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1. 03:29 AM - Yahoo! Auto Response (wfwilson1@yahoo.ca)
2. 07:08 AM - Re: Engine cowling placement (steve)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: spark plugs and rain (steve)
4. 08:21 AM - Re: spark plugs and rain (kmccune)
5. 08:33 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (Elden Jacobson)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: spark plugs and rain (steve)
7. 09:01 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 06/06/08 (Scott Thatcher)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (Dave G.)
9. 10:01 AM - William Wynn Refund (LHusky@aol.com)
10. 10:18 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (Elden Jacobson)
11. 11:08 AM - Re: spark plugs and rain (kmccune)
12. 11:32 AM - Re: Engine cowling placement (Craig Payne)
13. 01:27 PM - wing stiffeners (CRONeil1@comcast.net)
14. 02:56 PM - engine mounts (Brad Cohen)
15. 03:38 PM - Re: engine mounts (Craig Payne)
16. 03:49 PM - Re: engine mounts (Jaybannist@cs.com)
17. 05:18 PM - Re: wing stiffeners (ronlee)
18. 05:18 PM - Re: engine mounts (Paul Mulwitz)
19. 07:15 PM - Caleb (Jaybannist@cs.com)
20. 07:43 PM - Re: Caleb (raymondj)
21. 07:46 PM - Re: wing stiffeners (kmccune)
22. 08:10 PM - Re: Caleb (dingfelder)
23. 08:20 PM - FW: Matco`s Wheel Bearings (Jeff)
24. 11:19 PM - My 601XL quick-build kit is listed on Barnstormers (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Yahoo! Auto Response |
I will have limited access to my mail until July 6/08. So there might be slow response.
Regards
Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: Engine cowling placement |
On my 3300A FWF from Jabiru Pacific required absolutely no trimming.
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:14 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine cowling placement
>
> I don't know about the O-235 cowling but with the Jabiru 3300 cowling
> there
> is excess at the rear of the top and bottom cowls which is trimmed off
> after
> fitting the front of the cowls to the prop flange.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:44 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Engine cowling placement
>
>
> I just got my O-235 hanging on the 601XL. Today I laid the top cowling on
> the engine and I am puzzled about the exact placement. If I lay it so
> that
> the rear edge of the cowling is even with the rear of the top flange on
> the
> firewall the front roll of the opening clears the flywheel about 1/2 an
> inch. Is that the correct placement or is that too far back. Assuming
> that
> is the correct placement, would I put my cowling fasteners (haven't picked
> them out yet, but would appreciate any recommendations) through the
> firewall
> flange or put them in front of the FW through the skin(s).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186623#186623
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
Trying to stay off this website cause of all the crash B.S. but as a high
voltage worker I just got to say: Pure water is a non conductor. Dirt
makes the electrons flow......
SW
29 years 4KV to 500KV
----- Original Message -----
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: spark plugs and rain
>
> We actually measure the conductance of the distilled water, it goes up
> with time, dissimilar metals and bad luck..... But it starts at around
> 2uS/cm.
> Not theory at all.
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
> things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
> bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your
> sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186627#186627
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
Hey you got me beat by 460KV what are your working with at 500KV?
Kevin
do not archive
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186667#186667
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builder |
Jerry,
Let me ask that you elaborate on "the changes to his design I have made..." that
will insure that "neither the skins or the wings on our 601 will come
off."
Thanks,
Elden J. (do no archive)
--- On Sat, 6/7/08, Jerry Shepard <jshep00@centurytel.net> wrote:
From: Jerry Shepard <jshep00@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Do you fit this profile?
I complain about every thing but have no Ideas of my own.
Even though I know that al least 6 601's have had fatal crashes, 2 with the skins
coming off and at least 2 with the lower spar cap failing, I feel the
airplane is just fine and it always happens to someone else.
