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1. 03:14 AM - Flap setting - equal angle for both flaps. (Paul Mulwitz)
2. 04:12 AM - Re: Registration questions E-LSA (kmccune)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Don't Give Up the CH601XL dREAM (ashontz)
4. 06:12 AM - Monday Evening Chat Room (George Race)
5. 06:16 AM - Re: Flap setting - equal angle for both flaps. (steve)
6. 06:58 AM - Sun-N-Fun (ZodieRocket)
7. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case closed. (William Dominguez)
8. 07:55 AM - Re: FUEL SYSTEM QUESTION (MacDonald Doug)
9. 10:06 AM - Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. (ALAN BEYER)
10. 10:09 AM - Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (lgingell)
11. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (steve)
12. 11:48 AM - rear wing spars (Lee Steensland)
13. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Flap Stop (Jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 11:52 AM - Drill guides for reamers (John Reinking)
15. 12:16 PM - Re: Drill guides for reamers (DICK WILBERS)
16. 12:21 PM - Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (Tim Juhl)
17. 12:30 PM - Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. (john H)
18. 12:50 PM - Re: rear wing spars (Juan Vega)
19. 12:53 PM - Re: Registration questions E-LSA (Juan Vega)
20. 01:08 PM - Re: rear wing spars (Debo Cox)
21. 01:10 PM - Re: canopy latch cable ()
22. 01:12 PM - Re: Registration questions E-LSA (Dennis Shoup)
23. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (steve)
24. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (Terry Phillips)
25. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (steve)
26. 02:15 PM - Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (ashontz)
27. 02:53 PM - Re: Registration questions E-LSA (Juan Vega)
28. 03:09 PM - Re: AS5 Part Number? (Stainless Steel A5 Rivets) (PatrickW)
29. 03:34 PM - Re: Drill guides for reamers (browntool@aol.com)
30. 03:34 PM - Re: Registration questions E-LSA (george may)
31. 03:39 PM - Re: Registration questions E-LSA (steve)
32. 04:29 PM - Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. (Paul Mulwitz)
33. 04:32 PM - Re: Flying Music (Paul Mulwitz)
34. 04:34 PM - Re: rear wing spars (leinad)
35. 04:44 PM - Re: Registration questions E-LSA (dstasch)
36. 04:57 PM - Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (leinad)
37. 05:03 PM - Re: Flying Music (Larry Hursh)
38. 05:12 PM - Re: extended wing tips (JG)
39. 05:20 PM - Re: extended wing tips (JG)
40. 05:36 PM - Re: Flying Music (Bob Sturgis)
41. 05:41 PM - Re: canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS CABLE (Lawrence Webber)
42. 05:50 PM - Re: Flying Music (Dan)
43. 05:51 PM - Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (Tim Juhl)
44. 05:55 PM - Re: canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS CABLE (Juan Vega)
45. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft (Juan Vega)
46. 05:59 PM - Re: extended wing tips (kmccune)
47. 06:07 PM - New Letter from Chris (Tim Juhl)
48. 06:08 PM - Re: canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS CABLE (Bryan Martin)
49. 06:16 PM - Re: Flying Music (Southern Reflections)
50. 06:18 PM - Re: Prop for 601 XL (Tim Juhl)
51. 06:21 PM - XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (Tim Juhl)
52. 06:21 PM - XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (Tim Juhl)
53. 06:41 PM - Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (PatrickW)
54. 07:18 PM - Re: Flying Music (Graeme)
55. 07:45 PM - Re: New Letter from Chris (Andrewlieser)
56. 07:47 PM - Re: canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS CABLE (Juan Vega)
57. 07:56 PM - Re: Drill guides for reamers (Ron Lendon)
58. 08:03 PM - Ignition cables? (Grant Corriveau)
59. 08:10 PM - Re: rear wing spars (Ron Lendon)
60. 08:21 PM - Re: New Letter from Chris (Ron Lendon)
61. 08:21 PM - Re: rear wing spars (Christian Tremblay)
62. 08:33 PM - Re: New Letter from Chris (Andrewlieser)
63. 08:54 PM - Re: Prop for 601 XL (GLJSOJ1)
64. 08:55 PM - Re: extended wing tips (GLJSOJ1)
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| Subject: | Flap setting - equal angle for both flaps. |
Hi Steve,
I have not yet mounted my wings, but I have thought of the problem of
getting the flaps at the same level. The answer I found is to wait
to drill the torque tubes and control arm weldment until the flaps
and wings are mounted. Then when you drill the parts to fix the
relative setting for each flap you can tape or otherwise hold the
flaps in place so they come out the same.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 11:08 AM 4/27/2008, you wrote:
>I know this builder who has checked his flap settings and one flap
>is not quite the same as the other...it doesnt raise as high as the
>other.. Its off by about 2 degrees.....
>"If" I were to talk to him about adjusting them to have each exactly
>the same, what would I say ??
>
>Steve ( name withheld by REQUEST )
>
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| Subject: | Re: Registration questions E-LSA |
Pretty cool Dad 8)
This topic comes up quite a bit, how do we get the EAA to put up better info for
first time builder? They have some info, but it is almost as confusing as the
FAAs and not very complete. I read the EAAs info forwards and backwards but
could not decide what I was building and what I could and couldn't do in it. Finally
I emailed the EAA and asked here, took both to get it clear.
Kevin
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Don't Give Up the CH601XL dREAM |
Thanks for your inspiration.
When I logged in yesterday and read some mention of someone feeling the need to
hire a lawyer about some engineering analysis I immediately felt this inquiry
is going to far. If it has to involve a lawyer, I'm out and don't support an
inquiry. If it can be done without a lawyer or some report to the NTSB, then I'm
still interested. I don't want this thing getting out of hand, I'm only interested
in getting more information to make my own decisions, and I'm still on
the mindset that I will complete the XL, in fact, I just want to feel more comfortable
with more knowledge so I can enjoy moving forward. THE LAST THING I
WANT TO SEE IS SOME BLOODSCUKER LAWYER OR AGENCY GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS. IF
THAT'S THE CASE, I WITHDRAW MY SUPPORT OF AN INQUIRY.
Yes, more pictures of Yuba City would be greatly appreciated. Particularly of those
rear spar attachments, both at the spar and where they connect to the fuselage.
It appears as though it was a bolt missing from what I could see from the
last batch of photos. Either way, I feel really bad for your parents, but
it's particularly upsetting to see that it could have been prevented with more
careful maintenance.
