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1. 02:34 AM - Re: Over filling during flight? (THOMAS SMALL)
2. 02:46 AM - Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (stepinwolf)
3. 04:04 AM - Re: Over filling during flight? (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 04:40 AM - Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (Beckman, Rick)
5. 05:04 AM - Re: do not assume (jaybannist@cs.com)
6. 05:04 AM - Re: do not assume (Al Hays)
7. 06:47 AM - XL canopy open (chris Sinfield)
8. 07:02 AM - Re: XL canopy open (Juan Vega)
9. 07:11 AM - Re: XL canopy open (jaybannist@cs.com)
10. 07:33 AM - Re: XL canopy open (Jay Maynard)
11. 07:50 AM - Re: XL canopy open (Jonathan Starke)
12. 07:58 AM - Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Dave VanLanen)
13. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Was it such a good idea to split the lists?Was it such a good idea to split the lists? (Jim McBurney)
14. 08:10 AM - Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (Terry Phillips)
15. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL (Terry Phillips)
16. 08:39 AM - Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (Randy L. Thwing)
17. 08:52 AM - Re: do not assume ()
18. 09:35 AM - Re: XL canopy open (Craig Payne)
19. 10:07 AM - Re: do not assume (Carlos Sa)
20. 10:52 AM - Strategies for car gas at the airport (Craig Payne)
21. 11:19 AM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Beckman, Rick)
22. 12:48 PM - Re: XL canopy open (Juan Vega)
23. 01:18 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Paul Mulwitz)
24. 01:21 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Gig Giacona)
25. 01:23 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Terry Phillips)
26. 01:40 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Juan Vega)
27. 01:58 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Paul Mulwitz)
28. 02:36 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Dave Austin)
29. 02:42 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (kmccune)
30. 02:53 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Bruce Johnson)
31. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Juan Vega)
32. 03:34 PM - Re: do not assume (Bryan Martin)
33. 03:51 PM - Re: XL canopy open (Bryan Martin)
34. 03:57 PM - Re: Over filling during flight? (raymondj)
35. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Was it such a good idea to split the lists?Was it such a good idea to split the lists? (n801bh@netzero.com)
36. 04:05 PM - copying holes (Carlos Sa)
37. 04:25 PM - Re: do not assume (raymondj)
38. 04:48 PM - 601 cowl and subaru mt (Bill Flick)
39. 05:20 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (LarryMcFarland)
40. 06:09 PM - Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (John Reinking)
41. 07:04 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Craig Spainhower)
42. 07:24 PM - Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (cookwithgas)
43. 09:06 PM - Re: copying holes (Ron Lendon)
44. 09:14 PM - Re: do not assume (Ron Lendon)
45. 09:21 PM - Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (Ron Lendon)
46. 09:34 PM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Craig Payne)
47. 09:59 PM - New seats from Flightcrafters (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
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| Subject: | RE: Over filling during flight? |
Go back in the archives and use "Pillar Point & Bill Morelli" as he uses
one...do not archive
Pillar Point Avionics offers an optical in-tank sensor that you could
use.
Normally this is used to sense when a tank is emptying and the sensor
uncovered. But there is no reason why you couldn't use it to sense when
it
becomes covered.
http://www.ppavionics.com/UFSTUFSAN.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days |
Congratulations Scott, now all that is left for you to do, is to enjoy your new
toy to the fullest.
Not wanting to high jack your thread, I too this week have reached a new milestone.
I have not flown for the past thirty years, and although I am turning 65,
have had quad by-pass, along with numerous cases of " cut & paste " done to my
body, I have just passed my medical, and will be renewing my PPL in the next
month or so.
Fly safe
Bob the 701 scratch
Trois Rivieres, Quebec
# 7-7143
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| Subject: | Re: Over filling during flight? |
Hi Larry,
I've been mulling over your question about filling the header
tank. I didn't want to say anything because I really don't have a
complete solution to the problem. However, I have a different way of
looking at it that might help you.
My thought is to design some electronic control that allows the fuel
pump to operate only when the header tank has room for fuel. This
would allow you to automatically keep the header tank loaded without
any conscious effort on your part.
Such a circuit would need "Hysterisis" (sp?) which means it would
use different levels of fuel in the tank to turn off and turn
on. For example it might turn on when the tank is 1/4 full and turn
off when it is 9/10 full.
While such a control circuit is relatively simple to design, I'm
afraid my own experience is not up to the task. The problems are the
harsh environment of being in an airplane and the high power needed
to drive the fuel pump. My own experience was limited to circuits
working in the more benign electrical environment of the innerds of a
computer. That means I am not volunteering to do the design but just
suggesting the idea.
Good luck,
Paul
XL almost there.
At 06:23 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote:
>The question would be, is it possible to use the EIS to read the
>full point of a common rheostat type tank sensor to set an alarm point?
>
>Or, should one consider a blinking light that constantly runs when
>either of the wing pumps is running.
>
>Or, does anyone have a good "reminder" that the pump is running or
>the tank is nearly full?
