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1. 04:21 AM - Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (ashontz)
2. 06:28 AM - Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (Gig Giacona)
3. 06:31 AM - Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (PatrickW)
4. 07:17 AM - Zenair Newsletter Calendar request (Jon Croke)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (Terry Phillips)
6. 10:00 AM - Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (swater6)
7. 10:04 AM - For Sale - RMI uMonitor - NEW - All Probes and Upgrades! (Matt Dralle)
8. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (Steve Shuck)
9. 10:42 AM - Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (PatrickW)
10. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (Terry Phillips)
11. 11:00 AM - For Sale - Skyforce Skymap IIIC - NEW - Latest Database (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (Aerolitellc@aol.com)
13. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders -- (Frank Roskind)
14. 12:32 PM - Zenith Builders Analysis Group--A Minor Glitch (Terry Phillips)
15. 12:50 PM - Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group--A Minor Glitch (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
16. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders... (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
17. 02:20 PM - Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group--A Minor Glitch (Terry Phillips)
18. 02:59 PM - For Sale - RMI uEncoder - NEW - Assembled (Matt Dralle)
19. 04:29 PM - XL FUselage, Gear, Controls and Wing For Sale (MHerder)
20. 05:44 PM - Re: XL FUselage, Gear, Controls and Wing For Sale (Jaybannist@cs.com)
21. 06:38 PM - Re: How many Gs are these maneuvers? (Ken Lilja)
22. 07:46 PM - Re: XL FUselage, Gear, Controls and Wing For Sale (William Dominguez)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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I suspect what will be found will be a need for aileron balancing, which is the
homebuilder's responsibility, in certified planes it's the repair facilities
responsibility. The skin hinge ailerons may not have needed balancing. Tony Bingelis
has an article on the EAA site of how this is done. From hear-say, the
Thorpe had a similar problem back in the 60s or 70s and aileron balances fixed
the problem. Classic problem that's been with aviation since it's inception.
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Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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Purely out of curiosity how are you going to handle this part?
7. I would rely on you to provide sources for relevant accident information.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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davidl409(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Everything goes out tomorrow.
I mailed my check first thing this morning.
Terry - Thank you very much for getting this rolling.
- Pat
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Zenair Newsletter Calendar request |
Zenith-listers,
I will be assuming the responsibility of editor for the Zenair
newsletter a little later this year (coinciding with the newsletter's
renewal period). This is the official publication of Zenith Aircraft to
communicate with the builders and flyers of their products.
One of the projects on the slate is creation of a Zenith builder's photo
calendar which will possess some unique characteristics: it will
released for mid year (July 08 to June 09, for example) and will feature
photos of the creations of Zenith builders and flyers (aircraft!) This
calendar will also list the important dates of national fly-ins and
shows (don't we always need to plan before those dates creep up on us!)
So... I need PHOTOS of your current project (finished or not) emailed
to me... anything that might look FUN and wonderful displayed on a
hanging calendar.... I will choose at least 12 of them (maybe more /
multiple pics per month, possibly) Of course, anyone that gets their
picture chosen will receive a free calendar, and if you are already a
newsletter subscriber (you get one anyway) then we'll have to come up
with another prize.
Also, we are in need of stories, news and tidbits from around the world
related to all things Zenith (building, flying, shows, etc) so please do
not hesitate to submit them to me. If you dont like writing, I can
arrange to do an interview with you (so I do the writing!)
Please submit your photos and writings to my email: jon@joncroke.com and
we'll assume that if you send me a picture you are giving me permission
to use it in the calendar/newsletter.
Dont be afraid to submit wild and crazy photos, too... like your child,
pet, etc seated in/on your partially/completed aircraft.... no need to
have a show stopping paint job.... be creative!
I understand that not everyone is a newsletter subscriber (nor wants to
be)... part of my job is to bridge that gap by adding value (like the
calendar and other features).
Thanks for your support! (Send ideas, too)
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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At 06:24 AM 5/9/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Purely out of curiosity how are you going to handle this part?
>
>
>7. I would rely on you to provide sources for relevant accident information.