PLAV8R wrote:
> From my post in another subject:
> Juan,
>
> Yes, lets get on with it. I am very sorry if someone took my postings as being
negative to Zenith or any of the fine members of this forum. I again say, don't
stop building, purchasing, or flying the Zodiac 601 XL. It is a dream aircraft
as you all know. I have the up-most respect for Chis Heinz and Zodiac. It
is obvious to me that these are men of integrity and are very committed to their
design, product, customers, and reputation. I would also feel that with the
information provided, builders may pay more attention to any changes or recommendations
based on the information that is available to them. Pilots should
practice due diligence prior to flight. Take a little extra time checking for
any "smoking" rivets in the undercarriage, inspecting the wing attachment fittings
( if possible), aileron hinges etc. It would take less time then this posting.
> I am also sure that they (Zenith), along with the NTSB, are doing a thorough
investigation of these incidents. They may have seen many of these posts. I do
have faith in the NTSB and anyone associated with this aircraft. I have been
waiting one and a half years to hear some kind of conclusion to this accident.
The NTSB could very well be taxed of limited resources for investigations.
> The NTSB could look at this forum and say "been there, seen that". However, with
what I have seen, there are many very conscientious members with an intimate
knowledge of the design and components and have come up with some very sound
theories based on a very limited amount of information (videos and a few pictures).
There are more eyes on this now. Someone may see something that others
have not seen (thinking outside the box).
> I would consider the "armchair quarterbacks" as someone that has not participated
in the game. The game is still in play. There is no definite outcome yet.
But these fine people may very well have participated and/or have aided in the
resolution to problem that plagued us all.
> Please don't stop building your dreams. This will all get figured out and we
can all feel at ease.
>
> I am still waiting to hear if I can get access to the "Yuba City" aircraft and
procure better pictures, etc.
> Regards, Don
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Monday Evening Chat Room |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around
8:00 PM Eastern Time.
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
George
CH-701 N73EX (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Flap setting - equal angle for both flaps. |
Right on Paul. I just brought this up because my holes were drilled
at the factory. QBK you know.....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:11 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Flap setting - equal angle for both flaps.
Hi Steve,
I have not yet mounted my wings, but I have thought of the problem of
getting the flaps at the same level. The answer I found is to wait to
drill the torque tubes and control arm weldment until the flaps and
wings are mounted. Then when you drill the parts to fix the relative
setting for each flap you can tape or otherwise hold the flaps in place
so they come out the same.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 11:08 AM 4/27/2008, you wrote:
I know this builder who has checked his flap settings and one flap
is not quite the same as the other...it doesnt raise as high as the
other.. Its off by about 2 degrees.....
"If" I were to talk to him about adjusting them to have each exactly
the same, what would I say ??
Steve ( name withheld by REQUEST )
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Hello Listers, I have been waiting for some pictures for the Sun-N-Fun
BBQ. Unfortunately, they have not been sent to me yet. If anyone has any
pictures of the event please send them to me at HYPERLINK
"mailto:cdngoose@hsfx.ca"cdngoose@hsfx.ca Thanks.
This years Sun-N-Fun BBQ was another fine success, but it was also quite
a challenge. I wish to THANK everyone who pitched in to help during the
event, with the volunteers present everyone was fed well and had a good
time talking to other builders.
As soon as I have a few pictures I will post a link to the event. Along
with a complete write up on the event.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK
"http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com
Checked by AVG.
4/24/2008 7:24 AM
Checked by AVG.
4/27/2008 9:39 AM
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| Subject: | Re: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case |
closed.
Thanks Alberto,
Yes, I received Alberto's email with the preliminary report regarding the accident
in Barcelona. I'm currently on vacation and I'm not checking my emails as
regularly as I tipically do but looking forward to do a thorough translation
during this week. In the meantime I can advance you that the report include the
accounts of 2 separate witnesses. One saw the plane comming down with a folded
wing, the other saw the moment when the wing folded up, breaking the canopy
(the investigators found pieces of plexiglass over a 300 meters radio).
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com> wrote:
no, it was flying ok, Then a witness saw the plane folding both wings,
another one heard a noise and when it looked up saw the plane like the other
witness..
Ive asked Gary and William to translate something in English. Please, wait
until I get that done. I will publish photos as soon as I get the photo
release.
Alberto Martin
Iberplanes IGL
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Espaa
----- Original Message -----
From: "ashontz"
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say
case closed.
>
> "Matched case" meaning what, that it appears as though there was no bolt
> in the rear spar?
>
>
> Iberplanes wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I have seen the pictures of the spanish incident, and a partial report.
>> Seems to be a match-case with this one. I also asked Gary and William to
>> translate some parts into English.
>>
>> Regarding the photos, still waiting authorization to publish on the site.
>> Sorry on this.
>>
>> talk to you soon,
>>
>> Alberto Martin
>> Iberplanes IGL
>> http://www.iberplanes.es
>> Igualada - Barcelona - EspaS
>> ---
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179544#179544
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL SYSTEM QUESTION |
How about an old style Wobble Pump like what was used
on aerobatic aircraft? It's a small hand pump that
would likely only need a couple of strokes every
thirty seconds or so to keep the float bowls full.
It's a non-electric alternative. This eliminates the
added complexity of an essential buss.
I think they are available for Aircraft Spruce but
don't have a specific link for them.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scatch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
(Also have AcrosportII plans)
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> george may wrote:
> > I'd insure one pump is feed directly from your
> battery(fused
> > appropriately), while the other can run off of
> your electrical
> > distribution buss. Typically loosing electrics
> implies loss of
> > alternator. The battery will usually last about
> 1/2 hour with
> > essentials. That should be enough to get you safey
> on the ground using
> > the pump directly feeding off the battery.
> >
> > George May
> > 601XL 912s
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. |
Hi John,
What do feel are the trade-offs of the HDS vs the HD?
Al
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----- Original Message ----
From: john H <professor71@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:25:16 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
I have been flying a 601HD for 3 years with 300hrs now. It is not smooth in turbulent
air. In fact I get bounced around pretty good in turbulent air. Probably
due to the fact that is is a high lift wing and a light airplane. Now the HDS
wing is probably smoother but it has its trade offs too. Overall, the 601HD
is a solid airplane and fun to fly...
