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1. 06:27 AM - Re: Re:memory versus tape (Grant Corriveau)
2. 06:56 AM - Re: Re:memory versus tape (Gary Ray)
3. 07:22 AM - Re: Re:memory versus tape (Bryan Martin)
4. 08:37 AM - Memory vs. Tape (Robert Schoenberger)
5. 09:53 AM - Re: memory versus tape (Tim Juhl)
6. 10:51 AM - taxi instructions (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
7. 01:55 PM - Re: memory versus tape (haven)
8. 03:32 PM - Re: memory versus tape (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: re:memory versus tape |
The only way I've found for dealing with this is to memorize the
standard routes that would be offered at my regular airports. With
each airport there are only a few specific taxi routes that can be
used. I'm a visual learner, so I memorized them using the ground
movement chart and keep this in front of me while receiving the
clearance so I can follow the route with my eyes as it's being called
out to me on the radio. After my readback, I also then jot it down
on paper, but I don't try to write it down while it was being read to
me - that apparently requires more channels than my old "8-track"
brain can deal with.
Of course this only works for airports that I'm familiar with.
Simple airports are easy to review just before calling ATC, and at
more complex, unfamiliar airports, the "po Alabama farmer' gig works
best - substitute States and Occupations as required for desired
effect ;-)
regards
Grant
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| Subject: | Re: re:memory versus tape |
Include the word 'Unfamiliar' in your contact and they will slow it down and
be more helpful.
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| Subject: | Re: re:memory versus tape |
If all else fails, you can ask for a progressive taxi and get turn by
turn directions.
On May 25, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Gary Ray wrote:
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> Include the word 'Unfamiliar' in your contact and they will slow it
> down and
> be more helpful.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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There is the story about a pilot who was having trouble with the speed
of the controller's instructions. He taped the instructions and
replayed the tape. The controller then asked HIM to read back slower as
he couldn't understand the "readback". Robert Schoenberger 701
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| Subject: | Re: memory versus tape |
Recording is OK for later review and practice but you want to make sure you understand
the clearance before you move the airplane. Just say something like "That
was a little too fast for me... please repeat again, slower."
They'll get the point.... the other thing is, the more you talk to ATC the quicker
you'll pick it up. In all actuality, most clearances, instructions and the
like are given in a set format. If you know what is coming next it is a little
easier to catch it the first time around.
Also, as one poster said, ATC is there to serve you, not the other way around.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
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| Subject: | taxi instructions |
DO NOT ARCHIVE
when i am at a large or unfamiliar airport i ask for PROGRESSIVE taxi instructions
after informing the ground controller that i am not familiar with the field
. they will then give you clearance to the next taxi way and you hold until
calling again. usually they will get back to you before you have to stop and
tell you which way to turn at the next intersection.
hope this helps.
N131BP
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: memory versus tape |
Sometimes it also helps to have a printout of the airport diagram. You can get
them on the aopa web site, and I am sure many others.
J
Do not archive
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| Subject: | memory versus tape |
PS Engineering's PM3000 intercom offers this optional feature:
"An optional digital recorder can provide up to one minute of storage of
radio receptions. A continuous loop recorder, it does not record "dead air
time", giving the pilots an option to store up to 16 messages at any one
time."
http://www.ps-engineering.com/pm3000.shtml
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: memory versus tape
Hi Guys,
I'm wondering if anyone has plugged in a small voice recorder for ATC
communications. The latest requirements have ATC providing total taxi
instructions. That guidance has the tower rapidly describing a 7-point
guidance that used to be 2 or 3-points. It's always been required to do
a read-back to ATC in its entirety. Every ATC controller has his own
creatively unique delivery that also complicates the pickup and
read-back. Has anyone found a better way of dealing with this excessive
mental-bandwidth aside from just more practice or a tape recorder?
We need a better idea here,,,,,,,,,,,,
Thanks,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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