---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/02/08: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:32 AM - Re: Check Ride !!! (Jugle) 2. 06:21 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 3. 06:39 AM - Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Geoff Heap) 4. 06:46 AM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Gig Giacona) 5. 07:33 AM - Thanks for carpet ideas (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 6. 07:33 AM - Re: Headset Question (LarryMcFarland) 7. 07:33 AM - Re: Headset Question (Klaus Truemper) 8. 09:19 AM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve) 9. 10:32 AM - Re: Headset Question (Dino Bortolin) 10. 11:17 AM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Gig Giacona) 11. 11:20 AM - Re: Check Ride !!! (japhillipsga@aol.com) 12. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve) 13. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve) 14. 01:35 PM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Geoff Heap) 15. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Craig Payne) 16. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve) 17. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve) 18. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Paul Mulwitz) 19. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Robert Hansen) 20. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Craig Payne) 21. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Craig Payne) 22. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Juan Vega) 23. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve) 24. 04:48 PM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (ronlee) 25. 05:33 PM - spark plugs and rain (LarryMcFarland) 26. 06:16 PM - Headset mic-boom fix (LarryMcFarland) 27. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Check Ride !!! (Gary Gower) 28. 06:20 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Jaybannist@cs.com) 29. 06:31 PM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (Gary Gower) 30. 06:33 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Paul Mulwitz) 31. 06:51 PM - Re: CENSORSHIP (Gary Gower) 32. 06:52 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (kmccune) 33. 06:54 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Ron Lendon) 34. 06:57 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (raymondj) 35. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Pressure Test (Gary Gower) 36. 07:36 PM - Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. (Gord) 37. 07:38 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (john H) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Check Ride !!! From: "Jugle" Ah, good on ya Larry! It's worth the effort. Glenn -------- Glenn Andressen 601XL- just started. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185831#185831 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:35 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George CH-701 Registered as N73EX Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:50 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv From: "Geoff Heap" I cannot go with the long ones. No panel space. I need the smaller profile, like Becker sells but everything is over a grand. I didn't realize they were so expensive. Can anyone help with the price......Thanks Geoff Originally posted on 701 list but I should get more help from here until the 701 list grows more Do not archive "I introduced into my ears two metal rods with rounded ends and joined them to the terminals of the apparatus. At the moment the circuit was completed, I received a shock in the head and heard a crackling and boiling noise. This disagreeable sensation, which I feared might be dangerous, has deterred me so that I have not repeated this experiment." -- Alessandro Volta Every thing builtWorking on the Electric City stuff. Getting myself educated. SLOW. Rotax 80hp/Dynon D180/Garmin 296/Icom AC-A210/Dual controls Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185856#185856 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv From: "Gig Giacona" Check out E-Bay. Add a e-mail alert for which ever models you are interested in. There have been some very good deals on non Mode S Xponders out of Europe since they have started requiring Mode S over there. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185860#185860 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:21 AM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: Thanks for carpet ideas Gang: I would like to thank everyone for their ideas on holding down the carpet. Lots of people like Velcro, but it requires sewing onto the carpet and riveting onto the airframe. I personally didn't like the idea of bedliner, as I definitely want the compartment floor to *not* be sticky. With the shape of the compartment, I expect to slide stuff in often. Some have had good luck with carpet tape, but I *think* I want it to be more easily removable. I'm heading down to the auto finishing specialty store today, where I know they have a large assortment of the various and sundry push-in plastic fasteners used in cars. I'll see what I can find. So no decision yet. Thanks, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD, Corvair, building... ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:33 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Headset Question Larry, You're wife would like the Clarity Aloft set as it sets over the ears and has a set of ear plugs that protect and convey very well. I've a set that my wife uses and she's very comfortable with them. Extremely light! Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com LHusky@aol.com wrote: > My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my > instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she > started complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it > creates a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She > actually took the headset off until we were on the ground. She just > went through the police academy and the headsets they used at the > firing range did the same thing to her. > Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that > might work with her. I am really going to have to do some research > before I buy one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She > really enjoys flying and tried very hard to keep it on. > > Thanks, > > Larry Husky > Madras, Oregon > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:33 AM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Headset Question Hi Larry, There is simple but expensive solution to the clamping pressure of headsets: the Bose headset. The cost is almost $1000/headset, but it is very light, does not clamp at all, and noise attenuation is terrific. It actually is quieter than the cabin of commercial jets. Some years ago I made that expensive decision and have not regretted it ever. I would say that it has doubled the enjoyment of flying. I often fly 7 or even 9 hours in one day, and the Bose set is just as comfortable at the end of such a long day as it was for the initial takeoff. Mind you, there may be now other headsets that deliver similar performance at lower cost. I do not know. What I do know is that Bose's performance, warranty service, etc., is impeccable. Happy flying, Klaus -------------------------------------- Klaus Truemper Professor Emeritus of Computer Science University of Texas at Dallas Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science (972) 883-2712 www.utdallas.edu/~klaus ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:13 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv I installed the basic VFR instruments along with GPS and EIS. Came at over $7K. My 601 XL is pushing $53K... Darn.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Heap" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:37 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv > > I cannot go with the long ones. No panel space. I need the smaller > profile, like Becker sells but everything is over a grand. I didn't > realize they were so expensive. Can anyone help with the price......Thanks > Geoff > > Originally posted on 701 list but I should get more help from here until > the 701 list grows more > > Do not archive > "I introduced into my ears two metal rods with rounded ends and joined > them to the terminals of the apparatus. At the moment the circuit was > completed, I received a shock in the head and heard a crackling and > boiling noise. This disagreeable sensation, which I feared might be > dangerous, has deterred me so that I have not repeated this experiment." > -- Alessandro Volta > > Every thing built?Working on the Electric City stuff. Getting myself > educated. SLOW. > Rotax 80hp/Dynon D180/Garmin 296/Icom AC-A210/Dual controls > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185856#185856 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:48 AM PST US From: "Dino Bortolin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Headset Question It is also possible to assemble your own in-the-ear headset. Have a look at http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 289 for ideas. I have a pair partially completed now using Sony headphones (MDR-EX71, about $35) and the matching Comply foam tips (the same ones that Clarity Aloft uses). Once I can scrounge up an old headset for the microphone I'll be able to finish it up. Dino Bortolin On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Craig Payne wrote: > > You might try in-the-ear headsets. But no ANR and not particularly cheap. > These were reviewed in Aviation Consumer in August 2006: > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv From: "Gig Giacona" What made up that $7K? notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote: > I installed the basic VFR instruments along with GPS and EIS. Came at over > $7K. > My 601 XL is pushing $53K... > Darn.... > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185894#185894 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Check Ride !!! From: japhillipsga@aol.com Larry, I'm sure the heavy drinking the night before was the real key to sucess!! Congrads, Bill -----Original Message----- From: LHusky@aol.com Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 9:26 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Check Ride !!! I PASSED!!!!!? It was very unstable air with thunder storms building everywhere, but I bounced my way to a successful check ride and I am now a private pilot.? I am very worn out from it all.? My wife and kids wanted rides, but I told them that I needed to rest and relax before I give them rides.? I want to thank everyone who responded with different ideas.? Now it is back to the build.? ? Larry Husky Madras, Oregon N667H (Reserved) Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:10 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Becker transponder/mode C XCOM radio EIS Compas Altimeter Airspeed VSI Data system for power/time/etc fuel gauges switcher breakers ELT Misc jacks/plugs more but I m brain dead just now.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv > > What made up that $7K? > > > notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote: >> I installed the basic VFR instruments along with GPS and EIS. Came at >> over >> $7K. >> My 601 XL is pushing $53K... >> Darn.... >> --- > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185894#185894 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:11 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Oh Garmin 296 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv > > What made up that $7K? > > > notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote: >> I installed the basic VFR instruments along with GPS and EIS. Came at >> over >> $7K. >> My 601 XL is pushing $53K... >> Darn.... >> --- > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185894#185894 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv From: "Geoff Heap" OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no wish to enter A class at all Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:51 