John
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> I actually like the olders designs better, the 601 HD is my favorite. Those
> thick, thick wings skip through turbulant air with =======================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
My 6-S-3 from 12/03 has no nylon flap stops on it. Someone care to post a scan?
..lance
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
I didnt think mine did either til I looked again. It shows a 90 by 25 mm
1/8 nylon piece (2) that goes under the flange of the drag spar . I removed
the three rivets from point of rib 7 outwards....
Whalla! I have a stop....
----- Original Message -----
From: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft
>
> My 6-S-3 from 12/03 has no nylon flap stops on it. Someone care to post a
> scan?
>
> ..lance
>
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> http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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Looking ahead a little, I was wondering how scratch builders are bending
their rear wing spars? Most of the D-I-Y brakes I've seen are all 8'
and the spar is a full 12'.
Are people extending their brakes to bend a full 12' or are they farming
out those few bends.
--
Lee Steensland
601XL/Corvair (7637L reserved) Kit/Scratch builder 0.01% complete!
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Lance, Here 'tis. Jay in Dallas
"lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> wrote:
>
>My 6-S-3 from 12/03 has no nylon flap stops on it. Someone care to post a scan?
>
>..lance
>
>--------
>Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
>http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
>
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| Subject: | Drill guides for reamers |
Can any of you recommend a source for drill guides for use when reaming
a hole to such close tolerances? I'm thinking that without some kind
of guide that reaming a perfectly aligned hole would be next to impossible.
The Boeing Surplus Store over here at Kent, WA (just recently closed by
Boeing) used to have literally thousands of these guides available for
very modest cost. Unfortunately at that time I wasn't thinking about
guides for reamers.
Thank you, John Reinking
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| Subject: | Re: Drill guides for reamers |
John:
Google drill and reamer bushings. You will get zillions of repl;ies.
Actually, you need the bushing for the drill more than a reamer. Reamers
have multiple flutes with each flute having a 45 degree chamfer on it's
corners and will pretty well self center. Reamers will follow the drilled
hole so the location, axial and radial runout will tell the reamer where to
go. There is a tool made by Dixie Carbide that is (or was) called a
bore/reamer. this tool follows the spindle accuracy and bushing accuracy
rather than the drilled holke accuracy.
Good luck....................................................Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Reinking" <reinkings@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Drill guides for reamers
>
> Can any of you recommend a source for drill guides for use when reaming a
> hole to such close tolerances? I'm thinking that without some kind of
> guide that reaming a perfectly aligned hole would be next to impossible.
>
> The Boeing Surplus Store over here at Kent, WA (just recently closed by
> Boeing) used to have literally thousands of these guides available for
> very modest cost. Unfortunately at that time I wasn't thinking about
> guides for reamers.
>
> Thank you, John Reinking
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
Flap Stop comment - The nylon stop does a good job of preventing movement of the
retracted flap at the outboard end, while the inboard end is restrained by the
actuating pin which rests in a slot. I am considering installing a second
stop at the inboard end to make it even more solid.
Comments?
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. |
Hi Al
I would say the biggest trade off would be climb performance. The HD wing a
lso probably has a little more glide to it. One other thing would be horsep
ower. With the HD the 80hp 912 works really well but in the summer at highe
r density altitudes, performance with 80hp and HDS wings would be a little
anemic. I have not flown an HDS so these comments are coming from other HDS
fliers who I have talked to when I was considering changing my HD to an HD
S. Most agreed that the HDS is better with at least 100hp.
John
From: agbeyer@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Hi John,
What do feel are the trade-offs of the HDS vs the HD?
Al
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----- Original Message ----
From: john H <professor71@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:25:16 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
I have been flying a 601HD for 3 years with 300hrs now. It is not smooth in
turbulent air. In fact I get bounced around pretty good in turbulent air.
Probably due to the fact that is is a high lift wing and a light airplane.
Now the HDS wing is probably smoother but it has its trade offs too. Overal
l, the 601HD is a solid airplane and fun to fly...
John
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> I actually like the olders designs better, the 601 HD is my favorite. Tho
se
> thick, thick wings skip through turbulant air with =======
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rear wing spars |
there are instructions on how to connect two pieces to make one rear wing spar.
You can get them from Seb or Roger Heintz.
Juan
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>From: Lee Steensland <zenith-list@steensland.net>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2008 2:45 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: rear wing spars
>
>
>Looking ahead a little, I was wondering how scratch builders are bending
>their rear wing spars? Most of the D-I-Y brakes I've seen are all 8'
>and the spar is a full 12'.
>
>Are people extending their brakes to bend a full 12' or are they farming
>out those few bends.
>
>
>--
>Lee Steensland
>601XL/Corvair (7637L reserved) Kit/Scratch builder 0.01% complete!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Registration questions E-LSA |
If you are both Documented as the builder which you show proof with pictures and
the log book, Have the DAR register you both as builders of the plane, then
you can fly the 40 hours off together.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: dstasch <zstasch@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Apr 27, 2008 10:00 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm planning to build a 601xl with my son but I'm a little confused about a couple
of things that I'm hoping you all can help me to better understand.
>
>Ideally, we would build the plane together then I could use it to teach him how
to fly.
>
>If I understand correctly, to use an LSA as a trainer plane, it must be registered
as S-LSA. However, I believe for it to be S-LSA it must be factory built.
(or meet guidelines of the ASTM? can't remember the acronym) Am I correct on
this? It's not possible (or maybe practical)for us to build an S-LSA in our
garage?
>
>What about E-LSA. I seem to recall reading that an E-LSA can be used to train
the owner. If this is true, perhaps we could be co-owners or I could just put
it in his name from the beginning, but I don't think a zero hour 16 year old
in a homebuilt aircraft will sound very good to an insurance agent. Do any of
you have a similar situation with perhaps training your spouse or children to
fly in an LSA that you can share your experience with me?
>
>Thank you!
>
>Take care,
>Dave
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179732#179732
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rear wing spars |
Hey Lee,
I can't speak for everyone, but I made the rear spar splice that's been approved
by Chris Heintz. This allows you to bend the rear spar in two 6-foot sections.
