---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/08/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:00 AM - Re: Flutter experience (Klaus Truemper) 2. 12:00 PM - place to stay in Oshkosh (Joe Scheibinger) 3. 12:09 PM - New (?) O-200s and Jabiru 3300s for sale cheap (Craig Payne) 4. 12:30 PM - It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (cookwithgas) 5. 01:19 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (Gig Giacona) 6. 02:12 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (Lawrence Webber) 7. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (Randy L. Thwing) 8. 02:23 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (Craig Payne) 9. 02:36 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (dingfelder) 10. 03:04 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (Jay Maynard) 11. 04:39 PM - Re: New (?) O-200s and Jabiru 3300s for sale cheap (steve) 12. 04:44 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (LHusky@aol.com) 13. 05:06 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (thesumak@aol.com) 14. 05:12 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (Andrewlieser) 15. 05:24 PM - XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (Andrewlieser) 16. 06:20 PM - Re: metallurgical test (bcchurch) 17. 06:34 PM - Re: Rudder Light Custom Fairing (leinad) 18. 06:36 PM - Tool list for the 601HDS (LarryMcFarland) 19. 06:46 PM - Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (LarryMcFarland) 20. 10:37 PM - Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (Leo Gates) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:07 AM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flutter experience Hi, A short time ago Philip Welsch told me about a flutter incidence in his 601XL. He stopped it by reducing power and pulling up. When I looked at the aileron cables recently, they seemed properly tensioned. Happy flying, Klaus ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:18 PM PST US From: "Joe Scheibinger" Subject: Zenith-List: place to stay in Oshkosh If anyone is looking for a place to stay in Oshkosh, my neighbor is offering her home. They have moved into a new home and the house is up for sale. It's a fairly new home in a subdivision with 3 bedrooms, 2 full bath, remodeled basement, air conditioned, close to the airport They moved out 2 weeks ago and it's very clean and up for sale. Full laundry. Lots of parking space and you can party with the neighbors, a bunch of Viggen and 601 XL builders! $100 per day with a $700 minimum. If you are interested call Malissa at 920-410-3282 or you can call me at 920-237-1450 and I will set it up for you. Joe in Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:48 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: New (?) O-200s and Jabiru 3300s for sale cheap This is not my ad, I just saw it on Barnstormers. Indus is selling 5 "new, in the crate" 3300s for $14,200. "NEW JABIRU3300 CONT 0-200 . ASKING PRICE SLASHED . Champ and Cub owners New In crate 5 new 0-200 Continental engines. Homebuilders......New in crate 5 New 3300 Jabiru Engines We have an over stock of Jabiru and Continental engines...this is new stock never been opened. 14,500.00 for the 0-200 and 14,200.00 for the Jabiru 3300 engines. This is a rare opportunity to freshen up that existing aircraft.. Get an engine for your project ....cheap. They will not last at this price. Please ask for Aldo Sibi Director Of Production. (Engines are in Crate ready to ship) . Contact Al Sibi - INDUS AVIATION, Broker - located Dallas , TX USA . Telephone: 1-877-464-6387 . Fax: 214-337-6388 . Posted July 8, 2008" http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=258004 AOL users, use this link: http://www.barnstor mers.com/listing.php?id=258004 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride From: "cookwithgas" Hi Guys: Many of you have been a part of my journey to build my airplane and learn to fly it - I truly appreciate all of the encouragement and tips. The airplane is performing well and I have completed all of my training. I solo'd two weeks ago and my cross-country solo was completed last weekend. Next week I take my check ride with an examiner. For those of you that have been through this can you email me some ideas of how to prepare? Are there any "lessons learned" you can share with me that you wish you had done in advance to the check ride? Thanks, Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair Omaha, Nebraska www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191803#191803 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride From: "Gig Giacona" The oral will be the harder of the two part test. At least it was back in the 70's when I got my PPL. Don't try to impress the examiner with how much you know. Answer the question as asked. Much like being deposed for a court case. If he asks you what 2 + 2 equals the answer is 4 not why the answer is 4 unless he asks. I have watched people getting tested blow an oral by giving the right answer and the wrong reason for it when the reason wasn't asked in the first place. As for the ride. You won't be asked to do anything you haven't been doing for a while now. Just enjoy the flight. It's no different than the last one you take with your instructor. You know the plane better than 99.9999% of people the examiner is ever going to test. Get a good night's rest the night before and as I said enjoy the flight. It is just one of many many more in your future. cookwithgas wrote: > Hi Guys: > > Many of you have been a part of my journey to build my airplane and learn to fly it - I truly appreciate all of the