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv It is more than just class C. It is the 30 nm radius mode C "veil". In my case the edge of the Salt Lake City veil passes right through my home airport. A reasonable summary of the regs can be read here: http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/articles/No%20Radio%20No% 20Transponder%20Operations%20in%20Class%20D%20Airspace%20in%20a%20Mode%20C%2 0Veil.html? (or as a tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/68js8v ) -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Heap Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no wish to enter A class at all Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:38 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Airports that I frequent are inside the vail.... If you fly outside the vail yet above 10K, transponder is required. Sport pilots dont need to worry unless inside the magical vail.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv > > It is more than just class C. It is the 30 nm radius mode C "veil". In my > case the edge of the Salt Lake City veil passes right through my home > airport. A reasonable summary of the regs can be read here: > > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/articles/No%20Radio%20No% > 20Transponder%20Operations%20in%20Class%20D%20Airspace%20in%20a%20Mode%20C%2 > 0Veil.html? > > (or as a tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/68js8v ) > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Heap > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:32 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy > they're expensiv > > > OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in > IFR > anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and C > class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no wish > to enter A class at all > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:17 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Assuming you flying "sport pilot" ???? at or below 10K MSL, outside the mode C veil........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Heap" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv > > OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in > IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and > C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no > wish to enter A class at all > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:41 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Hi Geoff, You may not be considering what I think is the most important reason for having a transponder. It is the ability of ATC to accurately locate you in three dimensions and guide other traffic around you. This can happen any time you are in radar coverage - not just when you are in specific controlled airspace. Of course you can stay out of controlled airport airspace, but if you navigate around the control areas you are still in a position of higher traffic density. Put another way, even when you are outside the formal control area for a high density airport you still are at risk for a mid-air collision. There may be a whole bunch of VFR fliers skirting the control areas just like you are. If none of them are talking to ATC then only see-and-avoid can work, but if one of them (like me) is in contact with ATC then the radar and transponder information can be used to help avoid accidents. It has always been my standard practice to squawk mode A and C whenever I am in the air. This little habit has the potential to save your life. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 01:31 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: >OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested >in IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without >one and C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC >directions). I have no wish to enter A class at all > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:41 PM PST US From: Robert Hansen Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv I would not skip the transponder because I enjoy flight following on cross countrys. Also if you are in an area like mine, the military aircraft have a better chance in seeing you. 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A reasonable summary of the regs can be re ad here:=0A>=0A> http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/article s/No%20Radio%20No%=0A> 20Transponder%20Operations%20in%20Class%20D%20Airspa ce%20in%20a%20Mode%20C%2=0A> 0Veil.html?=0A>=0A> (or as a tiny URL: http:// tinyurl.com/68js8v )=0A>=0A> -- Craig=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-zenith-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Heap=0A> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:32 PM=0A> To: zenith-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Zenith-List: Re : Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy=0A> they're expensiv=0A>=0A> > OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in =0A> IFR=0A> anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and C=0A> class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no wish=0A> to enter A class at all=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this top ic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18591 2#185912=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:53 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv But the FAA proposed sport pilot rule change may modify the "above 10,000 ft" limit to be "above 10,000 ft or 2000 ft agl". Given where I live if this change goes through I will commonly be a sport pilot flying above 10,000 ft msl. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Assuming you flying "sport pilot" ???? at or below 10K MSL, outside the mode C veil........