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1. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Who sell battery contactors (Clive Richards)
2. 10:32 AM - XL down - France (Iberplanes IGL)
3. 11:39 AM - Re: XL down - France (Aerolitellc@aol.com)
4. 12:36 PM - Re: XL down - France (greg olson)
5. 12:47 PM - Re: XL down - France (Gig Giacona)
6. 01:13 PM - Re: XL down - France (sanyu)
7. 01:35 PM - Re: XL down - France (steve)
8. 01:40 PM - Re: XL down - France (William Dominguez)
9. 01:56 PM - Re: XL down - France (Dave G.)
10. 02:08 PM - Re: XL down - France (Gig Giacona)
11. 02:32 PM - Re: XL down - France (swater6)
12. 04:47 PM - Re: XL "Clone" down - France (Gary Gower)
13. 04:57 PM - Re: XL down - France (Gig Giacona)
14. 05:56 PM - Re: XL "Clone" down - France (Dave G.)
15. 07:05 PM - Re: XL "Clone" down - France (Dino Bortolin)
16. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: XL down - France (William Dominguez)
17. 09:21 PM - Re: a Polish 601 (PatrickW)
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| Subject: | Re: Who sell battery contactors |
Geoff
Another possibility to consider as I assume your battery is firewall
forward is a manualy operated Battery Cut Off Switch with an extension shaft
I beleive they are available with an auxiliary contact to switch the
generator as the continiously energised master switches solenoid operated
type take about 1 Amp.
I will be looking into this in the future as Ray has a 701 kit on order
I beleive cat MW002 available from www.deamon-tweekes.co.uk in UK will
suffice
Clive do not archive
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From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:09 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who sell battery contactors
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> This is a 701 by the way.
> I'm going to have a simple system with an endurance bus, Capacitor, single
> battery, that?Ts about it.
> I have a Rotax 80hp/Dynon D180/Garmin 296/Icom AC-A210/Dual controls.
> .......Geoff
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| Subject: | XL down - France |
Hello friends,
I=B4ve posted a recent accident involving an XL 601 in france. Please check
the ZBAG on yahoo. The pilot saved his life thanks to the BRS System.
http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2007/85-k070707/pdf/85-k070707.pdf
Take care.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
_http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2007/85-k070707/pdf/85-k070707.pdf_
(http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2007/85-k070707/pdf/85-k070707.pdf)
Hopefully someone else can translate this better but it sounds like the
pilot was at 3,000 feet @ 112 MPH and began a decent @ 120 mph and the pilot
heard a thud then a snap under his feet then he sees the left wing retreat. He
then started to bank and roll and he deployed the BRS chute.
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
Uh Oh.......Is this another wing failure?=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message
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=0A-=0AHopefully someone else can translate this better but it sounds lik
e the pilot was at 3,000 feet @ 112 MPH and began a decent @ 120 mph and th
e pilot heard a thud then a snap under his feet then he sees the left wing
retreat.-He then started to bank and roll and he deployed the BRS chute.
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
And he reset is G-meter for some reason so we will never know how many G's he actually
pulled. I found that very strange.
It should also be noted that the Aircraft was Polish built copy of the 601. Built
by a company that had no ties Zenith or Zenair.
Looking at the photo I see 5 tubes coming out of the wing. 4 in front of the main
spar and 1 black one behind the spar.
I assume that the 2 silver (aluminum?) tubes are for two fuel tanks in the wing.
I would have to think the 2 blue ones are for the pitot/static system. But what
are they doing forward of the main spar?
And what is the black tube for?
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
yes you are wricht but it is alsoo specified the plane was a copie of
the 601
the pilot has buy it in polen and the manufacter is a copier and whit
not relations whit chris heinz
johnny decorte ch701 1500 hr flicht
p^s sorry for my englisch hoping you understand it
http://www.lafermeaquatique.com
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From: Aerolitellc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; zenith601-list@matronics.com ;
corvaircraft@mylist.net
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL down - France
http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2007/85-k070707/pdf/85-k070707.pdf
Hopefully someone else can translate this better but it sounds like
the pilot was at 3,000 feet @ 112 MPH and began a decent @ 120 mph and
the pilot heard a thud then a snap under his feet then he sees the left
wing retreat. He then started to bank and roll and he deployed the BRS
chute.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
This is a one year old accident report....