Very good question, Gig
The answer is that I'm going to do the best I can, and try to get help from
other group members, if possible. So, here goes ...
The unfortunate part is, that as far as I'm aware, neither the NTSB nor ZAC
have made available what I would consider important information, e.g., what
options were installed in the airplanes that lost wings. The NTSB final
report is available on the Oakdale crash. My plan is to put in a couple of
days trying to gather whatever information I can find, mostly over the
Internet, and send that to Mark. In addition, on 4/5/08 I posted a letter
to Sebastien Heintz, President, ZAC, to make him aware of the analysis that
we hope to begin soon, and to invite ZAC's participation at whatever level
they would like. I chose snail mail because in my experience ZAC's response
to email and website inquiries has been inconsistent (1 response from 3 or
4 messages). Obviously, there hasn't been time yet for a response from Mr.
Heintz to my letter. I'm hoping that ZAC will respond, and positively. I'm
not optimistic, however.
I believe that the following information would be important, and I would
greatly appreciate help from Zenith-Listers in these areas
* The actual structural differences between the European versions
involved in the UK and Barcelona accidents and the US versions. I.e.,
something more detailed than "The Czech-built Zodiac XL (by Czech Aircraft
Works) was re-designed and built lighter than its U.S. counterpart to meet
European ultralight rules."
* Links to any information--websites, whatever, that would identify the
options built into the downed planes.
* Links to any photos, video, written documents, whatever, that
describe the wing failures as observed from the ground.
* Ditto for the failed components after an accident.
* Definite information regarding weather conditions in the areas where
the accidents occurred.
* Definitive information, if available, that the Australian accident
was caused by a bird strike. The only bird strike evidence that I recall is
that fragments of the canopy were found at some distance from the impact
point. However, distant canopy fragments in another accident apparently
resulted from a wing impacting the canopy. I do recall posts saying that
the wings were still attached to the Australian aircraft when it was located.
If Zenith-Listers could email links to any information they think might be
helpful to me, off line, I will collect the links into a package, make an
effort to organize them, and send them on to Mark.
I would like to do better. I would appreciate any ideas on gathering useful
information.
Terry
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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Terry,
You can get a lot of information from the NTSB including any photographs or video
that was entered as exhibits, at least for cases that are closed with a probable
cause.
Click the "Records Management Division" link at the top of the NTSB report when viewing on the web. Here is the link to the Oakdale accident: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 060217X00209&key=1.
The link will take you to page that explains how to order these things if you are
a fee exempt entity. Click the "contractor" link at the bottom of this section
that explains that you must purchase from a third party if you are not exempt.
That will take you to the GMI (General Microfilm Inc.) page where you can
request information and pictures that are available.
I submitted a request a few months ago and after a few weeks got a reply with the
number of photographs available and the cost for each. That e-mail is on another
computer and I'll forward that to you tonight. As I recall, there were
about 9 wreckage photos available. I didn't follow up because I wouldn't know
what to make of them but they may prove useful for your outside expert.
Scott
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601 XL kit N596SW reserved
Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
www.scottwaters.com
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| Subject: | For Sale - RMI uMonitor - NEW - All Probes and Upgrades! |
Dear Listers,
I am selling a new, never used, fully assembled RMI uMonitor with all the probes
for a 4-cylinder engine including Fuel Flow, 4ea EGT, 4ea CGT, Carb Temp, and
Manifold pressure. The uMonitor just had all of the latest hardware and software
updates factory installed including the new high contrast LCD display supporting
Fahrenheit temp readings AND the new LED fiberoptic backlight. Also
included is the Aircraft Extras RM-1B plugin harness extender for the uMonitor
which greatly simplifies the wiring installation.
The uMonitor is in new condition with no scratches and all installation material
and manuals. The pictures below are of the actual unit for sale. The table
below lists all of the items included.
