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1. 03:46 AM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Gary Ray)
2. 07:48 AM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Grant Corriveau)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: spark plugs and rain (DaveG601XL)
4. 09:49 AM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Geoff Heap)
5. 09:55 AM - Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. (Karen Johnson)
6. 11:47 AM - Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. (Cndmovn)
7. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: spark plugs and rain (Gary Gower)
8. 12:27 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (MaxNr@aol.com)
9. 12:45 PM - Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. (Karen Johnson)
10. 12:54 PM - Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. (Cndmovn)
11. 01:50 PM - Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. (Gig Giacona)
12. 04:50 PM - Moving wings to hangar? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
13. 05:04 PM - Re: Moving wings to hangar? (wade jones)
14. 05:31 PM - Re: Moving wings to hangar? (George Swinford)
15. 05:43 PM - Re: Moving wings to hangar? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
16. 07:46 PM - Re: Censorship, split lists, "bad-mouthing competitors", etc. - (leinad)
17. 08:00 PM - Re: Censorship, split lists, "bad-mouthing competitors", etc. - (kmccune)
18. 11:32 PM - Re: Moving wings to hangar? (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
With respect to VFR pilots and VFR aircraft
One of my instructors, ex navy pilot, told me if you can't see all the way
thru the rain shower area then you should consider going around it. Once
you enter it, you can not be sure you will find any area with better
conditions.
Gary Ray
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From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
<stratus-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was
> any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed,
> but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of
> bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain?
>
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
Piston-powered commercial aircraft operate in all sorts of weather.
I've never heard of spark plugs being a problem assuming that the
engine compartment isn't being flooded. Even then, the plugs and
ignition system is usually pretty water proof from the outside...
Referring to spark plugs inside the cylinder, remember that the air
is heated several degrees by compression, first in the induction
system due to initial compression (and even manifold preheat on most
automotive conversions like my CAM100); then with in-cylinder
compression the heating is significant. All this to say that shortly
after the air enters the cylinder, the relative humidity is really
really low.
Another small point - water injection was once a technique used to
help gain even more compression of air into (mainly? exclusively?)
jet engines. The heat absorbed by the energy of vaporization of
water allowed for more dense intake of air, so more power - helpful
on really hot days. so, fwiw - the rain may be helping our piston
engines develop more power.
In the previous responses to your posting, perhaps not enough stress
has been placed on the wear and tear that occurs on non-metal
propellors. Check the archives for George Pinneo's comments about
how badly his composite prop was eroded by flight in rain. I plan to
eventually have my Warp Drive prop re-finished with the nickel
leading edges because now that I'm flying on the West Coast, rain is
an inevitability.
Grant
GHTF 601HDS
CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
The Sensenich rep at Sun-N-Fun recommended pulling the power back to 2200 RPM if
flying one of their wooden props in the rain.
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David Gallagher
601 XL, working on final assembly.
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv |
Last word on the subject
It's back in. I gotta put the money out. Thanks for the advice. While waiting for
responses I also queried EAA. Joe Norris wrote...
" Short answer: Yes, youll need one.
Longer answer: If your aircraft has an engine driven electrical system you are
required to have a altitude reporting transponder anytime you are within the
Mode C veil, even if you dont plan to enter the class B airspace itself. "
Pretty cut and dried. Hope this helped other listers too....Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. |
My 601HD, Rotax 912 was built in Canada. You just have to go through the
paper work and have the inspections. Sounds easy yes, there will be a
time or two when you wonder what you are doing but it will all work out.
Fred kar.fre@verizon
----- Original Message -----
From: Gord
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S.
Hello,
I currently own a 601HD. It is registered as an advanced ultralight in
Canada. Does anyone know if I can import this airplane into the U.S. I
am moving to the U.S. and want to take my plane but may be forced to
sell if it cannot be imported.
Thanks
Gord
CH601 on amphibs rotax 914 turbo
Gord601@yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. |
Karen: Was it registered as a homebuilt or Aula?