In my mind, it's actually an improvement because it provides a doubler at
a place where you've cut a big hole in the rear spar for the aileron control
rod. You can the get hand-drawn version on Mark Townsend's 601 site:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/rear%20spar/601xl_rear_spar_splice.htm
or another builder, Randy Bryant drew it up a little more legibly at:
http://www.n344rb.com/plans/RearChannelSplice.pdf
You can visit my Kitlog site to see it built. There are more pics than this one
- this is just the first one I could find:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=debo&project=132&category=1384&log=32988&row=94
Hope this helps.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
www.mykitlog.com/debo
Making fuselage parts
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| Subject: | Re: canopy latch cable |
Try the nearest Ace Hardware store. They carry cables from 1/16th up t
o 1/4th, and you can cut off any length you need. They are not stainle
ss, but, not being exposed to the elements, they'll last probably long
er than you and I will.=0A=0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A ----- O
riginal Message ----- =0A From: Bryan Martin<mailto:bryanmmartin@c
omcast.net> =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@m
atronics.com> =0A Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 7:33 PM=0A Subj
ect: Re: Zenith-List: canopy latch cable=0A=0A=0A --> Zenith
-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net<mailto
:bryanmmartin@comcast.net>>=0A=0A The same type cable is used f
or brake and shift cables on bicycles. =0A Check your local bicyc
le shop to see if they have some you can cut to =0A length.=0A
@hughes.net<mailto:leinad@hughes.net>>=0A >=0A > I'm working o
n my canopy frame and I need to purchase the canopy =0A > latch c
able. Is this a throttle cable? If so, does someone either =0A
> have a part number or some specs. I've looked at some throttle
=0A > cables on Summit Racing catalog, but not sure what the best len
gth =0A > would be.=0A > Dan Dempsey=0A > Plans building
601XL.=0A >=0A=0A=0A -- =0A Bryan Martin=0A N61B
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| Subject: | Re: Registration questions E-LSA |
No passengers are permitted during the 40 hour test period, even if they are
registered as a builder. Solo only.
Dennis
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
> If you are both Documented as the builder which you show proof with
> pictures and the log book, Have the DAR register you both as builders of
> the plane, then you can fly the 40 hours off together.
>
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: dstasch <zstasch@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Apr 27, 2008 10:00 PM
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA
> >
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >I'm planning to build a 601xl with my son but I'm a little confused about
> a couple of things that I'm hoping you all can help me to better understand.
> >
> >Ideally, we would build the plane together then I could use it to teach
> him how to fly.
> >
> >If I understand correctly, to use an LSA as a trainer plane, it must be
> registered as S-LSA. However, I believe for it to be S-LSA it must be
> factory built. (or meet guidelines of the ASTM? can't remember the acronym)
> Am I correct on this? It's not possible (or maybe practical)for us to
> build an S-LSA in our garage?
> >
> >What about E-LSA. I seem to recall reading that an E-LSA can be used to
> train the owner. If this is true, perhaps we could be co-owners or I could
> just put it in his name from the beginning, but I don't think a zero hour 16
> year old in a homebuilt aircraft will sound very good to an insurance agent.
> Do any of you have a similar situation with perhaps training your spouse or
> children to fly in an LSA that you can share your experience with me?
> >
> >Thank you!
> >
> >Take care,
> >Dave
> >
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179732#179732
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
Sounds like an excellent idea Tim...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:17 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft
>
> Flap Stop comment - The nylon stop does a good job of preventing movement
> of the retracted flap at the outboard end, while the inboard end is
> restrained by the actuating pin which rests in a slot. I am considering
> installing a second stop at the inboard end to make it even more solid.
>
> Comments?
>
> Tim
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179879#179879
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
Steve
Along the same lines of general enlightenment, a while back you mentioned
"drag spar" in one of your posts. I assume from the context that the drag
spar is the rear spar. Is that correct? Thanks.
Terry
At 09:02 AM 4/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>OMG !
>
>I love this website !!!
>
>SW
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
Yes em.
Wings have "usually" two spars per side. The main spar and the drag
spar....
"Some" designs these days have a humongous main spars and dont have a drag
spar.
These terms are from the 1940s til ???...
Whatever they call them now is "what it is", my man...
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Phillips" <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft
>
> Steve
>
> Along the same lines of general enlightenment, a while back you mentioned
> "drag spar" in one of your posts. I assume from the context that the drag
> spar is the rear spar. Is that correct? Thanks.
>
> Terry
>
>
> At 09:02 AM 4/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>>OMG !
>>
>>I love this website !!!
>>
>>SW
>
>
> Terry Phillips
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
> are done; working on the wings
> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
This is probably one of the more informative threads I've read on here in awhile.
Thanks. Possible problems make more sense now. More than likely, the only problem
is bad maintenance or construction.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179905#179905
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| Subject: | Re: Registration questions E-LSA |
I disagree, if you have two builders, and they are documented as both builders
of the plane, you can both fly at the same time.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis Shoup <zenith601xl@gmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2008 4:08 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA
>
>No passengers are permitted during the 40 hour test period, even if they are
>registered as a builder. Solo only.
>
>Dennis
>
>On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> If you are both Documented as the builder which you show proof with
>> pictures and the log book, Have the DAR register you both as builders of
>> the plane, then you can fly the 40 hours off together.
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: dstasch <zstasch@yahoo.com>
>> >Sent: Apr 27, 2008 10:00 PM
>> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA
>> >
>> >
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >I'm planning to build a 601xl with my son but I'm a little confused about
>> a couple of things that I'm hoping you all can help me to better understand.
>> >
>> >Ideally, we would build the plane together then I could use it to teach
>> him how to fly.
>> >
>> >If I understand correctly, to use an LSA as a trainer plane, it must be
>> registered as S-LSA. However, I believe for it to be S-LSA it must be
>> factory built. (or meet guidelines of the ASTM? can't remember the acronym)
>> Am I correct on this? It's not possible (or maybe practical)for us to
>> build an S-LSA in our garage?
>> >
>> >What about E-LSA. I seem to recall reading that an E-LSA can be used to
>> train the owner. If this is true, perhaps we could be co-owners or I could
>> just put it in his name from the beginning, but I don't think a zero hour 16
>> year old in a homebuilt aircraft will sound very good to an insurance agent.
>> Do any of you have a similar situation with perhaps training your spouse or
>> children to fly in an LSA that you can share your experience with me?
>> >
>> >Thank you!
>> >
>> >Take care,
>> >Dave
>> >
>> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179732#179732
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: AS5 Part Number? (Stainless Steel A5 Rivets) |
Issue 163, page 9 of the Zenith Newsletter makes reference to Stainless Avinox
II rivets on a CH801.
