---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/12/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:44 AM - Re: XL wing installation (Edward Moody II) 2. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: XL wing installation (Craig Spainhower) 3. 07:46 AM - HDS BFR (601corvair) 4. 09:49 AM - Re: HDS BFR (Paul Mulwitz) 5. 10:05 AM - Re: HDS BFR (Jay Maynard) 6. 11:27 AM - Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Pete Krotje) 7. 02:22 PM - Inspection note (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 8. 04:59 PM - Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Dave VanLanen) 9. 04:59 PM - Re: Who is going to Oshkosh? (ThisOne) 10. 05:04 PM - Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Dave VanLanen) 11. 09:14 PM - Hand Sewn Leather Seats (leinad) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:37 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL wing installation I used an engine hoist which lifted a yoke made from 2" aluminum square tube that I had left over from wing and fuselage building. I had used the square tubes as supports while jigging and building those parts. I cut slots in both ends of the square tube to accept 1" ratchetcing web straps and drilled a 1/2" hole vertically in the center of the square tube for a lynch pin where the hook of the hoist attaches to it. I used 2 x 4 blocks at the wing's trailing edge and suspended the wing with the ailerons and flaps off. The hoist provides vertical adjustability and since it has roller casters, it can be moved with reasonable precision. You have to establish the right balance point span-wise for the web straps. That being said, I trimmed a little at a time, many many times to creep up on the final cut. Ed 601XL/Jabiru 3300 Painting ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:55 AM PST US From: "Craig Spainhower" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL wing installation Thanks to all for the response on installing the wing. I had an engine hoist at my previous location but don't have one available now so I will probably use a combination of saw horse and table with cushions for protection. Craig S. N601XS ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:51 AM PST US From: 601corvair Subject: Zenith-List: HDS BFR Anyone know where I can get a BFR in a HDS? All dual, NO SOLO. At this point , location is not an issue. I'll pay all instructional expenses, at a premium. I need to be FAR compliant, but just. Contact off list for advice at: airvair601@yahoo.com thanks phill hartig ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:48 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS BFR Hi Phil, I don't think it matters what sort of plane you get your BFR in. I just got one (my first ever) in a C-150. That means I can now legally do the first flight in my XL. Contrary to many comments I have heard at FBOs, the BFR is not a test. It is merely a little bit of continuing training for licensed pilots. The notion is that training doesn't forever end when you take your check ride. I may need some actual time in a Zodiac to satisfy insurance requirements, but that doesn't relate to the choice of equipment for the BFR. Paul XL getting close At 07:44 AM 7/12/2008, you wrote: >Anyone know where I can get a BFR in a HDS? All dual, NO SOLO. >At this point , location is not an issue. I'll pay all >instructional expenses, at a premium. I need to be FAR compliant, >but just. Contact off list for advice at: > >airvair601@yahoo.com > >thanks phill hartig > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:04 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS BFR On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 09:44:15AM -0700, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > I may need some actual time in a Zodiac to satisfy insurance > requirements, but that doesn't relate to the choice of equipment for the > BFR. Indeed. When I was shopping, they all wanted 5 hours of dual in a Zodiac before I soloed. AVEMCO agreed to drop that to 3 hours of dual with a CFI and 2 with the AMD factory test pilot once they saw his stats; I don't know if the previous 3 being my BFR made a difference or not. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:28 AM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL The lights in the photo are not Kuntzleman but are the LED wingtip Nav / Strobe manufactured by GS-Air. See them at www.gs-air.com Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL [OFF-LINE] Hi Dave A couple of picts of combo lights. I was at the Arlington Flyin today and noticed the lights on the Jabiru LSA A/C. They are the GS-Air/Kunzleman variety. Take a look at the attached photos. If they are legal on the Jabiru, I cannot believe they could not be mounted with at least as good rearward visibility on the 601XL. Terry At 04:59 PM 7/2/2008 -0500, you wrote: Has anyone successfully installed the Kuntzleman Streamline Combo nav/strobe lights on a 601XL, and do the rear-facing white nav lights meet the FAA approved light pattern? I was originally going to install the round nav light in the rudder, but it adds more wiring and extra weight, so I'd rather go with the combo system if I can. I like the Kuntzleman system because it is lightweight, has a single strobe power pack in