Even though the plans I bought show +6 and _6 "G"s I don't think there are
any problems now that the designer has changed the -"G"s to -3 and reccomended
a limit to the elevator - travel which may be a problem if your CG is not quite
perfect.
Get the picture??? Think about it!!!!
This designer needs to step up to the plate and let those of us that are building
according to his plans just what area of his design is prone to failure before
his published and sold +6 -6 "G"s. and how to remedy the problem!!
I don't fit all of your criteria, and I have talked to Chris on many occasions
about the changes to his design I have made. Some are just common
sense.
PS Neither the skins or the wings on our 601 will come off...Something else will
fail first.
----- Original Message -----
From: roger lambert
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:56 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Do you fit this profile?
1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about crashes in other types
of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to fifty years ago and interpolate
from that to this airplane.
2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts of the airplane without
consideration of the distribution of the stress loads to other parts of the
airplane.
3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe also without structural
analysis.
4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign countries to save a
buck- without getting certifications that the materials meet the standards.
5. I change the materials from 6061 to 2024 or some other alloy without getting
information as to the appropriateness of that alloy in that part being verified.
6. I don't care what the airplane is designed for- I'm going to " yank and bank"
because I could have done what Chuck Yeager did if only I had the chance. My
only flight time was in a 152.
7. My medical expired 7-8 years ago.
8. My plane hasn't been finished although I've been working on it for 5+ years.
I just keep on making changes to make it better and keep me from ever having
to actually fly it.
9. I'm sure I "know" more than the designer, who is fat or lazy or incompetent
and is trying to hide his mistakes by refusing to help in the accident investigation
and nothing, including the facts is going to dissuade me from that
knowledge. Plus, I called them once and they didn't get back to me within 30
minutes and I won't stand for being "dissed" by anybody.
10. I'm sure the FAA and NTSB are fat, lazy and incompetent and really don't care
about these accidents which are surely caused by some design error and/or are
in league with the designer or some tri-lateral commission to steal our
precious freedoms or drain our precious bodily fluids.
11. I intend to make significant changes to the control surfaces based on a book
I partially read once.
12. I never intend to go back and check the torque on bolts or cable tensions once
the airplane is completed.
13. Despite all this, I fully intend to blame the designer for any incident that
happens anywhere in the world for any kit ot clone ever built by anyone.
Welcome to the group.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
Retired now. 500 KV from Arizona to San Diego...
Mostly 2.4, 4, 6.9, 7.2, 12, 69, 138, 230 and deeeeeeenergized 500.
When the 500 was hot you actually could stand on the ground, under the line
and light a florescent bulb with induction...
Today I m growing a new arm and there is a bump on my shoulder that the
doctor says it has somewhat of a brain mass and three eyes.
I ll be ok, cause I own a 601XL.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: spark plugs and rain
>
> Hey you got me beat by 460KV what are your working with at 500KV?
> Kevin
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
> things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
> bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your
> sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186667#186667
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 06/06/08 |
Thanks Gary. Somewhere along the way, I have lost charging from the
Alternator. I'm going to use Mark Langford's method for checking the
alternator. Hopefully I'll get the problem resolved. Thanks for the input!
Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, http://placestofly.com, EAA203
<<snip>>
Double Check your charging circuit. The voltages are too low to maintain
your battery. Anything above 1100 rpm should read in the 13.0 - 14.2 range
depending on what you have turned on. (Assuming a JD Dynamo
) The numbers you show are what I would expect if your were running on
battery only. You might see 12.2 at slow idle.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builder |
Perhaps given the current climate it would be best if you did that
offline. While I have no doubt improvements are possible, the very
notion appears to create a lot of acrimony
----- Original Message -----
From: Elden Jacobson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Jerry,
Let me ask that you elaborate on "the changes to his design I
have made..." that will insure that "neither the skins or the wings on
our 601 will come off."
Thanks,
Elden J. (do no archive)
--- On Sat, 6/7/08, Jerry Shepard <jshep00@centurytel.net>
wrote:
From: Jerry Shepard <jshep00@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 9:37 AM
Do you fit this profile?
