---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/04/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:01 AM - Zenith Builder (roger lambert) 2. 07:10 AM - control cables (john butterfield) 3. 07:23 AM - Re: Moving wings to hangar (John Goodings) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (moorecomp) 5. 08:55 AM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Jim McBurney) 6. 09:27 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (Larry Hursh) 7. 10:55 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (japhillipsga@aol.com) 8. 01:12 PM - Re: Moving wings to hangar? (n85ae) 9. 01:22 PM - Re: control cables (Bryan Martin) 10. 01:53 PM - how do i join list (Lawrence Webber) 11. 02:59 PM - 701 battery (Tracy) 12. 05:12 PM - Re: how do i join list (leinad) 13. 06:33 PM - 701 battery (Tracy) 14. 08:00 PM - Re: Moving wings to hangar? (cookwithgas) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:53 AM PST US From: "roger lambert" Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder Do you fit this profile? 1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about crashes in other types of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to fifty years ago and interpolate from that to this airplane. 2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts of the airplane without consideration of the distribution of the stress loads to other parts of the airplane. 3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe also without structural analysis. 4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign countries to save a buck- without getting certifications that the materials meet the standards. 5. I change the materials from 6061 to 2024 or some other alloy without getting information as to the appropriateness of that alloy in that part being verified. 6. I don't care what the airplane is designed for- I'm going to " yank and bank" because I could have done what Chuck Yeager did if only I had the chance. My only flight time was in a 152. 7. My medical expired 7-8 years ago. 8. My plane hasn't been finished although I've been working on it for 5+ years. I just keep on making changes to make it better and keep me from ever having to actually fly it. 9. I'm sure I "know" more than the designer, who is fat or lazy or incompetent and is trying to hide his mistakes by refusing to help in the accident investigation and nothing, including the facts is going to dissuade me from that knowledge. Plus, I called them once and they didn't get back to me within 30 minutes and I won't stand for being "dissed" by anybody. 10. I'm sure the FAA and NTSB are fat, lazy and incompetent and really don't care about these accidents which are surely caused by some design error and/or are in league with the designer or some tri-lateral commission to steal our precious freedoms or drain our precious bodily fluids. 11. I intend to make significant changes to the control surfaces based on a book I partially read once. 12. I never intend to go back and check the torque on bolts or cable tensions once the airplane is completed. 13. Despite all this, I fully intend to blame the designer for any incident that happens anywhere in the world for any kit ot clone ever built by anyone. Welcome to the group. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:29 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: control cables hi list i am going to install my control cables for the wings and have not riveted the top skins on the wings. is there any problem installing the cables and setting the tension with the top skins clecoed instead of riveted. holding off on the top skins in the event there is a modification required or suggested by zenith. john butterfield XL, corvair torrance, ca ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:33 AM PST US From: John Goodings Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Moving wings to hangar Andy: We moved all our aircraft parts from Toronto to Waterloo (100 km) without the smallest blemish. The secret: bubble wrap! You can buy it cheaply in rolls about 3 feet wide. It is very easy to bend/twist/scratch aluminum in the back of a truck, as you know. Any damage is often exremely hard to undo! John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Toronto/Ottawa/Carp ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:50 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Builder From: "moorecomp" "Me Thinks Thou Doth Protest Too Much" Craig Moore A&P Mancelona, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186220#186220 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:24 AM PST US From: "Jim McBurney" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain My dad used to talk about water injection on his Ford Model T. Do not archive Blue skies and tailwinds Jim CH-801 DeltaHawk diesel Augusta GA 90% done, 90% left ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:44 AM PST US From: Larry Hursh Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder From: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder Do you fit this profile? 1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about crashes in other types of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to fifty years ago and interpolate from that to this airplane.   2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts of the airplane without consideration of the distribution of the stress loads to other parts of the airplane.   3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe  also without structural analysis.   4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign countries to save a buck- without getting certifications that the materials meet the standards." etc...etc.   **************************************************   Roger,   Can I make a suggestion to you?  Try avoiding so much caffeine and back away from the computer for awhile.  