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Karen Johnson <kar.fre@verizon.net> wrote:
> My 601HD, Rotax 912 was built in Canada. You just have to go through the
> paper work and have the inspections. Sounds easy yes, there will be a time
> or two when you wonder what you are doing but it will all work out. Fred
> kar.fre@verizon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gord <gord601@yahoo.ca>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, June 02, 2008 7:33 PM
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S.
>
> Hello,
> I currently own a 601HD. It is registered as an advanced ultralight in
> Canada. Does anyone know if I can import this airplane into the U.S. I am
> moving to the U.S. and want to take my plane but may be forced to sell if it
> cannot be imported.
>
> Thanks
> Gord
> CH601 on amphibs rotax 914 turbo
> Gord601@yahoo.ca
>
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
Just a fast comment, The 2,200 rpm are in the propeller,
so do your math with the reduction drive if using a Rotax 912...
Yes there are at least a couple of 912's using wooden props around
here. (not mine).
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- On Tue, 6/3/08, DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> wrote:
From: DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: spark plugs and rain
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DaveG601XL"
<david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
The Sensenich rep at Sun-N-Fun recommended pulling the power back to 2200 RPM
if flying one of their wooden props in the rain.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, working on final assembly.
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
I don't think rain will effect a normal ignition system. There is a lot of
rain here along the Gulf Coast and a lot of us fly VFR in it. A good point well
made is to not fly through anything that you cannot see through. After a dozen
hours, a little in rain, my wood prop looked like it had been dragged behind
a pick up truck. The new clear finish had been applied over the brass abrasion
strips. The degradation started there.
Bob Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. |
It was registered as experimental amateur built.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cndmovn
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S.
Karen: Was it registered as a homebuilt or Aula?
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Karen Johnson <kar.fre@verizon.net>
wrote:
My 601HD, Rotax 912 was built in Canada. You just have to go through
the paper work and have the inspections. Sounds easy yes, there will be
a time or two when you wonder what you are doing but it will all work
out. Fred kar.fre@verizon
----- Original Message -----
From: Gord
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S.
Hello,
I currently own a 601HD. It is registered as an advanced
ultralight in Canada. Does anyone know if I can import this airplane
into the U.S. I am moving to the U.S. and want to take my plane but may
be forced to sell if it cannot be imported.
Thanks
Gord
CH601 on amphibs rotax 914 turbo
Gord601@yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. |
That I think is going to be the issue. The plane in question is registered
as an advanced ultralight.
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Karen Johnson <kar.fre@verizon.net> wrote:
> It was registered as experimental amateur built.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Cndmovn <cndmovn@gmail.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:44 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S.
>
> Karen: Was it registered as a homebuilt or Aula?
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Karen Johnson <kar.fre@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> My 601HD, Rotax 912 was built in Canada. You just have to go through the
>> paper work and have the inspections. Sounds easy yes, there will be a time
>> or two when you wonder what you are doing but it will all work out. Fred
>> kar.fre@verizon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Gord <gord601@yahoo.ca>
>> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 02, 2008 7:33 PM
>> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S.
>>
>> Hello,
>> I currently own a 601HD. It is registered as an advanced ultralight in
>> Canada. Does anyone know if I can import this airplane into the U.S. I am
>> moving to the U.S. and want to take my plane but may be forced to sell if it
>> cannot be imported.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gord
>> CH601 on amphibs rotax 914 turbo
>> Gord601@yahoo.ca
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. |
A call to the EAA at 888-EAA-INFO or its' Canadian counterpart would probably
get you a solid answer.
cndmovn(at)gmail.com wrote:
> That I think is going to be the issue. The plane in question is registered as
an advanced ultralight.
>
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Moving wings to hangar? |
Gang:
I am very close to moving my A/C to a hangar for final assembly. My
current plan is to move the wings one at a time in the well-padded back
of a pick-up truck, with the tail gate down. Road distance to the
airport is about 3 miles, and I will likely do this late at night to get
minimum traffic. I plan to buy a pair of those cheap red flashers and
tape one to each rear corner.