I complain about every thing but have no Ideas of my own.
Even though I know that al least 6 601's have had fatal
crashes, 2 with the skins coming off and at least 2 with the lower spar
cap failing, I feel the airplane is just fine and it always happens to
someone else.
Even though the plans I bought show +6 and _6 "G"s I don't
think there are any problems now that the designer has changed the -"G"s
to -3 and reccomended a limit to the elevator - travel which may be a
problem if your CG is not quite perfect.
Get the picture??? Think about it!!!!
This designer needs to step up to the plate and let those of
us that are building according to his plans just what area of his design
is prone to failure before his published and sold +6 -6 "G"s. and how to
remedy the problem!!
I don't fit all of your criteria, and I have talked to Chris
on many occasions about the changes to his design I have made. Some are
just common sense.
PS Neither the skins or the wings on our 601 will come
off...Something else will fail first.
----- Original Message -----
From: roger lambert
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:56 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Do you fit this profile?
1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about
crashes in other types of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to
fifty years ago and interpolate from that to this airplane.
2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts
of the airplane without consideration of the distribution of the stress
loads to other parts of the airplane.
3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe also
without structural analysis.
4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign
countries to save a buck- without getting certifications that the
materials meet the standards.
5. I change the materials from 6061 to 2024 or some other
alloy without getting information as to the appropriateness of that
alloy in that part being verified.
6. I don't care what the airplane is designed for- I'm going
to " yank and bank" because I could have done what Chuck Yeager did if
only I had the chance. My only flight time was in a 152.
7. My medical expired 7-8 years ago.
8. My plane hasn't been finished although I've been working
on it for 5+ years. I just keep on making changes to make it better and
keep me from ever having to actually fly it.
9. I'm sure I "know" more than the designer, who is fat or
lazy or incompetent and is trying to hide his mistakes by refusing to
help in the accident investigation and nothing, including the facts is
going to dissuade me from that knowledge. Plus, I called them once and
they didn't get back to me within 30 minutes and I won't stand for being
"dissed" by anybody.
10. I'm sure the FAA and NTSB are fat, lazy and incompetent
and really don't care about these accidents which are surely caused by
some design error and/or are in league with the designer or some
tri-lateral commission to steal our precious freedoms or drain our
precious bodily fluids.
11. I intend to make significant changes to the control
surfaces based on a book I partially read once.
12. I never intend to go back and check the torque on bolts
or cable tensions once the airplane is completed.
13. Despite all this, I fully intend to blame the designer
for any incident that happens anywhere in the world for any kit ot clone
ever built by anyone.
Welcome to the group.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | William Wynn Refund |
I had ordered the installation manual from WW a few weeks ago. I paid with
paypal and was waiting for the manual. Today, I got back from picking up 601
parts and found that my money had been refunded to my paypal account. I
cannot find any phone number to contact him. Anyone had the same thing happen?
Anyone have a good phone number for him?
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Builder |
Dave,
Your point is a good one; I will do that.
Elden J.
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, Dave G. <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
From: Dave G. <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Perhaps given the current climate it would be best if you did that offline. While
I have no doubt improvements are possible, the very notion appears to create
a lot of acrimony
----- Original Message -----
From: Elden Jacobson
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Jerry,
Let me ask that you elaborate on "the changes to his design I have made..." that
will insure that "neither the skins or the wings on our 601 will come
off."
Thanks,
Elden J. (do no archive)
--- On Sat, 6/7/08, Jerry Shepard <jshep00@centurytel.net> wrote:
From: Jerry Shepard <jshep00@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Do you fit this profile?
I complain about every thing but have no Ideas of my own.
Even though I know that al least 6 601's have had fatal crashes, 2 with the skins
coming off and at least 2 with the lower spar cap failing, I feel the
airplane is just fine and it always happens to someone else.
