---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/18/08: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:18 AM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Peter Barthold) 2. 04:30 AM - Re: Habla anyone? (kmccune) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: recent accident (Gig Giacona) 4. 06:20 AM - 701 overweight flying (Jerry Shepard) 5. 06:35 AM - Re: recent accident (Martin Pohl) 6. 06:43 AM - Habla text,anyone? (Zed Smith) 7. 06:47 AM - Re: recent accident (Gig Giacona) 8. 06:48 AM - Re: Overweight 701 (Zed Smith) 9. 06:49 AM - Re: 701 overweight flying (Jerry Shepard) 10. 07:17 AM - FOR SALE: 1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD (Darryl West (Home)) 11. 07:22 AM - Re: recent accident (swater6) 12. 08:26 AM - C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Lincoln Probst) 13. 08:39 AM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (John Davis) 14. 08:56 AM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (PatrickW) 15. 09:00 AM - Re: recent accident (PatrickW) 16. 09:10 AM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Gig Giacona) 17. 09:12 AM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Beckman, Rick) 18. 09:15 AM - Re: recent accident (Gig Giacona) 19. 09:16 AM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Gig Giacona) 20. 09:57 AM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Rick Lindstrom) 21. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: recent accident (Craig Payne) 22. 10:17 AM - 701gear.jpg (Jerry Hey) 23. 10:38 AM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Jeff) 24. 11:22 AM - Re: recent accident (Gig Giacona) 25. 11:48 AM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Larry Winger) 26. 12:10 PM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (LarryMcFarland) 27. 12:32 PM - Darryl West's 1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD (Peter Chapman) 28. 12:46 PM - Re: FOR SALE: 1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD (ihab.awad@gmail.com) 29. 01:16 PM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Larry Hursh) 30. 01:45 PM - Beter Brakes on Stol 701 on Czech 1200A 4 wheel floats. (Avidmagnum) 31. 02:21 PM - 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions (PatrickW) 32. 02:22 PM - E-LSB (Bicycle) (Roy Szarafinski) 33. 02:32 PM - Re: 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions (Tim Juhl) 34. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions (Craig Payne) 35. 02:55 PM - Re: 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions (Aerolitellc@aol.com) 36. 03:05 PM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (n801bh@netzero.com) 37. 06:21 PM - Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks (Ron Lendon) 38. 06:50 PM - Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks From: "Peter Barthold" Hi Bob and all, the tanks on the CH601.org pictures are most likely products from a company called AERO SERVICE Poland http://www.aero-service.com/contact_us.html These tanks are made for HD wings only. I asked them for a quote and they said they would also be able to do custom made stuff. prices seem quite similar in Euro to what ZAC asks in US$ Greetings from Germany Peter HDS TD Tail complete, Wings in progress www.petersprojekt42.de Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177580#177580 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:54 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Habla anyone? From: "kmccune" Try the link below, it does translations automatically. It is not 100% but it its good enough to allow me to post on the Brazilian STOL site. Just past what you have written or what he has written and select the appropriate to and from languages. An now you hable espaol :) http://babelfish.altavista.com/ Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177584#177584 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident From: "Gig Giacona" No Robert no information yet and remember the FAA/NTSB is slow. robertrv607(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Hi: > > Does any one has the information on the cause of the > accident, of the zenith, in POlk city Florida...? > > Most accidents are pilot error, we know that, but > for a wing to separate completly, ......if that is > what happened... > > Robert > > do not archive > > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177598#177598 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:00 AM PST US From: "Jerry Shepard" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 overweight flying I fly a 701 overweight and am registered at 1320# with a 30" wingspan. I've talked to Chris about this on more than one occasion. (The Spar was made stronger at initial construction) , His answer is a good one answer and is as follows: You can do that but you need to de-rate the "G" factor accordingly-- IE if you fly 20% overweight, then the "G" factor would be reduced by 20% +6 would become +4.8 and -3 would become -2.4. Of course this is the Ultimate rating and safe flying would be 2/3 of these ratings or +3.6 instead of +4 and -1.8 instead of -2. Check out the Sonex "G" ratings at gross. In other words don't do anything dumb at the overweight condition. I have not yet taken up a passenger, More testing to do. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:35 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident From: "Martin Pohl" Does anybody know why the accident does not show up preliminary in the NTSB database? I know (e.g. in Germany) that accidents with ultralight aircraft sometimes are not covered by the official accident investigation office. Martin -------- Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177601#177601 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:51 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Habla text,anyone? do not archive List, A non-aviation-related post. Delete before reading. AT&T Labs has a demo site where you can type in text, choose a "voice" for readback, and hear the result of your efforts. Called "text-to-speech" in some circles, this is the process used by the U.S. National Weather Service for automated weather on their NOAA Weather Radio broadcasts. One of their transmitter techs told me they refer to the "voice" as "Igor".....he has some difficulty with proper pronounciation of various placenames (cities, towns, etc). Therefore they trick the conversion process by typing the text version "phoenetically" for the benefit of Igor. http://public.