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1. 12:22 AM - Website update (Aerolitellc@aol.com)
2. 05:27 AM - Re: Filler (Edward Moody II)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: Filler (japhillipsga@aol.com)
4. 10:30 AM - Re: Filler ()
5. 01:49 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Filler (LarryMcFarland)
6. 02:46 PM - RES: [Probable Spam] Re: Filler (Francisco Espuny)
7. 03:04 PM - Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Dave VanLanen)
8. 04:12 PM - Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Terry Phillips)
9. 06:21 PM - Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Herb Heaton)
10. 06:31 PM - Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Ron Lendon)
11. 09:03 PM - Who is going to Oshkosh? (jonaburns)
12. 09:51 PM - Re: Who is going to Oshkosh? (Craig Payne)
13. 09:52 PM - Re: Who is going to Oshkosh? (Cory Emberson)
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Hey everyone
I just consolidated a lot of the web site and got in some new products in
like aluminum and stainless intakes, Starters, and pulleys.
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(http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/Aerolite_s_Products.php) I will be getting
more products in this week and I have almost finished my test stand and will
post some pics of it on my web site.
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As long as we are taking a census here..... my humble and universally
ignored opinion is this: if it means enough to a builder to fill in all
those zillions of rivets, it would make more sense to dimple all the
rivet holes in the first place then set them flush. Then the sanding and
filling in would actually have a higher payback and the sanding would be
more controllable.
That being said, I did not dimple and would not fill the rivet holes. If
the level of scrutiny reaches criticism of my rivet holes I will employ
a Cajun admonition, "Hey.... take you ass back over to you own plane,
YOU! 'Garde de dan.... fis putan la merde comme ca."
Ed
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BINGO for me as well !?
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 8:24 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Filler
As long as we are taking a census here..... my humble and universally ignored opinion
is this: if it means enough to a builder to fill in all those zillions
of rivets, it would make more sense to dimple all the rivet holes in the first
place then set them flush. Then the sanding and filling in would actually have
a higher payback and the sanding would be more controllable.
?
That being said, I did not dimple and would not fill the rivet holes. If the level
of scrutiny reaches criticism of my rivet holes I will employ a Cajun admonition,
"Hey.... take you ass back over to you own plane, YOU! 'Garde de dan....
fis putan la merde comme ca."
?
Ed?
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There's a line from Shakespeare that describes what mine will look lik
e when it's finally finished..........."A poor thing, sir, but mine ow
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=0A As long as we are taking a census here..... my humble and univers
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in all those zillions of rivets, it would make more sense to dimple al
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The thing perhaps not mentioned is the likelihood that eventually,
repairs to wing tanks, dings or panel repairs would make it necessary to
reopen
the structure. I cannot see the joy of trying to drill out rivets that
have been essentially filled with anything that would eliminate a center
for the drill.
Without filler, rivets are easy to remove and a panel can be replaced
with some ease. With filler, forget it.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
japhillipsga@aol.com wrote:
> BINGO for me as well !
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 8:24 am
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Filler
>
> As long as we are taking a census here..... my humble and universally
> ignored opinion is this: if it means enough to a builder to fill in
> all those zillions of rivets, it would make more sense to dimple all
> the rivet holes in the first place then set them flush. Then the
> sanding and filling in would actually have a higher payback and the
> sanding would be more controllable.
>
> That being said, I did not dimple and would not fill the rivet holes.
> If the level of scrutiny reaches criticism of my rivet holes I will
> employ a Cajun admonition, "Hey.... take you ass back over to you own
> plane, YOU! 'Garde de dan.... fis putan la merde comme ca."
>
> Ed
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Light filler is very less resistant than aluminium, so all you've got to do
to remove the rivet is to place the edge of the drill about the center of it
and the tool will find its way itself. I've never done this on a plane, but
did it many, many times on fiberglass sport cars. The filler I used is
conventional balsa filler that is light and can be thinned with water to be
injected,sanded and painted, and has never left its place even when I used
it on the off-road babies.