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days |
CONGRATULATIONS, Scott!!!!!!
r
I did it guys. At 1:30PM Central time today, July 15th, I officially
became a certificated sport pilot. Now I can go somewhere an take
someone along! Life is good.
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL/Corvair
77 hours.
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| Subject: | Re: do not assume |
Carlos,
Try the hardware store.? Look for a "drywall square".?
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 9:46 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: do not assume
So, you already know the bottom line to this note.
Now please bear with me while I vent a little - and share a lesson.
Eons ago, when I started building, I obsessed about getting a true straight edge
(check archives, around late XXth century).
I eventually settled on (1) accepting that the edge of a sheet 4x8 or 4x12 is straight
and (2) an 8' melamine shelf as a "ruler".
I also (3) assumed that an aluminum sheet, as delivered by the mill/dealer, is
rectangular.
Weeks ago I cut the (outboard wing) skins from 4x12 sheets, using the assumptions
above.
I have drilled the (HD) outboard nose skin and the top skin. All nice and clecoed.
Today, when I positioned the bottom skin in place, I noticed something was off.
About 5 mm off.
As if the rear z was offset to one side by 5 mm. Pardon y French, but @#%!
So, I disassembled the whole thing, and, to verify if the top and bottom skins
were (are) square, I placed them one of top of the other.
Well, they disagree. By about 5 mm.
I either made a mistake when cutting one of them or assumption (3) above isn't
true.
Of course, it's now impossible to verify which one is true.
(In a few days I might admit it was my mistake, but for now I have to blame somebody/thing
else.)
So there goes a hundred bucks (or so, we'll see when I buy another sheet) out the
window and, more important, umpteen hours (technical term for several evenings)
polishing the darn thing.
Does anybody know where I can get a precision, real large, square?
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans (as in "plans to finish someday")
One step for man, two steps backwards.
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| Subject: | Re: do not assume |
Carlos,
As an alternative to the excellent 3-4-5 triangle measurement Keith
suggests, I use a drywall square. It's like a 4 foot version of the
thing I've seen used at drafting tables before CAD came along. I
also use a carpenter's square for smaller items. I'd be lost at a
drafting table and don't know squat about CAD, but I trust the
drywall and framing squares. If you find a used drywall square, just
be sure it hasn't been bent or gotten loose from rough treatment.
Home Depot or Lowe's are convenient places to get new ones at
reasonable cost.
Al
CH701 & 601XL, N701GH & N5892H reserved
On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Carlos Sa wrote:
> Does anybody know where I can get a precision, real large, square?
>
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans (as in "plans to finish someday")
> One step for man, two steps backwards.
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Guys and Girls,
Just writing my emergency procedures for my XL flight manual. This is to those
that are up and flying..
1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both sides, can you slow
down and close it again? I guess it would rise up a bit.
2. If the canopy breaks or somehow comes off, will the aircraft still fly with
all the drag from the fwd turtle deck. I know there are some photos showing open
cockpit / sports models but they appear to have a closed turtle deck.
I know that someone in a HDS once wrote that he lost his canopy and still did
a slower circuit and landed again without much problems, I wonder if thats the
same as the XL??
Chris..
Building and writing
XL 6337
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy open |
the procedure i tested are as follows:
1- in event of canopy unlatch or falure, slow the plane down to below 80 mph. Fly
the plane
2- in event of cabin opening, slow the plane at altitude enough to relatch, when
relatched resume normal flight, if not relatchable, Land.
3- in event of canopy complete failure, slow to below 80 mph, fly the plane, decend
and land. Keep power at landing as plane will slow down much quicker due
to drag.
In all possible events, don't panic, fly the plane.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>Sent: Jul 16, 2008 9:44 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: XL canopy open
>
>
>Guys and Girls,
>Just writing my emergency procedures for my XL flight manual. This is to those
that are up and flying..
>
>1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both sides, can you slow
down and close it again? I guess it would rise up a bit.
>
>2. If the canopy breaks or somehow comes off, will the aircraft still fly with
all the drag from the fwd turtle deck. I know there are some photos showing open
cockpit / sports models but they appear to have a closed turtle deck.
>
>I know that someone in a HDS once wrote that he lost his canopy and still did
a slower circuit and landed again without much problems, I wonder if thats the
same as the XL??
>Chris..
>Building and writing
>XL 6337
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193078#193078
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy open |
Chris,
If I'm not mistaken the canopy that departed in flight was one of the early side
opening types.? It would open from either side, so if both latches failed, the
canopy could depart.? The XL canopy is securely fastened to the airframe, even
when open.? I just can't imagine one simply coming off. Obviously, it could
be destroyed by a large bird strike or a mid-air collision, in which case you
wouldn't be worrying about whether the turtle deck was open or closed.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 8:44 am
Subject: Zenith-List: XL canopy open
Guys and Girls,
Just writing my emergency procedures for my XL flight manual. This is to those
that are up and flying..
1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both sides, can you slow
down and close it again? I guess it would rise up a bit.
2. If the canopy breaks or somehow comes off, will the aircraft still fly with
all the drag from the fwd turtle deck. I know there are some photos showing open
cockpit / sports models but they appear to have a closed turtle deck.