It might help your attitude and you won't "bounce" as much.  It helped me.....    regards,   Larry H do not archive         ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder From: japhillipsga@aol.com no. -----Original Message----- From: roger lambert Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 8:56 am Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder Do you fit this profile? 1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about crashes in other types of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to fifty years ago and interpolate from that to this airplane. ? 2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts of the airplane without consideration of the distribution of the stress loads to other parts of the airplane. ? 3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe? also without structural analysis. ? 4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign countries to save a buck- without getting certifications that the materials meet the standards. ? 5. I change the materials from 6061 to 2024 or some other alloy without getting information as to the appropriateness of that alloy in that part being verified. ? 6. I don't care what the airplane is designed for- I'm going to " yank and bank" because I could have done what Chuck Yeager did if only I had the chance. My only flight time was in? a 152. ? 7. My medical expired 7-8 years ago. ? 8. My plane hasn't been finished although I've been working on it for 5+ years. I just keep on making changes to make it better and keep me from ever having to actually fly it. ? 9. I'm sure I "know" more than the designer, who is fat or lazy or incompetent and is trying to hide his mistakes by refusing to help in the accident investigation and nothing, including the facts is going? to dissuade me from that knowledge. Plus, I called them once and they didn't get back to me within 30 minutes and I won't stand for being "dissed" by anybody. ? 10. I'm sure the FAA and NTSB are fat, lazy and incompetent and really don't care about these accidents which are surely caused by some design error and/or are in league with the designer or some tri-lateral commission to steal?our precious freedoms or drain our precious bodily fluids. ? 11. I intend to make significant changes to the control surfaces based on a book I partially read once. ? 12. I never intend to go back and check the torque on bolts or cable tensions once the airplane is completed. ? 13. Despite all this, I fully intend to blame the designer for any incident that happens anywhere in the world for any kit ot clone ever built by anyone. ? Welcome to the group. ? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:56 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Moving wings to hangar? From: "n85ae" I rented a u-haul flatbed trailer, a bunch of pads, tossed in the wings and hauled my 801 wings to the airport. A rather uneventfull trip. Trailer cost I think $20-30 for the day. Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186271#186271 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:00 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: control cables I would not install the wings until they are completely riveted. Without the top skins riveted in place, the wing can twist out of shape and the twist can end up permanently set in if the skins are riveted in place with out properly supporting the wing. Clecos don't clamp tight enough to prevent the twist. The twist can be enough to affect the roll trim condition of the airplane. At the very least, the rib that the bell crank is attached to will be distorted by the tension, making it hard to install the rivets in that rib. The wings should be riveted together on your flat work surface supported by the shim blocks as per plans in order to ensure that there is no unintended twist in the final assembly. The control surfaces can be left off until the wings are installed but the rest of the rivets should be set. On Jun 4, 2008, at 10:07 AM, john butterfield wrote: > > > > hi list > i am going to install my control cables for the wings > and have not riveted the top skins on the wings. is > there any problem installing the cables and setting > the tension with the top skins clecoed instead of > riveted. > holding off on the top skins in the event there is a > modification required or suggested by zenith. > john butterfield > XL, corvair > torrance, ca -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:56 PM PST US From: Lawrence Webber Subject: Zenith-List: how do i join list Larry _________________________________________________________________ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=s rchpaysyouback ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:15 PM PST US From: Tracy Subject: Zenith-List: 701 battery what is everybody installing in there 701with912/913 for battery? thanks Tracy ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:00 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: how do i join list From: "leinad" If you are viewing this list as I am, by browsing the web sight forum, there's link at the top of the page that says, "register". When you click that link it will ask for your name and email and to set a password. You can at that point choose how you want to receive the list.. You can get email, an email digest, or use the web only. (That's my preference) Dan do not archive -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186301#186301 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:18 PM PST US From: Tracy Subject: Zenith-List: 701 battery sorry I meant 914 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Moving wings to hangar? From: "cookwithgas" Here's my buddy Dave Miller strapping my wings down last May: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Finishing/5_5_07_Moving_wings.JPG They made the 20 mile trip with no problem. 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