Here is a link: http://rapidrivet.thomasnet.com/viewitems/blind-rivets-textron-rivets/avinox-ii-fastening-system?&plpver=10&forward=1
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179917#179917
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| Subject: | Re: Drill guides for reamers |
John,
I am not exactly sure of your application, but we stock and sell a wide variety
of drill guides, drill bushings, and bushing holders designed to aid in keeping
drilled holes straight.? You can see some of our bushing tools at the following
link:
http://browntool.com/category.asp?ParentCode=K23&HeaderURL=&FooterURL=&CategoryTitle=MISC%2E+TOOLS+%234+%28Bushings%2C+Carbide+Burrs%2C+Boelube%2C+Hole+Saws+%26More%29
and also:
http://browntool.com/category.asp?ParentCode=K368&HeaderURL=&FooterURL=&CategoryTitle=SPECIALS+%26+MORE+NEW+PRODUCTS
Also, our new catalog is out and free for the asking, simply visit our website at www.browntool.com and click on the "mailing list signup" link at the bottom of the page and we will get a copy out to you immediately free of charge.
Feel free to contact me directly with any questions at michael@browntool.com
Best regards,
Michael Brown
Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co.
2536 S.E. 15th Street
Oklahoma City, OK 73129
405-688-6888
800-587-3883
-----Original Message-----
From: John Reinking <reinkings@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 1:49 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Drill guides for reamers
?
Can any of you recommend a source for drill guides for use when reaming a hole
to such close tolerances? I'm thinking that without some kind of guide that reaming
a perfectly aligned hole would be next to impossible.?
?
The Boeing Surplus Store over here at Kent, WA (just recently closed by Boeing)
used to have literally thousands of these guides available for very modest cost.
Unfortunately at that time I wasn't thinking about guides for reamers.?
?
Thank you, John Reinking?
?
?
?
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| Subject: | Registration questions E-LSA |
The piloting of an experimental during the test phase is not based on who b
uilds the plane. The regs indicate that only required crew may fly during t
he 40 hours of test. If it is deemed that both builders are the required c
rew they might be able to fly together, however, I doubt it. To be able to
have both parties legally fly together as required crew it would need to b
e signed off by the local FSDO .
George May
601XL 912s> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:50:14 -0400> From: amyvega2005@earthl
ink.net> To: zenith-list@matronics.com; zenith-list@matronics.com> Subject:
Re: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA> > --> Zenith-List message p
osted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>> > I disagree, if you have
two builders, and they are documented as both builders of the plane, you ca
n both fly at the same time.> Juan> > -----Original Message-----> >From: De
nnis Shoup <zenith601xl@gmail.com>> >Sent: Apr 28, 2008 4:08 PM> >To: zenit
h-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-L
SA> >> >No passengers are permitted during the 40 hour test period, even if
they are> >registered as a builder. Solo only.> >> >Dennis> >> >On Mon, Ap
r 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>> >wrote:> >> >
>>> >> If you are both Documented as the builder which you show proof with
> >> pictures and the log book, Have the DAR register you both as builders
of> >> the plane, then you can fly the 40 hours off together.> >>> >> Juan>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> >From: dstasch <zstasch@yahoo.com>>
>> >Sent: Apr 27, 2008 10:00 PM> >> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com> >> >Sub
ject: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA> >> >> >> >--> Zenith-List
message posted by: "dstasch" <zstasch@yahoo.com>> >> >> >> >Hello,> >> >> >
> >I'm planning to build a 601xl with my son but I'm a little confused abou
t> >> a couple of things that I'm hoping you all can help me to better unde
rstand.> >> >> >> >Ideally, we would build the plane together then I could
use it to teach> >> him how to fly.> >> >> >> >If I understand correctly, t
o use an LSA as a trainer plane, it must be> >> registered as S-LSA. Howeve
r, I believe for it to be S-LSA it must be> >> factory built. (or meet guid
elines of the ASTM? can't remember the acronym)> >> Am I correct on this? I
t's not possible (or maybe practical)for us to> >> build an S-LSA in our ga
rage?> >> >> >> >What about E-LSA. I seem to recall reading that an E-LSA c
an be used to> >> train the owner. If this is true, perhaps we could be co-
owners or I could> >> just put it in his name from the beginning, but I don
't think a zero hour 16> >> year old in a homebuilt aircraft will sound ver
y good to an insurance agent.> >> Do any of you have a similar situation wi
th perhaps training your spouse or> >> children to fly in an LSA that you c
an share your experience with me?> >> >> >> >Thank you!> >> >> >> >Take car
e,> >> >Dave> >> >> >> >DO NOT ARCHIVE> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Read th
is topic online here:> >> >> >> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?
p=179732#179732> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
===========> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Registration questions E-LSA |
I disagree to disagree. SOLO Only...
Unless the "crew member" is essential for the flight.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA
>
> I disagree, if you have two builders, and they are documented as both
> builders of the plane, you can both fly at the same time.
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Dennis Shoup <zenith601xl@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Apr 28, 2008 4:08 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA
>>
>>No passengers are permitted during the 40 hour test period, even if they
>>are
>>registered as a builder. Solo only.
>>
>>Dennis
>>
>>On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you are both Documented as the builder which you show proof with
>>> pictures and the log book, Have the DAR register you both as builders
>>> of
>>> the plane, then you can fly the 40 hours off together.
>>>
>>> Juan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >From: dstasch <zstasch@yahoo.com>
>>> >Sent: Apr 27, 2008 10:00 PM
>>> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>> >Subject: Zenith-List: Registration questions E-LSA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Hello,
>>> >
>>> >I'm planning to build a 601xl with my son but I'm a little confused
>>> >about
>>> a couple of things that I'm hoping you all can help me to better
>>> understand.
>>> >
>>> >Ideally, we would build the plane together then I could use it to teach
>>> him how to fly.
>>> >
>>> >If I understand correctly, to use an LSA as a trainer plane, it must be
>>> registered as S-LSA. However, I believe for it to be S-LSA it must be
>>> factory built. (or meet guidelines of the ASTM? can't remember the
>>> acronym)
>>> Am I correct on this? It's not possible (or maybe practical)for us to
>>> build an S-LSA in our garage?
>>> >
>>> >What about E-LSA. I seem to recall reading that an E-LSA can be used
>>> >to
>>> train the owner. If this is true, perhaps we could be co-owners or I
>>> could
>>> just put it in his name from the beginning, but I don't think a zero
>>> hour 16
>>> year old in a homebuilt aircraft will sound very good to an insurance
>>> agent.