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From: sanyu
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL down - France
yes you are wricht but it is alsoo specified the plane was a copie of
the 601
the pilot has buy it in polen and the manufacter is a copier and whit
not relations whit chris heinz
johnny decorte ch701 1500 hr flicht
p^s sorry for my englisch hoping you understand it
http://www.lafermeaquatique.com
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From: Aerolitellc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; zenith601-list@matronics.com ;
corvaircraft@mylist.net
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL down - France
http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2007/85-k070707/pdf/85-k070707.pdf
Hopefully someone else can translate this better but it sounds like
the pilot was at 3,000 feet @ 112 MPH and began a decent @ 120 mph and
the pilot heard a thud then a snap under his feet then he sees the left
wing retreat. He then started to bank and roll and he deployed the BRS
chute.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
Unfortunately yes. Fortunately, the pilot survived. So far, it appears that this
one was the result of over stressing the airframe. The report mentions something
about the pilot having a habit of puling hard Gs.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
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golson wrote:
> Uh Oh.......Is this another wing failure?
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
I doubt the G reading would have been much use anyway. The shock of the
inflating chute would likely be fairly high. It will be nice that this
airframe can be examined.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL down - France
>
> And he reset is G-meter for some reason so we will never know how many G's
> he actually pulled. I found that very strange.
>
> It should also be noted that the Aircraft was Polish built copy of the
> 601. Built by a company that had no ties Zenith or Zenair.
>
> Looking at the photo I see 5 tubes coming out of the wing. 4 in front of
> the main spar and 1 black one behind the spar.
>
> I assume that the 2 silver (aluminum?) tubes are for two fuel tanks in the
> wing. I would have to think the 2 blue ones are for the pitot/static
> system. But what are they doing forward of the main spar?
>
> And what is the black tube for?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185415#185415
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
I still find it strange that he would reset it.
As far as examining it. Doubtful. It happened almost a year ago.
d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico wrote:
> I doubt the G reading would have been much use anyway. The shock of the
> inflating chute would likely be fairly high. It will be nice that this
> airframe can be examined.
>
> ---
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
Gig,
The photo is of the wing from the front. Note the black wing walk tape. The black
hose is the standard fuel line in the nose rib. The others are static, pitot
and two electrical. Likely trim and lights.
Also, I've heard on the other posts about a "Polish copy" but this is a translation
issue regarding the word "copy". Like copy of a magazine, meaning one of
many. Google translates the French word to "multiple".
I'm not sure we know where this kit came from, maybe someone doesn't know the difference
between Poland and the Czech Republic.
Either way, the wing broke. Looks like how the NTSB described the Modesto wing.
S shaped and unzipped rivets on the spar.
Scott
Here is a google translation of the posted report:
Translation: French English
ACCIDENT
July 7, 2007 - ULM identified 85-PK
Event: in-flight failure of the half-left wing,
landing after use of parachute
Relief.
Cause identified: carrying out manoeuvres beyond the
structural strength of the wing.
Consequences and damage: aircraft destroyed.
Aircraft: ULM 601XL, multiple similar to Zenair
CH 601 XL, amateur-built from
a kit.
Date / Time: Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 20 h 30.
Operator: private.
Location: Saint-Fulgent (85).
Nature of flight: local.
People on board: pilot + 1.
Qualifications and experience: Pilot, 29 years, UL multiple of May 2007,
50-hour flight with about 20 on type.
Weather: estimated on the landing site:
wind 170 / 8 to 10 kt, CAVOK, temperature
18 C, QNH 1019 hPa.
Circumstance s
The pilot took off with a passenger airfield Montaigu (85) for a
observation flight from aerial photographs.
The pilot explained that at an altitude of 3 000 feet at a speed of about
180 km / h, it goes downhill. As the speed increases to
200 km / h, he heard a thud and then a snap under his feet. It draws
on the stick and saw the left wing to retreat to touch the glass. He
believes he has moved the handle about one third of the race maximum.
