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1. 12:51 PM - Re: Flap Stop (lgingell)
2. 12:52 PM - Barcelona Crash (James E. Lanier)
3. 12:52 PM - Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (Tim Juhl)
4. 12:53 PM - Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group (ashontz)
5. 12:54 PM - Re: Flap stop (Maarten Versteeg)
6. 12:54 PM - Re: Unintended Consequences, and this outside engineering Plan (ashontz)
7. 12:54 PM - Re: Flying Music (Larry Hursh)
8. 12:54 PM - Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. (ALAN BEYER)
9. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: New Letter from Chris (Iberplanes IGL)
10. 12:54 PM - Re: Flying Music (Bob Sturgis)
11. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: extended wing tips (JG)
12. 12:55 PM - Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (PatrickW)
13. 01:03 PM - Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (MHerder)
14. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
15. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (Trainnut01@aol.com)
16. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
17. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (steve)
18. 01:37 PM - Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. (Dave G.)
19. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Flap Stop (Jaybannist@cs.com)
20. 01:44 PM - Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (Gig Giacona)
21. 01:59 PM - Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. (Gig Giacona)
22. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. (ALAN BEYER)
23. 02:47 PM - Re: HD &HDS was 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. (john H)
24. 03:03 PM - Another Canopy Question (dgardea(at)gmail.com)
25. 03:26 PM - Re: Another Canopy Question (Jaybannist@cs.com)
26. 03:34 PM - Re: Barcelona Crash (M.Marcotte)
27. 03:37 PM - Re: Another Canopy Question (wade jones)
28. 03:45 PM - Re: Barcelona Crash (jreekree)
29. 03:50 PM - Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (PatrickW)
30. 04:00 PM - Re: Flying Music (Graeme)
31. 04:21 PM - Oil plug number (george may)
32. 05:57 PM - Intolerant? (THOMAS SMALL)
33. 06:18 PM - Re: New Letter from Chris (dalemed)
34. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: New Letter from Chris (george may)
35. 07:07 PM - XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed (PatrickW)
36. 07:16 PM - Re: XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed (Jay Maynard)
37. 07:23 PM - Re: Flying Music (Southern Reflections)
38. 07:26 PM - Re: Flying Music (Southern Reflections)
39. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (Craig Payne)
40. 07:44 PM - Re: Another Canopy Question (Craig Payne)
41. 07:52 PM - Re: XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed (cookwithgas)
42. 07:52 PM - Re: Flying Music (Graeme)
43. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 (Craig Payne)
44. 08:03 PM - Re: XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed (Craig Payne)
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Thanks Jay. What date are your plans?
Cheers,
..lance
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Thanks to one of the members here, I have the Spanish text. Until
someone does a proper translation, here is a Google translation.
Not too good, but I think you will understand most of it.
www.chemroc.com//CH601/translate_t.htm
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
Patrick,
I looked at your pix of the BRS-ready upper engine mount brackets. I guess my
question is whether they are only intended for use if installation of a BRS chute
is anticipated or do they replace the former design for 6B6-4?
BTW - Congrats on the EAA presentation. I'm at about the same point you are, getting
ready to install the forward side skins.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group |
I posted this in the Unintended Consequenses thread, but I think it's worth noting
here also just in case no one here is reading that thread. If you haven't
you might want to take a look at it.
The more I think about this, the more I agree. Lawyers already ruined general avaition,
no sense letting one buy another waterfront home in Boca Raton (and an
original restored P-51 Mustang as a trophy for a 'job(?) well done') and in
the process ruin homebuilding for everyone else. Too many lawyers in this country
and not enough real producing workers like homebuildes themselves. As soon
as I saw someone in the analysis group mention a lawyer, that's time to do a
180 on that noise. Drop the issue, shut up and build your plane or sell or scrap
it if you don't want to build it. BUT DO NOT LET THE SPOILS OF GENUINE HARD
WORK GO TO LAZY PARASITIC LAWYERS THAT ARE AFRAID OF A HAMMER AND COULDN'T SURVIVE
3 SECONDS IN A WORLD WITHOUT SOMEONE TO LEACH OFF OF.
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CH601XL - Corvair
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Hello Tim,
I don't know if a second stop would improve the flap stabilization
in the up position. Having only a single stop at the outboard end
and having the inboard end being pushed up by the control pin may
do a better job in placing the flap in a locked position. By adding
a third point one of the support points won't be held snug since
the flap is over constrained. You may want to make sure that the
inboard flap stop is the shortest and only prevents the flap
from being overstretched but the material springiness should hold
the flap between outboard stop and the inboard pin.
Regards,
Maarten
601xl plans building first wing, marked the flap stop position as
no rivet zone.