>>> Do any of you have a similar situation with perhaps training your
>>> spouse or
>>> children to fly in an LSA that you can share your experience with me?
>>> >
>>> >Thank you!
>>> >
>>> >Take care,
>>> >Dave
>>> >
>>> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Read this topic online here:
>>> >
>>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179732#179732
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. |
I learned many years ago that the quality that controls an airplane's
response to turbulent air is wing loading. The higher the wing
loading, the lower the response to turbulence. This would make the
HDS better in rough air than the HD. It also makes jet fighters much
better for flying in rough air than Piper Cubs.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 01:25 PM 4/27/2008, you wrote:
>I have been flying a 601HD for 3 years with 300hrs now. It is not
>smooth in turbulent air. In fact I get bounced around pretty good in
>turbulent air. Probably due to the fact that is is a high lift wing
>and a light airplane. Now the HDS wing is probably smoother but it
>has its trade offs too. Overall, the 601HD is a solid airplane and
>fun to fly...
>John
>Do not archive
>
> > I actually like the olders designs better, the 601 HD is my
> favorite. Those
> > thick, thick wings skip through turbulant air with
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
> Sitting here in Northern Minnesota, it's nearly May, and we're
> expecting 11-15 inches of SNOW by tomorrow morning (third weekend
> out of the last 4 with more than a foot of snow)
It's all because of Global Warming, don't you know? Out here in the
NW rain forest, we have had more snow this year than the last 10 put
together . . .
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: rear wing spars |
Lee,
A see a few others have posted the splice 2 pieces method. I can't say what's
best, but I made all my long bends, including the rear spar, the rear longerons
and others by bending the metal over a board. I've prepared a 3/4" piece of
oak that is 12 foot long with an edge that is cut back about 30 degrees, then
rounded to the desired radius. I clamp the metal between this board (on the
bottom) and another 2/4 on top to my work bench. I then bend the metal over,
at first by hand, then using a soft rubber mallet. I go a little bit at a time
until the bend is formed. There are pictures in the Wings section on my web
sight of the rear spars.
http:\daniel.dempseyfamily.us
By the way, this is basically the same edge treatment I used on all my forming
blocks. Anyway that's how I did it.
Dan
601XL plans builder. (fuselage complete)
> "zenith-list(at)steensland"]Looking ahead a little, I was wondering how scratch
builders are bending
> their rear wing spars? Most of the D-I-Y brakes I've seen are all 8'
> and the spar is a full 12'.
>
> Are people extending their brakes to bend a full 12' or are they farming
> out those few bends.
>
>
> --
> Lee Steensland
> 601XL/Corvair (7637L reserved) Kit/Scratch builder 0.01% complete!
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| Subject: | Re: Registration questions E-LSA |
Perhaps I could put in a single stick for the right seat, and the rudder/brake
pedals in the left seat? ;)
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
Tim,
It might work, but I think it could have the opposite effect. By having the stop
along way from the flap actuating lever, the flap is allowed to twist a little
in the up position so that it's solidly held. By putting a stop inboard,
there won't be any twist and you may have it held firm on the inboard side but
the flexibility of the flap will allow it to just rattle against the other stop.
If they could be adjusted so that the outboard one engaged first, allowed
the flap to twist or spring a little, then the inboard one touches it might work.
All this just to say, I don't think your idea is a simple slam dunk.
Dan
> ="Tim Juhl"]Flap Stop comment - The nylon stop does a good job of preventing
movement of the retracted flap at the outboard end, while the inboard end is restrained
by the actuating pin which rests in a slot. I am considering installing
a second stop at the inboard end to make it even more solid.
>
> Comments?
>
> Tim
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
Dear Paul,
I'm not sure if you are complaining or bragging. Which is it....lol?
Don't feel like your the only one there Lone Ranger. They are predicting sleet
for my area here and possibly turning to snow before morning. Lucky, aren't
we?? I live in the lower southwest of lower Michigan - near South Bend Indiana.
The fruit trees are starting to bloom and the farmers are getting worried
(their yearly worry of course). Remember, it is ONLY April yet. I've seen
it snow in June!
Regards,
Larry Hursh
CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning)
(N601LL Reserved)
SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com
Keep your eyes skyward - always!
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| Subject: | Re: extended wing tips |
Gday Bill,
I just dug out this old post cause I'm getting ready to try some such
experiments. Could you elaborate more of what effects you felt and if
you think there may possibilities there??
Also any more info you have on those 'fences' that Bob Jones did. I
understand there's a few such mods on various aircraft flying around in
Alaska.
I've already made slip-on square wingtips to see if those Hoerner tips
as done on the 701 really do the job they're claimed. At the same time
I'd like to try some different versions of fences and winglets. My
aircraft will be in the workshop for a month while I do some other mods
for carrying a bicycle, etc., so it's a good chance to make up some
different wingtips.
Hoping you are getting some good spring weather already.
Cheers,
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: Keystone Engineering LLC
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:09 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: extended wing tips
I installed a flat sheet of sheet metal to the flat portion of the
wing tip on my 801. It extends about 3" above the wing in front and
about 8" above the trailing edge. For now I just used 100 mile an hour
tape to install it. I installed one to see if I could detect any change
in flight characteristics. I was hoping for a yawing of the plane
indicating less drag. What I got was a rolling effect. Normally when I
fly the plane with just me in the left seat the left wing is heavy.
With the extended wing tip on the left side the plane flew straight.
What got me started thinking about modifying the wing tip was talking
with Bob Jones who installed "stall fences" on his 701. He said the
"Dutch roll" tendency was greatly reduced. He really like the way it
flew. I looked at the latest thoughts on wing tips and thought can I
improve the flight characteristics a couple of percent.
Has anyone else experimented with this?
Can anyone tell me if I have more lift will you go faster? or slower?
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
Valdez, AK
290 hrs
Spring has finally sprung!
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| Subject: | Re: extended wing tips |
Sorry everyone, that was meant to be a PM direct to Bill.
Do not archive.
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: JG
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: extended wing tips
Gday Bill,
I just dug out this old post cause I'm getting ready to try some such
experiments. Could you elaborate more of what effects you felt and if
you think there may possibilities there??
Also any more info you have on those 'fences' that Bob Jones did. I
understand there's a few such mods on various aircraft flying around in
Alaska.
