---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/21/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:44 AM - BRS engine mount firewall attachment drawing? (Debo Cox) 2. 10:49 AM - Rear starter update (Aerolitellc@aol.com) 3. 11:07 AM - Re: BRS engine mount firewall attachment drawing? (PatrickW) 4. 02:07 PM - Battery slow to take charge (Grant Corriveau) 5. 02:27 PM - Need Picture of Rudder cable Fairlead install Main Spar (lwhitlow) 6. 03:35 PM - Re: Flaps Travel (dingfelder) 7. 03:41 PM - Re: Need Picture of Rudder cable Fairlead install Main Spar (Jaybannist@cs.com) 8. 04:16 PM - Re: Need Picture of Rudder cable Fairlead install Main Spar (lwhitlow) 9. 04:21 PM - Powder Coating Pro's and Con's (lwhitlow) 10. 05:03 PM - Re: Powder Coating Pro's and Con's (Jaybannist@cs.com) 11. 05:39 PM - Re: Powder Coating Pro's and Con's (Paul Mulwitz) 12. 05:51 PM - Re: Powder Coating Pro's and Con's (Juan Vega) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:43 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Zenith-List: BRS engine mount firewall attachment drawing? Hi guys, I'm at the point of attaching my new-style BRS engine mount brackets to the firewall. Has anyone seen a drawing that specifies number, type, and placement of bolts, etc? I searched the archives and the BRS site - no luck with the new Zenith mounts. I'll check with Zenith if there's not one out there and post it here. Thanks in advance. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC Scratchbuilding XL/Corvair www.mykitlog.com/debo do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:08 AM PST US From: Aerolitellc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Rear starter update List We have just finished a 10 hour flight from Englewood Fl. to Louisville KY with the new rear starter setup and you can view pics and a video of the engine run up at Bill Clapp's place on the web site here _http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/Rear_Starter_Kit.php_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/Rear_Starter_Kit.php) We plan to have the airplane at Oshkosh with the new rear starter setup. I will be updating the site with a Technical update on distributors as well as more ring gear cracks in the next few hours. Jeff _www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: BRS engine mount firewall attachment drawing? From: "PatrickW" I know that they are working on instructions to do an AMD style BRS install, of which the new brackets you mention are a part. Last word I got from ZAC (about a week ago) was that "it shouldn't be long". I'd encourage people who are interested in installing a BRS to ask Zenith for instructions. That way they know more of us are out here and are interested, and maybe you'll get the latest info from them and can then pass that info along to the rest of us. - Pat -------- Patrick 601XL/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188918#188918 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:00 PM PST US From: Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: Battery slow to take charge I have dual 18ah RGB batteries ala a Bob Nucholls design that provides max. battery redundancy - something I wanted for an automotive conversion with electronic ignition and electric fuel pumps. No. 1 Batt is brand new and operates as expected, taking a charge immediately after engine start. But Batt 2 (two years old) won't take a charge initially even up to 3,000 engine rpm. During and After flight, when I check, No. 2 Batt. is taking a charge and behaving normally. I've checked/tightened all the connections etc.... I guess I should actually put a meter through it to ground and see how the resistance compares in case I do have a corroded contact. But is it possible that the battery itself has internal problems causing this? This seems strange with only 2 years of life on it. thanks Grant GHTF ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Need Picture of Rudder cable Fairlead install Main Spar From: "lwhitlow" Hi All I'm working on the control install on a 601XL (with the dual stick option). I know the rudder cables pass on the outsides of the the torque tube and pre installed angles on the main spar I checked the zenith builders site and Larry McFarland's "if I don't understand he's probably got a picture of it." place, but his is a HD and things are a little different up there A picture would go a long way to make me comfortable with the things I'm doing now. I don't want to bolt myself into a corner later. No I'm not doing any mods, just following the plans. Now I gotta go look for my belt and suspenders........... Thanks Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188950#188950 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:34 PM PST US From: "dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flaps Travel Thanks to all who responded concerning my inquiries about flap travel. I also called Zenith and talked to Caleb. He told me that the flap motor now provided with the kit will only provide 20 degrees travel, though my kit has the previously supplied unit. This change was made to conform to Sport Pilot compliance requirements. He said it had to do with the ability to fully trim the elevator to compensate for the attitude change with the flaps extended. I just finished rigging and adjusting my flaps and ailerons. Admittedly, I was very anal about the entire process, and settled for nothing less than perfection. I was able to achieve 24 degrees of flap engagement. And Jay of Dallas, my switches ended up with slightly more than 3/16" between the closest connections. Now, if only this aircraft was painted!!! Lynn Dingfelder 601 XL / Corvair Corry, PA ding@tbscc.