> >
> > Flap Stop comment - The nylon stop does a good job of preventing
movement
> > of the retracted flap at the outboard end, while the inboard end is
> > restrained by the actuating pin which rests in a slot. I am
considering
> > installing a second stop at the inboard end to make it even more solid.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Unintended Consequences, and this outside engineering |
Plan
The more I think about this, the more I agree. Lawyers already ruined general avaition,
no sense letting one buy another waterfront home in Boca Raton (and an
original restored P-51 Mustang as a trophy for a 'job(?) well done') and in
the process ruin homebuilding for everyone else. Too many lawyers in this country
and not enough real producing workers like homebuildes themselves. As soon
as I saw someone in the analysis group mention a lawyer, that's time to do a
180 on that noise. Drop the issue, shut up and build your plane or sell or scrap
it if you don't want to build it. BUT DO NOT LET THE SPOILS OF GENUINE HARD
WORK GO TO LAZY PARASITIC LAWYERS THE ARE AFRAID OF A HAMMER AND COULDN'T SURVIVE
3 SECONDS IN A WORLD WITHOUT SOMEONE TO LEACH OFF OF.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
Dear Graeme,
Unfortunately, when you live in the USA, we have all types of weather here and
it DOES get cold and it DOES snow. This not only effects some of use that don't
have a heated facility to build in and for those of us that do fly, the weather
IS a big part of what we do also. I suggest to keep your stress levels
way down, when you read or see something that you KNOW will anger you - hit the
delete key, QUICKLY. It tends to keep the peace more with everyone that way.
You will be much happier for it, and so will we.
Larry Hursh
CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning)
(N601LL Reserved)
SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com
Keep your eyes skyward - always!
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. |
Hi John,
I have an HDS with about 350 HRS. and a 3300 Jabiru engine. I friend of mine has
an HD with a Corvair. He said to me a couple of times that he wishes his would
climb like mine does. The thing is that he is not comparing apples to apples.
I have 120 HP-- he has 100 HP. My empty weight is 705#'s--his is 780+#'s.
I think you are right about the ride in rough air. My HDS rides a little
smoother, but if is turbulent you still get bounced around . At gross weight
of 1200#'s my Vy is 1100 FPM and Vx is 925 FPM. If I am alone it will climb
about 1200 FPM or a little more. There is also a speed difference. I will
cruise at 125 MPH @ 2800 RPM and he cruises at around 90 MPH. We flew from Oshkosh
to Open Hangar Days at Zenith. It took him an extra 1 1/2 HRS. He said
he might be looking for a set of HDS wings if someone would like to trade.
I don't know what he would see for cruise speed and climb rate with the shorter
wings, but it would be
interesting to see. He still has to remember he has more weight and less HP.
I think HP is the big thing with my plane. I fly into some very short grass
fields.
I feel the same way about my plane as you do about yours--It is a solid airplane
and fun to fly.
Happy flying,
AL from Oshkosh
----- Original Message ----
From: john H <professor71@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:25:46 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Hi Al
I would say the biggest trade off would be climb performance. The HD wing also
probably has a little more glide to it. One other thing would be horsepower. With
the HD the 80hp 912 works really well but in the summer at higher density
altitudes, performance with 80hp and HDS wings would be a little anemic. I have
not flown an HDS so these comments are coming from other HDS fliers who I have
talked to when I was considering changing my HD to an HDS. Most agreed that
the HDS is better with at least 100hp.
John
From: agbeyer@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Hi John,
What do feel are the trade-offs of the HDS vs the HD?
Al
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From: john H <professor71@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:25:16 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
I have been flying a 601HD for 3 years with 300hrs now. It is not smooth in turbulent
air. In fact I get bounced around pretty good in turbulent air. Probably
due to the fact that is is a high lift wing and a light airplane. Now the HDS
wing is probably smoother but it has its trade offs too. Overall, the 601HD
is a solid airplane and fun to fly...
John
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> I actually like the olders designs better, the 601 HD is my favorite. Those
> thick, thick wings skip through turbulant air with =======================
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Letter from Chris |
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/cheintz-ntsb-nyc08fa158.pdf
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
2008/4/29 Andrewlieser <Andrewlieser@gmail.com>:
>
> Can you post it to the forum?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
> --------
> Andrew Lieser
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179981#179981
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
What an intolerant sole.
----- Original Message ----
From: Graeme <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:14:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
IF PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF TIME ON THERE HANDS INSIST ON POSTING THESE TYPES OF
MESSAGES
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU MARK THEM DO NOT ARCHIVE.
I personaly have no use for USA weather reports as I am in Australia and we
have TV weather reports every evening
I have a CH701 and am BUILDING an other and Subscribe to this Builders
website for Building tips suggestione etc
Already bored shitless with wings failing on 601 posts.