I have nearly $2800 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $2200
plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle@matronics.com if you are interested.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - RMI microMONITOR Assembled . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1299.00 $1299.00
1ea - Factory Upgrade of LCD (Fahrenheit Temp Display),
. . . . Fiberoptic LED Backlight, Latest Firmware. . . . . .$ 399.00 $ 399.00
1ea - Manifold Pressure Sensor 10.0 to 59.0 InHg. . . . . . $ 68.00 $ 68.00
2ea - EGT/CHT Multiplex Switch 2 to 6 cylinders . . . . . . $ 60.00 $ 120.00
1ea - Fuel Flow sensor, FloScan 201B-6 - .6 to 60.0 GPH. . .$ 230.00 $ 230.00
1ea - Carb Temp Sensor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 55.00 $ 55.00
4ea - EGT Thermocouple - tubing clamp type . . . . . . . . .$ 65.00 $ 260.00
4ea - CHT Thermocouple - bayonet type. . . . . . . . . . . .$ 50.00 $ 200.00
1ea - RM-1B Harness Expander, Aircraft Extras. . . . . . . .$ 155.00 $ 155.00
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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Terry will you keep us posted as far as the amount of response you receive.
My check is in the mail.
Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
At 06:24 AM 5/9/2008 -0700, you wrote:
Purely out of curiosity how are you going to handle this part?
7. I would rely on you to provide sources for relevant accident information.
Very good question, Gig
The answer is that I'm going to do the best I can, and try to get help from other
group members, if possible. So, here goes ...
The unfortunate part is, that as far as I'm aware, neither the NTSB nor ZAC have
made available what I would consider important information, e.g., what options
were installed in the airplanes that lost wings. The NTSB final report is available
on the Oakdale crash. My plan is to put in a couple of days trying to
gather whatever information I can find, mostly over the Internet, and send that
to Mark. In addition, on 4/5/08 I posted a letter to Sebastien Heintz, President,
ZAC, to make him aware of the analysis that we hope to begin soon, and
to invite ZAC's participation at whatever level they would like. I chose snail
mail because in my experience ZAC's response to email and website inquiries has
been inconsistent (1 response from 3 or 4 messages). Obviously, there hasn't
been time yet for a response from Mr. Heintz to my letter. I'm hoping that ZAC
will respond, and positively. I'm not optimistic, however.
I believe that the following information would be important, and I would greatly
appreciate help from Zenith-Listers in these areas
The actual structural differences between the European versions involved in
the UK and Barcelona accidents and the US versions. I.e., something more detailed
than "The Czech-built Zodiac XL (by Czech Aircraft Works) was re-designed
and built lighter than its U.S. counterpart to meet European ultralight rules."
Links to any information--websites, whatever, that would identify the options
built into the downed planes.
Links to any photos, video, written documents, whatever, that describe the wing
failures as observed from the ground.
Ditto for the failed components after an accident.
Definite information regarding weather conditions in the areas where the accidents
occurred.
Definitive information, if available, that the Australian accident was caused
by a bird strike. The only bird strike evidence that I recall is that fragments
of the canopy were found at some distance from the impact point. However,
distant canopy fragments in another accident apparently resulted from a wing impacting
the canopy. I do recall posts saying that the wings were still attached
to the Australian aircraft when it was located.
If Zenith-Listers could email links to any information they think might be helpful
to me, off line, I will collect the links into a package, make an effort to
organize them, and send them on to Mark.
I would like to do better. I would appreciate any ideas on gathering useful information.
Terry
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done;
working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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swater6 wrote:
> You can get a lot of information from the NTSB including any photographs or video
I wonder if such photographs and info could be collected and stored on a web page
someplace, accessible to all of us builders...?
It seems to me that when the photographs of the Yuba City XL were released, it
resulted in a lot of higher quality brainstorming than what we'd had in the past,
when all we had to go on was NTSB text, speculation, and rumors.
I think that an actual XL builder could get more relevant info out of a single
good photograph than he could out of all the NTSB XL reports combined...
- Pat
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601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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Thanks, Scott. I really appreciate your input. This group is great!
I'll check this out. Buying some of these photos may turn out to be a high
priority use for some of the group's resources, assuming we have any funds
above the minimum for the basic analysis.
Terry
At 09:57 AM 5/9/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Terry,
>You can get a lot of information from the NTSB including any photographs
>or video that was entered as exhibits, at least for cases that are closed
>with a probable cause.
