---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/09/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:55 AM - Re: New (?) O-200s and Jabiru 3300s for sale cheap (Iberplanes IGL) 2. 03:04 AM - Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (Peter Barthold) 3. 06:19 AM - Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (Carlos Sa) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (Klaus Truemper) 5. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (Bill Naumuk) 6. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (Leo Gates) 7. 11:36 AM - For sale: Zenith Amphib floats, 912 & airframe kit, Garmin 196 (Jon Croke) 8. 12:17 PM - Re: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride (John Reinking) 9. 12:38 PM - Re: For sale: Zenith Amphib floats, 912 & airframe kit, Garmin 196 (Bill Naumuk) 10. 05:44 PM - Re: Rudder Light Custom Fairing (leinad) 11. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (LarryMcFarland) 12. 08:00 PM - Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... (LarryMcFarland) 13. 08:16 PM - Oshkosh or bust? (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:23 AM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New (?) O-200s and Jabiru 3300s for sale cheap yeah sure, that is why I paid 12500 u$s for my jabiru 3300 new, still in crate an with the original wrap on it, that I bought on Barnstormers. The ower a great guy let it go because he was unable to monted on his Pulsar II. BTW, he sent it to Barcelona Spain from Red Londge Montana. If you have time and confidence, you can get real bargains on the net. Bye!! 2008/7/9 steve : > > SCAM.... > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" > To: "Craig Payne" > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:03 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: New (?) O-200s and Jabiru 3300s for sale cheap > > >> >> This is not my ad, I just saw it on Barnstormers. Indus is selling 5 "new, >> in the crate" 3300s for $14,200. >> >> "NEW JABIRU3300 CONT 0-200 . ASKING PRICE SLASHED . Champ and Cub owners >> New >> In crate 5 new 0-200 Continental engines. Homebuilders......New in crate 5 >> New 3300 Jabiru Engines We have an over stock of Jabiru and Continental >> engines...this is new stock never been opened. 14,500.00 for the 0-200 and >> 14,200.00 for the Jabiru 3300 engines. This is a rare opportunity to >> freshen >> up that existing aircraft.. Get an engine for your project ....cheap. They >> will not last at this price. Please ask for Aldo Sibi Director Of >> Production. (Engines are in Crate ready to ship) . Contact Al Sibi - >> INDUS >> AVIATION, Broker - located Dallas , TX USA . Telephone: 1-877-464-6387 . >> Fax: 214-337-6388 . Posted July 8, 2008" >> >> http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=258004 >> >> AOL users, use this link: >> >> > href="http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=258004"> >> http://www.barnstor >> mers.com/listing.php?id=258004 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... From: "Peter Barthold" speaking about HDS leading edge tanks... did you gentlemen buy or build your LE- tanks? does it make sense to build them ? or would you prefer to spend the 800$ to have them fabricated ? are there plans anywhere? (unfortunately zenith does not sell plans for le tanks) Andrew, looking at the size and picture of your workshop, I would consider the HDS a better choice than the XL. The wing panels are significantly smaller and more easy to handle. This was the main reason for me to prefer the HDS. OTOH the HDS unfortunately is not supported and updated as the XL is. No QBK, no CAD machining of kit parts and so on. Best greetings from Germany Peter HDS TDO Tail done, Wings in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191915#191915 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:11 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... Wouldn't operating altitude be a factor for engine choice?? Carlos just being nosy... 2008/7/9 Leo Gates : > > Andrew, I have to take exception to a couple of Larry's statements. I > have a HDS tail dragger with a 80 hp Rotax 912. It weighs 674 Lbs. empty. > It cruses at 125 mph indicated at max continuous power, verified by GPS. > 118 mph at 75% power, 1100 Lbs. It stalls at 50 mph. If you build the > plane, kit or scratch, the FAA says you are the builder and you write the > POH. I have two leading edge tanks, 20 gal. total, giving 5 hrs duration. > The wife and I both have three hour bladders so that is plenty of fuel. > Zenith numbers are theirs, not yours. > > Leo Gates > N601Z - CH601HDS TDO > Rotax 912UL > > LarryMcFarland wrote: > >> >> Andrew, >> You can certainly switch from the XL to a HDS, but the smaller engine >> works against you for the wing area and cross section of the HDS. You do >> need at least a 100 hp >> engine for the HDS to perform well if you intend passengers and or >> multiple fuel tanks. You may meet the LSA performance requirements if you >> pay attention to weight and prop pitch combinations and if you are a scratch >> builder, because you