Please DO NOT ARCHIVE
Graemecns
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From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> It was about 81 here in south FLA,so I took 'Riptide" for a little "romp"
> (22Donzi clasicc/425 hp) Sorry to hear about all that snow! Sombody
> ought to tell Al Gore about about all that snow, then again better
> not,he's made over 50 mill with this Global warming think. Enjoy your snow
> it will be hot as hell soon enough up there .. Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan" <dwilde@clearwire.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
>
>
>>
>> Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sitting here in Northern Minnesota, it's nearly May, and we're
>>>> expecting 11-15 inches of SNOW by tomorrow morning (third weekend out
>>>> of the last 4 with more than a foot of snow)
>>>
>>>
>> Paul: I grew up in Park Rapids so I know about the long winters. It was
>> 90 degrees here yesterday (Central Valley of California).
>>
>> Dan Wilde
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Date: 28/04/2008 1:29 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: extended wing tips |
I don't like talking about what I'm gonna do until I've done it and
confirmed that it works. That little snippet slipped out by
accident..... My project is fairly involved and quite a bit to do yet,
but it's looking good so far. I'll post the results when it's all done,
in about a month.
In the meantime, have a look at the 701 Builders Forum on Yahoo.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/701builders/ In a posting yesterday, Ted
Jula tells about real long distance travel he's done in a 701 with a
folding bike. No major mods needed and works well for him.
JG
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----- Original Message -----
From: GLJSOJ1
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: extended wing tips
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CARRY A BIKE?
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601XL N676L reserved
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
Tim Juhl wrote:
> I guess my question is whether they are only intended for use if installation
of a BRS chute is anticipated or do they replace the former design for 6B6-4?
I specified that I wanted the "BRS Brackets" when I ordered my fuselage. When
I spoke with Nick & a BRS VP (at Oshkosh), Nick said that these brackets would
be standard, and would also allow for builders to retrofit a BRS in the future.
So my understanding is "Yes, these brackets replace 6B6-4".
Has anyone ordered a fuselage kit in the last 6 months and received the smaller
6B6-4 mounts...?
Thanks,
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
That makes three of us about ready to put the front side skins on... I'm glad
to see others asking the same questions in the same areas I am.
PS I picked up the fuselage kit in Late Dec of 07 and I received the new style
BRS mount.
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
I just picked up my kit last week and it had the new mount and I did not say
I wanted BRS so it must be standard now.
Jeff
Has anyone ordered a fuselage kit in the last 6 months and received the
smaller 6B6-4 mounts...?
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
I did not order a complete kit but I did order the 6B6-4 brackets. I
received the new triangular mounts.
Carroll Jernigan
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group |
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:34 PM, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
> BUT DO NOT LET THE SPOILS OF GENUINE HARD WORK GO TO LAZY PARASITIC
> LAWYERS THAT ARE AFRAID OF A HAMMER AND COULDN'T SURVIVE 3 SECONDS
> IN A WORLD WITHOUT SOMEONE TO LEACH OFF OF.
Wow. (a) Everyone loves their own lawyer and hates everyone else's.
(b) In a civil society, this is indeed as it *should* be. (c) No
lawyer by themselves has standing to file suit; behind every lawsuit
is the citizen or corporation who hired them. (d) At least we're
governed by the rule of law, not by random mobs and thuggery; for
that, you might have to thank some people with legal knowledge, and
some of them are even lawyers!
Cheers,
Ihab
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
speaking of brs mounts on the firewall.... how hard is it to retro fit on a
built 601 xl.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "MHerder" <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4
>
> That makes three of us about ready to put the front side skins on... I'm
> glad to see others asking the same questions in the same areas I am.
>
> PS I picked up the fuselage kit in Late Dec of 07 and I received the new
> style BRS mount.
>
> --------
> One Rivet at a Time!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180048#180048
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. |
I found the ride in an HD to be fairly smooth. There's so many variables
of course but I found it a refreshing ride. Now if only there were some
way to enjoy the wonderful view that bubble affords without baking!
----- Original Message -----
From: ALAN BEYER
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Hi John,
I have an HDS with about 350 HRS. and a 3300 Jabiru engine. I friend
of mine has an HD with a Corvair. He said to me a couple of times that
he wishes his would climb like mine does. The thing is that he is not
comparing apples to apples. I have 120 HP-- he has 100 HP. My empty
weight is 705#'s--his is 780+#'s. I think you are right about the ride
in rough air. My HDS rides a little smoother, but if is turbulent you
still get bounced around . At gross weight of 1200#'s my Vy is 1100
FPM and Vx is 925 FPM. If I am alone it will climb about 1200 FPM or a
little more. There is also a speed difference. I will cruise at 125
MPH @ 2800 RPM and he cruises at around 90 MPH. We flew from Oshkosh to
Open Hangar Days at Zenith. It took him an extra 1 1/2 HRS. He said he
might be looking for a set of HDS wings if someone would like to trade.
I don't know what he would see for cruise speed and climb rate with
the shorter wings, but it would be interesting to see. He still has to
remember he has more weight and less HP. I think HP is the big thing
with my plane. I fly into some very short grass fields.