>
>Click the "Records Management Division" link at the top of the NTSB report
>when viewing on the web. Here is the link to the Oakdale
>accident: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 060217X00209&key=1.
>The link will take you to page that explains how to order these things if
>you are a fee exempt entity. Click the "contractor" link at the bottom of
>this section that explains that you must purchase from a third party if
>you are not exempt. That will take you to the GMI (General Microfilm Inc.)
>page where you can request information and pictures that are available.
>
>I submitted a request a few months ago and after a few weeks got a reply
>with the number of photographs available and the cost for each. That
>e-mail is on another computer and I'll forward that to you tonight. As I
>recall, there were about 9 wreckage photos available. I didn't follow up
>because I wouldn't know what to make of them but they may prove useful for
>your outside expert.
>Scott
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | For Sale - Skyforce Skymap IIIC - NEW - Latest Database |
Dear Listers,
I am selling my new-in-box Skyforce Skymap IIIC full color GPS moving map with
Topo. The database and firmware were just upgraded 05/2008. Includes a Panel
Mounting bracket, GPS Antenna, cigarette lighter adapter, carrying case, and
all manuals. Brand new, never used. No scratches. The pictures below are of
the actual unit. The LCD color display on the IIIC is extremely nice and very
bright. Gives altitude readout. RS232 output.
I have over $2500 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $2200 plus
shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle@matronics.com if you are interested.
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List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - Skyforce Skymap IIIC w/ GPS and Americas Database. . .$2367.00 . .$2367.00
1ea - Panel Mount. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$98.00 . . .$98.00
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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I agree... From those pics the only change I am making on the flaps and
ailerons is to replace the first 6 inboard and outboard pull rivets with solid
rivets in the hinges. The pic of the hinge kinda freaks me out with all the
holes and no sign of a rivet anywhere. I figure if put solid rivets in the
first 6 holes it might stop it from pulling out the pull rivets that I will be
using in the center should flutter be the smoking gun.
It seems to me that when the photographs of the Yuba City XL were released,
it resulted in a lot of higher quality brainstorming than what we'd had in
the past, when all we had to go on was NTSB text, speculation, and rumors.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders |
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I'd suggest that weather conditions on previous flights might be of interes
t, especially whether the plane had been exposed to very cold temperatures.
Aluminum shrinks more than steel as it gets colder, so the bolts would pr
ovide less clamping force, and the holes, if tight, might put the aluminum
around the circumference in tension, leading to crack initiation. At the s
ame time the aluminum would be more brittle. If any stress were incurred,
such as a hard landing, it might spread more easily through the cold-stiffe
ned airframe. The eventual failure of the crack might be the inevitable re
sult of an earlier initiation. I remain a sideline kibbitzer, as I am only
considering purchase, but I hope the details are worked out. Good luck.
4@rkymtn.netSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group --
"I'm in" responders --At 06:24 AM 5/9/2008 -0700, you wrote:
Purely out of curiosity how are you going to handle this part?7. I would re
ly on you to provide sources for relevant accident information.Very good qu
estion, GigThe answer is that I'm going to do the best I can, and try to ge
t help from other group members, if possible. So, here goes ...The unfortun
ate part is, that as far as I'm aware, neither the NTSB nor ZAC have made a
vailable what I would consider important information, e.g., what options we
re installed in the airplanes that lost wings. The NTSB final report is ava
ilable on the Oakdale crash. My plan is to put in a couple of days trying t
o gather whatever information I can find, mostly over the Internet, and sen
d that to Mark. In addition, on 4/5/08 I posted a letter to Sebastien Heint
z, President, ZAC, to make him aware of the analysis that we hope to begin
soon, and to invite ZAC's participation at whatever level they would like.