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:53 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Need Picture of Rudder cable Fairlead install Main Spar Larry, These are the only two photos I could find. Let me know if you have questions. Jay in Dallas "lwhitlow" wrote: > >Hi All > >I'm working on the control install on a 601XL (with the dual stick option). > >I know the rudder cables pass on the outsides of the the torque tube and pre installed angles on the main spar > >I checked the zenith builders site and Larry McFarland's "if I don't understand he's probably got a picture of it." place, but his is a HD and things are a little different up there > >A picture would go a long way to make me comfortable with the things I'm doing now. I don't want to bolt myself into a corner later. > >No I'm not doing any mods, just following the plans. > >Now I gotta go look for my belt and suspenders........... > >Thanks > >Larry > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188950#188950 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Need Picture of Rudder cable Fairlead install Main Spar From: "lwhitlow" Jay Those were Great!!! Just what I needed. I was unsure that small of a space for the cables to pass through was enough. Those shots answered all of my questions Thanks Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188964#188964 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:02 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Powder Coating Pro's and Con's From: "lwhitlow" All What's the consensus about powder coating the 4130 Steel parts?? I know your not supposed to powder coat the motor mount, because it makes it harder to spot small cracks, but what about the other parts?? I'm installing the dual stick option right now, so now would be the time to get it done Opinions??? Best guess??? Wild A** Speculation [Laughing] ??? Thanks Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188965#188965 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:40 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Powder Coating Pro's and Con's Larry, I think powder coating would be great, especially for the dual sticks parts. I painted with RustOleum and they have already gotten scuffed up a lot. There is a lot of work that must be done around those parts and they will take a beating. Not that I am particularly abusive ;), but sh..t happens! I imagine a powder coating would be able to withstand the abuse a lot better than RustOleum. Jay in Dallas "lwhitlow" wrote: > >All > >What's the consensus about powder coating the 4130 Steel parts?? > >I know your not supposed to powder coat the motor mount, because it makes it harder to spot small cracks, but what about the other parts?? > >I'm installing the dual stick option right now, so now would be the time to get it done > >Opinions??? Best guess??? Wild A** Speculation [Laughing] ??? > >Thanks > >Larry > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188965#188965 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:29 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Powder Coating Pro's and Con's Hi Larry, I would avoid powder coating anything in an airplane. Powder coat is essentially melted polyurethane which when burned produces large quantities of hydrogen cyanide gas. That is not the kind of stuff you want in a cockpit when you can't immediately land. In the old days before lethal injections, that is the gas they used to execute criminals. For my steel parts, I used epoxy primer from the automotive paint store. This is the same stuff that goes under the final paint job. It is a bit expensive at just under $100 for a gallon and a half (1 gallon paint, 1/2 gallon hardener) but that goes a long way. I recently discovered the cheap little HVLP touch up paint gun from harbor freight works just fine. Of course you need the standard safety equipment - respirator and gloves. Good luck, Paul XL getting close At 04:18 PM 6/21/2008, you wrote: >What's the consensus about powder coating the 4130 Steel parts?? > >I know your not supposed to powder coat the motor mount, because it >makes it harder to spot small cracks, but what about the other parts?? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:07 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Powder Coating Pro's and Con's most aircraft produced with chrome molly tubing are Powder coated. It works great and not expensive. Maules, Huskys, Lots of Cubs. Most engine mounts produced are powder coated. If my pipes are burning, I'm probably allready Dead. Corroded pipes are far worse. -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Mulwitz >Sent: Jun 21, 2008 8:36 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Powder Coating Pro's and Con's > > >Hi Larry, > >I would avoid powder coating anything in an airplane. Powder coat is >essentially melted polyurethane which when burned produces large >quantities of hydrogen cyanide gas. That is not the kind of stuff >you want in a cockpit when you can't immediately land. In the old >days before lethal injections, that is the gas they used to execute criminals. > >For my steel parts, I used epoxy primer from the automotive paint >store. This is the same stuff that goes under the final paint >job. It is a bit expensive at just under $100 for a gallon and a >half (1 gallon paint, 1/2 gallon hardener) but that goes a long way. > >I recently discovered the cheap little HVLP touch up paint gun from >harbor freight works just fine. Of course you need the standard >safety equipment - respirator and gloves. > >Good luck, > >Paul >XL getting close > > >At 04:18 PM 6/21/2008, you wrote: >>What's the consensus about powder coating the 4130 Steel parts?? >> >>I know your not supposed to powder coat the motor mount, because it >>makes it harder to spot small cracks, but what about the other parts?? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.