I feel the same way about my plane as you do about yours--It is a
solid airplane and fun to fly.
Happy flying,
AL from Oshkosh
----- Original Message ----
From: john H <professor71@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:25:46 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Hi Al
I would say the biggest trade off would be climb performance. The HD
wing also probably has a little more glide to it. One other thing would
be horsepower. With the HD the 80hp 912 works really well but in the
summer at higher density altitudes, performance with 80hp and HDS wings
would be a little anemic. I have not flown an HDS so these comments are
coming from other HDS fliers who I have talked to when I was considering
changing my HD to an HDS. Most agreed that the HDS is better with at
least 100hp.
John
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:03:30 -0700
From: agbeyer@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Hi John,
What do feel are the trade-offs of the HDS vs the HD?
Al
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----- Original Message ----
From: john H <professor71@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:25:16 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
I have been flying a 601HD for 3 years with 300hrs now. It is not
smooth in turbulent air. In fact I get bounced around pretty good in
turbulent air. Probably due to the fact that is is a high lift wing and
a light airplane. Now the HDS wing is probably smoother but it has its
trade offs too. Overall, the 601HD is a solid airplane and fun to fly...
John
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> I actually like the olders designs better, the 601 HD is my
favorite. Those
> thick, thick wings skip through turbulant air with
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Lance,
My plans are dated August 25, 2005, marked up with Rev. 3, 3/15/06.
Jay in Dallas
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"lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks Jay. What date are your plans?
>
>Cheers,
>..lance
>
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>http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
Looking at Scott's installation which doesn't use the Zenith BRS brackets it doesn't
look like it would be to bad.
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BRS.html
notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
> speaking of brs mounts on the firewall.... how hard is it to retro fit on a
> built 601 xl.....
> ---
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. |
Keep adding vents until you are comfortable. I've got the factory NACA and I'm
going to install Vista Vents as well. I'm willing to bet I'll hae to add more
down here in South Arkansas.
d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico wrote:
> I found the ride in an HD to be fairly smooth. There's so many variables of
course but I found it a refreshing ride. Now if only there were some way to enjoy
the wonderful view that bubble affords without baking!
>
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. |
I have two large vents from Vans and a Koger Sunshade. I also have a folding link
to keep the canope slightly open when I taxi. When you are in the air get
some altitude and it is nice and cool.
Al from Oshkosh
----- Original Message ----
From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:56:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Keep adding vents until you are comfortable. I've got the factory NACA and I'm
going to install Vista Vents as well. I'm willing to bet I'll hae to add more
down here in South Arkansas.
d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico wrote:
> I found the ride in an HD to be fairly smooth. There's so many variables of
course but I found it a refreshing ride. Now if only there were some way to enjoy
the wonderful view that bubble affords without baking!
>
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | HD &HDS was 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P. |
Hi Alan and other posters
I have the Rotax 912ul with a 70" warp drive prop. My cruise by gps is 100m
ph at 5100-5200rpms and 4 gallons per hour fuel burn. Empty weight is 650 l
bs. I am surprised that the corvair powered HD only has a 90mph cruise. May
be it is the prop setting. The gentleman who posted yesterday (sorry I forg
ot your name) was absolutely right on with his comment on wing loading and
turbulence. These are light planes with light wing loadings. Most of the tu
rbulence I experience is due to living and flying in the mountains and it's
usually windy. Almost always a crosswind takeoff and landing. On nice days
I have flown as long as 20 min. without touching the stick. On not so nice
days it can be like riding a bucking bronco.
For those talking about baking from the heat, I put Limo tint film from wal
-mart on the inside top of the canopy and use a scrap piece to block the s
un wherever needed. I think I only paid about $6.00 for the film. It works
great. It is often in the 80-90 degree range here in the summer. I have t
he naca side vents in the fuselage and I also have a forward opening canopy
of my design that I can keep open during taxi. I have flown in C-172s that
were more uncomfortable in the summer.
Regards to all
John
From: agbeyer@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Hi John,
I have an HDS with about 350 HRS. and a 3300 Jabiru engine. I friend of mi
ne has an HD with a Corvair. He said to me a couple of times that he wishe
s his would climb like mine does. The thing is that he is not comparing ap
ples to apples. I have 120 HP-- he has 100 HP. My empty weight is 705#'s-
-his is 780+#'s. I think you are right about the ride in rough air. My HD
S rides a little smoother, but if is turbulent you still get bounced around
. At gross weight of 1200#'s my Vy is 1100 FPM and Vx is 925 FPM. If I
am alone it will climb about 1200 FPM or a little more. There is also a sp
eed difference. I will cruise at 125 MPH @ 2800 RPM and he cruises at aro
und 90 MPH. We flew from Oshkosh to Open Hangar Days at Zenith. It took h
im an extra 1 1/2 HRS. He said he might be looking for a set of HDS wings
if someone would like to
trade. I don't know what he would see for cruise speed and climb rate wi
th the shorter wings, but it would be interesting to see. He still has to
remember he has more weight and less HP. I think HP is the big thing with
my plane. I fly into some very short grass fields.
