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1. 06:07 AM - Re: Censorship, split lists, "bad-mouthing competitors", etc. - (kmccune)
2. 06:12 AM - Re: Cabin Pressure Test (kmccune)
3. 08:17 AM - Building Spars (Ron Lalonde)
4. 08:50 AM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (T. Graziano)
5. 08:52 AM - Re: Building Spars (wscribb)
6. 09:28 AM - Re: Building Spars (Carlos Sa)
7. 10:15 AM - Re: Building Spars (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
8. 10:25 AM - Re: Building Spars (Debo Cox)
9. 11:08 AM - Re: Building Spars (Herb Heaton)
10. 11:13 AM - Re: Building Spars (TxDave)
11. 11:27 AM - Re: Building Spars (ROBERT SCEPPA)
12. 11:44 AM - Facts (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
13. 12:11 PM - Re: Facts (Craig Payne)
14. 12:49 PM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (Edward Moody II)
15. 12:58 PM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (MaxNr@aol.com)
16. 01:05 PM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (ronlee)
17. 01:09 PM - Re: Building Spars (Ron Lendon)
18. 01:46 PM - BRS straps (Darrell Haas)
19. 02:11 PM - Re: Building Spars (LarryMcFarland)
20. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Carpet hold-downs? (Paul Mulwitz)
21. 02:39 PM - Re: Building Spars (kmccune)
22. 03:14 PM - Drill Bits (LHusky@aol.com)
23. 03:27 PM - Re: Censorship, split lists, "bad mouthing competitors", (MaxNr@aol.com)
24. 03:34 PM - Re: Drill Bits (Ashcraft, Keith - AES)
25. 03:37 PM - Re: Drill Bits (Paul Mulwitz)
26. 03:50 PM - Re: Drill Bits (JohnDRead@aol.com)
27. 04:15 PM - Re: Drill Bits (Larry Hursh)
28. 04:51 PM - Re: Drill Bits (Dan)
29. 05:09 PM - Re: Drill Bits (Jaybannist@cs.com)
30. 05:25 PM - Re: BRS straps (PatrickW)
31. 05:35 PM - Re: BRS straps (Craig Payne)
32. 05:39 PM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (PatrickW)
33. 06:02 PM - Re: Check Ride !!! (leinad)
34. 06:02 PM - Re: Drill Bits (Bryan Martin)
35. 06:21 PM - Re: Check Ride !!! (kmccune)
36. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Check Ride !!! (LHusky@aol.com)
37. 07:41 PM - Re: Drill Bits (SABorns@aol.com)
38. 07:44 PM - Headset Question (LHusky@aol.com)
39. 07:57 PM - Re: Headset Question (steve)
40. 08:03 PM - Re: Headset Question (LHusky@aol.com)
41. 08:18 PM - Re: Headset Question (steve)
42. 08:20 PM - Re: Headset Question (Craig Payne)
43. 08:20 PM - Re: Headset Question (Gig Giacona)
44. 08:28 PM - Re: Headset Question (Bruce Johnson)
45. 08:34 PM - Re: Headset Question (Ronald Steele)
46. 08:46 PM - Re: Headset Question (Cndmovn)
47. 09:15 PM - Re: Headset Question (LHusky@aol.com)
48. 09:32 PM - Re: Headset Question (Cndmovn)
49. 10:19 PM - Re: Headset Question (Bruce Johnson)
50. 11:05 PM - Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
51. 11:07 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Censorship, split lists, "bad-mouthing competitors", |
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That hit the nail square on the head :D
Kevin
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Pressure Test |
Now thats funny, right there!