I would like to hear comments about how to pad/secure the wings in the
truck, whether moving two at a time is possible, and what kinds of
speeds are reasonable. If someone has another suggestion/experience on
how to move the wings, that would also be appreciated. (I do have a
standing wing rack, which I could use if I removed the rollers and could
find a way to secure the wings properly?)
Final note, wings are already polished (much easier to do on the bench
than on the plane), so protecting them from scratches is quite
important.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Moving wings to hangar? |
Hi Andy ,I have had good luck by placing a couple of inter tubes under
the wing leading edge ,then airing them up .Once pulled a T-Craft from
Texas to Iowa on a trailer with no springs with this method and got
there with no damage.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
To: Zenith-List Digest Server
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Moving wings to hangar?
Gang:
I am very close to moving my A/C to a hangar for final assembly. My
current plan is to move the wings one at a time in the well-padded back
of a pick-up truck, with the tail gate down. Road distance to the
airport is about 3 miles, and I will likely do this late at night to get
minimum traffic. I plan to buy a pair of those cheap red flashers and
tape one to each rear corner.
I would like to hear comments about how to pad/secure the wings in the
truck, whether moving two at a time is possible, and what kinds of
speeds are reasonable. If someone has another suggestion/experience on
how to move the wings, that would also be appreciated. (I do have a
standing wing rack, which I could use if I removed the rollers and could
find a way to secure the wings properly?)
Final note, wings are already polished (much easier to do on the bench
than on the plane), so protecting them from scratches is quite
important.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Moving wings to hangar? |
Andy:
I moved both my HD wings about three miles from my garage to a storage
unit in the bed of a pickup. The wings were (and still are) standing
back-to back, leading edge down, in an a-frame rack which I knocked
together from some cheap 1 by 4s. I padded the rack with scraps of
carpet. The wings rode well in the pickup, and I'm sure I could have
hauled them farther and at higher speed with no problem. If you need to
store the wings for a while, this is a good way to do it.
If you are interested, I can take a few pictures to give you the idea.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
To: Zenith-List Digest Server
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Moving wings to hangar?
Gang:
I am very close to moving my A/C to a hangar for final assembly. My
current plan is to move the wings one at a time in the well-padded back
of a pick-up truck, with the tail gate down. Road distance to the
airport is about 3 miles, and I will likely do this late at night to get
minimum traffic. I plan to buy a pair of those cheap red flashers and
tape one to each rear corner.
I would like to hear comments about how to pad/secure the wings in the
truck, whether moving two at a time is possible, and what kinds of
speeds are reasonable. If someone has another suggestion/experience on
how to move the wings, that would also be appreciated. (I do have a
standing wing rack, which I could use if I removed the rollers and could
find a way to secure the wings properly?)
Final note, wings are already polished (much easier to do on the bench
than on the plane), so protecting them from scratches is quite
important.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Moving wings to hangar? |
Andy,
I moved my wings from my garage to the hanger, 40 miles away, in late April. I
tried to figure a way to do what you have suggested; but I couldn't convince
myself that I could do it without damaging them, even one at the time. I rented
a 16' Penske truck. I used the rack I had made for storing the wings. I removed
the rollers, attached 4 angles to the bottom runner and screwed those to
the wood floor of the truck. On the rack, the wings were supported at three
points with 3" wide nylon web strap slings. I wanted to spread the load out
a little, so I got some cheap sheet vinyl flooring at Home Depot to span between
the straps. I secured the wings with a couple of the ratcheting nylon straps,
under the bottom runners of the rack and over the wings. The rear spar was
padded with a short 2 x 4. They made the trip with no damage whatsoever. No
sweat!
Jay
"Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott@cox.net> wrote:
>Gang:
>
>I am very close to moving my A/C to a hangar for final assembly. My current plan
is to move the wings one at a time in the well-padded back of a pick-up truck,
with the tail gate down. Road distance to the airport is about 3 miles,
and I will likely do this late at night to get minimum traffic. I plan to buy
a pair of those cheap red flashers and tape one to each rear corner.