I feel the same way about my plane as you do about yours--It is a solid air
plane and fun to fly.
Happy flying,
AL from Oshkosh
----- Original Message ----
From: john H <professor71@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:25:46 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Hi Al
I would say the biggest trade off would be climb performance. The HD wing a
lso probably has a little more glide to it. One other thing would be horsep
ower. With the HD the 80hp 912 works really well but in the summer at highe
r density altitudes, performance with 80hp and HDS wings would be a little
anemic. I have not flown an HDS so these comments are coming from other HDS
fliers who I have talked to when I was considering changing my HD to an HD
S. Most agreed that the HDS is better with at least 100hp.
John
From: agbeyer@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
Hi John,
What do feel are the trade-offs of the HDS vs the HD?
Al
Do not archive
----- Original Message ----
From: john H <professor71@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:25:16 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL- how long?- till R.I.P.
I have been flying a 601HD for 3 years with 300hrs now. It is not smooth in
turbulent air. In fact I get bounced around pretty good in turbulent air.
Probably due to the fact that is is a high lift wing and a light airplane.
Now the HDS wing is probably smoother but it has its trade offs too. Overal
l, the 601HD is a solid airplane and fun to fly...
John
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> I actually like the olders designs better, the 601 HD is my favorite. Tho
se
> thick, thick wings skip through turbulant air with =======
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| Subject: | Another Canopy Question |
Folks,
Wings and tail are done and I pick up my 601XL fuselage this coming Friday. I also
had the canopy kit on order and planned to order my canopy from Todd's canopies,
but as I mentioned in another post Todd is not selling the 601XL canopies
to anyone except to Zenith now. Today I spoke with Roger at Zenith and while
they are looking at eventually modifying the canopy using a newer, longer version
from Todd, he could not say what the timetable is for this new version,
but it would certainly not be compatible with the canopy kit I intended to pick
up Friday. So.. the question is should I leave this off my order for now and
start construction on the 601XL fuselage banking on a different version of the
canopy kit becoming available along the way? How far along can I get with the
fuselage kit before I will be starting with the canopy construction? Thanks
for any advice you guys can provide.
Dave Gardea
do not archive
dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote:
> David,
>
> Yep, I wish had ordered a while back for that reason exactly .. buying from Zenith
will be more expensive. Yesterday Todd was not willing to sell directly
to me as he now has a deal with Zenith, as recently as Sun-n-Fun, to be their
supplier for the 601XL canopies. When I head out there in two weeks I hope to
talk with Sebastien about their plans for and price on Todd's supplied canopy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
> do not archive
--------
Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
wings done - working on corvair while waiting for fuselage kit
http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
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| Subject: | Another Canopy Question |
Dave,
I worked four months (about 310 hours) on the fuselage before I did anything pertaining
to the canopy, if that helps.
Jay in Dallas CH 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser"
"dgardea(at)gmail.com" <dgardea@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Folks,
>
>Wings and tail are done and I pick up my 601XL fuselage this coming Friday. I
also had the canopy kit on order and planned to order my canopy from Todd's canopies,
but as I mentioned in another post Todd is not selling the 601XL canopies
to anyone except to Zenith now. Today I spoke with Roger at Zenith and while
they are looking at eventually modifying the canopy using a newer, longer version
from Todd, he could not say what the timetable is for this new version,
but it would certainly not be compatible with the canopy kit I intended to pick
up Friday. So.. the question is should I leave this off my order for now and
start construction on the 601XL fuselage banking on a different version of the
canopy kit becoming available along the way? How far along can I get with the
fuselage kit before I will be starting with the canopy construction? Thanks
for any advice you guys can provide.
>
>Dave Gardea
>
>do not archive
>
>
>dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> David,
>>
>> Yep, I wish had ordered a while back for that reason exactly .. buying from
Zenith will be more expensive. Yesterday Todd was not willing to sell directly
to me as he now has a deal with Zenith, as recently as Sun-n-Fun, to be their
supplier for the 601XL canopies. When I head out there in two weeks I hope to
talk with Sebastien about their plans for and price on Todd's supplied canopy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
>--------
>Dave Gardea
>601XL - Corvair
>wings done - working on corvair while waiting for fuselage kit
>http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180117#180117
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Barcelona Crash |
Here's a translation:
"Zenair CH601XL Homebuilt.
The plane was on a local flight of about thirty minutes. As it was returning
to its base and about five minutes away, the plane, according to witnesses,
started a descent along the side of a small hill and as they could observe
from various angles, the planes wings folded in flight.
