---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/25/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:27 AM - Re: Re:memory versus tape (Grant Corriveau) 2. 06:56 AM - Re: Re:memory versus tape (Gary Ray) 3. 07:22 AM - Re: Re:memory versus tape (Bryan Martin) 4. 08:37 AM - Memory vs. Tape (Robert Schoenberger) 5. 09:53 AM - Re: memory versus tape (Tim Juhl) 6. 10:51 AM - taxi instructions (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 7. 01:55 PM - Re: memory versus tape (haven) 8. 03:32 PM - Re: memory versus tape (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:50 AM PST US From: Grant Corriveau Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re:memory versus tape The only way I've found for dealing with this is to memorize the standard routes that would be offered at my regular airports. With each airport there are only a few specific taxi routes that can be used. I'm a visual learner, so I memorized them using the ground movement chart and keep this in front of me while receiving the clearance so I can follow the route with my eyes as it's being called out to me on the radio. After my readback, I also then jot it down on paper, but I don't try to write it down while it was being read to me - that apparently requires more channels than my old "8-track" brain can deal with. Of course this only works for airports that I'm familiar with. Simple airports are easy to review just before calling ATC, and at more complex, unfamiliar airports, the "po Alabama farmer' gig works best - substitute States and Occupations as required for desired effect ;-) regards Grant ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:28 AM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re:memory versus tape Include the word 'Unfamiliar' in your contact and they will slow it down and be more helpful. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:19 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re:memory versus tape If all else fails, you can ask for a progressive taxi and get turn by turn directions. On May 25, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Gary Ray wrote: > > Include the word 'Unfamiliar' in your contact and they will slow it > down and > be more helpful. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:19 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Zenith-List: Memory vs. Tape There is the story about a pilot who was having trouble with the speed of the controller's instructions. He taped the instructions and replayed the tape. The controller then asked HIM to read back slower as he couldn't understand the "readback". Robert Schoenberger 701 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: memory versus tape From: "Tim Juhl" Recording is OK for later review and practice but you want to make sure you understand the clearance before you move the airplane. Just say something like "That was a little too fast for me... please repeat again, slower." They'll get the point.... the other thing is, the more you talk to ATC the quicker you'll pick it up. In all actuality, most clearances, instructions and the like are given in a set format. If you know what is coming next it is a little easier to catch it the first time around. Also, as one poster said, ATC is there to serve you, not the other way around. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184759#184759 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:01 AM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: taxi instructions DO NOT ARCHIVE when i am at a large or unfamiliar airport i ask for PROGRESSIVE taxi instructions after informing the ground controller that i am not familiar with the field . they will then give you clearance to the next taxi way and you hold until calling again. usually they will get back to you before you have to stop and tell you which way to turn at the next intersection. hope this helps. N131BP 601 XL ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: memory versus tape From: "haven" Sometimes it also helps to have a printout of the airport diagram. You can get them on the aopa web site, and I am sure many others. J Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184772#184772 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:57 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: memory versus tape PS Engineering's PM3000 intercom offers this optional feature: "An optional digital recorder can provide up to one minute of storage of radio receptions. A continuous loop recorder, it does not record "dead air time", giving the pilots an option to store up to 16 messages at any one time." http://www.ps-engineering.com/pm3000.shtml -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: Zenith-List: memory versus tape Hi Guys, I'm wondering if anyone has plugged in a small voice recorder for ATC communications. The latest requirements have ATC providing total taxi instructions. That guidance has the tower rapidly describing a 7-point guidance that used to be 2 or 3-points. It's always been required to do a read-back to ATC in its entirety. Every ATC controller has his own creatively unique delivery that also complicates the pickup and read-back. Has anyone found a better way of dealing with this excessive mental-bandwidth aside from just more practice or a tape recorder? We need a better idea here,,,,,,,,,,,, Thanks, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.