I know that someone in a HDS once wrote that he lost his canopy and still did
a
slower circuit and landed again without much problems, I wonder if thats the
same as the XL??
Chris..
Building and writing
XL 6337
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy open |
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:44:19AM -0700, chris Sinfield wrote:
> 1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both sides, can
> you slow down and close it again? I guess it would rise up a bit.
The AMD POH says to slow to 60 knots, fly the airplane, make a normal
landing, and close it on the ground. It specifically says not to attempt to
close it in flight.
> 2. If the canopy breaks or somehow comes off, will the aircraft still fly
> with all the drag from the fwd turtle deck. I know there are some photos
> showing open cockpit / sports models but they appear to have a closed
> turtle deck.
Again, I'd expect to fly it at slower speed, and probably have to use more
power than normal, but it should fly well enough to make a normal landing.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)
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Chris wrote....
1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both
sides, can you slow down and close it again? I guess it would
rise up a bit.
I am afraid you will NOT be able to re-latch the canopy, I have tried.
The canopy has a 'double' latch, and I once took off with the one side having
been latched on the firt latch one, well with all my considerable weight on the
window sill, I could NOT latch the canopy further. I could barely move the
canopy down, that even when I slowed to 70mph
I only realised the latch was on only the first click, was when the wind started
tugging at my left hand shirt sleeve. I have dual sticks, so my left arm rests
on the sill.
Jonathan
601XL 140+ hrs
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| Subject: | RE: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights On 601XL |
Terry,
Yes, I'll plan to take a look at the Jabiru setup. Will you be at Oshkosh?
Dave
Do Not Archive
Time: 03:38:18 PM PST US
From: Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe
Lights On
601XL
Dave
It is good to hear that you are going to Oshkosh. While you're there,
compare the mount of the GS-Air combos (Thank you Pete--From catalog
displays I'd say they are identical to the Kunzleman's) on the Jabiru
models with the mount location on the 601XL. I think that you'll conclude
(as I did) that, if it's legal on the Jabiru, then it will be legal on the
601XL. That said, it never hurts (except for weight) to err on the side of
visibility, so your plan to go with the 3-location light system is sound.
Terry
At 09:31 AM 7/15/2008 -0500, you wrote:
><davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was it such a good idea to split the lists?Was it |
such a good idea to split the lists?
I vote for split lists.
Do not archive
Blue skies and tailwinds
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
Augusta GA
90% done, 90% left
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| Subject: | Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days |
Congratulations Scott! I think you may have established a new world record.
Enjoy your 601XL.
Terry
At 02:01 PM 7/15/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Question: How long does it take a non-flying, married guy with a full
>time job and kids to build an airplane, use it to learn to fly, then get
>his sport pilot license?
>
>I did it guys. At 1:30PM Central time today, July 15th, I officially
>became a certificated sport pilot. Now I can go somewhere an take someone
>along! Life is good.
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kuntzleman Streamline Combo Nav/Strobe Lights |
On 601XL
Sadly no. Arlington was my Flyin for the year. I hope to go to Oshkosh in
my 601XL, some year.
Enjoy the show. There is so much to do and so much to learn.
Terry
At 09:55 AM 7/16/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>Terry,
>
>Yes, I'll plan to take a look at the Jabiru setup. Will you be at Oshkosh?
>
>Dave
>
>Do Not Archive
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days |
Do not archive
So Scott:
After all the advice and comments you requested and received, how about a
report on your check ride experience?
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
> I did it guys. At 1:30PM Central time today, July 15th, I officially
> became a certificated sport pilot. Now I can go somewhere an take
> someone along! Life is good.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> Omaha, Nebraska
> 601XL/Corvair
> 77 hours.
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And don't assume any square you buy will be square, most aren't. In
particular framing squares usually need to be adjusted. You do this by
peening the corner to
open or close the square a bit. Peen the outside to close, the inside
to open.
I've found drywall squares to be better, but check them regularly.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm now fitting my first rear wing
skins. The pre-punched holes, done by a cnc machine, are off by 4mm
from rr1 to rr9. This, I
can tell you is a real pain in the neck.
And while we are on the subject, don't trust tape measures either. If
you use more
than one they should be checked against each other over whatever the
maximum length
you are using. I've found most I've used to be in agreement, but I've
seen at least
one that was off an inch in 25ft.
Ron
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: do not assume
From: jaybannist@cs.com
Carlos,
Try the hardware store. Look for a "drywall square".
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 9:46 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: do not assume
So, you already know the bottom line to this note.
Now please bear with me while I vent a little - and share a lesson.
Eons ago, when I started building, I obsessed about getting a true
straight edge (check archives, around late XXth century).
I eventually settled on (1) accepting that the edge of a sheet 4x8 or
4x12 is straight and (2) an 8' melamine shelf as a "ruler".
I also (3) assumed that an aluminum sheet, as delivered by the
mill/dealer, is rectangular.
Weeks ago I cut the (outboard wing) skins from 4x12 sheets, using the
assumptions above.