the fuselage, and only draws about 3 to 4 amps total, including the strobes and LED nav lights. However I can't figure out how to verify whether the rear-facing white LED lights would meet the FAA approved light pattern. I haven't started on my wings yet, (I will be starting soon), but when I have looked at the shape of the wingtip on other XLs, it appears that the light mounting pads are forward of the outermost curvature of the wingtip, so I am concerned that the wingtip will block the view to the rear. If I understand it correctly, the white lights must be visible 70 degrees to either side of a longitudinal line through the center of the A/C at a distance of 1200 feet behind the A/C, but there is no practical way for me to check this. Any help would be appreciated. Dave Van Lanen 601XL - finishing tail Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:38 PM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection note 601 XL i finished up the Conditional on my bird yesterday. > i discovered a problem at the rear spar attach point on the right wing. > the fitting on the fuselage slides between 2 rivets ( top & bottom ) on > the rear spar. > on my right wing the bottom rivet was into the fuselage attach fitting > about 1/8" causing a serious bending load and stress point on the attach fitting. > please look at yours thru the small rectangular holes in front of the rear > spar attach bolt. i would think it could cause a crack in time. we checked 2 other A/C in the area and found one of the two had the same problem. i can send a photo if you contact me off line. bobby N131BP 65 hrs. ps does anyone have a Part number for a K& N Air Filter or other brand i could purchase locally. i have the large airbox with a filter size of 11" x 6 9/16" thanks ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:19 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL Hi Terry, Thanks for the pics. I agree that it looks like they would be easily visible from the rear on the Jabiru, but I think the Jabiru wingtips are a lot more squared off than the 601XL. With the 601XL, the light pads appear to be ahead of the outermost curvature of the wing. I came across some notes I took last year when I was at AirVenture, where I had determined after looking at completed 601XLs that I would probably need a light in the tail. I may ask at the ZAC booth to see what they say, but right now I am thinking about getting the Kuntzleman triple magnum system, which now has an optional round tail light with a white LED and strobe combination. It may not quite fit in the existing fiberglass fairing, but I am thinking about making a custom fairing myself, (Jeff Small provided details for how to do a fiberglass mold and layup). Besides, I like the idea of a third strobe - you can never be too visible to other traffic. I'll decide when I am at AirVenture in 2 weeks. Dave Time: 06:40:29 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL [OFF-LINE] Hi Dave A couple of picts of combo lights. I was at the Arlington Flyin today and noticed the lights on the Jabiru LSA A/C. They are the GS-Air/Kunzleman variety. Take a look at the attached photos. If they are legal on the Jabiru, I cannot believe they could not be mounted with at least as good rearward visibility on the 601XL. Terry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who is going to Oshkosh? From: "ThisOne" GREAT THREAD!! I have been reading this thread (and taking notes as well). We shall be there from the 24 to the 4th. This will be be my first time as well and I hope to have a chance to sneak out and take in the "whole nine yards". If I don't ..well stop by and say "Hi". I will be found in the East Exhibit Hanger E, booth 5072. Brett Bonaco, Inc. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192411#192411 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:27 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL Ron, Can I ask - did you use the stock ZAC supplied wingtip structure, including the fiberglass fairing / light pad provided in the kit? I could certainly be wrong, but when I looked at that structure from behind, I could not see how the light would be visible from behind no matter where it was mounted on the light pad of the fiberglass fairing. Thanks, Dave Time: 07:38:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL From: "Ron Lendon" Gentlemen, I have just used a CAD system and drew up what you are trying to do. It works with lots of clearance if the lights are at the furthest point out and as high on the wing tip as you can get them. I also made mine perpendicular to earth so there will be good coverage above and below. I am using the AeroFlash units but the solution is still the same. FYI ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Hand Sewn Leather Seats From: "leinad" If anyone is curious I just updated my website with stuff about making the interior of my Zodiac. I used Confor Foam from Hitech Foams and Leather. You'll see they don't look professional, but I've got one more thing checked off the todo list! You can see the details and some lessons learned at my website, http://daniel.dempseyfamily.us Dan Dempsey CH601XL Plans builder -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192425#192425 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.