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1. 06:01 AM - Zenith Builder (roger lambert)
2. 07:10 AM - control cables (john butterfield)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: Moving wings to hangar (John Goodings)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (moorecomp)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Jim McBurney)
6. 09:27 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (Larry Hursh)
7. 10:55 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (japhillipsga@aol.com)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: Moving wings to hangar? (n85ae)
9. 01:22 PM - Re: control cables (Bryan Martin)
10. 01:53 PM - how do i join list (Lawrence Webber)
11. 02:59 PM - 701 battery (Tracy)
12. 05:12 PM - Re: how do i join list (leinad)
13. 06:33 PM - 701 battery (Tracy)
14. 08:00 PM - Re: Moving wings to hangar? (cookwithgas)
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Do you fit this profile?
1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about crashes in other
types of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to fifty years ago and
interpolate from that to this airplane.
2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts of the airplane
without consideration of the distribution of the stress loads to other parts
of the airplane.
3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe also without structural
analysis.
4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign countries to
save a buck- without getting certifications that the materials meet the
standards.
5. I change the materials from 6061 to 2024 or some other alloy without
getting information as to the appropriateness of that alloy in that part
being verified.
6. I don't care what the airplane is designed for- I'm going to " yank and
bank" because I could have done what Chuck Yeager did if only I had the
chance. My only flight time was in a 152.
7. My medical expired 7-8 years ago.
8. My plane hasn't been finished although I've been working on it for 5+
years. I just keep on making changes to make it better and keep me from ever
having to actually fly it.
9. I'm sure I "know" more than the designer, who is fat or lazy or
incompetent and is trying to hide his mistakes by refusing to help in the
accident investigation and nothing, including the facts is going to
dissuade me from that knowledge. Plus, I called them once and they didn't
get back to me within 30 minutes and I won't stand for being "dissed" by
anybody.
10. I'm sure the FAA and NTSB are fat, lazy and incompetent and really don't
care about these accidents which are surely caused by some design error
and/or are in league with the designer or some tri-lateral commission to
steal our precious freedoms or drain our precious bodily fluids.
11. I intend to make significant changes to the control surfaces based on a
book I partially read once.
12. I never intend to go back and check the torque on bolts or cable
tensions once the airplane is completed.
13. Despite all this, I fully intend to blame the designer for any incident
that happens anywhere in the world for any kit ot clone ever built by
anyone.
Welcome to the group.
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hi list
i am going to install my control cables for the wings
and have not riveted the top skins on the wings. is
there any problem installing the cables and setting
the tension with the top skins clecoed instead of
riveted.
holding off on the top skins in the event there is a
modification required or suggested by zenith.
john butterfield
XL, corvair
torrance, ca
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| Subject: | Re: Moving wings to hangar |
Andy: We moved all our aircraft parts from Toronto to Waterloo (100 km)
without the smallest blemish. The secret: bubble wrap! You can buy it
cheaply in rolls about 3 feet wide. It is very easy to bend/twist/scratch
aluminum in the back of a truck, as you know. Any damage is often
exremely hard to undo!
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Toronto/Ottawa/Carp
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builder |
"Me Thinks Thou Doth Protest Too Much"
Craig Moore A&P
Mancelona, MI
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
My dad used to talk about water injection on his Ford Model T.
Do not archive
Blue skies and tailwinds
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
Augusta GA
90% done, 90% left
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builder |
From: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Do you fit this profile?
1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about crashes in other types
of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to fifty years ago and interpolate
from that to this airplane.
2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts of the airplane without
consideration of the distribution of the stress loads to other parts of the
airplane.
3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe also without structural
analysis.
4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign countries to save a
buck- without getting certifications that the materials meet the standards."
etc...etc.
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Roger,
Can I make a suggestion to you? Try avoiding so much caffeine and back away
from the computer for awhile. It might help your attitude and you won't
"bounce" as much. It helped me.....
regards,
Larry H
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builder |
no.
-----Original Message-----
From: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 8:56 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Do you fit this profile?
1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about crashes in other types
of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to fifty years ago and interpolate
from that to this airplane.
?
2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts of the airplane without
consideration of the distribution of the stress loads to other parts of the
airplane.
?
3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe? also without structural analysis.
?
4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign countries to save a
buck- without getting certifications that the materials meet the standards.
?
5. I change the materials from 6061 to 2024 or some other alloy without getting
information as to the appropriateness of that alloy in that part being verified.
?
6. I don't care what the airplane is designed for- I'm going to " yank and bank"
because I could have done what Chuck Yeager did if only I had the chance. My
only flight time was in? a 152.
?
7. My medical expired 7-8 years ago.
?
8. My plane hasn't been finished although I've been working on it for 5+ years.
I just keep on making changes to make it better and keep me from ever having
to actually fly it.
?
9. I'm sure I "know" more than the designer, who is fat or lazy or incompetent
and is trying to hide his mistakes by refusing to help in the accident investigation
and nothing, including the facts is going? to dissuade me from that knowledge.
Plus, I called them once and they didn't get back to me within 30 minutes
and I won't stand for being "dissed" by anybody.
?
10. I'm sure the FAA and NTSB are fat, lazy and incompetent and really don't care
about these accidents which are surely caused by some design error and/or are
in league with the designer or some tri-lateral commission to steal?our precious
freedoms or drain our precious bodily fluids.
?
11. I intend to make significant changes to the control surfaces based on a book
I partially read once.
?
12. I never intend to go back and check the torque on bolts or cable tensions once
the airplane is completed.
?
13. Despite all this, I fully intend to blame the designer for any incident that
happens anywhere in the world for any kit ot clone ever built by anyone.
?
Welcome to the group.
?
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| Subject: | Re: Moving wings to hangar? |
I rented a u-haul flatbed trailer, a bunch of pads, tossed in the wings
and hauled my 801 wings to the airport. A rather uneventfull trip.
Trailer cost I think $20-30 for the day.
Regards, Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: control cables |
I would not install the wings until they are completely riveted.
Without the top skins riveted in place, the wing can twist out of
shape and the twist can end up permanently set in if the skins are
riveted in place with out properly supporting the wing. Clecos don't
clamp tight enough to prevent the twist. The twist can be enough to
affect the roll trim condition of the airplane. At the very least,
the rib that the bell crank is attached to will be distorted by the
tension, making it hard to install the rivets in that rib. The wings
should be riveted together on your flat work surface supported by the
shim blocks as per plans in order to ensure that there is no
unintended twist in the final assembly. The control surfaces can be
left off until the wings are installed but the rest of the rivets
should be set.
On Jun 4, 2008, at 10:07 AM, john butterfield wrote:
> >
>
> hi list
> i am going to install my control cables for the wings
> and have not riveted the top skins on the wings. is
> there any problem installing the cables and setting
> the tension with the top skins clecoed instead of
> riveted.
> holding off on the top skins in the event there is a
> modification required or suggested by zenith.
> john butterfield
> XL, corvair
> torrance, ca
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | how do i join list |
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what is everybody installing in there 701with912/913 for battery?
thanks
Tracy
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| Subject: | Re: how do i join list |
If you are viewing this list as I am, by browsing the web sight forum, there's
link at the top of the page that says, "register". When you click that link it
will ask for your name and email and to set a password. You can at that point
choose how you want to receive the list.. You can get email, an email digest,
or use the web only. (That's my preference)
Dan
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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sorry I meant 914
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| Subject: | Re: Moving wings to hangar? |
Here's my buddy Dave Miller strapping my wings down last May:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Finishing/5_5_07_Moving_wings.JPG
They made the 20 mile trip with no problem.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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