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php You can also download/save the voice file, rename it, etc, put it on your cellphone ringer. Has other languages, but don't know if it will read English and then speak French, etc. Fun to send gag greetings to your email friends. You have to "experiment" with numerals....it will pronounce the telephone number 555-1212 as "five hundred fifty-five hyphen one-thousand two-hundred twelve"......definitely NOT what you may have intended. Works better with spaces between numerals, in this case. An example of bad reading by Igor is the placename of Mexia, Texas. Igor says "MEX-e-ah".....the correct useage is "Maa-hay-ah".....phonics. Not sure if you can sent the voice-file as an attachment to this List. Wonder if Igor can say "Green ScotchBrite Pads"??? Regards, Zed ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:12 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident From: "Gig Giacona" It usually takes a while before it makes it to the NTSB database. It does already show in the FAA database here. http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminary_data/media/B_0408_Y.txt -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177608#177608 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:24 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Overweight 701 do not archive I'd sure like to know how much of the runway at Edwards is required for takeoff with a 30 INCH wingspan. Regards, Zed ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:39 AM PST US From: "Jerry Shepard" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 overweight flying AH the joys of composing online: Correction: Thats +3.2"Gs" , not 3.6. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Shepard To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:16 AM Subject: 701 overweight flying I fly a 701 overweight and am registered at 1320# with a 30" wingspan. I've talked to Chris about this on more than one occasion. (The Spar was made stronger at initial construction) , His answer is a good one answer and is as follows: You can do that but you need to de-rate the "G" factor accordingly-- IE if you fly 20% overweight, then the "G" factor would be reduced by 20% +6 would become +4.8 and -3 would become -2.4. Of course this is the Ultimate rating and safe flying would be 2/3 of these ratings or +3.6 instead of +4 and -1.8 instead of -2. Check out the Sonex "G" ratings at gross. In other words don't do anything dumb at the overweight condition. I have not yet taken up a passenger, More testing to do. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:00 AM PST US From: "Darryl West (Home)" Subject: Zenith-List: FOR SALE: 1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD Hi Guys, I guess I am moving on to other life interests now (like paying off the house mortgage - doh!), so I have decided to sell my pride and joy: Photo attached. FOR SALE: 1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD Amateur-Built Registration C-FVTZ Tri-gear, Rotax 912, 600 lbs empty, 1200 lbs gross 340 hours TTSN Basic VFR, COM, INT Garmin GPS 90 (2) DC Headsets Original Owner / Builder, all logbooks Well built (from kit) and maintained, fun to fly Located near Calgary, Alberta, Canada Price: CDN $34,000.00 OBO Darryl West (403) 283-3771 rdwest@shaw.ca Checked by AVG. AM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident From: "swater6" I do wish they would post the preliminary report so we might learn something new. The report for the Lancair crash on Sunday is up. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080417X00505&key=1 Some interesting details that weren't reported in the press. This plane won an award at SnF too. -------- 601 XL kit N596SW reserved Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage www.scottwaters.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177617#177617 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:39 AM PST US From: Lincoln Probst Subject: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL Had the 1st flight of my corvair powered 601XL flying yesterday. I hover on the list a lot, but don't generally say much... but wanted to let everyone know that a new zenith was flying. pictures are at: http://1linc.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114&Itemid=1 Lincoln Probst ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:32 AM PST US From: John Davis Subject: Re: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL Congrats Lincoln on your first flight. John Davis 601XL - Jab 3300 Hoping to get my first flight in soon..... Lincoln Probst wrote: > > Had the 1st flight of my corvair powered 601XL flying yesterday. > > I hover on the list a lot, but don't generally say much... but wanted to let everyone know that a new zenith was flying. > > pictures are at: http://1linc.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114&Itemid=1 > > Lincoln Probst > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:08 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL From: "PatrickW" Outstanding! You inspire the rest of us who follow. As a fellow builder, I'm very interested in hearing about the impressions of the first flight... Pat XL/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177645#177645 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:06 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident From: "PatrickW" Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track for Zenith planes? http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html - Pat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177646#177646 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL From: "Gig Giacona" Congrats on the first flight. Any idea what is causing the power loss yet? Please keep us advised. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177647#177647 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL From: "Beckman, Rick" Had the 1st flight of my corvair powered 601XL flying yesterday. Congratulations!!!!! r ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident From: "Gig Giacona" Not that I've ever heard of but looking at the source HTML of the page it doesn't seem automated in any way so it would be a lot of work. PatrickW wrote: > Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track for Zenith planes? > > http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html > > - Pat -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177651#177651 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL From: "Gig Giacona" One other quick question Lincoln. What is that strapped to the nose gear? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177652#177652 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:33 AM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL Congratulations, Linc! Way to go, welcome to the flying Zenvair club! Fuel system venting OK? The only I ask is that inadequate tank venting bites a large proportion of builders during first flights. Rick Lindstrom N42KP -----Original Message----- >From: Lincoln Probst >Sent: Apr 18, 2008 8:22 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL > > >Had the 1st flight of my corvair powered 601XL flying yesterday. > >I hover on the list a lot, but don't generally say much... but wanted to let everyone know that a new zenith was flying. > >pictures are at: http://1linc.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114&Itemid=1 > >Lincoln Probst > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:11 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident The link on the home page (www.rvproject.com) says "NTSB Accident Data for RVs (automatically updated nightly". -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident Not that I've ever heard of but looking at the source HTML of the page it doesn't seem automated in any way so it would be a lot of work. PatrickW wrote: > Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track for Zenith planes? > > http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html > > - Pat -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177651#177651 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:37 AM PST US From: Jerry Hey Subject: Zenith-List: 701gear.jpg I have some 701 landing gear components for sale including the main gear spring and a complete nose wheel assembly. These items are in excellent condition. Not included are main wheels and brakes and master cylinders. Also bungee is not included. I believe the new value from Zenith would be $984.00 You can save a LOT by contacting me directly at jerry@jerryhey.com 260-799-4507 701gear.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:57 AM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL Congratulations Lincoln! Please let us know how the test flying goes. Jeff Davidson Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lincoln Probst Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL Had the 1st flight of my corvair powered 601XL flying yesterday. I hover on the list a lot, but don't generally say much... but wanted to let everyone know that a new zenith was flying. pictures are at: http://1linc.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114&Itemid 1 Lincoln Probst ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent accident From: "Gig Giacona" Sure does, doesn't it. I never looked at the home page link. The entire page must be generated nightly because there is no significant links to outside sites on the page. Maybe someone who would like to host such a page for Zenith aircraft could contact the webmaster and borrow the guts of the generator. craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote: > The link on the home page (www.rvproject.com) says "NTSB Accident Data for > RVs (automatically updated nightly". > > -- Craig > > -- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177690#177690 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:25 AM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL Lincoln, Way to go! Congratulations on a major accomplishment with a huge payoff. Fly safe. Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL/Corvair Joining fuselage halves On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Lincoln Probst wrote: > > Had the 1st flight of my corvair powered 601XL flying yesterday. > > I hover on the list a lot, but don't generally say much... but wanted to > let everyone know that a new zenith was flying. > > pictures are at: > http://1linc.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114&Itemid=1 > > Lincoln Probst > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:24 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL Congratulations Lincoln, Nice looking aircraft. Well done! Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Lincoln Probst wrote: > > Had the 1st flight of my corvair powered 601XL flying yesterday. > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:38 PM PST US From: Peter Chapman Subject: Zenith-List: Darryl West's 1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD At 10:12 18-04-08, you wrote: >I guess I am moving on to other life interests now (like paying off >the house mortgage - doh!), so I have decided to sell my pride and joy: >Photo attached. > >FOR SALE: >1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD For the record, Darryl first posted on this list in June 1996, one of the earliest subscribers, as the list had only been started in May 1996. Back when there weren't all sorts of builders' websites out there, he had written a document on his building experiences. There were only a couple other documents available from builders at the time (Klaus T. and George Pinneo come to mind). Darryl's building experiences were the first I'd seen, so it was an important download when I was starting to help my dad build his 601. So Darryl, thanks, and I hope you've had some fun along the way!. Peter Chapman Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:26 PM PST US From: ihab.awad@gmail.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FOR SALE: 1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD Hi Darryl, On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Darryl West (Home) wrote: > 1995 Zenair Zodiac CH-601-HD Is this ELSA compliant? Ihab -- Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:52 PM PST US From: Larry Hursh Subject: Re: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL Congratulations Lincoln on a job well done! How long did it take you to make your dream come true?? It's a very NICE looking aircraft I might add! Best Regards Larry Hursh CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning) (N601LL Reserved) SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com Keep your eyes skyward - always! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Beter Brakes on Stol 701 on Czech 1200A 4 wheel floats. From: "Avidmagnum" The ice has melted here in Wisconsin. So the "Odd Duck" is flying again. This winter I modified my brake linkage a lot like the photos shown on this link. http://www.ch601.org/resources/brake_mod/brake_mod.htm The results are incredible! Before I stayed away from airports unless I really needed to land at one. Did not need the brakes on the water! With free castering nose wheels a pilot needs good brakes to steer. The original linkage with the Matco cylinders was adequate at best on wheel gear.......poor- with the amphibious floats. Now I can steer and stop with confidence. Love the info I pick up on this site...Thanks Tom Schulke Stol 701SP No Slats ( Czech 1200 amphibs) 912uls warp drive prop 200+ hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177729#177729 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions From: "PatrickW" What has worked well for others when match-drilling the holes in the Center Spar through the Wing Attach Uprights? I want to avoid enlarging the center spar bolt holes, while still drilling the holes in the Wing Attach Uprights as accurately as I can. Has anyone added gussets at the top end of the Wing Attach Uprights similar to the gussets on the main landing gear uprights? It seems to me that gussets here would be a lot more solid than simply riveting the Wing Attach Uprights to the .025 fuselage skin. Thanks, Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177740#177740 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:55 PM PST US From: Roy Szarafinski Subject: Zenith-List: E-LSB (Bicycle) Ladies and Gents, Sun n Fun was great, made new friends and re-acquainted with old ones. Thank you Pat Panzera for displaying my cut away engine in your booth, and thank you William Wynne for introducing me during your forums. The real reason for this post is to thank Larry Macfarland of macsmachine.com for a fine bicycle design. Ron Lendon built Larrys design from plans and he and I drove to Sun n Fun together, with the bike in Ron's van. For those folks unfamiliar, Larry calls his design the "light sport recumbent". All I can say is that it is a blast to ride and it certainly turns heads. I knew nothing about recumbent bikes until last week. Apparently what makes Larry's design unique is that it has a short wheelbase and has front and rear suspension, there are probably a few other trick things that I failed to notice because I was having way to much fun. I had to re-train my thinker a bit but once I got going it was like riding........ a bike! I practiced figure eights in front of the campsite and when Ron signed me off I was solo and conquering terrain. I have to have me one of these someday, maybe sooner than later with the price of gas and having a bike trail nearby that leads near my work 15 miles away. Ron can testify to the satisfaction of building Larry's design and I can testify for the sheer enjoyment of riding the end result. Best wishes to all, Roy, CH701 plans, Corvair ect. roysgarage.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:01 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions From: "Tim Juhl" The photo guide shows two ways of marking the holes without enlarging those in the center spar attachment. Paul Mulwitz used gussets in that area... perhaps he will chime it and share some photos. Tim Do not archive -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177742#177742 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:48 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions But it is in the photo guide for 6-B-14, not 6-B-13 where you would expect it. Basically use a 5/16th transfer punch or drill guide bushing through the spar to one upright at a time. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions The photo guide shows two ways of marking the holes without enlarging those in the center spar attachment. Paul Mulwitz used gussets in that area... perhaps he will chime it and share some photos. Tim Do not archive -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177742#177742 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:47 PM PST US From: Aerolitellc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL - Wing Attach Uprights - 2 Questions Patrick I took a bolt of the same size and ground a point on it to act as a punch and with the spar alignment tool in about a quarter of an inch for the first holes it worked better than any thing I have seen tried yet. After you make your marks then just take it to the drill press and drill them to size. As far as the gussets go I make sure they touch the upper longerons and don't worry much about them touching the bottom because they each get 2 bolts thru them. Jeff Picking up another kit Monday **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:46 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL A big congrats to you and a VERY nice looking plane.....Good Job !!!!!!! !!!! do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Lincoln Probst wrote: Had the 1st flight of my corvair powered 601XL flying yesterday. I hover on the list a lot, but don't generally say much... but wanted to let everyone know that a new zenith was flying. pictures are at: http://1linc.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&t ask=view&id=114&Itemid=1 Lincoln Probst ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:14 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HDS: Adding a cutout over the leading edge wing tanks From: "Ron Lendon" I haven't done that but the way you describe should work just fine. If you are real careful, and just take the heads off, you can most likely use A4's again. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177782#177782 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: C-GXLP first flight- corvair 601XL From: "Ron Lendon" Congratulations Lincoln, Now it is time I get back to building my plane. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177786#177786 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.