Kevin
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jetboy wrote:
> In my CH701 I can go from 63 kts IAS to 70 Kts IAS by pulling the line on my
external static port. when a passenger complains it goes too slow thats what I
do
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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How many of you scratch builders have actually built your spars? Have
heard that many buy the spars for their project.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet hold-downs? |
Dr Elliott:For what it's worth.I also used the light weight Wal-Mart
auto trunk carpet in my XL baggage area. I did not use anything to hold
it down and have had no problems.My baggage floor is zinc chromate
primed .Tony GrazianoXL/Jab; N493TG; 382 hours of fun flying in my
XL-----------------Carpet hold-downs? From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
(a.s.elliott@cox.net) Date: Sat May 31 - 11:18 AM Gang:
I am ready to install the carpeting in the baggage compartment of my
601XL. It is cut and trimmed to fit, but I am unsure of the best way to
keep it in place. Options I have thought of are:
[1] spray glue
[2] 2-sided carpet tape
[3] plastic rivets (like in cars)
[4] screws and fender washers
I would be interested in hearing opinions and other ideas. Note that I
am using the very light "replacement" carpeting from Wal-Mart Aviation
Supply, and I expect that it will need replacing every few years.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair (very close now!), building...
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Ron,
I built the spars for my 601XL project.
Bill Cribb
601XL/Corvair both scratch built
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lalonde
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:14 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Building Spars
How many of you scratch builders have actually built your spars? Have heard
that many buy the spars for their project.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
I did (CH601-HD), with the help of an RV builder, who had all the equipment
to set solid rivets - not to mention the experience.
Carlos
Montreal, Canada
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2008/6/1 Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@hotmail.com>:
> How many of you scratch builders have actually built your spars? Have
> heard that many buy the spars for their project.
>
> Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
Not sure this is what you want but i builded my spar for a 601HD. Understand
it is not lke a 601XL. Note this is about building not bad mouthing, flying,
impressing others ect. BIG SMILE :-) Jerry of Ga. DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
I built mine. You can check out the whole process at: www.mykitlog.com/debo
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
Built mine a couple of years ago. Pictures are in the archives
somewhere.
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Herb Heaton
Almost finished, 90% to go
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From: Ron Lalonde<mailto:rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:14 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Building Spars
How many of you scratch builders have actually built your spars? Have
heard that many buy the spars for their project.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
I think quite a few folks on this list have built their spars. It's fairly time
consuming, but not extremely difficult.
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
> I built my spars from scratch, but when I ordered the .025 spar web, I
> was surprised that they cut it exactly 209mm. That saved me a lot of
> trimming. I managed to get the three sheets required for the ribs and the
> spar webs plus a few extra pieces cut small enough to get it into my
> station wagon. My spars are completely riveted and ready for ribs and
> skin. The spars were not that difficult to drill and rivet, at least I
> don't think so.. good luck Ron keep plugging.....Do not archive
--- On Sun, 6/1/08, Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> From: Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Building Spars
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 4:14 PM
> How many of you scratch builders have actually built your
> spars? Have heard that many buy the spars for their
> project.
>
> Ron
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guys
i am not trying to give anyone a bad rap BUT
here are some FACTS. quick build kits no. 30 & 31 had the aileron cable guides
installed upside down. at Sun & Fun 2007 we noticed that the QBK #60 (on display
)had the guides installed inverted as well. we told them about it and they
said it was NOT a big deal. one could ASSuMe that the first 60 plus kits had them
wrong. i tried to get the pictures and an article in the newsletter to warn
other builders but they would not print it. we did not notice the error until
we were rigging the aileron cables and heard the cable screeching on aluminum.
it would not take long for the cables to wear the aluminum to a point where
the tension would be very little to none. shortly after we made them aware the
guides were changed to round circles so it would not matter which way they were
installed.
the aileron hinge pins sent with Kit no. 087 were .011 smaller diameter than
the elevator. we had to lube and spin our hinge pins in with a drill motor. the
owner of kit 087 could push the hinge pin in with one finger. he sent them
back for replacement.
i have 65.2 hrs in my 601 XL QBK and flew it yesterday so i still have confidence
in the design. when parts are ordered and different suppliers are chosen either
by the builder or the kit supplier mistakes can be made. it is best to be
very vigilant of how the parts fit and the pedigree where they were made. the
ultimate responsibility rests on the builder.
