---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/08/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Re: Zenith Builder (Yak52@aol.com) 2. 06:46 AM - 701 w/o slats (Robert Schoenberger) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: Engine cowling placementEngine cowling placementEngine cowling placement (Edward Moody II) 4. 07:31 AM - Re: Engine cowling placementEngine cowling placementEngine cowling placement (steve) 5. 08:11 AM - Re: 701 w/o slats (ronlee) 6. 09:25 AM - Chat Room Reminder for the "Digesters" (George Race) 7. 10:41 AM - getting the engine from the crate to the firewall (Alex MacKay) 8. 11:20 AM - Re: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall (Jaybannist@cs.com) 9. 11:27 AM - Re: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall (LarryMcFarland) 10. 11:56 AM - Re: Zenith601-List: FYI Corvair starter gear fracture (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 11. 11:56 AM - Re: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall (steve) 12. 02:30 PM - Nose Wheel Bearings Questions (lwhitlow) 13. 04:24 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Bearings Questions (LarryMcFarland) 14. 04:34 PM - Re: First Flight of 601EL, Really! (n801bh@netzero.com) 15. 05:26 PM - Re: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall (Ron Lendon) 16. 06:41 PM - Re: N55ZC: first pictures (leinad) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:27 AM PST US From: Yak52@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Builder The +6-6 was ultimate load. If you have made changes that will insure that the wings do not come off, I'm sure everyone agrees that you should keep it a secret. After all, only the "enlightened" should be saved; and you can gleefully count the crashes of those who didn't come to worship at your throne. More importantly, without that information, your changes can never be examined, unlike Mr. Heintz who is under perpetual scrutiny and criticism by members of this group. . **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:04 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Zenith-List: 701 w/o slats In a recent issue of Zenair, Chris H. discussed the 701's performance with and without the slats. Without the slats, much of the STOL characteristics were absent, but the landing and takeoff angles of approach appear to be more "normal". Can anyone give me some specific performance figures and handling without slats? I am particularly interested in the minimum length of runway required for takeoff and landing for a pilot of average skills. I am in the process of planning a grass strip on my 34 country acres, and this information will be muchly appreciated. I can get a 1000' strip. Takeoff will be with the wind and slightly downhill. Landings will be into the wind and slightly uphill. Thank you in advance. Robert Schoenberger 701 - probably 80 hp 912. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:01 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine cowling placementEngine cowling placementEngine cowling placement Pete and Mark at Jabiru USA in Tennessee also demonstrat trimming the cowl for optimum fit at their seminar. Ed ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:44 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine cowling placementEngine cowling placementEngine cowling placement So you all are saying that my nine inch overlap at the fuselage is too much ???? ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Moody II To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:03 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine cowling placementEngine cowling placementEngine cowling placement Pete and Mark at Jabiru USA in Tennessee also demonstrat trimming the cowl for optimum fit at their seminar. Ed ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 w/o slats From: "ronlee" You will be able to land and take of in shorter distances with the slats. will it take more skill, absolutely. With slats when you flare you will be DONE flying. With out slats and VGs installed you will get some float, much easier to land. I don't see much difference in the take off distance though. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186785#186785 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:20 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder for the "Digesters" Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George CH-701 Registered as N73EX Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:56 AM PST US From: Alex MacKay Subject: Zenith-List: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall Hi Folks My Jabiru 3300 is in a pallet in the back of my truck. I am looking for a convenient way to move it out of the truck to my garage and later to attach it to the firewall. Since I usually work alone, I would like to have a technique which saves my back. Any suggestions are appreciated? Alex MacKay 601HDS/3300 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:12 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall Alex, I went ahead and bought a Harbor Freight 1-ton shop crane. It was not very expensive, is high quality and is foldable for relatively compact storage. With it, I was able to un-crate and mount the engine without any help (and no back pain!). It has proved useful for lifting many things other than the engine (such as wings during final assembly). Jay in Dallas Alex MacKay wrote: > >Hi Folks > >My Jabiru 3300 is in a pallet in the back of my truck. I am looking for a >convenient way to move it out of the truck to my garage and later to >attach it to the firewall. Since I usually work alone, I would like to >have a technique which saves my back. > >Any suggestions are appreciated? > >Alex MacKay > >601HDS/3300 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:36 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall Hi Alex, In the link below you'll see a double cable come-along floor crane that I made for putting to 1500 lbs high enough to put a large boat engine in a sea-ray while it was on the trailer in my garage. It's also been handy for putting a Stratus Subaru on my 601HDS. I used 1-1/2 x 2-1/2 x 1/8-in rectangle tube and 3-in channel for the base with casters. Don't scrimp on the ratcheting-cable and buy a 3,000 lb capacity one from Harbor Freight for the rear end and a 2,000 lb capacity one for the engine end. Also use Grade 5, 1/2-in bolts. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/subaruengine/full/hangengine2.gif Not a hard one to make in any case and you can take it down and hang it on a wall when you're done with it. Save your back ;-) Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > Hi Folks > > My Jabiru 3300 is in a pallet in the back of my truck. I am looking > for a convenient way to move it out of the truck to my garage and > later to attach it to the firewall. Since I usually work alone, I > would like to have a technique which saves my back. > > Any suggestions are appreciated? > > Alex MacKay > > 601HDS/3300 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:51 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith601-List: FYI Corvair starter gear fracture For Your Information.... I have 90+ hours on my 601HDS with a Corvair engine. During engine teardown I found two fractures on the front starter ring gear. One fracture was 1/4 long and on the top part of one web. The second fracture was completely across the bottom of a web and was hidden by the alternator pully. Will replace with a solid ring gear with no webs. GPJ, We have been seeing a lot of fractures (one of ours included) and 7 more I know of. I have just received the first shipment of the new CNC machined solid ring gears and will be making an update on the web site tonight offering these for sale. We had a standard ring gear tested and found the center hole to have been slightly offset causing it to run untrue. That's why we decided to CNC cut the center hole and test it to 4,000 rpm's to insure it runs true. Jeff _www.areoliteproducts.com_ (http://www.areoliteproducts.com) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:52 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall At Sams Club I purchase an engine lift for $174. Its well worth the price..... SW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex MacKay" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Zenith-List: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall > > Hi Folks > > My Jabiru 3300 is in a pallet in the back of my truck. I am looking for a > convenient way to move it out of the truck to my garage and later to > attach it to the firewall. Since I usually work alone, I would like to > have a technique which saves my back. > > Any suggestions are appreciated? > > Alex MacKay > > 601HDS/3300 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Nose Wheel Bearings Questions From: "lwhitlow" All I've been working on the nose gear and pulled the Matco Wheel out for a test fit (kit is from Nov 2005) The included bearings have the name Azusua on them and are stamped made in China. Any issues with these wheels / bearings that anyone would care to comment on?? And while we're at it, What grease should I pack them with and how often should I repack them? Thanks in Advance Larry 601XL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186858#186858 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:34 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose Wheel Bearings Questions Larry, I've never heard or read anything that cast doubt on Azusua Bearing quality. I thought the bearings would be sealed each side and not require any grease. If you need to inspect these every year (without seals), it's probably a good idea to repack them at annual inspection with any good white lithium grease. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com lwhitlow wrote: > > All > > I've been working on the nose gear and pulled the Matco Wheel out for a test fit (kit is from Nov 2005) > > The included bearings have the name Azusua on them and are stamped made in China. > > Any issues with these wheels / bearings that anyone would care to comment on?? And while we're at it, What grease should I pack them with and how often should I repack them? > > Thanks in Advance > > Larry > 601XL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186858#186858 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:33 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight of 601EL, Really! Congrats to you.. !!!!!!!!!!! do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Scott Thatcher" wrote: 601EL is a 601XL with a Warp Drive prop and a 100HP Corvair engine. OK G uys, I did it! At 12:30 today (Friday), I made two high speed passes dow n runway 8R at F45 (North County Airport in Palm Beach Gardens, FL), and managed to get about 5 feet of air between me and the tires. On the t hird attempt, I switched to the right ignition and got a little better f ull power output. While looking at the RPMs (2550), I then looked up and noticed that the speed was 70mph and I was a lot closer to the end of t he runway than I felt comfortable with. Now I know that the real first f light was done by Gus Warren but that flight also was just above the run way, not actually in the pattern. Knowing that I wouldn't stop in time, I elected to continue flying. Since I had not done a test with the nose pointed upward while tethered to the ground, I elected to do a very shal low climb out while looking down to see where I would put it in the even t of an engine failure. I never noticed before how really poor the terr ain is on the end of 8R at F45! I climbed at about 500 fpm and 90 mph (I 'll get better as I practice with stalls, etc) and made the right tun to crosswind. By the time I turned downwind, I was still only 700' and sti ll climbing. The speed was inching up to about 110mph and by the time I was abeam the approach numbers, I noticed someone on a three mile final so I extended the downwind considerably. I throttled back to about 2000 and then turned Base followed by a quick turn to final. Descending at 5 00 fpm and a speed of 90mph, I came over the numbers a little hot but it floated for awhile and then touched down in the nicest 3-point attitude (if I had a tailwheel), with the nose coming down shortly after. I did not use flaps on takeoff or on final. As far as handling, the elevator seemed heavy as did the ailerons (I use the riveted ailerons). I was ab le to trim up the elevator slightly on downwind which gave my arm a rest . I had just gotten done with three hours in a Gobosh 700 with balanced controls, so I may have been mentally comparing the two without knowing it. Oh yes, and for those who mentioned that I was running hot previous ly, let me note that I cut the openings of the 601cowl to the recommende d diameter of 4 7/8" (actually mine missed the mark slightly as I cut it to just 4 3/4") Previously, I had not made the cuts to the nose bowl a nd my temps got fairly hot. Here are the numbers I encountered during th e high speed taxi and just after the first true flight along with the ti me of day. Activity Taxi ---High Speed Taxi--- Fl ightTime 11:45 11:58 12:10 12:30 Fuel Pres 4 2.9 2.9 4. 3Oil Pres 50 40 30 4 0Oil Temp --- 190 225 228 C HT-CHT 200-350 250-350 250-350 200-320EGT-EGT 800-102 0 850-1050 800-950 750-950RPM's 700-1200 2500 2550 2700Voltage 12.2 12.2 11.9 11.7 The two high speed taxis were between 11:58 and 12:10. The actual flight around the pattern was just before the 12:30 da ta (the 12:30 reading was after taxiing for about 4-5 minutes) Hope the data helps the next bunch. Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== = ____________________________________________________________ Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tx37UOXGyuZvnDbx1r RpfXEkBjjXcly6MhOR2AXZBZ6TKjA/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: getting the engine from the crate to the firewall From: "Ron Lendon" I bought the Harbor Freight 3552 1 ton arbor press and used it to lift and position a Smithy Granite 1324 3 in 1 machine, about 650lbs. There are some pictures here: http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=44888&row=67 I also just used it as a hanging rack for painted Light Sport Recumbent Bicycle parts. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186894#186894 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:40 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N55ZC: first pictures From: "leinad" Jay, It looks gorgeous in every detail! 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