I've already made slip-on square wingtips to see if those Hoerner tips
as done on the 701 really do the job they're claimed. At the same time
I'd like to try some different versions of fences and winglets. My
aircraft will be in the workshop for a month while I do some other mods
for carrying a bicycle, etc., so it's a good chance to make up some
different wingtips.
Hoping you are getting some good spring weather already.
Cheers,
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: Keystone Engineering LLC
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:09 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: extended wing tips
I installed a flat sheet of sheet metal to the flat portion of the
wing tip on my 801. It extends about 3" above the wing in front and
about 8" above the trailing edge. For now I just used 100 mile an hour
tape to install it. I installed one to see if I could detect any change
in flight characteristics. I was hoping for a yawing of the plane
indicating less drag. What I got was a rolling effect. Normally when I
fly the plane with just me in the left seat the left wing is heavy.
With the extended wing tip on the left side the plane flew straight.
What got me started thinking about modifying the wing tip was
talking with Bob Jones who installed "stall fences" on his 701. He said
the "Dutch roll" tendency was greatly reduced. He really like the way
it flew. I looked at the latest thoughts on wing tips and thought can I
improve the flight characteristics a couple of percent.
Has anyone else experimented with this?
Can anyone tell me if I have more lift will you go faster? or
slower?
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
Valdez, AK
290 hrs
Spring has finally sprung!
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
California, Southern, 100 Deg. Sunny, Beach time. Fly time. :):):)
----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:59:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
Dear Paul,
I'm not sure if you are complaining or bragging. Which is it....lol?
Don't feel like your the only one there Lone Ranger. They are predicting sleet
for my area here and possibly turning to snow before morning. Lucky, aren't
we?? I live in the lower southwest of lower Michigan - near South Bend Indiana.
The fruit trees are starting to bloom and the farmers are getting worried
(their yearly worry of course). Remember, it is ONLY April yet. I've seen it
snow in June!
Regards,
Larry Hursh
CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning)
(N601LL Reserved)
SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com
Keep your eyes skyward - always!
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| Subject: | canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS |
CABLE
Larry
From: paulrod36@msn.comTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-Lis
t: canopy latch cableDate: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:06:46 -0500
Try the nearest Ace Hardware store. They carry cables from 1/16th up to 1/4
th, and you can cut off any length you need. They are not stainless, but, n
ot being exposed to the elements, they'll last probably longer than you and
I will.
Paul Rodriguez
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy latch cable
he same type cable is used for brake and shift cables on bicycles. Check y
our local bicycle shop to see if they have some you can cut to length.>> -
g on my canopy frame and I need to purchase the canopy > latch cable. Is
this a throttle cable? If so, does someone either > have a part number or
some specs. I've looked at some throttle > cables on Summit Racing catal
og, but not sure what the best length > would be.> Dan Dempsey> Plans buil
ding 601XL.>-- Bryan MartinN61BM, CH 601 XL,RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.do
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
>
>> Sitting here in Northern Minnesota, it's nearly May, and we're
>> expecting 11-15 inches of SNOW by tomorrow morning (third weekend out
>> of the last 4 with more than a foot of snow)
>
>
Paul: I grew up in Park Rapids so I know about the long winters. It
was 90 degrees here yesterday (Central Valley of California).
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
Dan,
Now you know why I asked. Many minds do a better job of analyzing a problem than
one. I'll have to give it some thought and first see how securely it is held
after I actually get to installing it.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS |
CABLE
pleas use aviation grade cable, much better design than marine grade. aviation
grade is grease impreged, and more strands per cable.
Don't cut corners!
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Lawrence Webber <lawrencewebber@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2008 8:38 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS
CABLE
>
>
>Larry
>
>
>From: paulrod36@msn.comTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List:
canopy latch cableDate: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:06:46 -0500
>
>
>Try the nearest Ace Hardware store. They carry cables from 1/16th up to 1/4th,
and you can cut off any length you need. They are not stainless, but, not being
exposed to the elements, they'll last probably longer than you and I will.
>
>
>Paul Rodriguez
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bryan Martin
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 7:33 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy latch cable
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Make i'm yours. Create a custom banner to support your cause.
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| Subject: | Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft |
Dans right dude, when the flap goes up, it hits the outside stop and locks in place
by continuing to move an additional 2mm or so up, hence locking up. If you
are hell bent on putting two stops, one in and one outboard. make the outboard
5mm per plans then the inboard 3mm.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: leinad <leinad@hughes.net>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2008 7:55 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: The accident versus ready to fly aircraft
>
>
>Tim,
>It might work, but I think it could have the opposite effect. By having the stop
along way from the flap actuating lever, the flap is allowed to twist a little
in the up position so that it's solidly held. By putting a stop inboard,
there won't be any twist and you may have it held firm on the inboard side but
the flexibility of the flap will allow it to just rattle against the other stop.
If they could be adjusted so that the outboard one engaged first, allowed
the flap to twist or spring a little, then the inboard one touches it might
work. All this just to say, I don't think your idea is a simple slam dunk.
>Dan
>
>
>> ="Tim Juhl"]Flap Stop comment - The nylon stop does a good job of preventing
movement of the retracted flap at the outboard end, while the inboard end is
restrained by the actuating pin which rests in a slot. I am considering installing
a second stop at the inboard end to make it even more solid.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Do not archive
>
>
>--------
>Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179937#179937
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: extended wing tips |
Sooo. the cat is out of the bag! :D
Do not archive!
Kevin
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | New Letter from Chris |
There is a new letter from Chris (4/24) about the S & F accident posted to the
Builder Updates and Resources site.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS |
CABLE
We're not talking about control cables here, just canopy latch cables.
The cables supplied with the kit for this purpose are most likely the
same as the hardware store variety.
Control cables are another matter entirely.
>
> pleas use aviation grade cable, much better design than marine grade. aviation
grade is grease impreged, and more strands per cable.
> Don't cut corners!
>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
It was about 81 here in south FLA,so I took 'Riptide" for a little "romp"
(22Donzi clasicc/425 hp) Sorry to hear about all that snow! Sombody ought
to tell Al Gore about about all that snow, then again better not,he's made
over 50 mill with this Global warming think. Enjoy your snow it will be hot
as hell soon enough up there .. Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan" <dwilde@clearwire.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
>
> Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sitting here in Northern Minnesota, it's nearly May, and we're
>>> expecting 11-15 inches of SNOW by tomorrow morning (third weekend out of
>>> the last 4 with more than a foot of snow)
>>
>>
> Paul: I grew up in Park Rapids so I know about the long winters. It was
> 90 degrees here yesterday (Central Valley of California).