According to what could be observed, the right wind folded and crushed the
cockpit, producing a loud noise and ended up on top of the left wing; the
wings did not separate from the structure, they only folded.
A witness was at about 600 meters along the trajectory of the aircraft and
before the impact his (her) attention was attracted by a plane at low
altitude; he looked at it to see where it was going and to his great
surprise, he saw its wings fold and its cockpit being smashed to pieces (we
later verified that pieces of Lexan, most of them of small size, were strewn
over several streets within a radius of 300 meters before the impact); then,
the plane spun in the air and disappeared behind a small hill, according to
the witness.
A second person, from a closer location on the same trajectory 300 meters
before the impact, heard a loud noise that made him (her) turn around to
look at the plane and he saw an plane with a wing folded and making a
tremendous noise as that wing moved back and forth; he also mentioned a
final spin in the air before the plane crashed to the ground almost
vertically; he said the engine was running at high power; the engine was
thrown several meters away because of the great impact."
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Lanier" <jim.lanier@charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Barcelona Crash
<jim.lanier@charter.net>
>
> Thanks to one of the members here, I have the Spanish text. Until
> someone does a proper translation, here is a Google translation.
> Not too good, but I think you will understand most of it.
>
> www.chemroc.com//CH601/translate_t.htm
>
> Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Canopy Question |
Hey Dave ,you have a lot of work before you will need you canopy .I have
just finished installing my canopy ,this is after the fuselage was built .In
my case the canopy can be installed just before you start on the engine and
inst. panel . Good luck DO NOT ARCHIVE
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" <dgardea@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Another Canopy Question
> <dgardea@gmail.com>
>
> Folks,
>
> Wings and tail are done and I pick up my 601XL fuselage this coming
> Friday. I also had the canopy kit on order and planned to order my canopy
> from Todd's canopies, but as I mentioned in another post Todd is not
> selling the 601XL canopies to anyone except to Zenith now. Today I spoke
> with Roger at Zenith and while they are looking at eventually modifying
> the canopy using a newer, longer version from Todd, he could not say what
> the timetable is for this new version, but it would certainly not be
> compatible with the canopy kit I intended to pick up Friday. So.. the
> question is should I leave this off my order for now and start
> construction on the 601XL fuselage banking on a different version of the
> canopy kit becoming available along the way? How far along can I get with
> the fuselage kit before I will be starting with the canopy construction?
> Thanks for any advice you guys can provide.
>
> Dave Gardea
>
> do not archive
>
>
> dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> David,
>>
>> Yep, I wish had ordered a while back for that reason exactly .. buying
>> from Zenith will be more expensive. Yesterday Todd was not willing to
>> sell directly to me as he now has a deal with Zenith, as recently as
>> Sun-n-Fun, to be their supplier for the 601XL canopies. When I head out
>> there in two weeks I hope to talk with Sebastien about their plans for
>> and price on Todd's supplied canopy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
> --------
> Dave Gardea
> 601XL - Corvair
> wings done - working on corvair while waiting for fuselage kit
> http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180117#180117
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Barcelona Crash |
I still want to wait for the final determinations of these accidents, but it is
remarkably similar to the witness reports of Bob's crash in Polk City.
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
Has anyone received the REAR brackets in addition to the front ones...?
I only got the front ones.
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
I am a very tolerant sole up to a point (I Work in Retail)
The main point of my post is to remind people to add Do not archive to
frivilous posts.
The rest of the post was to make sure it was read.
I worked
Thanks Graemecns
DO NOT Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Sturgis
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
What an intolerant sole.
----- Original Message ----
From: Graeme <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:14:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
<graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
IF PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF TIME ON THERE HANDS INSIST ON POSTING THESE
TYPES OF
MESSAGES
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU MARK THEM DO NOT ARCHIVE.
I personaly have no use for USA weather reports as I am in Australia
and we
have TV weather reports every evening
I have a CH701 and am BUILDING an other and Subscribe to this Builders
website for Building tips suggestione etc
Already bored shitless with wings failing on 601 posts.
Please DO NOT ARCHIVE
Graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> It was about 81 here in south FLA,so I took 'Riptide" for a little
"romp"
> (22Donzi clasicc/425 hp) Sorry to hear about all that snow! Sombody
> ought to tell Al Gore about about all that snow, then again better
> not,he's made over 50 mill with this Global warming think. Enjoy
your snow
> it will be hot as hell soon enough up there .. Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan" <dwilde@clearwire.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
>
>
>>
>> Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sitting here in Northern
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Does anyone have the number of the new Rotax 912 magnetic oil plug?
George May
601XL 912s
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Subject: Re: Flying Music
From: Bob Sturgis (bobefx@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Apr 29 - 12:54 PM
> What an intolerant sole(sic). do not archiveGraeme was hardly being
intolerant, He asked that the pissy little messages someclog the list
with be marked as the List Guidelines request: with "do not archive."