encouragement and tips. The airplane is performing well and I have completed all of my training. I solo'd two weeks ago and my cross-country solo was completed last weekend. > > Next week I take my check ride with an examiner. For those of you that have been through this can you email me some ideas of how to prepare? Are there any "lessons learned" you can share with me that you wish you had done in advance to the check ride? > > Thanks, > > Scott Laughlin > 601XL/Corvair > Omaha, Nebraska > www.cooknwithgas.com -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191815#191815 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:54 PM PST US From: Lawrence Webber Subject: RE: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride been there done that use check lists use safety lists repeat repeat if he /she asks you to perform a task and it is unsafe refuse=2C you are the pilot in command if in doub t of any task you are asked to do ask oh yeah use safety lists use check lists and make sure you perform a good thorough pre flite of all paperwork ARROW and flite plan and aircraft do this while he / she is watching and DONT FORGET TO USE CHECK LISTS AND AND SAFETY LISTS have a great flight Larry > Subject: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check R ide> From: cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Tue=2C 8 Jul 2008 12:27:08 -0700> ithgas" > > Hi Guys:> > Many of you have been a pa rt of my journey to build my airplane and learn to fly it - I truly appreci ate all of the encouragement and tips. The airplane is performing well and I have completed all of my training. I solo'd two weeks ago and my cross-co untry solo was completed last weekend. > > Next week I take my check ride w ith an examiner. For those of you that have been through this can you email me some ideas of how to prepare? Are there any "lessons learned" you can s hare with me that you wish you had done in advance to the check ride?> > Th anks=2C> > Scott Laughlin> 601XL/Corvair> Omaha=2C Nebraska> www.cooknwithg as.com> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com =====================> > > _________________________________________________________________ The i=92m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:38 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride Do not archive A good friend, during his PPL flight test, was asked some Nav question that he couldn't readily answer and got rattled. He called off the test half way through. If you are asked to do something like demonstrate a short field landing and blow it, tell the Examiner "I can do this, let's go around again and I'll show you". Then do it. Even if things seem to go all wrong, don't quit, fly the airplane! Above all, the Examiner wants to know that whatever goes wrong, you will bring your ship and the Innocents that climbed aboard safely home. You're joining the proud tradition of American Pilots, you'll do just fine. Best Regards, Randy, Las Vegas Are there any "lessons learned" you can share with me that you wish you had done in advance to the check ride? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott Laughlin > > 601XL/Corvair > > Omaha, Nebraska > > www.cooknwithgas.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:13 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride If possible know the area of the flight beforehand and pick out good landing spots for your simulated engine-out. Be prepared to justify your choice. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:54 PM PST US From: "dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride Scott, "Runway Encroachment" is a major current issue. My examiner, after the test, told me if I hadn't stopped properly at the stop bars and carefully looked both ways before entering the runway, the test would have been over. The other big issue (this was in crowded Florida airspace) was "clearing" the area before performing maneuvers. And relax, you'll do fine. Lynn Corry, PA 601XL/Corvair complete, now painting ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:46 PM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 12:27:08PM -0700, cookwithgas wrote: > Next week I take my check ride with an examiner. For those of you that > have been through this can you email me some ideas of how to prepare? Are > there any "lessons learned" you can share with me that you wish you had > done in advance to the check ride? 1) Leave your ego on the ramp. He cares much more that you're a safe pilot than that you can salvage that rotten landing. If you think it's going to suck, don't be afraid to go around. He's testing your judgment just as much as your flying skills. 2) Don't be afraid to admit you don't know, or haven't done, something. That's much better than trying to BS your way through it. My examiner asked me if I'd ever landed on a grass strip - and when I told him I hadn't, we did a touch and go at one just so he could show me that it's really not all that much different. 3) That ties into something that may not be universal, but should be: Treat it as a learning experience. There are minimum test standards, and then there are things you're not expected to know well. Just do your best, and don't sweat the small stuff. Unless you do something grossly unsafe, a few mistakes won't sink you. 4) Be proud of your airplane, and unafraid to show it off on the ground... just make sure it's airworthy first. You put a lot of work into it, and you've got every right to be proud of it. Examiners are aviators, too, and he's almost certainly going to be interested to look it over. Your CFI should know what the examiner will expect, and what he does and how he does it. He's not going to sign you off until you're ready. Take his word for it, and you'll do fine. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:17 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New (?) O-200s and Jabiru 3300s for sale cheap SCAM.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: New (?) O-200s and Jabiru 3300s for sale cheap > > This is not my ad, I just saw it on Barnstormers. Indus is selling 5 "new, > in the crate" 3300s for $14,200. > > "NEW JABIRU3300 CONT 0-200 . ASKING PRICE SLASHED . Champ and Cub owners > New > In crate 5 new 0-200 Continental engines. Homebuilders......New in crate 5 > New 3300 Jabiru Engines We have an over stock of Jabiru and Continental > engines...this is new stock never been opened. 14,500.00 for the 0-200 and > 14,200.00 for the Jabiru 3300 engines. This is a rare opportunity to > freshen > up that existing aircraft.. Get an engine for your project ....cheap. They > will not last at this price. Please ask for Aldo Sibi Director Of > Production. (Engines are in Crate ready to ship) . Contact Al Sibi - > INDUS > AVIATION, Broker - located Dallas , TX USA . Telephone: 1-877-464-6387 . > Fax: 214-337-6388 . Posted July 8, 2008" > > http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=258004 > > AOL users, use this link: > > href="http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=258004">http://www.barnstor > mers.com/listing.php?id=258004 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:42 PM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride Scott, I prepared for everything and still found myself stumbling with answers. The airport crew grilled me for 2 weeks and I could knock out the answer easy. When the day of the test came, it was nerves that got me. I had a very turbulent day and that did not help me. Know your airspace and the charts. At least know where to find the information. The hardest part of the flying portion was the short field landing and flying under the hood. I don't think you have to fly under the hood as a Sport Pilot, but if the examiner weights a lot different than your instructor, go around a few times to get a feel what the plane is doing. My examiner weighted 80 lbs more than my instructor and the plane acted different. I went around 4 times before I nailed the landing right in the middle. The examiner never said a thing about going around. The only other thing that stuck out in my mind was when I was doing my steep turns. I was doing my steep turn and halfway through the turn, a huge gust of wind, them my Cessna perpendicular to the ground. Without thinking, I brought the plane back and broke out of the turn. The examiner asked me why I broke out of the turn. I thought it was obvious, and him asking the question kind of rattled me. He then told me to head back to the airport, which scared the hell out of me. Once we had landed, he announced on the radio that I was the newest private pilot. I was shocked and told him that I thought I had flunked the check ride due to breaking out of the steep turn. He told me that he was looking for a decision when that happened and that I had made the right decision to terminate the turn and fly the plane. So, even if you think you have blown the test, keep flying the plane and keep going. One thing I found different than other people experienced, was the fact that my examiner did not want me to explain what I was doing. He wanted me to say things I would say to a passenger and treat him as if he had never flown before. That was cool with me. Kept me from fumbling with the words. You will do fine! Good luck! Larry Husky Madras, Oregon In a message dated 7/8/2008 12:31:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM writes: Hi Guys: Many of you have been a part of my journey to build my airplane and learn to fly it - I truly appreciate all of the encouragement and tips. The airplane is performing well and I have completed all of my training. I solo'd two weeks ago and my cross-country solo was completed last weekend. Next week I take my check ride with an examiner. For those of you that have been through this can you email me some ideas of how to prepare? Are there any "lessons learned" you can share with me that you wish you had done in advance to the check ride? **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:55 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride From: thesumak@aol.com Hi Scott, Went through it not so long ago.? It helps is to get off to a good start and given your circumstance, you will certainly do that.? The examiner will probably first look over your airplane it's records.? The examiner will also probably want to see a weight and balance calculation for your specific check ride flight. This may sound strange, but you might e-mail ahead of time to get your examiners weight so that you can do a very precise weight and balance.? My examiner was large and with my airplane, we had to go with less than full tanks.? This may be too late for you, but I took my written exam just before my check ride.? That way, all the studying was parlayed to help with both written and oral tests.?? The whole thing will be much easier that the demons in your head would have you believe.? I'll bet you a beer that you make it through with no problems. Cheers, Bill 601xl do not archive Scott asked: ? For those of you that have been through this can you email me some ideas of how to prepare? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride From: "Andrewlieser" Lots of good advice already! My 2 cents worth is trust yourself and your instincts and you'll do fine! The day of my PPL checkride the weather was scattered thunderstorms and 3-5 visibility. To top it off my checkride was in Kenosha WI and I was flying from Aurora IL which meant I had to navigate around busy Chicago class B airspace. My checkride was supposed to be at 1 in the afternoon but by 12 I knew that while it was legal to fly then it was not smart so I called and my examiner luckily said he had an open schedule and to come once I THOUGHT the weather was good enough. Once I got there I could tell he was already satisfied in my ability to make the right decision and not the rushed one. As for the oral I did get asked some question about if I would take a passenger flying who had recently been scuba diving (to 2 certain depths ( I don't remember what they were)) I was terrified in one moment I had gone from cruising through this to sweaty palms. At that point I told the instructor that I did NOT know the answer to that but if the situation presented itself I would consult my FAR/AIM, which I always keep in my plane, before hand. So he said alright lets go look it up and we did. I believe this was just another test of my decision making abilities to make sure I would be safe rather than make a rash decision. On the checkride itself your examiner will try and distract at some point generally when he or she knows that something important needs to be done soon. Laslty remember that you are the pilot in command of your aircraft unless the examiner advises you otherwise. After we landed my examiner asked if he could open the door to let some air in and I said no (not until the engine is safely off) he insisted about 3 more times before the engine shut down and I continued to tell him no because he was my responsibility. I still don't know if he was really that hot or he was testing me to this day but I do know that I have my license and thats because I kept each situation controlable. ahhhh! h sorry if that drug on but it will be one of the best feelings in your life once you pass and you wont be able to resist telling your stories as well GOOD LUCK! -------- Andrew Lieser S/N 6-7045 http://websites.expercraft.com/andrewlieser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191856#191856 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... From: "Andrewlieser" Anyone interested in a set of XL plans that currently has HDS plans? I have decided to try and switch my project from a XL to an HDS if anyone wants to swap. Mainly because I would like the option to go with a smaller engine if I want to. I do not need my aircraft to be sport pilot certificated and prefer the HDS to the HD. Please let me know! -------- Andrew Lieser S/N 6-7045 http://websites.expercraft.com/andrewlieser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191862#191862 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: metallurgical test From: "bcchurch" Carlos, I'm a materials engineer and would like to offer my advice. What you should do is confirm a) chemical composition and b) mechanical properties. Chemical composition can be done easily via ICP or OES and your sample is definitely large enough for either test. The price you listed seemed reasonable - just make sure the lab gives you actual results and not just a "meets 6061" statement. You want to know actual weight percent of silicon, magnesium, iron, manganese, etc. The more difficult issue for you is mechanical properties. The 6061-T6 spec calls out yield, tensile, and elongation which are all determined via a standard tensile test. As you already know, the size of your sample is too small to perform a tensile test. My opinion is that you should ask for hardness tests on your unknown sample as well as a known 6061-T6 of the same thickness. Hardness is not the ideal way to do this - but given your situation it's the best-possible way. If chemistry checks out, then go ahead with the hardness tests. If the hardness results of the known and unknown are similar (I very much doubt they will be exactly equal) then I'd say you're good to assume your 6061 is indeed T6. I'd also double check the hardness results of both known and unknown samples versus "handbook" values for 6061-T6 for added comfort. The hardness tests would not be definitive proof - but it would be good enough for me if I were in your shoes. Hope this helps. Feel free to email me at bcchurch-at-yahoo.com if you have any questions. Regards, Ben -------- Ben Church CH801 Racine, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191869#191869 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Light Custom Fairing From: "leinad" Dave, I fabricated a fairing for my rudder light in aluminum. Look at the empenage section of my website. http://daniel.dempseyfamily.net Dan dvanlanen wrote: > Has anyone successfully fabricated a rudder light fairing for a 601XL? If so, do you have any details that you could share? I think I may be going with a tail light instead of the combo wing tip lights, and I would like to use the new Kuntzleman round combo tail / strobe light, however the Zenith fiberglass fairing appears to be a little too small for this light fixture. > Craig referred me to an example of a 701 with a nice aluminum fairing, but it was quite large, and I would prefer to keep it as small as possible for the faster 601XL. > Thanks for any help you can provide. > Dave Van Lanen > 601XL finishing tail > > From: "Craig Payne" > > Subject: rudder light (http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=68177633?KEYS=taillight_fairing?LISTNAME=Zenith?HITNUMBER=1?SERIAL=18500516212?SHOWBUTTONS=NO) > > Date: Feb 22, 2008 > > > If you