I have drilled the (HD) outboard nose skin and the top skin. All nice
and clecoed.
Today, when I positioned the bottom skin in place, I noticed something
was off. About 5 mm off.
As if the rear z was offset to one side by 5 mm. Pardon y French, but
@#%!
So, I disassembled the whole thing, and, to verify if the top and
bottom skins were (are) square, I placed them one of top of the other.
Well, they disagree. By about 5 mm.
I either made a mistake when cutting one of them or assumption (3)
above isn't true.
Of course, it's now impossible to verify which one is true.
(In a few days I might admit it was my mistake, but for now I have to
blame somebody/thing else.)
So there goes a hundred bucks (or so, we'll see when I buy another
sheet) out the window and, more important, umpteen hours (technical term
for several evenings) polishing the darn thing.
Does anybody know where I can get a precision, real large, square?
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans (as in "plans to finish someday")
One step for man, two steps backwards.
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This is what I have written in the past:
Back in December Clive Richards sent out the attached report from the UK PFA
magazine of an anonymous pilot testing his (pre-XL?) 601 with an open
canopy. He attached a safety cord and intentionally unlatched his canopy.
Quoting:
"I commenced the test at 3500 ft and 80 knots cruise. I secured the safety
cord to the cleat at my elbow with about 1 ft of slack and released the
catch. The canopy rapidly popped up about 1 ft at the trailing edge as
expected. I then slowly paid out the cord from the cleat and allowed the
canopy to rise to a steady state. The canopy adopted a position where the
base of the canopy settled to an angle of about 35 degrees to the airflow.
Full lateral and pitch control could be maintained but forward speed dropped
to about 60 knots and despite increase to full throttle descent was about
300 ft/min. An unexpected problem now presented itself. I was descending
quickly and all the strength I could muster with my right arm was only just
sufficient to pull the cord down and cleat it progressively. Possibly the
slot effect at the front of the canopy open at the front increased the lift
(and additionally the gas struts require a cord load of 15 lbs static). I
finally, exhausted, got it down to about 6 inches and returned to."
Craig again. I had a similar experience in an Evektor SportStar. This LSA
resembles the 601XL: low wing, front-hinged bubble canopy. One difference is
that the canopy is split behind the seats. There is a cross-bar behind the
seats:
www.evektoramerica.com/SportStarPlus.htm
I was flying left-seat with my instructor. The canopy popped while we were
in the pattern. I would estimate that the gap was well over a foot. While
the instructor flew I tried to close the canopy. I wrapped my arm around the
cross-bar and used all my weight and strength and could not close the
canopy. At best I think I got the gap down to 6-8 inches. Evektor redesigned
the latch the next year.
I believe the upward force was generated by lift and not wind under the
canopy as it did not decrease as I closed the gap.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: do not assume |
Thanks to all that replied.
I too found that tape measures aren't to be blindly trusted.
Actually, this goes for any measuring tool bought at a hardware store,
whether they have an aerospace department or not.
Carlos
do not archive
2008/7/16 <rsteele@rjsit.com>:
>
> And don't assume any square you buy will be square, most aren't. In
> particular framing squares usually need to be adjusted. You do this by
> peening the corner to
> open or close the square a bit. Peen the outside to close, the inside
> to open.
> I've found drywall squares to be better, but check them regularly.
>
> If it makes you feel any better, I'm now fitting my first rear wing
> skins. The pre-punched holes, done by a cnc machine, are off by 4mm
> from rr1 to rr9. This, I
> can tell you is a real pain in the neck.
>
> And while we are on the subject, don't trust tape measures either. If
> you use more
> than one they should be checked against each other over whatever the
> maximum length
> you are using. I've found most I've used to be in agreement, but I've
> seen at least
> one that was off an inch in 25ft.
>
> Ron
>
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| Subject: | Strategies for car gas at the airport |
The Rotax 912 prefers unleaded fuel. But there is none available at my
airport. I can burn 100LL if I add Decalin although there will be more
deposit build-up and I'll have to change oil more often. So I'm looking at
ways to haul car gas to the hanger. Since my 701 holds 20 gallons a couple
of 5 gal jerry cans isn't going to do it. And fueling a high-wing by hand
will be a challenge. I drive an SUV and not a pickup and I'm not wild about
hauling gas inside the car. But I will if I have to. And then there is the
whole issue of the shelf life of car gas.
How do others do this? One idea is to just fill the car and pump gas from
the car's tank. But I think there is an anti-siphon/theft device on most car
tank filler necks.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Craig, fill the tank on your car with the desired fuel. Stick a
siphon hose in the car tank at the plane. Connect the siphon hose to an
electric Facet pump with the hose on the other end in the wing tank.
Wire the pump with an end that plugs into the "cigar lighter" receptacle
in the car and keep an eye on the fuel level in the tanks. Very little
work on your part and rather safe, too. Just be careful not to drain the
car tank too low! You could, also, use the Gerry cans to supplement the
car tank if it is too small. You don't want to have to walk home!!
Rick
Do NOT archive.