How does a lister requesting that fellow members follow some basic rules
deserve being labeled intolerant? Are there different rules for some?A
few days back Michael from NH asked that subject lines be changed when
the topic in thepost changes. Was he being intolerant?Some either have
never read the Guidelines or choose to blatantly ignore them. The
additional list that Matt should have added was a Zenith-List for Those
Who Follow List Etiquette. There is a purposely-made mistake in the
above info but to catch it you'll have to read theZenith-List Usage
Guidelines.Thomas "Jeff" Small HDS/3300
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| Subject: | Re: New Letter from Chris |
Can someone please explain to me how I find these notices from Chris on the Zenith website without getting the links from this list? How would I navigate to Chris' letter using links on the http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/ page? I find the zenithair.com website very frustrating in this regard.
Thanks for any enlightenment you can give me.
--------
Dale
Flying Cessna 170B
Building Zenith 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: New Letter from Chris |
Dale--
The easiest way I found was to go to the Zenithair home page and click on
zodiac updates, then click on Zodiaic XL on line builders resources,then c
lick on Zodiac XL,then click on important notices and other building and fl
ying information
George May
601XL 912s> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New Letter from Chris> From: dalemed@
gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:15:42 -0700> To: zenith-list@matronics
Can someone please explain to me how I find these notices from Chris on th
e Zenith website without getting the links from this list? How would I navi
gate to Chris' letter using links on the http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl
/ page? I find the zenithair.com website very frustrating in this regard.>
> Thanks for any enlightenment you can give me.> > --------> Dale> Flying C
essna 170B> Building Zenith 601XL> > > > > Read this topic online here:> >
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180154#180154> > > > > > > >
> > >
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| Subject: | XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed |
Just released:
http://www.centredaily.com/business/story/558643.html
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed |
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 07:04:38PM -0700, PatrickW wrote:
> http://www.centredaily.com/business/story/558643.html
Nice. No folded wings, either.
Wonder how he entered an "unrecoverable spin", though...
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
I'am not sure if it worked or not??? How's the weather down under.....
Joe N101HD Donot archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Graeme
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
I am a very tolerant sole up to a point (I Work in Retail)
The main point of my post is to remind people to add Do not archive to
frivilous posts.
The rest of the post was to make sure it was read.
I worked
Thanks Graemecns
DO NOT Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Sturgis
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
What an intolerant sole.
----- Original Message ----
From: Graeme <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:14:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
<graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
IF PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF TIME ON THERE HANDS INSIST ON POSTING THESE
TYPES OF
MESSAGES
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU MARK THEM DO NOT ARCHIVE.
I personaly have no use for USA weather reports as I am in Australia
and we
have TV weather reports every evening
I have a CH701 and am BUILDING an other and Subscribe to this
Builders
website for Building tips suggestione etc
Already bored shitless with wings failing on 601 posts.
Please DO NOT ARCHIVE
Graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> It was about 81 here in south FLA,so I took 'Riptide" for a little
"romp"
> (22Donzi clasicc/425 hp) Sorry to hear about all that snow!
Sombody
> ought to tell Al Gore about about all that snow, then again
better
> not,he's made over 50 mill with this Global warming think. Enjoy
your snow
> it will be hot as hell soon enough up there .. Joe N101HD
601XL/RAM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan" <dwilde@clearwire.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
>
>
>>
>> Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sitting here in Northern
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
Would you be bored" shitless" if it was 701's rather than 601's????
Joe N101HD 601XL /RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: Graeme
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
I am a very tolerant sole up to a point (I Work in Retail)
The main point of my post is to remind people to add Do not archive to
frivilous posts.
The rest of the post was to make sure it was read.
I worked
Thanks Graemecns
DO NOT Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Sturgis
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
What an intolerant sole.
----- Original Message ----
From: Graeme <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:14:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
<graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
IF PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF TIME ON THERE HANDS INSIST ON POSTING THESE
TYPES OF
MESSAGES
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU MARK THEM DO NOT ARCHIVE.
I personaly have no use for USA weather reports as I am in Australia
and we
have TV weather reports every evening
I have a CH701 and am BUILDING an other and Subscribe to this
Builders
website for Building tips suggestione etc
Already bored shitless with wings failing on 601 posts.
Please DO NOT ARCHIVE
Graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> It was about 81 here in south FLA,so I took 'Riptide" for a little
"romp"
> (22Donzi clasicc/425 hp) Sorry to hear about all that snow!