Well, as I said, never used on planes, sorry.
Ill soon have an answer to this (laughs). Hope not having to do all the
work again.
That's why there's an "experimental" label near my door...
---
My plane is an CH 801 and, although different from yours, I'm here to read
and get some of your experience, maybe looking for a low winged plane soon.
I'm also on other not owned equipment's lists for the same reason. Hope you
are not angry.
Clear skies and "butter" landings to all.
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de LarryMcFarland
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 2 de julho de 2008 17:46
Para: zenith-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Zenith-List: Filler
The thing perhaps not mentioned is the likelihood that eventually,
repairs to wing tanks, dings or panel repairs would make it necessary to
reopen
the structure. I cannot see the joy of trying to drill out rivets that
have been essentially filled with anything that would eliminate a center
for the drill.
Without filler, rivets are easy to remove and a panel can be replaced
with some ease. With filler, forget it.
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| Subject: | Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL |
Has anyone successfully installed the Kuntzleman Streamline Combo nav/strobe
lights on a 601XL, and do the rear-facing white nav lights meet the FAA
approved light pattern? I was originally going to install the round nav
light in the rudder, but it adds more wiring and extra weight, so I'd rather
go with the combo system if I can. I like the Kuntzleman system because it
is lightweight, has a single strobe power pack in the fuselage, and only
draws about 3 to 4 amps total, including the strobes and LED nav lights.
However I can't figure out how to verify whether the rear-facing white LED
lights would meet the FAA approved light pattern. I haven't started on my
wings yet, (I will be starting soon), but when I have looked at the shape of
the wingtip on other XLs, it appears that the light mounting pads are
forward of the outermost curvature of the wingtip, so I am concerned that
the wingtip will block the view to the rear. If I understand it correctly,
the white lights must be visible 70 degrees to either side of a longitudinal
line through the center of the A/C at a distance of 1200 feet behind the
A/C, but there is no practical way for me to check this.
Any help would be appreciated.
Dave Van Lanen
601XL - finishing tail
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| Subject: | Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL |
I have had the same question, Dave.
I bought the GS-Air LED nav-strobe-rear light combo and I will install them
when I finish my 601XL I believe they are similar to the Kunzleman units.
I took the attached photo of the factory demo at Open Hangar Days, 2007. I
got as far behind the airplane as I could (probably 3 or 400 ft) and then
took the photo. It looks like there is a reasonable chance that a combo
light mounted as far rearward as possible on the flat end of the fiberglass
wing tip would be visible from 1200 ft on the aft centerline of the A/C.
However, the only way to know for sure would be to mount the lights on your
A/C and check it out at night--which I hope to do in a year or two. I'll
let you know for sure then :-)
Terry
At 04:59 PM 7/2/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>Has anyone successfully installed the Kuntzleman Streamline Combo
>nav/strobe lights on a 601XL, and do the rear-facing white nav lights meet
>the FAA approved light pattern? I was originally going to install the
>round nav light in the rudder, but it adds more wiring and extra weight,
>so I=92d rather go with the combo system if I can. I like the Kuntzleman
>system because it is lightweight, has a single strobe power pack in the
>fuselage, and only draws about 3 to 4 amps total, including the strobes
>and LED nav lights. However I can=92t figure out how to verify whether the
>rear-facing white LED lights would meet the FAA approved light pattern. I
>haven=92t started on my wings yet, (I will be starting soon), but when I
>have looked at the shape of the wingtip on other XLs, it appears that the
>light mounting pads are forward of the outermost curvature of the wingtip,
>so I am concerned that the wingtip will block the view to the rear. If I
>understand it correctly, the white lights must be visible 70 degrees to
>either side of a longitudinal line through the center of the A/C at a
>distance of 1200 feet behind the A/C, but there is no practical way for me
>to check this.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Dave Van Lanen
>
>601XL ' finishing tail
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL |
Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XLDave,
I have installed the Kuntzleman Combo nav/strobe lights on my wing tips
and I had the same questions. I solved the problem by making custom
fiberglass wingtips that move the light back so that the wing won't
block the white light. See attached pictures.