>
>I would like to hear comments about how to pad/secure the wings in the truck,
whether moving two at a time is possible, and what kinds of speeds are reasonable.
If someone has another suggestion/experience on how to move the wings, that
would also be appreciated. (I do have a standing wing rack, which I could
use if I removed the rollers and could find a way to secure the wings properly?)
>
>Final note, wings are already polished (much easier to do on the bench than on
the plane), so protecting them from scratches is quite important.
>
>Thanks,
>Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
>N601GE (reserved)
>601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
>
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| Subject: | Re: Censorship, split lists, "bad-mouthing competitors", |
etc. -
Dave,
The only thing I differ with you on is that unlike you I am a 601XL builder. I
say, let the ideas fly! From my experience many of the folks that are builders
have more than a little engineering savvy. And I'm speaking as someone that
has worked as both a mechanical engineer and now as a software engineer.
On the part of some, there seams to be a lack of respect for the qualifications
of the builders to discuss design issues, and an almost religious faith in the
designer. With only a few exceptions I rarely see anyone jumping to conclusions
(as is claimed), but there is free discussions of the possibilities.
Among the few conclusions that are jumped to is the idea that there is nothing
wrong with the design. Right now I think the evidence on that matter is mixed.
I for one am open to the possibility that there is a design flaw. I'm
also opened to the possibility that all the wing folding accidents can be explained
by the mistreatment of the airframes. I wish I were confident that the
NTSB would issue its final report soon, and that the report be conclusive.
I'm not.
I have a tip for those who want to choose which topics they read. Long ago I
stopped receiving these posts as email. Instead I visit the Matronix web sight
and browse the post and read just the ones I find interesting (which is most).
Anyway for me, it's been a better way of filtering what I read.
Dan
601XL/Corvair Plans builder.
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Censorship, split lists, "bad-mouthing competitors", |
etc. -
Dan,
You bring up a point that I had not considered, regarding getting the list via
email. I long ago stopped getting lists emailed to me. Just way too much info,
and like you said, lots of things I didn't want to read and didn't agree with.
I have only browsed this list, so I have to apologize to any that I may annoyed
with my attitude regarding my out spoken blanket opinion, regarding posts
that annoy you to one extreme or another.
Regards
Kevin
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| Subject: | Moving wings to hangar? |
I=92ve moved wings a lot of ways over varying distances: 20, 800, 1800
and
2300 miles. I=92ve moved them may ways (pictures attached) and haven=92t
damaged
any yet. For two of the long trips the wings were hung from the sides of
rental trucks from straps padded with folded furniture pads. For the
longest
trip the wings rode flat-side down on 2x4s padded with furniture pads.
For
the short trip I just loaded the wings in their cradle onto an open
trailer.
The set taken for the longest ride were painted white and *one* area
under a
strap picked up what looks like ink from the folded furniture pad. These
were 701 wings with the leading-edge slats attached. Bottom line is the
wings are tough and weigh so little as to not require a lot of support.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Andrew
Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Moving wings to hangar?
Gang:
-
I am very close to moving my A/C to a hangar for final assembly.- My
current
plan is to move the wings one at a time in the well-padded back of a
pick-up
truck, with the tail gate down.- Road distance to the airport is about
3
miles, and I will likely do this late at night to get minimum traffic. I
plan to buy a pair of those cheap red flashers and tape one to each rear
corner.
-
I would like to hear comments about how to pad/secure the wings in the
truck, whether moving two at a time is possible,-and what kinds of
speeds
are reasonable.- If someone has another suggestion/experience on how
to move
the wings, that would also be appreciated.- (I do have a standing wing
rack,
which I could use if I removed the rollers and could find a way to
secure
the wings properly?)
-
Final note, wings are already polished (much easier to do on the bench
than
on the plane), so protecting them from scratches is quite important.
-
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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