N131BP
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Could you post the pictures here?
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobbyPaulk@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Facts
guys
i am not trying to give anyone a bad rap BUT
here are some FACTS. quick build kits no. 30 & 31 had the aileron cable
guides installed upside down. at Sun & Fun 2007 we noticed that the QBK #60
(on display )had the guides installed inverted as well. we told them about
it and they said it was NOT a big deal. one could ASSuMe that the first 60
plus kits had them wrong. i tried to get the pictures and an article in the
newsletter to warn other builders but they would not print it. we did not
notice the error until we were rigging the aileron cables and heard the
cable screeching on aluminum. it would not take long for the cables to wear
the aluminum to a point where the tension would be very little to none.
shortly after we made them aware the guides were changed to round circles so
it would not matter which way they were installed.
the aileron hinge pins sent with Kit no. 087 were .011 smaller diameter
than the elevator. we had to lube and spin our hinge pins in with a drill
motor. the owner of kit 087 could push the hinge pin in with one finger. he
sent them back for replacement.
i have 65.2 hrs in my 601 XL QBK and flew it yesterday so i still have
confidence in the design. when parts are ordered and different suppliers are
chosen either by the builder or the kit supplier mistakes can be made. it is
best to be very vigilant of how the parts fit and the pedigree where they
were made. the ultimate responsibility rests on the builder.
N131BP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet hold-downs? |
I have used velcro with glue which holds it in place while I rivet it
for permanent hold. On the fabric side, I suggest sewing it on. An
upholstery shop can do that if you can't do it yourself.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet hold-downs? |
I'm thinking something else. I had one pick up truck bed Rhino Lined and
another Line-Exed. I have to put a sheet of plywood in if I want to slide anything
in or out. Its non skid and lasts forever. Good color choices. I'm also
looking at wing walks too.
Somebody stop me if I'm off base.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet hold-downs? |
I live in the desert and my experience has been that stick on Velcro only sticks
for a while. The only way I've found to keep in on is to pop rivet it with big
head rivets. Even the good brand 3M came loose after awhile. My entire baggage
compartment and passenger area on my 701 is lined with auto trunk carpet that
is applied with 3M spray or Weldwood brush on contact cement. Two years in
the desert heat (110+ degrees) and sticking well. If you brush the Weldwood
on one side, press it to mating surface and pull it back a bit, enough wet cement
will transfer to the mating surface to form a bond. Keep it away from the
mating surface and let it dry for ten to fifteen minutes. Go back and then press
it firmly in place. You will have a permanent job that is quick and easy.
Ron Lee
Tucson, AZ
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Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
I built mine and hand hammered all the solid rivets in a 1 ton arbor press.
Views of the tools:
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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Anyone have pictures of how they covered up the straps on the outside of the
fuselage for the BRS
Thank you,
Darrell Haas
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
Hi Ron,
I built the spars for my 601HDS and found the process rather basic and
not too hard. I used a backing
block and 2-lb sledge for the first few, but finished it with an air
hammer and found air power to be much easier.
Bending is making a short sample, checking it and then going for the
finish piece.
I'm sure you could do it as well.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Ron Lalonde wrote:
> How many of you scratch builders have actually built your spars? Have
> heard that many buy the spars for their project.
>
> Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet hold-downs? |
Hi Bob,
My only question is how much will that coating weigh. It may use up
your baggage allowance and give you difficulties with weight &
balance if it is too heavy. That wouldn't be an issue in a truck bed.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 12:55 PM 6/1/2008, you wrote:
>I'm thinking something else. I had one pick up truck bed Rhino Lined
>and another Line-Exed. I have to put a sheet of plywood in if I want
>to slide anything in or out. Its non skid and lasts forever. Good
>color choices. I'm also looking at wing walks too.
>Somebody stop me if I'm off base.