Herb
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave VanLanen<mailto:davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On
601XL
Has anyone successfully installed the Kuntzleman Streamline Combo
nav/strobe lights on a 601XL, and do the rear-facing white nav lights
meet the FAA approved light pattern? I was originally going to install
the round nav light in the rudder, but it adds more wiring and extra
weight, so I'd rather go with the combo system if I can. I like the
Kuntzleman system because it is lightweight, has a single strobe power
pack in the fuselage, and only draws about 3 to 4 amps total, including
the strobes and LED nav lights. However I can't figure out how to
verify whether the rear-facing white LED lights would meet the FAA
approved light pattern. I haven't started on my wings yet, (I will be
starting soon), but when I have looked at the shape of the wingtip on
other XLs, it appears that the light mounting pads are forward of the
outermost curvature of the wingtip, so I am concerned that the wingtip
will block the view to the rear. If I understand it correctly, the
white lights must be visible 70 degrees to either side of a longitudinal
line through the center of the A/C at a distance of 1200 feet behind the
A/C, but there is no practical way for me to check this.
Any help would be appreciated.
Dave Van Lanen
601XL - finishing tail
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| Subject: | Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL |
I pulled this off the Whelen website and use it when I was designing the placement
of the AeroFlash units I am using. I fabed up a light mount at the furthest
point out on the wing taking into consideration angle of the Horner tips.
See it here:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=1683&log=43427&row=74
The whelen PDF is attached at the forum.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190983#190983
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/anit_collisionpercent20systems_875.pdf
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| Subject: | Who is going to Oshkosh? |
I am going to make the trip for a couple of days, probably Wednesday and Thursday.
Since this is my first trip, does anyone have a few pointers? Big question is
how does one find anything in that place?
Jon Burns
Little Elm, TX
601XL - working on canopy
Corvair - in pieces...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191007#191007
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| Subject: | Who is going to Oshkosh? |
If you are there Thursday night don't miss the Zenith dinner. Sadly I'll
only be there Monday and Tuesday.
http://www.zenithair.com/events.htm
"Annual Zenair Builders Dinner: Thursday July 31 2008 at 6:30 pm, Robbins
Restaurant (1810 Omro Rd, Oshkosh, WI Tel: (920) 235-2840). RSVP at the
Zenith Booth."
Also I see you are active on the MGL Stratomaster list. Aside from staff
from SportFlyingShop being there Rainier and his wife will be up from MGL HQ
in South Africa.
As to finding things there are maps and vendor booth numbers on the EAA
site:
http://www.airventure.org/2008/planning/grounds_map.html
http://www.airventure.org/2008/exhibitors/A-B_1.html
And there is a "newbies" section on the site:
http://www.airventure.org/2008/about/newbies.html
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonaburns
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:00 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Who is going to Oshkosh?
I am going to make the trip for a couple of days, probably Wednesday and
Thursday.
Since this is my first trip, does anyone have a few pointers? Big question
is how does one find anything in that place?
Jon Burns
Little Elm, TX
601XL - working on canopy
Corvair - in pieces...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191007#191007
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| Subject: | Who is going to Oshkosh? |
Hi Jon,
Watch out! You won't be able to skip a year from now on!
Fellow lister Rick Lindstrom wrote an excellent article for the August 2004
issue of KITPLANES ("VFR to Oshkosh: Strategies for a Successful Sojourn"),
which can be downloaded from Kitplanes.com.
Get the NOTAM, for sure. Lots of water - it's easy to get dehydrated. Find
the CoolSpace booth in the exhibit hangars and stand in front of their big
cooler from time to time. They have maps of what's where. I haven't tried
bread crumbs, but have been tempted when they move stuff around.
Have a great time!
Best,
Cory
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