The Rotax 912 prefers unleaded fuel. But there is none available at my
airport. I can burn 100LL if I add Decalin although there will be more
deposit build-up and I'll have to change oil more often. So I'm looking
at
ways to haul car gas to the hanger. Since my 701 holds 20 gallons a
couple
of 5 gal jerry cans isn't going to do it. And fueling a high-wing by
hand
will be a challenge. I drive an SUV and not a pickup and I'm not wild
about
hauling gas inside the car. But I will if I have to. And then there is
the
whole issue of the shelf life of car gas.
How do others do this? One idea is to just fill the car and pump gas
from
the car's tank. But I think there is an anti-siphon/theft device on most
car
tank filler necks.
-- Craig
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Jonathon and Friends:
I agree it is difficult to relatch but not impossible,since I relatched mine at
8,000 ft. hence my response earlier was based on what I did during that incident.
Basically ,stall the airplane and at apex, seal the latch. I think where
Jonathon's situation came in is everyone job sealing tightness is differnt on
each plane , which I found in trying 3 different planes.
Jonathon is correct though in the safest option is.. just land then fix. Since
I was high up, 8,000 ft, I cut the flow of air over the canopy to the point
where it relatched, basically yanking back on the yoke to stall. Not the safest,
but I was comfortable with myself.
If both sides release, all bets are off.
safety first, just land.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jonathan Starke <jonathan@entry.co.za>
>Sent: Jul 16, 2008 10:46 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL canopy open
>
>
>Chris wrote....
>
>1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both
>sides, can you slow down and close it again? I guess it would
>rise up a bit.
>
>
>I am afraid you will NOT be able to re-latch the canopy, I have tried.
>
>The canopy has a 'double' latch, and I once took off with the one side having
>been latched on the firt latch one, well with all my considerable weight on the
>window sill, I could NOT latch the canopy further. I could barely move the
>canopy down, that even when I slowed to 70mph
>
>I only realised the latch was on only the first click, was when the wind started
>tugging at my left hand shirt sleeve. I have dual sticks, so my left arm rests
>on the sill.
>
>Jonathan
>601XL 140+ hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Hi Craig,
One issue you might like to figure out. If you purchase gas at a gas
station and put it in your plane then you have paid a tax for road
use that you didn't use. You should be able to get a refund of this
tax which can be upwards of $.50 per gallon depending on where you live.
Paul
XL getting close
At 10:49 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>How do others do this? One idea is to just fill the car and pump gas from
>the car's tank. But I think there is an anti-siphon/theft device on most car
>tank filler necks.
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
If you flying a bunch, which I certainly hope to be doing once I get finished,
you might consider mounting a 50 or 75 gallon tank on a small trailer. I'm thinking
about doing that as well as mounting a hose and electric pump to the trailer.
There is a gas station just a few miles from the airport and I have a hanger
to keep it in.
Yes it will cost some money but there is a $1.75 spread between the cost of 100LL
and 93 mogas around here and at 6 gph it won't take too long to make back the
cost.
Or you could do what this guy did.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/fuel_truck.htm
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193185#193185
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Craig
Donald Hall gave a talk about fuel systems at the Arlington Flyin. He
said that he has been using mogas for 20 years with the two pump systems
shown in the attached photos. He said that the large gascolators on the
pumps was very important to keep crud out of the gas tank. These photos
are my photos of his prints, so, they are not the best. My impression
was that he brought gas to the airplane in 5 5-gal containers and pumped
from there.
Pump_2 is an adaption of a commercial unit with an electrically driven
pump. If you Google something like "gas caddy" you'll find items that
look like pump_2 (without the gascolator), but they are not cheap.
Terry
Craig Payne wrote:
>
> The Rotax 912 prefers unleaded fuel. But there is none available at my
> airport. I can burn 100LL if I add Decalin although there will be more
> deposit build-up and I'll have to change oil more often. So I'm looking at
> ways to haul car gas to the hanger. Since my 701 holds 20 gallons a couple
> of 5 gal jerry cans isn't going to do it. And fueling a high-wing by hand
> will be a challenge. I drive an SUV and not a pickup and I'm not wild about
> hauling gas inside the car. But I will if I have to. And then there is the
> whole issue of the shelf life of car gas.
>
> How do others do this? One idea is to just fill the car and pump gas from
> the car's tank. But I think there is an anti-siphon/theft device on most car
> tank filler necks.
>
> -- Craig
>
--
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Paul,
have you gottena refund from the state for Road tax on the gas? that is great,
i want to see if they really do that.
juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
>Sent: Jul 16, 2008 4:14 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strategies for car gas at the airport
>
>
>Hi Craig,
>
>One issue you might like to figure out. If you purchase gas at a gas
>station and put it in your plane then you have paid a tax for road
>use that you didn't use. You should be able to get a refund of this
>tax which can be upwards of $.50 per gallon depending on where you live.
>
>Paul
>XL getting close
>
>At 10:49 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>>How do others do this? One idea is to just fill the car and pump gas from
>>the car's tank. But I think there is an anti-siphon/theft device on most car
>>tank filler necks.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Hi Juan,
No, I haven;t gotten a refund. Alas, I haven't used mogas in my
plane. One reason is my plane isn't finished yet. Another is I plan
to use 100LL out of the pump at my local airport.