I chose snail mail because in my experience ZAC's response to email and web
site inquiries has been inconsistent (1 response from 3 or 4 messages). Obv
iously, there hasn't been time yet for a response from Mr. Heintz to my let
ter. I'm hoping that ZAC will respond, and positively. I'm not optimistic,
however. I believe that the following information would be important, and I
would greatly appreciate help from Zenith-Listers in these areas
The actual structural differences between the European versions involved in
the UK and Barcelona accidents and the US versions. I.e., something more d
etailed than "The Czech-built Zodiac XL (by Czech Aircraft Works) was re-de
signed and built lighter than its U.S. counterpart to meet European ultrali
ght rules."
Links to any information--websites, whatever, that would identify the optio
ns built into the downed planes.
Links to any photos, video, written documents, whatever, that describe the
wing failures as observed from the ground.
Ditto for the failed components after an accident.
Definite information regarding weather conditions in the areas where the ac
cidents occurred.
Definitive information, if available, that the Australian accident was caus
ed by a bird strike. The only bird strike evidence that I recall is that fr
agments of the canopy were found at some distance from the impact point. Ho
wever, distant canopy fragments in another accident apparently resulted fro
m a wing impacting the canopy. I do recall posts saying that the wings were
still attached to the Australian aircraft when it was located. If Zenith-L
isters could email links to any information they think might be helpful to
me, off line, I will collect the links into a package, make an effort to or
ganize them, and send them on to Mark. I would like to do better. I would a
ppreciate any ideas on gathering useful information.Terry
Terry Phillipsttp44~at~rkymtn.netCorvallis MT601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o ..
o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wingsht
tp://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Zenith Builders Analysis Group--A Minor Glitch |
I screwed up.
I just went to the bank to open the Group's savings account. To avoid
filing letters of incorporation with the State of Montana and 501c(3)
papers with the IRS, I had already determined to open the account as a
joint account in Al Hays and my name. I had foolishly assumed that there
would be no problem cashing checks made out to "Zenith Builder Analysis
Group Phillips-Hays." I just went to the bank and they told me I was wrong.
We need to have the checks made out to:
Phillips-Hays
with "Zenith Builders Analysis Group" in the Memo entry.
'Sorry. If you've already mailed your check, I'll mail it back as soon as I
get it. Then you can send a new check when you get the original back.
The good news is that I have 12 folks (counting Al and me) who have pledged
to send checks. We are doing better than I expected. Knock on wood! We
might make it.
And I got a good lead from the list on buying photos from the NTSB. If we
raise any funds above the $4800 minimum those photos would probably be the
first and highest use for the excess. If there is a way to do it legally,
we would try to make the photos available to the List. We'll have to
explore copyright restrictions, etc., before we could commit, however.
Thank you for your continued support. I apologize for the extra work
resulting from my failure to get the full scoop from the bank before
sending out yesterday's message. Onward and upward.
Terry
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group--A Minor Glitch |
you should be able to do it as a DBA account
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group -- "I'm in" responders... |
The NTSB report stated that the wing top skin had pulled up from about six
feet from the tip endboard. ect.
Is there a skin lap there or is the top wing skin one piece on the 601XL? DO
NOT ARCHIVE
Jerry of GA
In a message dated 5/9/2008 2:14:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
frankroskind@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
I'd suggest that weather conditions on previous flights might be of
interest, especially whether the plane had been exposed to very cold temperatures.
Aluminum shrinks more than steel as it gets colder, so the bolts would provide
less clamping force, and the holes, if tight, might put the aluminum around
the circumference in tension, leading to crack initiation. At the same time
the aluminum would be more brittle. If any stress were incurred, such as a
hard landing, it might spread more easily through the cold-stiffened
airframe. The eventual failure of the crack might be the inevitable result of
an
earlier initiation. I remain a sideline kibbitzer, as I am only considering
purchase, but I hope the details are worked out. Good luck.
.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builders Analysis Group--A Minor Glitch |
At 03:46 PM 5/9/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>you should be able to do it as a DBA account
Good idea, Jeff. Alas, I checked with the bank and We'd still have to
register with the State of Montana to open a DBA account. Thanks for the
thought
Terry
do not archive
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | For Sale - RMI uEncoder - NEW - Assembled |
Dear Listers,
I am selling a new, never used, fully assembled RMI uEncoder. The uEncoder just
had all of the latest hardware and software updates factory installed including
the new high contrast LCD display supporting Fahrenheit temp readings AND
the new LED fiberoptic backlight. The uEncoder displays airspeed, altitude, fpm,
OAT, and outputs Mode C data for most transponders.