>
> Dan Wilde
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop for 601 XL |
AMD http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/601.html uses the 0-200 in their factory built plane. I checked the website but only found reference to a "Sensenich Fixed pitch prop." An email to AMD or Sensenich would probably supply the info you need.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
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| Subject: | XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
I've picked up a few references to a "New, triangular upper engine mount fitting."
I took delivery of my kit in May 2006. Has there been a redesign of the
mount since then that I am not aware of?
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
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| Subject: | XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
I've picked up a few references to a "New, triangular upper engine mount fitting."
I took delivery of my kit in May 2006. Has there been a redesign of the
mount since then that I am not aware of?
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
Tim Juhl wrote:
> I've picked up a few references to a "New, triangular upper engine mount fitting."
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Zenith601XLBRSBrackets
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
IF PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF TIME ON THERE HANDS INSIST ON POSTING THESE TYPES OF
MESSAGES
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU MARK THEM DO NOT ARCHIVE.
I personaly have no use for USA weather reports as I am in Australia and we
have TV weather reports every evening
I have a CH701 and am BUILDING an other and Subscribe to this Builders
website for Building tips suggestione etc
Already bored shitless with wings failing on 601 posts.
Please DO NOT ARCHIVE
Graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> It was about 81 here in south FLA,so I took 'Riptide" for a little "romp"
> (22Donzi clasicc/425 hp) Sorry to hear about all that snow! Sombody
> ought to tell Al Gore about about all that snow, then again better
> not,he's made over 50 mill with this Global warming think. Enjoy your snow
> it will be hot as hell soon enough up there .. Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan" <dwilde@clearwire.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
>
>
>>
>> Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sitting here in Northern Minnesota, it's nearly May, and we're
>>>> expecting 11-15 inches of SNOW by tomorrow morning (third weekend out
>>>> of the last 4 with more than a foot of snow)
>>>
>>>
>> Paul: I grew up in Park Rapids so I know about the long winters. It was
>> 90 degrees here yesterday (Central Valley of California).
>>
>> Dan Wilde
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Date: 28/04/2008 1:29 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Letter from Chris |
Can you post it to the forum?
Thanks,
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS |
CABLE
remember that the cabin latch cable will be in a weather prone area that will not
be accessible. Go with a cable that will not need replacement due to weather.
DOn't skimp unless you want to drill rivets out and replace the cable down
the road.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2008 9:09 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy latch cable MARINE STORES CARRY STAINLESS
CABLE
>
>
>We're not talking about control cables here, just canopy latch cables.
>The cables supplied with the kit for this purpose are most likely the
>same as the hardware store variety.
>
>Control cables are another matter entirely.
>
>>
>> pleas use aviation grade cable, much better design than marine grade. aviation
grade is grease impreged, and more strands per cable.
>> Don't cut corners!
>>
>
>--
>Bryan Martin
>Zenith 601XL N61BM
>Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drill guides for reamers |
I improvised a solution with a vee-block when I reamed my spar attach points.
It was to big to move once the dihedral was set, so I just did it in place.
It gives you a good visual to start and follow. It was actually two hands, (picture
was pre-tripod), one holding the drill/reamer and one holding the vee-block.
Use lots of tap-magic to keep it wet while reaming.
Here is a link:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=1683&log=24457&row=193
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Ignition cables? |
My CAM100 (Honda 1.5L conversion) has only 60 hours over the past 7
years. Sheesh - check the archives for trials and tribulations along
the way.
Anyhow, of late it's running very nicely but I do notice what might
be a slight missing when the engine is loaded up in climb mode. It's
not really pronounced and I can't detect it in other operational
modes. Of course there's always a chance that it's really just an
aerodynamic buffet of some sort that pulses the underbelly of the
aircraft in certain conditions...
At any rate, after 7 years I figure the ignition cables should be
changed along with new plugs asap. That'll hopefully fix the
problem. Does anyone have any particular brands that work well and
endure the heat and vibes of an aircraft installation? Thanks.
Grant Corriveau
grant.corriveau@telus.net
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The Wings Stayed On!
http://aluwings.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: rear wing spars |
I bent mine in a press brake but could only get them 90 degrees so I setup a fixture
on the table top to tweak the flanges and hold the size between bends.
see it here:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=1683&log=24458&row=192
You can also bend it by hand as Dan suggests just go slow, bend a little at a time
the whole length.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: New Letter from Chris |
Here it is:
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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Attachments:
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Lee, go on my web site
http://www.zodiac640.com/
On this specific page below, you will see how I do this kind of bending for
my tail wing spar ( 9 feet x .040 in 6061-T6). The spar is around 3 meter
long. Special bending technique required to bend with increment of 10
degrees, on a left and right alternance bending.
http://www.zodiac640.com/tail.htm
I do also other bendings for my wing spars (12 feet long for uper and lower
angle in .032 in 6061-T6) with my 8 feet brake.
Good visit. Ask me questions if you have those after visit.
A+
Christian Tremblay
CH640 Plan builder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lee Steensland
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 14:45
Subject: Zenith-List: rear wing spars
<zenith-list@steensland.net>
Looking ahead a little, I was wondering how scratch builders are bending
their rear wing spars? Most of the D-I-Y brakes I've seen are all 8'
and the spar is a full 12'.
Are people extending their brakes to bend a full 12' or are they farming
out those few bends.
--
Lee Steensland
601XL/Corvair (7637L reserved) Kit/Scratch builder 0.01% complete!
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| Subject: | Re: New Letter from Chris |
Thanks!
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Andrew Lieser
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| Subject: | Re: Prop for 601 XL |
I AM USING A WARP DRIVE THREE BLADE AT 68 INCHES. I WAS TOLD BY WARP DRIVE THAT
I HAD TO USE A THREE BLADE DUE THE HIGH IMPULSE LOADS FROM THIS ENGINE. SO
FAR WORKS GREAT ON TEST RUNS. I SHOULD BE FLYING A A FEW MORE WEEKS.
IF ANYONE ELSE HAS THIS SETUP I'D SURE LIKE TO KNOW WHAT BLADE ANGLE YOU USED.
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601XL N676L reserved
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: extended wing tips |
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CARRY A BIKE?
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601XL N676L reserved
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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