want to save power Kuntzleman has a new LED taillight: > http://www.kestrobes.com/heads.htm#NEW_ITEM! (http://www.kestrobes.com/heads.htm) > Also the fiberglass taillight fairing from Zenith is not a great fit for > some taillights. Others have bent up their own from Al sheet. > -- Craig > > [b]-- -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191870#191870 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:59 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Tool list for the 601HDS Hi guys, I just finished an AOPA article on tools for minor emergencies like a flat tire, cracked canopy, a dinged wing or prop, belt or electrical problem. Id started one, but after reading this article I visited Harbor Freight, ORiellys and Farm and Fleet. The tools, spares, bag, and rags weigh in at 10lbs. I spent a little over $50.00 for the tools I didnt have, bought lightest and least costly where possible and only good wrenches and sockets where necessary. I looked over my motorcycle tool kit for what constitutes /essential /before hand. It was probably worth the effort if only for peace of mind. Do "yard-sale" the sockets and wrenches that don't fit anything on the plane. TOOL KIT FOR THE 601HDS w/Stratus Subaru EA-81 Tire inner-tube replacement w/valve core and core removal tool. Tire gage slider type 4-inch Tube silicone sealant Spark plug gapping tool Tube anti-seize 6-inch adjustable wrench Pliers, long nose, duck bill and wire cutter Vise grips medium Hammer, Small (kept in the tie-downs bag) Screw driver, 4-in-1 combination, flat, Phillips, one right angle Awl, 6-inch, 0 to 5/16-inch-dia. Hex wrenches, metric and AS Torque wrench 3/8-inch max 200 inch-lbs Feeler gages - set valves Small open-end wrenches 8mm-19mm Open-end wrench set 3/8 - -inch Socket set -inch with medium sockets 1/4-inch thru 3/4-inch With 3/8 to -inch socket adapter Spark plug socket 13/16-inch Batteries 8 pack AA Flashlight with 2 AA batteries Voltmeter with continuity tone Oil Filter wrench strap type with 10-inch x in dia. extension w/tee Fuses, 3-5-7.5-10-15-20 amp Tie-ties, 8-inch 12-pc Duct tape, new 100-inch roll .032 safety wire x 36-inch coiled Hand cleaner packets (10) Rags zip locked bagged shop rags and micro-fiber towels 4-each 3-oz sealed container, 10 washers, cotters 2 bolts, 8 screws, 4 nuts, 24-inches Tefzel 16-ga wire and 2-each common electrical terminals. 1 radiator hose elbow, 1 hose clamp, 1 pump belt. Nylon Bag with zippers and belted nylon handles, 6 x 6 x 13-inches Total weight = 10-lbs Each of you would obviously have only similar requirements, so......... Anyway, do fly safe guys, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:52 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... Andrew, You can certainly switch from the XL to a HDS, but the smaller engine works against you for the wing area and cross section of the HDS. You do need at least a 100 hp engine for the HDS to perform well if you intend passengers and or multiple fuel tanks. You may meet the LSA performance requirements if you pay attention to weight and prop pitch combinations and if you are a scratch builder, because you record the data you find. Otherwise, you adhere to Zenith numbers that are just a bit the far side of LSA. Good luck, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Andrewlieser wrote: > > Anyone interested in a set of XL plans that currently has HDS plans? I have decided to try and switch my project from a XL to an HDS if anyone wants to swap. Mainly because I would like the option to go with a smaller engine if I want to. I do not need my aircraft to be sport pilot certificated and prefer the HDS to the HD. Please let me know! > > -------- > Andrew Lieser > S/N 6-7045 > http://websites.expercraft.com/andrewlieser > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:38 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... Andrew, I have to take exception to a couple of Larry's statements. I have a HDS tail dragger with a 80 hp Rotax 912. It weighs 674 Lbs. empty. It cruses at 125 mph indicated at max continuous power, verified by GPS. 118 mph at 75% power, 1100 Lbs. It stalls at 50 mph. If you build the plane, kit or scratch, the FAA says you are the builder and you write the POH. I have two leading edge tanks, 20 gal. total, giving 5 hrs duration. The wife and I both have three hour bladders so that is plenty of fuel. Zenith numbers are theirs, not yours. Leo Gates N601Z - CH601HDS TDO Rotax 912UL LarryMcFarland wrote: > > Andrew, > You can certainly switch from the XL to a HDS, but the smaller engine > works against you for the wing area and cross section of the HDS. You > do need at least a 100 hp > engine for the HDS to perform well if you intend passengers and or > multiple fuel tanks. You may meet the LSA performance requirements if > you pay attention to weight and prop pitch combinations and if you are > a scratch builder, because you record the data you find. Otherwise, > you adhere to Zenith numbers that are just a bit the far side of LSA. > > Good luck, > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > Andrewlieser wrote: >> >> >> Anyone interested in a set of XL plans that currently has HDS plans? >> I have decided to try and switch my project from a XL to an HDS if >> anyone wants to swap. Mainly because I would like the option to go >> with a smaller engine if I want to. I do not need my aircraft to be >> sport pilot certificated and prefer the HDS to the HD. Please let me >> know! >> >> -------- >> Andrew Lieser >> S/N 6-7045 >> http://websites.expercraft.com/andrewlieser ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.