---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/17/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:30 AM - Re: White lettering on Panel (Gary Ray) 2. 04:48 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 05/16/08 (Yak52@aol.com) 3. 04:50 AM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Yak52@aol.com) 4. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: now back to XL building (Jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: White lettering on Panel (Jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 01:04 PM - General shop-type question (Bill Naumuk) 7. 02:41 PM - Re: General shop-type question (Thruster87) 8. 03:13 PM - Re: General shop-type question (Ron Lendon) 9. 03:48 PM - Re: General shop-type question (George Race) 10. 05:31 PM - Re: General shop-type question (Aerolitellc@aol.com) 11. 06:27 PM - 601 Canopy sealant (leinad) 12. 06:41 PM - Shop Question (Bill Naumuk) 13. 09:42 PM - Re: 601 Canopy sealant (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:40 AM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: White lettering on Panel Jay in Dallas CH 601XL N2630J "lil Bruiser" With reference to your 5-16-08 post: You have a very attractive instrument panel. How did you do the White lettering? Gary Ray 601XL, 73 HrTT, WW Corvair davgray@sbcglobal.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:00 AM PST US From: Yak52@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 05/16/08 Working from a good set of plans helps resolve the dilemma. The designer will have already investigated and eliminated the problem in the construction and subsequent flight test evaluations of the prototype " While you are pondering this statement from the EAA article, and the further statement that many airplanes do not have balanced control surfaces- please also consider how you are going to evaluate the torsional effects of placing these weights on one end of the aileron- i.e. the twist that will be placed on the aileron at speed; and whether or not the end ribs in the aileron will withstand those stresses as they were clearly not designed to handle either or both of them in this airpalne. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:48 AM PST US From: Yak52@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron balance Working from a good set of plans helps resolve the dilemma. The designer will have already investigated and eliminated the problem in the construction and subsequent flight test evaluations of the prototype " While you are pondering this statement from the EAA article, and the further statement that many airplanes do not have balanced control surfaces- please also consider how you are going to evaluate the torsional effects of placing these weights on one end of the aileron- i.e. the twist that will be placed on the aileron at speed; and whether or not the end ribs in the aileron will withstand those stresses as they were clearly not designed to handle either or both of them in this airpalne. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:31 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: now back to XL building Chris, I have attached two pdfs that can be put together to form a full size pattern of what I built. For scaling, the "match line" must be exactly 10" long. Let me know if you have questions. Jay in Dallas "chris Sinfield" wrote: > >I was planning to just extend it as per the photo , but if anyone has the measurements or drawing it would sure make life easier. >Chris > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183505#183505 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:08 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: White lettering on Panel Gary, I used a Brother P-Touch gizmo with a 3/4" wide tape that has white lettering on a clear background. Jay in Dallas "Gary Ray" wrote: > >Jay in Dallas CH 601XL N2630J "lil Bruiser" > > With reference to your 5-16-08 post: > You have a very attractive instrument panel. How did you do the White >lettering? > >Gary Ray 601XL, 73 HrTT, WW Corvair >davgray@sbcglobal.net > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:56 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: General shop-type question All- Bought a polishing wheel and want to clean the light rust off of something. Do I wire-wheel the piece first, or does that make it harder later on? Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Fuse/Corvair ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: General shop-type question From: "Thruster87" Howdy, If the item you wish to remove corrosion from is Aluminum don't use a wire wheel as it can leave small pieces of iron impregnated in the job and it can also cover and hide existing corrosion.Emery mops ,grit blasting and scraping are the mainstay for surface corrosion.Rust is another matter as it's steel based.Cheers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183569#183569 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:25 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: General shop-type question From: "Ron Lendon" Bill, Polishing requires much surface preparation matters not whether aluminum or steel. Your mention of rust makes me think you are talking about steel. If you really want to polish you will sand, wet or otherwise, from 600 grit to about 1500 grit before polishing. Of course if your part is rougher that 600 grit to begin with, a coarser grit will be appropriate to get it smooth before you begin the polishing process. Hope that gives you some help. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183571#183571 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:31 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: General shop-type question Hi Bill: I think you will find you get better results by using a "Green Scotch Pad" instead of a wire wheel. The wire wheel will leave scratches and groves that will be more difficult to polish out. George - 701 - N73EX _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Zenith-List: General shop-type question All- Bought a polishing wheel and want to clean the light rust off of something. Do I wire-wheel the piece first, or does that make it harder later on? Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Fuse/Corvair ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:21 PM PST US From: Aerolitellc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: General shop-type question O no here we go with the scotch pad discussion again...... :( In a message dated 5/17/2008 6:49:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mykitairplane@mrrace.com writes: Hi Bill: I think you will find you get better results by using a "Green Scotch Pad" instead of a wire wheel. The wire wheel will leave scratches and groves that will be more difficult to polish out. George - 701 - N73EX **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy sealant From: "leinad" Neither the plans or the photo guides talk about sealing the canopy where it goes under the front and side flashing. It seams like a lot of water would find its way into the canopy frame in a rain if it's put together dry. Is anyone sealing it with something. If so what material? Dan Dempsey plans building 601XL with Corvair -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183598#183598 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:41 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Shop Question All- It's steel. Using the best of everyones input, I'll try wire wheeling and then wet sanding. Scotchbrite might work, but I don't have any on hand. I'm colorblind as hell. It wouldn't matter what Scotchbrite I didn't have. Used to be excluded from night flight until they relaxed the medical requirements. Not that I really care- I might have logged 2 hrs night time in 20 years. Do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Systems/Corvair 90% ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:20 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Canopy sealant I put some thin rubber strips between the plexiglas and the side flashing. I believe it was storm door window weather strip, something I had laying around the garage. I used 3M automotive foam trim tape between the front flashing and the plexiglas. Just take a good look at any place where water can get in the plane and use whatever is suitable to either keep the water out or to channel it away from the interior of the plane. On May 17, 2008, at 9:24 PM, leinad wrote: > > Neither the plans or the photo guides talk about sealing the canopy > where it goes under the front and side flashing. It seams like a > lot of water would find its way into the canopy frame in a rain if > it's put together dry. Is anyone sealing it with something. If so > what material? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.