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Heap" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv > > OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in > IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and > C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no > wish to enter A class at all > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912 > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:40 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Presumably "explicit ATC directions" would include an assigned altitude. So assuming you don't ignore the instructions from ATC your assigned altitude plus the radar bounce gives ATC your 3D location. Remember that any aircraft that doesn't have an electrical system (glider, a Cub) isn't required to have a transponder either. So ATC is already dealing with this situation. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Hi Geoff, You may not be considering what I think is the most important reason for having a transponder. It is the ability of ATC to accurately locate you in three dimensions and guide other traffic around you. This can happen any time you are in radar coverage - not just when you are in specific controlled airspace. Of course you can stay out of controlled airport airspace, but if you navigate around the control areas you are still in a position of higher traffic density. Put another way, even when you are outside the formal control area for a high density airport you still are at risk for a mid-air collision. There may be a whole bunch of VFR fliers skirting the control areas just like you are. If none of them are talking to ATC then only see-and-avoid can work, but if one of them (like me) is in contact with ATC then the radar and transponder information can be used to help avoid accidents. It has always been my standard practice to squawk mode A and C whenever I am in the air. This little habit has the potential to save your life. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 01:31 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: >OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested >in IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without >one and C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC >directions). I have no wish to enter A class at all > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:07 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv Geoff you will need txpr for Class B and if you want guidance from ATC, they will ask that you sqawk a code. Don't be cheap, just get one rebuilt if you have to. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Jun 2, 2008 5:49 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv > > >Assuming you flying "sport pilot" ???? >at or below 10K MSL, outside the mode C veil........... >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Geoff Heap" >To: >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:31 PM >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy >they're expensiv > > >> >> OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in >> IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and >> C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no >> wish to enter A class at all >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:31 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv And then in 2010 we all change out our mode C s to Mode S. That way ATC will know your altitude, position AND your name, address, pilot ratings , medical info. They need it to send your citation to you directly..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv > > Hi Geoff, > > You may not be considering what I think is the most important reason for > having a transponder. It is the ability of ATC to accurately locate you > in three dimensions and guide other traffic around you. This can happen > any time you are in radar coverage - not just when you are in specific > controlled airspace. > > Of course you can stay out of controlled airport airspace, but if you > navigate around the control areas you are still in a position of higher > traffic density. Put another way, even when you are outside the formal > control area for a high density airport you still are at risk for a > mid-air collision. There may be a whole bunch of VFR fliers skirting the > control areas just like you are. If none of them are talking to ATC then > only see-and-avoid can work, but if one of them (like me) is in contact > with ATC then the radar and transponder information can be used to help > avoid accidents. > > It has always been my standard practice to squawk mode A and C whenever I > am in the air. This little habit has the potential to save your life. > > Paul > XL fuselage > do not archive > > At 01:31 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: > >>OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in >>IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and >>C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no >>wish to enter A class at all >> > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Carpet hold-downs? From: "ronlee" I used AUTO TRUNK carpet, not not truck box liner. That would be very heavy for an airplane. The trunk carpet I got from Pep Boys and or Checker Auto,it is extremely light. The adhesive doesn't amount to a hill of beans for weight. Ron Lee -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185950#185950 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:01 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain Hi guys, I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed, but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain? Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:03 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Headset mic-boom fix Hi guys, You know what it is to have the microphone rotate down from your mouth on a hot day and it seems to continually slip off your lower lip? Ive frustrated over this more of recent and today, without taping the mic-boom to my face, I found a solution. The double wire that secures the mouthpiece thru the rotating cap on the plastic ear-piece is held in compression between a rotating two-piece plastic knob. The split-holes the wires go thru are wider than the wire so I took a medium to heavy paper clip, trimmed it to a piece one inch each side beyond the single 180-degree bend radius. The radius was opened so the legs were about 100-degrees and then using pliers, bent 3/8ths inch from the radius each side to get the wire ends parallel. Then the radius segment was bent to a 20-degree offset from the straight pieces. The two loose ends were adjusted for width and forced in along the outside of each of the microphone wires and pushed thru the shared holes. This provided enough tension to secure rotation of the mouthpiece. Its still very adjustable, but not droopy any more as it puts a reasonable drag between the plastic knob and the plastic earpiece. This is about near to nothing as a subject can get, and a less than expensive headset, but this had gone on long enough. Anyway, hang in there and keep building, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:22 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Check Ride !!! Hello Larry:   The important thing about safe flying  is not taking the 40 hrs Private Pilot Course, or passing the Check Ride,  is knowing (though learning practice and common sense) what to do in an "emergency"  (name it from a failed  manuver or else).  I am sure that your Examiner was  very well impressed about your decission in that manuver.   Keep learning and practicing as much as you can. The great thing of aviation is that WE ALL never finish our flying course all our flying lives.   CONGRATULATIONS.   Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico Do not archive. --- On Sat, 5/31/08, LHusky@aol.com <LHusky@aol.com> wrote: From: LHusky@aol.com <LHusky@aol.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Check Ride !!! There were a couple of times that the turbulence from the building storms caused me to really blow the altitudes and as I was doing the steep turns, I actually had to exit the turn and restart.  I thought I had blown the check ride and was a little discouraged.  This particular examiner always announces a new private pilot on down wind when they come in.  Well, I was on the ground and there was no announcement until I cleared the runway!  I had not even thought that I was performing an engine out landing as my final demonstration.  He told me that the decisions I had made to exit the maneuver for safety, was the right decision.  I could not have asked for a more horrible day, but it worked out.  Thank you for the encouragement.  It meant a lot to me for all of your input and now I can share my experience with the 6 other students there.  One thing that I found very interesting, was the fact that there were several things that the examiner did not like.  This were things taught to me by my instructor.  I guess there can be some really big differences between instructors.    We have storms building again today, so I am going to go out early tomorrow morning and just enjoy flying for a change.  I am going to go alone and just relax and fly like I know I can.    Thanks again for all the excellent advise.   Larry Husky Madras, Oregon     In a message dated 5/31/2008 7:59:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wjones@brazoriainet.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com> Yes Larry , Congratulations .When I wrote you words of encouragements last week I did not tell you that I failed my first check ride back in 1961 .I was impatient and instead of waiting on the FAA I used an unscrupulous flight examiner .Long story ,there was no reason to fail me other than money .. Wade Jones    South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "pavel569" <pm569@HOTMAIL.COM> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Check Ride !!! > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "pavel569" <pm569@hotmail.com> > > CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!! > > -------- > Pavel > CA > Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved) > Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table .... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185605#185605 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:48 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain Larry, I have flown through rain many times in production airplanes and never had a problem with the operation of the engine. I think that those spark plugs are so hot that moisture just sizzles off before it can create a short circuit. Jay in Dallas LarryMcFarland wrote: > >Hi guys, > >I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was >any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed, >but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of >bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain? > > > >Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:19 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Carpet hold-downs? I (hand) sew one side of the velcro to the carpet and put a rivet in e ach end  or the velcro in the aluminum.   Has worked fine.   Saludos Gary Gower. Do not archive. --- On Sat, 5/31/08, george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Carpet hold-downs? #yiv1302408629 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1302408629 .hmmessage { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} I found that the glue on the velcro got soft in the heat of the summer and would not secure the carpet when moving thins about in the summer.  I ended up using carpet tape and it cure the movement issue.   George May 601XL 912s From: a.s.elliott@cox.net Subject: Zenith-List: Carpet hold-downs? #yiv1302408629 .ExternalClass {background-position:left top;font-size:11pt;margin-left:10px;color:#000000 ;background-repeat:no-repeat;font-family:Courier New;} Gang:   I am ready to install the carpeting in the baggage compartment of my 601XL.   It is cut and trimmed to fit, but I am unsure of the best way to kee p it in place.  Options I have thought of are:       [1] spray glue     [2] 2-sided carpet tape     [3] plastic rivets (like in cars)     [4] screws and fender washers   I would be interested in hearing opinions and other ideas.  