My tax comment was based on what happens to farmers who use auto fuel
for agricultural purposes. It seems the same to me - highway taxes
paid at the pump wasn't earned by the state. This often isn't enough
fuel to make it worth collecting the refund, but airplanes use a lot of fuel.
Paul
XL almost there
do not archive
At 01:35 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>Paul,
>have you gottena refund from the state for Road tax on the
>gas? that is great, i want to see if they really do that.
>
>juan
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Up here in the frozen north (Canada) it is possible to get the fuel tax
rebate.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Yup you can get the refund, we use to do it "at home on the farm" There is paperwork
and such but if you save up your receipts for once a year you could get
a pretty nice check 4gph X 50hrs 0 gallons x .$50 =$100.00
I'm sure the paper work has changed, but then Mom did it so I have no idea what
it was.
Kevin
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193213#193213
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
For those in Texas, the refund is only 20 cent per gallon..., worth it,
I guess depending on how much fuel you actually use..
the form is here: http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/taxforms/06-106.pdf
The specific page I found that indicates that aircraft and boats
qualify:
http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/audit/motorfue/2_gasoline.htm#exceptions
-Bruce
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
> Hi Juan,
>
> No, I haven;t gotten a refund. Alas, I haven't used mogas in my plane.
> One reason is my plane isn't finished yet. Another is I plan to use
> 100LL out of the pump at my local airport.
>
> My tax comment was based on what happens to farmers who use auto fuel
> for agricultural purposes. It seems the same to me - highway taxes paid
> at the pump wasn't earned by the state. This often isn't enough fuel to
> make it worth collecting the refund, but airplanes use a lot of fuel.
>
> Paul
> XL almost there
> do not archive
>
>
> At 01:35 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>> Paul,
>> have you gottena refund from the state for Road tax on the gas? that
>> is great, i want to see if they really do that.
>>
>> juan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Sweat! I am going to check it out for FLorida.
JUan
-----Original Message-----
>From: kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net>
>Sent: Jul 16, 2008 5:38 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport
>
>
>Yup you can get the refund, we use to do it "at home on the farm" There is paperwork
and such but if you save up your receipts for once a year you could get
a pretty nice check 4gph X 50hrs 0 gallons x .$50 =$100.00
>I'm sure the paper work has changed, but then Mom did it so I have no idea what
it was.
>
>Kevin
>
>--------
>Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things
that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193213#193213
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: do not assume |
If you want to know if a sheet of metal really is rectangular, measure
the distance from diagonally opposite corners. If both diagonal
measurements are exactly the same, you have a rectangle. The same
method can be used to verify that the rectangle you have marked up for
cutting actually is rectangular before you cut it.
On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Carlos Sa wrote:
> So, you already know the bottom line to this note.
> Now please bear with me while I vent a little - and share a lesson.
> Eons ago, when I started building, I obsessed about getting a true
> straight edge (check archives, around late XXth century).
> I eventually settled on (1) accepting that the edge of a sheet 4x8
> or 4x12 is straight and (2) an 8' melamine shelf as a "ruler".
> I also (3) assumed that an aluminum sheet, as delivered by the mill/
> dealer, is rectangular.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy open |
I have had one side come unlatched in flight a few times, always just
after takeoff. I believe that all cases were caused by my failure to
fully latch the canopy before takeoff. In the first instance, I was
able to re-latch it after climbing to a safe, throttling back to idle
and slowing down to near stall speed. Later, I installed some foam
weather strip under the canopy rail. Unfortunately, this foam got
pretty stiff in cold weather and made it difficult to close the canopy
fully, which led to a couple more instances. With the weather strip in
place, I found it impossible to re-latch the canopy in flight and had
to land to do it. I have since removed the foam and am trying out a
different method of sealing the gap.
I have never had both sides come unlatched in flight and don't think
it's very likely, The design of the canopy pretty much assures that at
least one side will fully latch, so both sides are not likely to come
unlatched unless someone turns the release handle either accidently or
intentionally.
On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:44 AM, chris Sinfield wrote:
> >
>
> Guys and Girls,
> Just writing my emergency procedures for my XL flight manual. This
> is to those that are up and flying..
>
> 1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both sides,
> can you slow down and close it again? I guess it would rise up a bit.
>
> 2. If the canopy breaks or somehow comes off, will the aircraft
> still fly with all the drag from the fwd turtle deck. I know there
> are some photos showing open cockpit / sports models but they appear
> to have a closed turtle deck.
>
> I know that someone in a HDS once wrote that he lost his canopy and
> still did a slower circuit and landed again without much problems, I
> wonder if thats the same as the XL??
> Chris..
> Building and writing
> XL 6337
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Over filling during flight? |
Would it be practical to run the header tank vent back into the top of wing
tank so if the header gets full the excess is pumped back into the wing
tank.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
<aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Over filling during flight?