>Bob
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building Spars |
I scratch built the tail section ( Daves brake worked well for this) and next is
the fuselage (trying to decide on the whole slat/VG thing, insurance guy will
ultimately decide, if I can get insurance for a VG wing thats what I'll build)
But I plan on buying the spar and all the welded parts. Mostly because of the time
it would take. The process looks involved but not difficult?
So you can call me a partial scratch builder! :D
Kevin
CH 701
SN7172
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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Well, I have moved since my last building session and cannot seem to find
any 20 or 30 drill bits. Is there a US size will work? If not, where do you
buy them? I ordered mine from Zenith, but surely there is other places,
hopefully local.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Censorship, split lists, "bad mouthing competitors", |
I chose the 601XL carefully. I plan to use it for cross country travel, Young
Eagles and my grand kids want to learn to fly in it. I have plans 5936 and
reserved N111DZ. I first learned of some 601XL accidents on this list. I accept
that they will happen. I stripped out fuel and weather related causes from the
data. I see that some happened in cruise flight and have not yet been
explained. This is the reason that I have paused my project. The lively discussions
here have given me new insight and caused me to do a lot of reading. I had
expected the FAA to issue an AD by now or for Zenith to make some finding. I got
the March letter on elevator stops.
I will be having coffee next week with a friend of a friend who is an
aerospace engineer. I will bring the plans, photos and NTSB reports. I am not without
ideas of my own here. I will discuss three simple upgrades to my project. I
had four ideas, but I determined that number four won't help much. My ideas are
simple established aeronautical practices that date back to the 1930s. Last
week I took a picture of one of those ideas at an air show. It was on a USAF
A-10 fighter. I am purposely vague because this forum is getting cut throat and
no longer fertile ground. Anyone may contact me off list for details. You may
also delete this post now if you are hurt.
This is the second builders group that I have been a member of. In the 1960s
we communicated by newsletter. In 1968, there were a couple of fatalities
caused by in flight structural failure. Even the designer was sued by an electric
company because the accident plane cut a power line. In November, 68, another
in-flight failure happened. This time the pilot landed safely. That airframe
was examined by the designer. We builders received new drawings with the
changes and they are dated Feb 28, 1969. Three months. Contact me for details.
That
design has since been dependable and safe for four decades now. If you wish,
call this "A tale of two builders groups" with apologies to Dickens.
I have been flying since 1956 with experience in personal, military and
commercial aviation. I survived two in flight structural failures over the years.
My Karma is not strong enough for a third. I may be contacted for details. This
is the main reason that I think that any censorship is a bad thing. Answers
must be found.
Thanks to the builders on this list, I expect to resume "tin knocking" soon.
I am a strong supporter of the design.
Bob Dingley
Pace, FL
601XL/ Lyc Do not archive
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Larry,
Here is where I get my drill bits and clecos.
cokid.com
No only because he is local to me, but has good fast service.
Good luck,
Keith
CH701 -- scratch (just about down with rear fuselage)
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Sun 6/1/2008 4:11 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Drill Bits
Well, I have moved since my last building session and cannot seem to find
any 20 or 30 drill bits. Is there a US size will work? If not, where do
you
buy them? I ordered mine from Zenith, but surely there is other places,
hopefully local.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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Hi Larry,
Getting drill bits is relatively easy. If you want the screw in type
common in aircraft use then Aircraft Spruce is a great choice. (If
you aren't using them, then you might consider starting.)
For any other kind of drill bit or cutting tool I recommend MSC
supply. The big problem with ordering bits there is there are too
many choices. You might start with high speed steel and jobber length.
try http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000056868590
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
P.S. If you want me to pick a couple of specific parts just let me
know what sizes you want and I will find some part numbers for
you. Just send me a direct email.
At 03:11 PM 6/1/2008, you wrote:
>Well, I have moved since my last building session and cannot seem to
>find any 20 or 30 drill bits. Is there a US size will work? If
>not, where do you buy them? I ordered mine from Zenith, but surely
>there is other places, hopefully local.