Even though the plans I bought show +6 and _6 "G"s I don't think there are
any problems now that the designer has changed the -"G"s to -3 and reccomended
a limit to the elevator - travel which may be a problem if your CG is not quite
perfect.
Get the picture??? Think about it!!!!
This designer needs to step up to the plate and let those of us that are building
according to his plans just what area of his design is prone to failure before
his published and sold +6 -6 "G"s. and how to remedy the problem!!
I don't fit all of your criteria, and I have talked to Chris on many occasions
about the changes to his design I have made. Some are just common
sense.
PS Neither the skins or the wings on our 601 will come off...Something else will
fail first.
----- Original Message -----
From: roger lambert
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:56 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder
Do you fit this profile?
1. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I read alot about crashes in other types
of high speed, pressurized airplanes built 30 to fifty years ago and interpolate
from that to this airplane.
2. I change the thickness of the metal in one or more parts of the airplane without
consideration of the distribution of the stress loads to other parts of the
airplane.
3. I add doublers to various parts of the airframe also without structural
analysis.
4. I buy materials for construction, sometimes from foreign countries to save a
buck- without getting certifications that the materials meet the standards.
5. I change the materials from 6061 to 2024 or some other alloy without getting
information as to the appropriateness of that alloy in that part being verified.
6. I don't care what the airplane is designed for- I'm going to " yank and bank"
because I could have done what Chuck Yeager did if only I had the chance. My
only flight time was in a 152.
7. My medical expired 7-8 years ago.
8. My plane hasn't been finished although I've been working on it for 5+ years.
I just keep on making changes to make it better and keep me from ever having
to actually fly it.
9. I'm sure I "know" more than the designer, who is fat or lazy or incompetent
and is trying to hide his mistakes by refusing to help in the accident investigation
and nothing, including the facts is going to dissuade me from that
knowledge. Plus, I called them once and they didn't get back to me within 30
minutes and I won't stand for being "dissed" by anybody.
10. I'm sure the FAA and NTSB are fat, lazy and incompetent and really don't care
about these accidents which are surely caused by some design error and/or are
in league with the designer or some tri-lateral commission to steal our
precious freedoms or drain our precious bodily fluids.
11. I intend to make significant changes to the control surfaces based on a book
I partially read once.
12. I never intend to go back and check the torque on bolts or cable tensions once
the airplane is completed.
13. Despite all this, I fully intend to blame the designer for any incident that
happens anywhere in the world for any kit ot clone ever built by anyone.
Welcome to the group.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
8)
notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
> Retired now. 500 KV from Arizona to San Diego...
> Mostly 2.4, 4, 6.9, 7.2, 12, 69, 138, 230 and deeeeeeenergized 500.
> When the 500 was hot you actually could stand on the ground, under the line
> and light a florescent bulb with induction...
> Today I m growing a new arm and there is a bump on my shoulder that the
> doctor says it has somewhat of a brain mass and three eyes.
> I ll be ok, cause I own a 601XL.....
> ---
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186686#186686
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| Subject: | Engine cowling placement |
OK but here is a shot of Jim from Jabiru Pacific trimming a cowl at the FWF
class at Quality Sport Planes. He seemed to treat it as standard operating
procedure.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine cowling placement
On my 3300A FWF from Jabiru Pacific required absolutely no trimming.
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:14 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine cowling placement
>
> I don't know about the O-235 cowling but with the Jabiru 3300 cowling
> there
> is excess at the rear of the top and bottom cowls which is trimmed off
> after
> fitting the front of the cowls to the prop flange.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:44 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Engine cowling placement
>
>
> I just got my O-235 hanging on the 601XL. Today I laid the top cowling on
> the engine and I am puzzled about the exact placement. If I lay it so
> that
> the rear edge of the cowling is even with the rear of the top flange on
> the
> firewall the front roll of the opening clears the flywheel about 1/2 an
> inch. Is that the correct placement or is that too far back. Assuming
> that
> is the correct placement, would I put my cowling fasteners (haven't picked
> them out yet, but would appreciate any recommendations) through the
> firewall
> flange or put them in front of the FW through the skin(s).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186623#186623
>
>
>
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Greetings all, I am 9 months into buildiing a 701 and am currently working on my
figrst wing. I am using the homebuilthelp video series as guidance and there
is a section on adding optional wing stiffeners. Does anyone have any advise
on doing this? That is a) will I wish I'd added them if I didn't, or b) will I
wish I didn't add them, if I did?