Note that I am using the very light "replacement" carpeting from Wal-Mart Aviation Su pply, and I expect that it will need replacing every few years.   Thanks, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD, Corvair (very close now!), building... arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution E-mail for the greater good. Join the i=A2m Initiative from Microsoft. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:22 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain Hi Larry, Rain shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. However, it does present a couple of secondary issues. First is the reduced viability. If your only method of avoiding aluminum or granite clouds is by looking out the windshield then rain can reduce this ability. Second, if the temperature is right (wrong?) you face the possibility of rapid build up of clear ice. This will prevent your plane from flying due to the changed airfoil shape and rapidly increased weight. The good news is if you change altitude soon enough the ice will melt. However, if you are already at low altitude your options are quickly reduced. Icing happens only near the freezing point of water - give or take a few degrees, so if you stay well above that air temperature you should not have a problem. Third (and this is a stretch) is the possibility of carb ice. To get rain it must be around 100 percent humidity and this means carb ice will form if the outside air temperature is in the neighborhood of 70 degrees. I might be wrong about the actual temperature since it depends on the temperature reduction in your carburetor. Fortunately, you probably have carb heat to deal with this. If it is raining and your engine starts running rough or slow then adding carb heat is a great idea. Lastly, rain is noisy. It can make you very nervous. It can also get you silly comments from ATC like "multiple targets in your vicinity". (I got that once from a very green Air Force tower controller.) Have fun, Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 05:29 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there >was any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was >noticed, but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid >of a lot of bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain? > > >Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:41 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CENSORSHIP No Dave, we all are just and only waiting for a  professional  result of invetigation,  name it Factory, FAA or any international office,  or the Zbag  group analisis (I realy hope they get close to reality, I realy like it to be).   All this because MYSELF (like maybe 99% of us)  know nothing about accident analisis and airplane structure calculus  other that what we have seen in the movies :-)    The idea is to keep building, or take a break, or sell  your  kit, until and IF there is a truth explanation of what is hapenning and what is needed.   I know I will get this from ZAC,  I have a personal faith in Mr Heintz knowledge.  We chosed the Zenith airplanes after a LOT of research and this gave me faith in the designer.   No Censorship needed, just plain common sence of all of us.    Please Friends:  Dont get the easy idea  of the guys at the bar thring to solve the wold oil problem as experts...   ( I said once I will not post any more about this... Sorry,  Im human I could not resist.)   Saludos Gary Gower. Yes, building a 601 XL. Working on the fuselage,  tail feathers done. Do not archive. --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Dave G. <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: From: Dave G. <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CENSORSHIP I've only seen a couple of irrational rants, your's is one of them. A lot of what you learned in flight training had to do with managing risk, assessing risk, avoiding risk. In the face of a number of incidents, some dedicated XL owners have decided to try to get some additional info. Others are asking for additional info.   I'm curious why your solution is to simply deny the possibility. Censorship? Be real careful what you wish for.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Hursh Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CENSORSHIP I agree Paul 100%.  I'm finding they are starting up another thread in order to keep the "fires burning".  If you did just a little research on who started this one, you will find this "accident" happened a little over a year ago.  Why rehash it now again?????     I am finding ALL of these lists that post such information (which the except of the group that decided to take their discussions to a new forum - thank you by the way!!) to be a LOT overwhelming.  Why should I build or finish an aircraft that is going to crash???  Common sense tells me I need to call a junk dealer to reclaim all my "scrap metal" I've developed and NEVER let anyone fly this death trap!!    See what a lot of listers don't get is, people actually DO take everything they read to heart!  In fact I know of 3 people that have literally sold or abandoned their airplane because of what they are reading on these lists.  I for one am damned tired of reading about all the gloom and doom.  If these people insist on doing what they love to do (causing problems) I will be very shortly behind those that have decided to delete their names from all the lists.  I do agree there IS a lot of good on these lists.  I will have to weigh out how much of the bad can I take before I can't take it any longer.    I WOULD suggest to Matt Dralle, that we need a forum of BONAFIDE builders that actually have VALID PLANS in hand.  They should be REQUIRED to prove they do in fact own those serialized plans before they are allowed to join the group.  That would ensure only actual builders and plan holders have a legitimate reason to be on here.  Matt could get a list of serial numbers and names of owners from Zenith.  Mine is 7128 for a CH601XL.  Anyone that can't prove it, sorry - you can't belong to the list.  