>
>Larry Husky
>Madras, Oregon
>
>
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Hi Larry;
It is important to use the proper drill size, #30 and # 40 135
degree slit point drill bits can be purchased from _www.theyardstore.com_
(http://www.theyardstore.com) in Kansas for $0.80 each or there abouts. There
are plenty of other places that have them too.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 6/1/2008 4:14:58 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
LHusky@aol.com writes:
Well, I have moved since my last building session and cannot seem to find
any 20 or 30 drill bits. Is there a US size will work? If not, where do you
buy them? I ordered mine from Zenith, but surely there is other places,
hopefully local.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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Hi Larry,
Don't forget the drill stops too! They are GREAT and don't mar the finish
or anything. I've ordered from the Yard Store before too. They ship
really fast!
Larry Hursh
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LHusky@aol.com wrote:
> Well, I have moved since my last building session and cannot seem to
> find any 20 or 30 drill bits. Is there a US size will work? If not,
> where do you buy them? I ordered mine from Zenith, but surely there
> is other places, hopefully local.
>
> Larry Husky
> Madras, Oregon
>
>
Orchards and Home Depot have them also.
Dan Wilde
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Larry,
I got my numbered drill bits at the local Ace Hardware.
Jay in Dallas
LHusky@aol.com wrote:
>Well, I have moved since my last building session and cannot seem to find
>any 20 or 30 drill bits. Is there a US size will work? If not, where do you
>buy them? I ordered mine from Zenith, but surely there is other places,
>hopefully local.
>
>Larry Husky
>Madras, Oregon
>
>
>**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
>Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
>(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
>
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> Anyone have pictures of how they covered up the straps on the outside of the
fuselage for the BRS
Here are some pictures I took of an AMD 601XL BRS install: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/AMD601XLBRS
I called BRS on Friday. When I spoke with the guy, he asked if I was going to
install it like in the AMD 601XL's. Evidently there are different parts involved,
depending on if you do the "Zenith XL" vs the "AMD XL" installations. He
said the AMD type was "well engineered and really nice".
An AMD-type BRS installation is my intent, so he told me to call AMD and get their
"BRS Installation Kit", and he gave me a phone number.
So I called AMD. They said, "we won't sell anything to the homebuilt market.".
:-(
So I called Zenith. They said they are working on something similar, and requested
that I send an email follow-up to our phone conversation, which I did, but
have not heard back (granted that it's Sunday as I type this so I'll be patient).
>From my conversation, it sounds like Zenith is working on something similar to
the AMD BRS install (my fuselage did ship with AMD style brackets), but it also
sounds like it's a ways off. The person who I spoke with was not the person
working on the BRS install.
In any case, I think I'll call BRS back tomorrow and order the AMD type BRS, knowing
that there are already XL's in the air using that method, and knowing that
Zenith is working on it (and that the brackets are already installed in my
fuselage).
Here are pictures of my brackets, and some thoughts of what I'm considering doing: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Zenith601XLBRSBrackets
One more point: Zenith said the BRS could be retrofitted onto an already completed
and flying XL. This is the same thing that Sebastian told me when I spoke
to him at OSH last year.
- Pat
--------
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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Scott has detailed photographs on his site:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BRS.html
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Haas
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: BRS straps
Anyone have pictures of how they covered up the straps on the outside of the
fuselage for the BRS
Thank you,
Darrell Haas
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet hold-downs? |
rtdin wrote:
> I had one pick up truck bed Rhino Lined and another Line-Exed.
>
> Good color choices.
>
> I'm also looking at wing walks too.
Do you spray this on, or brush it on? How many cans do you think it would take
to do the baggage area? How about the wing walks?
How heavy is the can? (trying to get a feel for how heavy the rhino stuff is, knowing
that the final dried-on product will be lighter than the full can that
it came from when it was wet).
Sounds like it might be a good idea. Anybody tried something like this?
Thanks,
- Pat
--------
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601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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Larry,
I just wanted to add my voice to those saying congratulations! We're all happy
for you.