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on my figrst wing. I am using the homebuilthelp video series as guidance and
there is a section on adding optional wing stiffeners. Does anyone have any advise
on doing this? That is a) will I wish I'd added them if I didn't, or b) will
I wish I didn't add them, if I did?</DIV>
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I am trying to install my firewall which includes drilling the holes for the
upper and lower engine mounting bolts.
the contruction manual calls for 5/16" holes but the bolts that were
provided by ZAC are actually 3/8"
Additionally the manual shows the mounting bolts welded to the mounts but
mine are loose.
Has anybody else found this to be true? Would I be OK to go the larger bolts
without untoward problems>???
-Brad
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Zenith has changed the mounts at least three times. In the last two
incarnations (integrated canopy pivot, triangular "BRS" mount) the bolts
have been separate so you can select the right bolts for a plate mount
(Jabiru) or a mount with spools (Corvair and others). If your mount will
have spools you will need to choose the bolt diameter that matches the
spools. What engine mount do you have?
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad Cohen
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: engine mounts
I am trying to install my firewall which includes drilling the holes for the
upper and lower engine mounting bolts.
the contruction manual calls for 5/16" holes but the bolts that were
provided by ZAC are actually 3/8"
Additionally the manual shows the mounting bolts welded to the mounts but
mine are loose.
Has anybody else found this to be true? Would I be OK to go the larger bolts
without untoward problems>???
-Brad
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Brad,
My drawings (08/05) show 3/8" bolts and 3/8" holes.
I installed the bolts that came with the kit. When I decided to go with a Corvair
engine, I discovered that the engine mount calls for much longer bolts. If
the original ones had been welded in place, I would have been a world of hurt.
I think they welded the bolts in place on the prototype for fear that they
would be too hard to hold when torquing the nuts. They are hard, but not impossible
to hold. Been there, done that.
Some say to hold off drilling the holes until you have your mount. I drilled them
where the drawings show and they worked out just fine.
Jay in Dallas CH 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser"
"Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com> wrote:
>
>I am trying to install my firewall which includes drilling the holes for the
>upper and lower engine mounting bolts.
>the contruction manual calls for 5/16" holes but the bolts that were
>provided by ZAC are actually 3/8"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing stiffeners |
Yes, you will be sorry if you don't add the wing stiffeners and bracing on the
sides too. If you don't the sides they will oil can, especially while sitting
on the runway while warming up with a quartering wind. Fellow pilots will give
you a hard time about it as they can see and hear it. I added my side bracing
later and will say, it's not easy getting in there to do it latter.
I don't care how careful you are skinning the wings with the 16thousands aluminum
it will buckle some between the normal ribs while sitting sitting on the runway,
especially with the sun shining on them. I put an L angle lengthwise on
the top and bottom of the ribs in my wings midway between the main and rear spar
and it works well. I called Nick H. and he said that is fine. It was much
easier that way as I didn't have to contour the L angles to the curvature of the
wing. Many planes have something similar and it is normally called a hat section.
Titan aircraft do it that way.
Ron Lee
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: engine mounts |
Hi Brad,
I had a similar problem on my XL. It seems the fittings for the
longerons to firewall to engine mount had been changed from the time
my prints were done until the time I ordered the fuselage kit. The
change impacts not only the firewall attachment but also the hinge
for the canopy rail.