Sombody
> ought to tell Al Gore about about all that snow, then again
better
> not,he's made over 50 mill with this Global warming think. Enjoy
your snow
> it will be hot as hell soon enough up there .. Joe N101HD
601XL/RAM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan" <dwilde@clearwire.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
>
>
>>
>> Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sitting here in Northern
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
I believe the rest of the parts would come from BRS. The bridle clamps are a
standard BRS part. The "L"s at the back look like what is shown in the older
601XL chute instructions from BRS and also like the parts Scott Laughlin
received directly from BRS and used in his installation.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PatrickW
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4
Has anyone received the REAR brackets in addition to the front ones...?
I only got the front ones.
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Another Canopy Question |
The QBKs come with the fuselage essentially complete and nothing done on the
canopy. Aside from the usual canopy "fun" I am having no special problems
building my canopy.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dgardea(at)gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Another Canopy Question
<dgardea@gmail.com>
Folks,
Wings and tail are done and I pick up my 601XL fuselage this coming Friday.
I also had the canopy kit on order and planned to order my canopy from
Todd's canopies, but as I mentioned in another post Todd is not selling the
601XL canopies to anyone except to Zenith now. Today I spoke with Roger at
Zenith and while they are looking at eventually modifying the canopy using a
newer, longer version from Todd, he could not say what the timetable is for
this new version, but it would certainly not be compatible with the canopy
kit I intended to pick up Friday. So.. the question is should I leave this
off my order for now and start construction on the 601XL fuselage banking on
a different version of the canopy kit becoming available along the way? How
far along can I get with the fuselage kit before I will be starting with the
canopy construction? Thanks for any advice you guys can provide.
Dave Gardea
do not archive
dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote:
> David,
>
> Yep, I wish had ordered a while back for that reason exactly .. buying
from Zenith will be more expensive. Yesterday Todd was not willing to sell
directly to me as he now has a deal with Zenith, as recently as Sun-n-Fun,
to be their supplier for the 601XL canopies. When I head out there in two
weeks I hope to talk with Sebastien about their plans for and price on
Todd's supplied canopy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
> do not archive
--------
Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
wings done - working on corvair while waiting for fuselage kit
http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
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| Subject: | Re: XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed |
Patrick:
Thanks for sharing that. It gives me great pleasure knowing the BRS system works
on the 601XL. I hope I never have to use it but it is nice to know it is there.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL/Corvair
Finished & Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
Yes I would
I am considering building a Ch601 at later date so am interested.
I am intersted in new information not the same stuff rehashed over and
over.
The weather is great here today.
Graemecns
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
Would you be bored" shitless" if it was 701's rather than 601's????
Joe N101HD 601XL /RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: Graeme
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
I am a very tolerant sole up to a point (I Work in Retail)
The main point of my post is to remind people to add Do not archive
to frivilous posts.
The rest of the post was to make sure it was read.
I worked
Thanks Graemecns
DO NOT Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Sturgis
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
What an intolerant sole.
----- Original Message ----
From: Graeme <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:14:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
<graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
IF PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF TIME ON THERE HANDS INSIST ON POSTING THESE
TYPES OF
MESSAGES
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU MARK THEM DO NOT ARCHIVE.
I personaly have no use for USA weather reports as I am in
Australia and we
have TV weather reports every evening
I have a CH701 and am BUILDING an other and Subscribe to this
Builders
website for Building tips suggestione etc
Already bored shitless with wings failing on 601 posts.
Please DO NOT ARCHIVE
Graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> It was about 81 here in south FLA,so I took 'Riptide" for a
little "romp"
> (22Donzi clasicc/425 hp) Sorry to hear about all that snow!
Sombody
> ought to tell Al Gore about about all that snow, then again
better
> not,he's made over 50 mill with this Global warming think. Enjoy
your snow
> it will be hot as hell soon enough up there .. Joe N101HD
601XL/RAM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan" <dwilde@clearwire.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Music
>
>
>>
>> Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sitting here in Northern
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| Subject: | Re: XL Upper engine mount 6B6-4 |
> speaking of brs mounts on the firewall.... how hard is it to retro fit on
a built 601 xl.....
I essentially had to do this on my QBK. As received it had the second
generation motor mount brackets (with the integrated canopy pivot
attachment). But the main bolt holes were misaligned from the holes in the
actual firewall (off by an eighth of an inch). Zenith sent me the newer
triangular as replacements.
I had three problems in the change-over:
1. On the brackets the angle between the firewall and the side that aligns
with the longerons didn't match the actual angle between my firewall and
upper longeron. I had to trim the side of the bracket so it didn't overhang
the longeron.
2. I had to trim off the upper corner of the brackets to fit the inside
curve of the firewall's flange.
3. The brackets are longer and require an extra bolt through the longerons
to the rear.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed |
The photo is small but I'm pretty sure this is one of the installation where
the chute was mounted between the firewall and the panel. I guess if this is
one of the lighter European XLs then that could have used one of BRS's
canister models. Either way it is a tight fit.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PatrickW
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:05 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: XL Down in Hungary - BRS Deployed
Just released:
http://www.centredaily.com/business/story/558643.html
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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