record the data you find. Otherwise, you adhere to >> Zenith numbers that are just a bit the far side of LSA. >> >> Good luck, >> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> do not archive >> >> Andrewlieser wrote: >> >>> Andrewlieser@gmail.com> >>> >>> Anyone interested in a set of XL plans that currently has HDS plans? I >>> have decided to try and switch my project from a XL to an HDS if anyone >>> wants to swap. Mainly because I would like the option to go with a smaller >>> engine if I want to. I do not need my aircraft to be sport pilot >>> certificated and prefer the HDS to the HD. Please let me know! >>> >>> -------- >>> Andrew Lieser >>> S/N 6-7045 >>> http://websites.expercraft.com/andrewlieser >>> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:47 AM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... Hi Andrew, I like to confirm Leo's claims about the HDS. My HDS has the 80 hp Rotax, has 17,000 ft ceiling with single pilot and 14,000 ft ceiling at 1,100 lbs, takes off in less than 3,000 ft of runway at 9,500 ft density altitude, has top speed of 113 kts, and cruises at 90-100 kts depending on how much fuel I want to spend per hour. The key is to keep the weight down, and by that I mean DOWN. On top of that, I found wing root fairings to be important. It may well be that some folks will not agree with the above evaluation, and you should take my email just for what it is: my opinion. Best wishes for the construction, Klaus ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:03 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... All- 1. Larry Mac built his own, but it's easy to infer from the pictures on his site and reading his log that it's neither cost effective to do it yourself nor a job for the faint of heart. 2. The most significant thing ANY builder can do is take a couple of days off and build a cradle on casters for the fuse. My shop is 14'x28'. Take a look at my fairly recent attached pictures- think I could live without the cradle? Yes, I have workbenches at both ends- another big plus. If you're scratchbuilding, you're better off with the HDS because you can get by with a shorter brake. 3. HDS parts are supported, but the plans and manual haven't been updated in years. In my opinion, matched hole CAD doesn't mean squat, but preformed upper longerons and injection molded lower nose gear mounts and the like will save you untold hours of work and lost sleep. Bottom line is, they're both 601s, and the two aircraft have similar performance. The HDS might wind up being a bit less in total outlay, but the XL can be built in at least 20% less time. Good building! Bill > did you gentlemen buy or build your LE- tanks? > does it make sense to build them ? > or would you prefer to spend the 800$ to have them fabricated ? > are there plans anywhere? (unfortunately zenith does not sell plans for le > tanks) > > Andrew, looking at the size and picture of your workshop, I would consider > the HDS a better choice than the XL. The wing panels are significantly > smaller and more easy to handle. This was the main reason for me to prefer > the HDS. > > OTOH the HDS unfortunately is not supported and updated as the XL is. No > QBK, no CAD machining of kit parts and so on. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:25 AM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... I bought mine from Zenith. Leo Gates N601Z - CH601HDS TDO Rotax 912UL Peter Barthold wrote: > > speaking about HDS leading edge tanks... > > did you gentlemen buy or build your LE- tanks? > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:32 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: For sale: Zenith Amphib floats, 912 & airframe kit, Garmin 196 Need some amphib floats? Need an almost finished kit that includes a 912 with 100 hrs on it - both for less than $20K? Take a look at the new For Sale listings at www.zenair.org - click on the News & Resources link (NO membership required to view these) I just today added these and other new listings. Jon ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:31 PM PST US From: John Reinking Subject: Re: Zenith-List: It all comes down to this - the Sport Pilot Check Ride The oral part wasn't bad at all. Was told to prepare for a cross country (examiner chose destination). Did a lot of review of regulations in the AFR and AIMs. Also took time to review the aircraft POH and checklists. In the oral exam, the details of the cross-country including a lot of minutiae (sp?) were asked especially to verify knowledge of how to interpret the Sectionals. He asked me a few questions about meteorology, weights and balances, flight planning and the Sport Pilot licence, it's limitations, etc. I handled it as a simple conversation between us including details my instructor had mentioned during flight lessons. Went very smoothly and with no problems. I told him that I understood his position and mine, so let's begin. The checkride was just like a pre-solo review with no surprise "problems" (like pulling the throttle back or being too gossipy. We did all of the required manuevers, communications, emergency landing preparations (down to about 250 feet). My DPE did not talk during the flight (other than ordering specific manuevers or questioning my knowledge of safety, from preflight to landing and tie-down. I knew that he was especially interested in flight safety above all and in my attitudes when PIC. Since the cockpit was sterile I talked thru each manuever describing it's purpose and how the manuever was performed and any possible errors that might arise if done incorrectly. Frankly I just wanted to be sure that he would find my completion of the manuever, and my knowledge of it of some value. Like others have said, handle it like just another pre-solo review. A very pleasant experience. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:01 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: For sale: Zenith Amphib floats, 912 & airframe kit, Garmin 196 Jon, et al- This is shaping up to be a very impressive site! My congratulations to everyone. Go to get back to work- only 4 days of vacation left! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Croke To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: Zenith-List: For sale: Zenith Amphib floats, 912 & airframe kit, Garmin 196 Need some amphib floats? Need an almost finished kit that includes a 912 with 100 hrs on it - both for less than $20K? Take a look at the new For Sale listings at www.zenair.org - click on the News & Resources link (NO membership required to view these) I just today added these and other new listings. Jon ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:25 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Light Custom Fairing From: "leinad" All, I apologize for the error in my web address. It should have said: http://daniel.dempseyfamily.us The rudder light fairing is on the empenage page. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192052#192052 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:39 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... Hi Peter, I think it's silly to buy the tanks if you have the motivation and access to equipment that would enable building them yourself. I built mine and have been totally satisfied with them, especially being of a slightly heavier gage. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Peter Barthold wrote: > > speaking about HDS leading edge tanks... > > did you gentlemen buy or build your LE- tanks? > does it make sense to build them ? > or would you prefer to spend the 800$ to have them fabricated ? > are there plans anywhere? (unfortunately zenith does not sell plans for le tanks) > > Andrew, looking at the size and picture of your workshop, I would consider the HDS a better choice than the XL. The wing panels are significantly smaller and more easy to handle. This was the main reason for me to prefer the HDS. > > OTOH the HDS unfortunately is not supported and updated as the XL is. No QBK, no CAD machining of kit parts and so on. > > Best greetings from Germany > Peter > HDS TDO > Tail done, Wings in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191915#191915 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:34 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL plans trade for HDS plans anyone... You're exactly right Leo, and I perhaps overstated the difference between the XL and the HDS, tho the XL beats us hands down with equivalent engine and weight with the advantage of wing area and a better chord for speed. That said, the typical HDS is a lot heavier than yours and not many of those I've seen would perform as well as yours has done with the 80 hp Rotax. On the POH numbers for LSA performance, I hope you're right. At airworthiness, my inspector explained that a kit built came with performance numbers. Thanks, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > 2008/7/9 Leo Gates >: > > > > > Andrew, I have to take exception to a couple of Larry's > statements. I have a HDS tail dragger with a 80 hp Rotax 912. It > weighs 674 Lbs. empty. It cruses at 125 mph indicated at max > continuous power, verified by GPS. 118 mph at 75% power, 1100 > Lbs. It stalls at 50 mph. If you build the plane, kit or > scratch, the FAA says you are the builder and you write the POH. > I have two leading edge tanks, 20 gal. total, giving 5 hrs > duration. The wife and I both have three hour bladders so that is > plenty of fuel. Zenith numbers are theirs, not yours. > > Leo Gates > N601Z - CH601HDS TDO > Rotax 912UL > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh or bust? From: "Ron Lendon" Gang, I am planning on riding the Larry Mac "Light Sport Recumbent" to Oshkosh this year. If I can find safe roads to travel The bike trip will begin in Manitowoc. Below is a picture of my Self Propelled Mobile Home on it's first shake down ride. Got 20 miles in and I think I might be able to do this. Do Not Archive -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192075#192075 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mobilehome_0071_198.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.