Dan Dempsey
PPL 2003 :)
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Another source for aircraft tools is http://www.ustool.com/
They also have some of the the lowest price for clecos I've found.
On Jun 1, 2008, at 6:11 PM, LHusky@aol.com wrote:
> Well, I have moved since my last building session and cannot seem to
> find any 20 or 30 drill bits. Is there a US size will work? If
> not, where do you buy them? I ordered mine from Zenith, but surely
> there is other places, hopefully local.
>
> Larry Husky
> Madras, Oregon
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Check Ride !!! |
Congrats man! 8)
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Check Ride !!! |
Thank you. Well, today was a better day and we all went out to the airport
for some rides. I have five people in my family that wanted rides. I spread
it out over 3 little trips. I logged another 2 hours in the plane. It was
a lot of fun and it was cool to see the expression on my kids face. My
oldest will be 16 in August and he is going to take his first lesson on that day.
He is very excited. I took it nice and slow and took them one and two at a
time, so that I could see how they act and how distracting they were. They
are very well behaved and listened to everything I said. A very nice day and
a whole lot of fun. IT WAS ALL WORTH IT!!! Now, I just have to experience
the thrill of my first flight in my XL!!!
Thank you everyone!
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 6/1/2008 6:03:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
leinad@hughes.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Larry,
I just wanted to add my voice to those saying congratulations! We're all
happy for you.
Dan Dempsey
PPL 2003 :)
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Try Brown Tool for a great variety of aircraft tools at reasonable prices
and extremely rapid service.
Steven Bornstein
475 E. North Broadway
Columbus, Ohio 43214
614 263-5819
In a message dated 6/1/2008 9:03:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bryanmmartin@comcast.net writes:
Another source for aircraft tools is _http://www.ustool.com/_
(http://www.ustool.com/)
They also have some of the the lowest price for clecos I've found.
On Jun 1, 2008, at 6:11 PM, LHusky@aol.com wrote:
Well, I have moved since my last building session and cannot seem to find
any 20 or 30 drill bits. Is there a US size will work? If not, where do you
buy them? I ordered mine from Zenith, but surely there is other places,
hopefully local.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Headset Question |
My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she started
complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it creates a pressure
below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually took the headset off
until we were on the ground. She just went through the police academy and the
headsets they used at the firing range did the same thing to her.
Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that might
work with her. I am really going to have to do some research before I buy
one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She really enjoys flying
and tried very hard to keep it on.
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Question |
Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are much
better on the ears with them...
----- Original Message -----
From: LHusky@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Headset Question
My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she
started complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it
creates a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually
took the headset off until we were on the ground. She just went through
the police academy and the headsets they used at the firing range did
the same thing to her.
Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that
might work with her. I am really going to have to do some research
before I buy one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She
really enjoys flying and tried very hard to keep it on.
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Question |
That is what we tried today. The FBO has a DC set with Gels. I though they
were awesome, but she said it still hurt. I sure liked them though!!!!
Larry
In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are much
better on the ears with them...
----- Original Message -----
From: _LHusky@aol.com_ (mailto:LHusky@aol.com)
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Headset Question
My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she started
complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it creates a pressure
below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually took the headset off
until we were on the ground. She just went through the police academy and the
headsets they used at the firing range did the same thing to her.
Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that might
work with her. I am really going to have to do some research before I buy
one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She really enjoys flying
and tried very hard to keep it on.
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Question |
Well then you start getting into the $900 plus headsets.
(EACH)
----- Original Message -----
From: LHusky@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Headset Question
That is what we tried today. The FBO has a DC set with Gels. I
though they were awesome, but she said it still hurt. I sure liked them
though!!!!
Larry
In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are
much better on the ears with them...
----- Original Message -----
From: LHusky@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Headset Question
My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when
my instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when
she started complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it
creates a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually
took the headset off until we were on the ground. She just went through
the police academy and the headsets they used at the firing range did
the same thing to her.
Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset
that might work with her. I am really going to have to do some research
before I buy one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She
really enjoys flying and tried very hard to keep it on.
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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| Subject: | Headset Question |
You might try in-the-ear headsets. But no ANR and not particularly cheap.
These were reviewed in Aviation Consumer in August 2006:
LIGHTSPEED WWW.ANRHEADSETS.COM 800_332_2421
MACH 1 $550
QUIET TECHNOLOGIES WWW.QUIETTECHNOLOGIES.COM 866_784_3883
AURICOMM 2.5 $385
AURICOMM HALO $340
AURICOMM YPOD $289
ALOFT TECHNOLOGIES _WWW.CLARITYALOFT.COM 612_747_3197_
CLARITY ALOFT $525
PANTHER ELECTRONICS _WWW.PANTHERELECTRONICS.COM 877_957_1600_
PANTHER CAT BLUETOOTH $649
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Question |
The DC headsets do clamp pretty hard. Try a set of LightSpeed. If those don't do
it try Bose or get a new wife. Which ever is cheaper. :)
[quote="LHusky(at)aol.com"]That is what we tried today. The FBO has a DC set with
Gels. I though they were awesome, but she said it still hurt. I sure liked
them though!!!!
Larry
In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notsew_evets@frontiernet.net
writes:
[quote] Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are
much better on the ears with them...
> ---
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Headset Question |
HYPERLINK
"http://www.quiettechnologies.com/"http://www.quiettechnologies.com/
HYPERLINK "http://www.clarityaloft.com/"http://www.clarityaloft.com/
HYPERLINK
"http://www.lightspeedaviation.com/content.cfm/Products/MACH-1/MACH-1-Headse
t"http://www.lightspeedaviation.com/content.cfm/Products/MACH-1/MACH-1-Heads
et
all have 30 day return policies. I've had the one from Quiet Technologies
for 2 years and love it..
-Bruce Johnson
Sonex #593
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Headset Question
My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she
started complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it creates
a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually took the
headset off until we were on the ground. She just went through the police
academy and the headsets they used at the firing range did the same thing to
her.
Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that might
work with her. I am really going to have to do some research before I buy
one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She really enjoys
flying and tried very hard to keep it on.
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Question |
I use Clarity Aloft. No clamping pressure at all because it just has
ear buds. You can forget you have it on. There is another, some
what cheaper brand that works the same way, but I don't know the name
of it. The Clarity Aloft seems to get consistently positive
reviews. The foam pieces that actually seal the ear canal are
replaceable and come in three sizes. Music jack, but cell phone jack.
Ron
On Jun 1, 2008, at 11:00 PM, LHusky@aol.com wrote:
> That is what we tried today. The FBO has a DC set with Gels. I
> though they were awesome, but she said it still hurt. I sure liked
> them though!!!!
>
> Larry
>
> In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
> Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are
> much better on the ears with them...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LHusky@aol.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:42 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Headset Question
>
> My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when
> my instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today
> when she started complaining about the squeezing of the headset.
> She says it creates a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a
> lot. She actually took the headset off until we were on the
> ground. She just went through the police academy and the headsets
> they used at the firing range did the same thing to her.
> Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset
> that might work with her. I am really going to have to do some
> research before I buy one. I would hate to buy one and have her
> hate it. She really enjoys flying and tried very hard to keep it on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Husky
> Madras, Oregon
>
>
> Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler
> Florence" on AOL Food.
>
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Clarity Aloft! Awesome, I love mine but they are not cheap.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com> wrote:
> I use Clarity Aloft. No clamping pressure at all because it just has ear
> buds. You can forget you have it on. There is another, some what cheaper
> brand that works the same way, but I don't know the name of it. The Clarity
> Aloft seems to get consistently positive reviews. The foam pieces that
> actually seal the ear canal are replaceable and come in three sizes. Music
> jack, but cell phone jack.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 11:00 PM, LHusky@aol.com wrote:
>
> That is what we tried today. The FBO has a DC set with Gels. I though
> they were awesome, but she said it still hurt. I sure liked them though!!!!