The ULM part in rotation continues to roll. At the time he spends again
to the horizontal, the pilot activated the emergency parachute. The descent takes
about one minute and ULM touches the ground with a small vertical speed.
Examination of the wreckage shows that the root of the left wing half-east
distorted and that the spar broke in an effort static bending
up.
Publication
February 2008
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601 XL kit N596SW reserved
Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: XL "Clone" down - France |
Yes, but most important, was not a Zenithair airplane at all... Was a Copy-Clone,
so there is no control over the materials used.... This company just makes
"his" kits, nothing to do with Zenith aircraft Co..
Gary Gower
Aerolitellc@aol.com wrote:
http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2007/85-k070707/pdf/85-k070707.pdf
Hopefully someone else can translate this better but it sounds like the pilot
was at 3,000 feet @ 112 MPH and began a decent @ 120 mph and the pilot heard
a thud then a snap under his feet then he sees the left wing retreat. He then
started to bank and roll and he deployed the BRS chute.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
I looked at that tape and for some reason ignored it.
swater6 wrote:
> Gig,
> The photo is of the wing from the front. Note the black wing walk tape. The
black hose is the standard fuel line in the nose rib. The others are static, pitot
and two electrical. Likely trim and lights.
>
>
> Either way, the wing broke. Looks like how the NTSB described the Modesto wing.
S shaped and unzipped rivets on the spar.
>
> Scott
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: XL "Clone" down - France |
I think someone else already pointed out that it was/is a Zenith and the
"clone" idea was a mis-translation. Not sure why that would be "most
important" as there is no material control over plans built either. I
would think that most important to everyone would be finding out if
there's a problem and then correcting it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL "Clone" down - France
Yes, but most important, was not a Zenithair airplane at all... Was a
Copy-Clone, so there is no control over the materials used.... This
company just makes "his" kits, nothing to do with Zenith aircraft Co..
Gary Gower
Aerolitellc@aol.com wrote:
http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2007/85-k070707/pdf/85-k070707.pdf
Hopefully someone else can translate this better but it sounds like
the pilot was at 3,000 feet @ 112 MPH and began a decent @ 120 mph and
the pilot heard a thud then a snap under his feet then he sees the left
wing retreat. He then
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| Subject: | Re: XL "Clone" down - France |
The text clearly says that the aircraft was a clone.
"...Le kit utilis par le constructeur est vendu par un fabricant polonais sans
relation avec Zenair. La documentation de Zenair et celle fournie par le fabricant
du kit..."
This means - "The kit used by the builder is sold by a Polish manufacturer with
no relationship to Zenair. The Zenair documentation and that furnished by the
manufacturer of the kit..."
Dino Bortolin
On 5/29/08, Dave G. <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I think someone else already pointed out that it was/is a Zenith and the
> "clone" idea was a mis-translation. Not sure why that would be "most
> important" as there is no material control over plans built either. I would
> think that most important to everyone would be finding out if there's a
> problem and then correcting it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Gower
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL "Clone" down - France
>
>
> Yes, but most important, was not a Zenithair airplane at all... Was a
> Copy-Clone, so there is no control over the materials used.... This
> company just makes "his" kits, nothing to do with Zenith aircraft Co..
>
> Gary Gower
>
>
> Aerolitellc@aol.com wrote:
> http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2007/85-k070707/pdf/85-k070707.pdf
>
> Hopefully someone else can translate this better but it sounds like the
> pilot was at 3,000 feet @ 112 MPH and began a decent @ 120 mph and the pilot
> heard a thud then a snap under his feet then he sees the left wing retreat.
> He then
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL down - France |
Suspicious isn't it. Lets keep in mind that the cause of this accident was identified
as "realization of a maneuver exceeding structural resistance of the aircraft".
This report seems to be a final one since the cause of the accident is
included.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
I still find it strange that he would reset it.
As far as examining it. Doubtful. It happened almost a year ago.
d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico wrote:
> I doubt the G reading would have been much use anyway. The shock of the
> inflating chute would likely be fairly high. It will be nice that this
> airframe can be examined.
>
> ---
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185430#185430
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| Subject: | Re: a Polish 601 |
Interesting...
I wonder how many outfits in Poland are building 601's.
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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