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> July 14 Monday was perfect. I walked Toby our cat, then packed the flight
> bag and went to the airport. After a lengthy preflight, the plane was
> pulled from the hangar and I did a secondary walk around. All good, the
> tower cleared my request for runway 5. I lifted off in a soft downwind,
> but still short enough for traffic. I set course for Clinton and climbed
> to 3000 ft. On the formerly flooded Mississippi, one could see the river
> traffic moving again and a few recreational boaters. Clinton airport was
> also visible 8-miles out. I passed over the airport and entered downwind
> for 32. Good pattern work, but I flared a foot high and just bounced the
> touchdown. I taxied in and parked to check wheel-pants for damage. None
> was found, so after visiting with the FBO, I taxied to 32 and took off,
> departed west. The header tank was less than full so the left wing pump
> was turned on. Engine temps were good for an 85-degrees ambient. EGTs
> 1370, oil 220, coolant 198, CHT 210 and oil pressure was 48 psi. On
> turning south for the return, I called Quad Cities approach, collected
> traffic and guidance and nearly forgot to track the refill. The header was
> completely full when I turned off the wing pump and centered the selector
> valve. I felt a chill down my spine, because I didn't want to overfill.
> I worried that fumes from spilled fuel could trace across the 601s
> non-laminar wing to the exhaust pipe's back draft and turn the plane into
> a roman candle. I couldn't smell any fuel within the cabin. On landing,
> I taxied back and shut down. Inside the header, fuel was 3-inches from the
> cap and the overflow tube was dry. This is the tank's max fill limit. Very
> relieved, I put the 601 back in the hangar and drove home with this tidbit
> chewing on my mind. Nice flight, but the wrong kind of adrenaline rush!
>
> The question would be, is it possible to use the EIS to read the full
> point of a common rheostat type tank sensor to set an alarm point?
>
> Or, should one consider a blinking light that constantly runs when either
> of the wing pumps is running.
>
> Or, does anyone have a good "reminder" that the pump is running or the
> tank is nearly full?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
> 270.4.11/1553 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 5:48 AM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was it such a good idea to split the lists?Was it |
such a good idea to split the lists?
You guys are too much..... Matt went to alot of trouble to set up a 701/
801 list. My take on this is I am a Zenith 801 builder and flyer. I also
consider myself a Zenith family member and I am concerned about the 601
" issue" I still subsrcibe to all the Zenith lists to keep up with all
the details but this straw poll is an act of futility. If ya want to see
all posts subscribe to all the lists. if ya want to see only one then l
eave the others out of your list. Trying to get Matt to change things ag
ain is rude at best... IMHO. Thanks again Matt for ALL you do.
Ben Haas
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Jim McBurney" <jmcburney@pobox.com> wrote:
I vote for split lists.
Do not archive
Blue skies and tailwinds
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
Augusta GA
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How have you copied a hole pattern from one part to a new part, without
damaging (i.e., making them bigger, oval) the existing holes?
In my case, the wing ribs have already been drilled to A4 size, and I am
going to discard the old skin.
I think the least laborious way of doing this would be to back-drill the
skin, from inside the wing.
But how do I make sure I won't enlarge the holes on the ribs?
Thanks in advance for your comments / suggestions.
Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: do not assume |
This method will work IF you verify that parallel sided are the same length.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: do not assume
>
> If you want to know if a sheet of metal really is rectangular, measure
> the distance from diagonally opposite corners. If both diagonal
> measurements are exactly the same, you have a rectangle. The same method
> can be used to verify that the rectangle you have marked up for cutting
> actually is rectangular before you cut it.
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Carlos Sa wrote:
>
>> So, you already know the bottom line to this note.
>> Now please bear with me while I vent a little - and share a lesson.
>> Eons ago, when I started building, I obsessed about getting a true
>> straight edge (check archives, around late XXth century).
>> I eventually settled on (1) accepting that the edge of a sheet 4x8 or
>> 4x12 is straight and (2) an 8' melamine shelf as a "ruler".
>> I also (3) assumed that an aluminum sheet, as delivered by the mill/
>> dealer, is rectangular.
>>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
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| Subject: | 601 cowl and subaru mt |
need a mt for a subaru in a 601hds and a cowl for the same, thanks
ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Hi Craig,
I purchased four 5-gallon red circular steel cans with a spring lid
that's handle actuated. The can comes with a yellow spout that's
perpendicular
with the sides. These are OSHA compliant gasoline cans, unlike some very
unstable plastic types. The spout doesn't leak and protects
the splatter of a first pour. Great geometry for a gas can, especially
for moving within a car. I need at least two more to equate the volume
of my plane and have a spare in case there's ever a leak found or
there's a need for fuel transfer, plane to car. Anything after 3
months, I begin to
run the stuff through my car and refresh the hangar supply. Never had
any trouble with the cans or the 87-octane that's stored in the hangar.
http://www.stacksandstacks.com/track/rd.html?id=176&product_page=108984_5-gallon-gas-can-type-1&sku=108985&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase
I'd recommend the can shown in the above link,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Craig Payne wrote:
>
> The Rotax 912 prefers unleaded fuel. But there is none available at my
> airport. I can burn 100LL if I add Decalin although there will be more
> deposit build-up and I'll have to change oil more often. So I'm looking at
> ways to haul car gas to the hanger. Since my 701 holds 20 gallons a couple
> of 5 gal jerry cans isn't going to do it. And fueling a high-wing by hand
> will be a challenge. I drive an SUV and not a pickup and I'm not wild about
> hauling gas inside the car. But I will if I have to. And then there is the
> whole issue of the shelf life of car gas.
