of the zenith, in POlk city Florida...? Most accidents are pilot error, we know that, but for a wing to separate completly, ......if that is what happened... Robert do not archive Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:23 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks From: "Mitch Hodges" For those of you the retrofitted the tanks (there were a few according to the archives) did any of you splice the nose skin, or did everyone pull it completely loose to retrofit? Caleb at Zenith suggested the split, but I haven't been able to get him to give me any suggestions yet as to an "approved" way to do it. Probably will have to end up getting him on the phone. I'm thinking you cut the nose skin to on each rib to cover the entire flange, then overlay the the new "Tank skin" in the same manner. You would then need to rivet through all three skins at the nose ribs (regular nose skin, new "tank skin" and rib flange) probably with A5's. -------- Mitch Hodges N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Perpetual Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177533#177533 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Habla anyone? From: "cookwithgas" Guys and Gals: I know a few of you speak Spanish fluently - can you email me off-line at cookwithgas@hotmail.com? I have been contacted by a guy in Spain who has a few questions and although I pretend to speak a little Spanish (and I truly wish I could), I fail miserably with Spanish emails because I can't spell in Spanish. I want to help this guy and put him on to someone who can communicate properly. Gracias, Sr. Scott Laughlin de Omaha Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177539#177539 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:44 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Habla anyone? Failing finding a human Google sometimes does a tolerable job: www.google.com/language_tools -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cookwithgas Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Habla anyone? Guys and Gals: I know a few of you speak Spanish fluently - can you email me off-line at cookwithgas@hotmail.com? I have been contacted by a guy in Spain who has a few questions and although I pretend to speak a little Spanish (and I truly wish I could), I fail miserably with Spanish emails because I can't spell in Spanish. I want to help this guy and put him on to someone who can communicate properly. Gracias, Sr. Scott Laughlin de Omaha Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177539#177539 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:44 PM PST US From: Cndmovn Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 xl wing-spar-skin -rivet strength I think you just solidified your credibility in this post. I sure hope you let your passenger know you fly the plane over the design weight. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Jerry Shepard wrote: > Thanks to all of you for your ideas and posts concerning the pitch 20 > instead if pitch 40 rivet line on the spar. To those who are concerned that > pitch 20 may weaken the .040 bent "L"spar cap, if it does, then the rudder > and stabilizer should fall off and the longeron splice should separate. > (look at the prints). To those who think that Nick and Chris walk on water, > Do a comparison with 701 and 601 landing gear along with landing gear from > Grove for both, (3/4" X 3-1/4" for a hard landing sky jeep @ 1100# with > tundra tires and 3/4" X 7-3/4" for a1320# 601 with 5" wheels) Plug that > into your engineering computer, also take a look at the 701 demonstrator > upper channel for the nose gear and notice an extra angle on the > demonstrator that is not on the prints of the 701. also look at the extra > bracing in the fusalage area on the demonstrator not on the print. They > don't share everything. > > Why do we add things that make airplanes more rigid???? go figure. I've > talked to CH and NH on several occasions as to Modifications and always > gotton that vague answer, "probably be alright, however we're not > reccomending it. By the way did those of you see the VG's on the elevator > on the demonstrator 701??? What kind of a crackpot would put those on??? > Roger said the really made a difference. (I wonder if they are on the > print?) They were on the demonstrator in December the last time I was at the > factory. BY THE WAY!!!! I AM NOT AN ENGINEER. Just an old maintenance > man in the manufacturing area that spent a lifetime fixing engineers > indiscretioins among other things and Knowing full well that if the skins > come off of the wings, you better pray quick or have a chute or both. > > PS, I fly a 701 with a Cam125 engine REGISTERED AT 1320# It is way over > weight , It also has 30' wing span, I asked CH about this and he said it > would probably be alright. The 701 is highly modified. I think it is an " > EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT". Maybe its something like the CH 750. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:08 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Habla anyone? I believe Bill Clapp speaks Spanish and Airplane. www.billclapp.com Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." ----- Original Message ----- From: "cookwithgas" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Habla anyone? > > Guys and Gals: > > I know a few of you speak Spanish fluently - can you email me off-line at > cookwithgas@hotmail.com? I have been contacted by a guy in Spain who has > a few questions and although I pretend to speak a little Spanish (and I > truly wish I could), I fail miserably with Spanish emails because I can't > spell in Spanish. I want to help this guy and put him on to someone who > can communicate properly. > > Gracias, > > Sr. Scott Laughlin > de Omaha > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177539#177539 > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 6:10 PM > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:23 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Habla anyone? And Corvair! -- Craig Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of raymondj Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Habla anyone? I believe Bill Clapp speaks Spanish and Airplane. www.billclapp.com Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." ----- Original Message ----- From: "cookwithgas" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Habla anyone? > > Guys and Gals: > > I know a few of you speak Spanish fluently - can you email me off-line at > cookwithgas@hotmail.com? I have been contacted by a guy in Spain who has > a few questions and although I pretend to speak a little Spanish (and I > truly wish I could), I fail miserably with Spanish emails because I can't > spell in Spanish. I want to help this guy and put him on to someone who > can communicate properly. > > Gracias, > > Sr. Scott Laughlin > de Omaha > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177539#177539 > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 6:10 PM > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:22 PM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks Hey Mitch, I see your post is for the HDS, but FYI I did the 3-piece skin route on my XL wings. I've got lots of pics posted at my kitlog site (link below.) There's also some guidance offered on page 40 of the Construction Standards Manual that you can download from the Zenith. You've got the basic idea though. The skins overlap at the nose ribs (observing proper edge distance), and you use A5 rivets instead of A4's. Although it seemed like three times the work, it was nice to be able to put the leading edges on in managable pieces. The added benefit is that if I develop a fuel leak or other tank problem, that section of skin can be removed without major disassembly of the wing. Hope this helps. I know this mod has been approved for the XL - not sure about the HDS, but it sounds like you've already been in touch with the folks at Zenith. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC www.mykitlog.com/debo do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.