I didn't check with ZAC, but I am confident the larger bolts will be
just fine for the engine mount attachment. I figured out how to
drill the holes myself and even added a shim or two under the side of
the bolt head so I could tighten the nut from the engine compartment
side without holding the bolt head steady. I enlarged the holes to
final size after the longerons were in position against the firewall.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
>
>I am trying to install my firewall which includes drilling the holes
>for the upper and lower engine mounting bolts.
>the contruction manual calls for 5/16" holes but the bolts that were
>provided by ZAC are actually 3/8"
>
>Additionally the manual shows the mounting bolts welded to the
>mounts but mine are loose.
>
>Has anybody else found this to be true? Would I be OK to go the
>larger bolts without untoward problems>???
>
>-Brad
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Does anyone have an e-mail address for Caleb at Zenith?
Thanks in advance
Jay in Dallas
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caleb@zenithair.com
This is the one off his business card.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Caleb
>
> Does anyone have an e-mail address for Caleb at Zenith?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 11:17 AM
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing stiffeners |
Buy the Canyon Surfing DVD, when you watch it you can hear the oil canning. And
there are wing cam shots of the fuselage, you can see it beating.
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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E-mail for Caleb Gebhardt at Zenith
caleb@zenithair.com
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| Subject: | Matco`s Wheel Bearings |
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive Richards
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 5:28 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Matco`s Wheel Bearings
As per previous report in archives Rays Matco Chinese wheel bearings have
also failed 1998/1999 Kit suggest if you have Matco wheels pre 2000 you
check the wheels run smoothly & if not fit a reputable make of bearing.
G CBDG CH601 HD Continental 0-200 170 Hrs
I received Matco wheels with my Gears and Wheels component kit. The wheels
are Model W80CC-Z Size 8 Weight 8.0 with a maximum Static Load Capability of
660 Pounds. Mine were made in May of 1999. At the time, Matco was owned by
an owner preparing to sell the company. I believe it was sold in 2000 to
the current owner(s). I checked the bearings in mine and sure enough one of
them was rough operating. I put off replacing them for a couple years, but
recently I bought 6 bearings to replace the bearings in all three wheels.
The bearing size is 1623DCTN in the NICE brand Inch Ball Bearings. Motion
Industries did suggest substituting Chinese made bearings number 1623RS.
These are INCH bearings meaning that the size is measured on the English
scale, not metric. While it was easy to remove the old bearings with
pressure from the opposite side, I found that simply pushing the new
bearings into place was not successful. An A&P on my field got the bearings
into the first wheel using heat on the wheel and a large drill press to push
the bearing in place, but it was not an easy task. He grimaced and
struggled with the drill press. I tried a homemade press using a threaded
rod, flat washers, and nuts to try to compress the bearings into place
without luck. The coarse threads on the only rod I could find were not a
help. Even with heat on the wheel to expand it, when I finally got the
bearing in place, it was damaged. Today I found the magic! Even though the
aluminum wheel should expand at a much greater rate than the steel bearing,
the answer was to freeze the bearing. Today was hot so the wheel was warm
from sitting in the car. The cold bearing from the freezer slipped into the
warm wheel with just a little persuasion from a wooden dowel and soft blows
from a hammer. Both bearings went in within just a few minutes. Tomorrow
the plane can stand on its tires again.
Thanks to Rick Herndon, Clive Richards, and several others not on this email
list.
I may be the last one to need to address these old wheels, but hopefully
this will tell the story for others.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | My 601XL quick-build kit is listed on Barnstormers |
I own two 601XL kits and a nearly done 701. I need time and space to finish
the 701. So the QBK is on the block with optional components like the new
Jabiru 3300, Jabiru USA FWF kit and Skyshop leather seats and interior. Take
a look.
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=251268
AOL users, use this link:
<a
href="http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=251268">http://www.barnstor
mers.com/listing.php?id=251268</a>
-- Craig
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