>
> Larry
>
> In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
>
> Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are much
> better on the ears with them...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* LHusky@aol.com
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:42 PM
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Headset Question
>
> My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
> instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she
> started complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it creates
> a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually took the
> headset off until we were on the ground. She just went through the police
> academy and the headsets they used at the firing range did the same thing to
> her.
> Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that
> might work with her. I am really going to have to do some research before I
> buy one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She really enjoys
> flying and tried very hard to keep it on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Husky
> Madras, Oregon
>
>
> ------------------------------
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Well, I was looking at some of the in ear or right on the ear headsets. Do
they block out the noise enough?
Larry
In a message dated 6/1/2008 8:19:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
Well then you start getting into the $900 plus headsets.
(EACH)
----- Original Message -----
From: _LHusky@aol.com_ (mailto:LHusky@aol.com)
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Headset Question
That is what we tried today. The FBO has a DC set with Gels. I though they
were awesome, but she said it still hurt. I sure liked them though!!!!
Larry
In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_notsew_evets@frontiernet.net_ (mailto:notsew_evets@frontiernet.net) writes:
Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are much
better on the ears with them...
----- Original Message -----
From: _LHusky@aol.com_ (mailto:LHusky@aol.com)
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Headset Question
My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she started
complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it creates a pressure
below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually took the headset off
until we were on the ground. She just went through the police academy and the
headsets they used at the firing range did the same thing to her.
Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that might
work with her. I am really going to have to do some research before I buy
one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She really enjoys flying
and tried very hard to keep it on.
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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Actually really well. The ear piece is very similar to a "marshmallow" ear
plug like you get at Home Depot. I had a Peltor ANR headset and like these
much better
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:11 AM, <LHusky@aol.com> wrote:
> Well, I was looking at some of the in ear or right on the ear headsets.
> Do they block out the noise enough?
>
> Larry
>
> In a message dated 6/1/2008 8:19:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
>
> Well then you start getting into the $900 plus headsets.
> (EACH)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* LHusky@aol.com
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Headset Question
>
> That is what we tried today. The FBO has a DC set with Gels. I though
> they were awesome, but she said it still hurt. I sure liked them though!!!!
>
> Larry
>
> In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
>
> Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are much
> better on the ears with them...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* LHusky@aol.com
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:42 PM
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Headset Question
>
> My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
> instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she
> started complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it creates
> a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually took the
> headset off until we were on the ground. She just went through the police
> academy and the headsets they used at the firing range did the same thing to
> her.
> Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that
> might work with her. I am really going to have to do some research before I
> buy one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She really enjoys
> flying and tried very hard to keep it on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Husky
> Madras, Oregon
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence"
> on AOL Food<http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002>
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I have a set of thirty three Gs and the HALO from Quiettechnologies, the
HALO is much more quiet.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Headset Question
Well, I was looking at some of the in ear or right on the ear headsets. Do
they block out the noise enough?
Larry
In a message dated 6/1/2008 8:19:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
Well then you start getting into the $900 plus headsets.
(EACH)
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:LHusky@aol.com"LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Headset Question
That is what we tried today. The FBO has a DC set with Gels. I though they
were awesome, but she said it still hurt. I sure liked them though!!!!
Larry
In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, HYPERLINK
"mailto:notsew_evets@frontiernet.net"notsew_evets@frontiernet.net writes:
Gel inserts. Most headsets have that "option". David Clarks are much
better on the ears with them...
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:LHusky@aol.com"LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Headset Question
My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she
started complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it creates
a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She actually took the
headset off until we were on the ground. She just went through the police
academy and the headsets they used at the firing range did the same thing to
her.
Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that might
work with her. I am really going to have to do some research before I buy
one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She really enjoys
flying and tried very hard to keep it on.
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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