>
> How do others do this? One idea is to just fill the car and pump gas from
> the car's tank. But I think there is an anti-siphon/theft device on most car
> tank filler necks.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days |
Bravo, Scott!!!!
Another Eagle in the sky.
John/Woodinville
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
I just picked up a 12v Facet transfer pump from ACS,
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetFuelit.php, they have a
special where they include the battery option for free. I have the opposite
problem, I need to break in my engine with 100LL and the field I'm at is
mostly ultra-lights and LSA's and they don't carry Avgas. I used 2 5-gal
cans with my Cessna and just topped the plane off every time I drove to the
airport.
Craig S.
N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days |
n4546v(at)mindspring.com wrote:
> Do not archive
>
> So Scott:
>
> After all the advice and comments you requested and received, how about a
> report on your check ride experience?
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas
>
Randy:
It was a long day. I got asked a lot of questions about safety and I was quizzed
a lot about using a sectional chart. For the practical part, there is a free
download from faa.gov called "Sport Pilot Test Standards" or FAA-S-8081-29.
It has all of the requirements. Sooo my advice would be to study the FAR/AIM
with an emphasis on the AIM. Make tabs in it for the different sections that
apply to safety. Study your sectional charts and don't forget the legend area
- study the legend - and lastly, read the SPTS over and practice the maneuvers
with your solo flight time.
Jon Croke asked me to write an article for the upcoming Zenith Newsletter so I
will do that and include a lot more detail.
Thanks Randy and take care,
Scott.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193276#193276
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| Subject: | Re: copying holes |
That happened to me when I had to remake the nose skin. I just back drilled but
I might have been at the silver cleco size. I did make a drill bushing to align
some A-5's when I was working on the wing lockers.
Take a look here:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=59265&row=25
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193292#193292
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| Subject: | Re: do not assume |
Carlos,
The diagonal measure is the quickest and most accurate to find out if it's square.
I have been using a full sheet of metal as a straight edge for making cuts, using
the factory edge. Just set two sheets up, one is the part the top piece is
the cut guide.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days |
Congratulations Scott,
I have learned much watching your progress over the years. One day we will meet.
Enjoy,
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Ah! Good idea to track the date of the gas and put the old in the car.
Thanks for the lead on the can.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strategies for car gas at the airport
Hi Craig,
I purchased four 5-gallon red circular steel cans with a spring lid
that's handle actuated. The can comes with a yellow spout that's
perpendicular
with the sides. These are OSHA compliant gasoline cans, unlike some very
unstable plastic types. The spout doesn't leak and protects
the splatter of a first pour. Great geometry for a gas can, especially
for moving within a car. I need at least two more to equate the volume
of my plane and have a spare in case there's ever a leak found or
there's a need for fuel transfer, plane to car. Anything after 3
months, I begin to
run the stuff through my car and refresh the hangar supply. Never had
any trouble with the cans or the 87-octane that's stored in the hangar.
http://www.stacksandstacks.com/track/rd.html?id=176&product_page=108984_5-ga
llon-gas-can-type-1&sku=108985&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googleba
se
I'd recommend the can shown in the above link,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Craig Payne wrote:
>
> The Rotax 912 prefers unleaded fuel. But there is none available at my
> airport. I can burn 100LL if I add Decalin although there will be more
> deposit build-up and I'll have to change oil more often. So I'm looking at
> ways to haul car gas to the hanger. Since my 701 holds 20 gallons a couple
> of 5 gal jerry cans isn't going to do it. And fueling a high-wing by hand
> will be a challenge. I drive an SUV and not a pickup and I'm not wild
about
> hauling gas inside the car. But I will if I have to. And then there is the
> whole issue of the shelf life of car gas.
>
> How do others do this? One idea is to just fill the car and pump gas from
> the car's tank. But I think there is an anti-siphon/theft device on most
car
> tank filler necks.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New seats from Flightcrafters |
Gang:
Got my new-style, gray colored, hot-weather seats from Flightcrafters
today. These have a medium gray cloth center section and slightly
lighter vinyl outside that on both seat bottom and back. Side panels
are vinyl covered and have a matching cloth insert which looks pretty
nice. Top of seat backs have the Zenith logo embroidered in place.
Center console section is pre-sewn to fit. All the seat parts and
console have appropriate Velcro to install in the plane. Appears to be
nice workmanship. Came with a small piece (about 1'x3') of extra vinyl
material
IMHO, a nice option from the all UltraLeather seats, which are just too
uncomfortable here in the baking Arizona sun. Also offered in a
tan/brown combination. Same price as the UltraLeather set = $985 +
shipping.
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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