This would totally eliminate any trouble makers from posting irrational rants on here.  Sounds like a good idea to me.    Other comments and suggestions are of course always welcome! Larry Hursh Skyridersbn@yahoo.com Edwardsburg, MI   CH601XL Serial Number 7128 (N601LL Reserved)  ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: spark plugs and rain From: "kmccune" Rain water does not have any (many?) minerals, so it should not conduct or short your electrical system. Kevin do not archive -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185970#185970 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: spark plugs and rain From: "Ron Lendon" Larry, Everything about the electrical seems to have been covered. I don't think light rain would be much of a problem. Kinda like driving your car through a puddle. Heavy rain would be like driving through the river. I would shy away from rain if you have a wood prop. I hear it's not good for them, no actual experience. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185971#185971 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:45 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain I got my PP in Oregon. Consequently, I flew in a lot of rain and very humid conditions. Carb ice is not uncommon on a mid 60deg day in the rain. Used to have to use some carb heat just getting to the departure end of the runway. It is something to be aware of in the rain. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain > > Hi Larry, > > Rain shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. However, it does present a > couple of secondary issues. > > First is the reduced viability. If your only method of avoiding aluminum > or granite clouds is by looking out the windshield then rain can reduce > this ability. > > Second, if the temperature is right (wrong?) you face the possibility of > rapid build up of clear ice. This will prevent your plane from flying due > to the changed airfoil shape and rapidly increased weight. The good news > is if you change altitude soon enough the ice will melt. However, if you > are already at low altitude your options are quickly reduced. Icing > happens only near the freezing point of water - give or take a few > degrees, so if you stay well above that air temperature you should not > have a problem. > > Third (and this is a stretch) is the possibility of carb ice. To get rain > it must be around 100 percent humidity and this means carb ice will form > if the outside air temperature is in the neighborhood of 70 degrees. I > might be wrong about the actual temperature since it depends on the > temperature reduction in your carburetor. Fortunately, you probably have > carb heat to deal with this. If it is raining and your engine starts > running rough or slow then adding carb heat is a great idea. > > Lastly, rain is noisy. It can make you very nervous. It can also get you > silly comments from ATC like "multiple targets in your vicinity". (I got > that once from a very green Air Force tower controller.) > > Have fun, > > Paul > XL fuselage > do not archive > > At 05:29 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: > >>Hi guys, >> >>I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was any >>prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed, but the >>rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of bugs. Is >>there any reason to worry about a light rain? >> >> >>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> > > > -- > Date: 5/31/2008 12:25 PM > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:14 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cabin Pressure Test Hey thats having a real  inexpensive Turbo!!!    Love it :-)   Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- On Sun, 6/1/08, jetboy <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz> wrote: From: jetboy <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cabin Pressure Test --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jetboy" <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz> In my CH701 I can go from 63 kts IAS to 70 Kts IAS by pulling the line on my external static port. when a passenger complains it goes too slow thats what I do -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185686#185686 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:08 PM PST US From: "Gord" Subject: Zenith-List: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. Hello, I currently own a 601HD. It is registered as an advanced ultralight in Canada. Does anyone know if I can import this airplane into the U.S. I am moving to the U.S. and want to take my plane but may be forced to sell if it cannot be imported. Thanks Gord CH601 on amphibs rotax 914 turbo Gord601@yahoo.ca ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:22 PM PST US From: john H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain Hi Larry I have been through several light-moderate rain showers without a problem w ith the engine. A little anecdote here (please do not laugh to hard) The fi rst time it happened (light shower) I was still pretty new to flying and I started dropping altitude figuring I would avoid any clouds. My friend who is an 80 year old pilot started chuckling and asked me where I was going. H e said the rain goes all the way to the ground, just thank God for the free wash job. I do remember that the rain on the canopy was real loud. Regards John > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:29:30 -0500 > From: larry@macsmachine.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com; stratus-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain > > > Hi guys, > > I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was > any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed, > but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of > bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain? > > > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Change the world with e-mail. 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