The uEncoder is in new condition with no scratches and all installation material
and manuals. The pictures below are of the actual unit for sale. The table
below lists all of the items included.
I have nearly $1500 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $1100
plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle@matronics.com if you are interested.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - RMI microENCODER ASSEMBLED . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1179.00 . $1179.00
1ea - RMI Factory Upgrade of LCD (Fahrenheit Temp, US Miles),
. . . . . . Fiberoptic LED Backlight, Latest Firmware . . . . . $ 315.00 . $ 315.00
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1494.00
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| Subject: | XL FUselage, Gear, Controls and Wing For Sale |
Please feel free to check out my kit that I am considering the sale of on BARNSTORMERS.com
just search Zodiac XL and my kit will come up, all of this discussion
in this group has really started to wear on me to the point that it hasn't
been fun the past month or so, and that is why I started. I am concerned, but
maybe too concerned. AS A GOOD FAITH MEASURE TOWARD THE GROUP if I sell to
a member on this list I will contribute to Terry Phillips analysis fund in the
amount of $300 so that whomever gets the kit can be involved and receive findings
of the report. This decision is very tough to make, as I feel that this
kit is a part of me.... Feel free to contact me via e-mail of phone to discuss
further if you wish. I am located in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex for those
who might wish to take a look at the workmanship. Please view the ad for
details. Upon request I can send more photos.
Thanks to all
--------
One Rivet at a Time!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182296#182296
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| Subject: | Re: XL FUselage, Gear, Controls and Wing For Sale |
This is to all you guys that are engaged in this idiotic XL wild goose chase:
This was a dream project for Mike and YOU have taken it away. I hope you are
all proud of your efforts. This loss is the direct result of your bulls*it.
No telling how many others have done the same, or just quit.
There is an old urban legend that has an NFL pro say "We each are given a
finite number of heartbeats, and those guys down in the workout room ane just
wastin' heartbeats." I believe my computer came with a finite number of DELs and
I have sure wasted a lot of DELs on your inane posts. Your efforts are
nothing but an evil Witch Hunt and I, and many others on this forum, just don't
have time for a Witch Hunt.
You have created a monster and I, for one, do not appreciated it at all. Why
don't you get Dralle to create a forum (suggest "601WH") just for your palaver
and leave the rest of us Zenith builders, supporters and fliers alone?
No, I am not sorry for the rant, but if I have offended any of my friends, I
apologize.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: How many Gs are these maneuvers? |
Loops can be done in the 3g - 4g range. The Decathlon I flew liked
3.5g. Any more I would run out of airspeed. It depends on the pilot,
aircraft and how aggressively flown.
Ken Lilja
do not archive
Sabrina wrote:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlpLeVvep7k&feature=related
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8GcFqTpYM
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182045#182045
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| Subject: | Re: XL FUselage, Gear, Controls and Wing For Sale |
Yes Jay, don't hold it, let it out, that's when the healing begins.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: This is to all you guys that are engaged in this idiotic
XL wild goose chase:
This was a dream project for Mike and YOU have taken it away. I hope you are all
proud of your efforts. This loss is the direct result of your bulls*it. No
telling how many others have done the same, or just quit.
There is an old urban legend that has an NFL pro say "We each are given a finite
number of heartbeats, and those guys down in the workout room ane just wastin'
heartbeats." I believe my computer came with a finite number of DELs and I
have sure wasted a lot of DELs on your inane posts. Your efforts are nothing
but an evil Witch Hunt and I, and many others on this forum, just don't have
time for a Witch Hunt.
You have created a monster and I, for one, do not appreciated it at all. Why don't
you get Dralle to create a forum (suggest "601WH") just for your palaver
and leave the rest of us Zenith builders, supporters and fliers alone?
No, I am not sorry for the rant, but if I have offended any of my friends, I apologize.
Jay in Dallas
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