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1. 02:21 AM - Re: New seats from Flightcrafters (chris Sinfield)
2. 05:27 AM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (cookwithgas)
3. 06:16 AM - Re: do not assume (Darryl Legg)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (LHusky@aol.com)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Gig Giacona)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: New seats from Flightcrafters (Carlos Sa)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (David Johnson)
8. 07:36 AM - Re: XL canopy open (japhillipsga@aol.com)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (japhillipsga@aol.com)
10. 09:12 AM - IA Exam (off topic) (thesumak@aol.com)
11. 09:13 AM - Re: XL canopy open (A.F.Rupp@att.net)
12. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Stanley Challgren)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: Over filling during flight? (Klaus Truemper)
14. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Over filling during flight? (LarryMcFarland)
15. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Over filling during flight? (George Swinford)
16. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Over filling during flight? (raymondj)
17. 03:48 PM - Re: XL canopy open (A.F.Rupp@att.net)
18. 04:14 PM - Re: XL canopy open (A.F.Rupp@att.net)
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| Subject: | Re: New seats from Flightcrafters |
hey Andie
Photos mate, photos. Show us your new seats.... Its a bit like saying "trust me
I have a drop dead girl friend" without showing us a picture.
Chris..
About to do my seats and side walls.. :D
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Craig:
I was at the gas station a while back and saw a guy with a large, red, flat tank
laying in the back of his SUV. It had wheels and he was using it for his boat.
http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/MO-06792.htm
I'm sure a clever airplane-builder could figure out a way to rig up a pump to get
the fuel up into the wing tank.
My Corvair loves 100LL so I never did go this route but it was my plan at one time.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair, PIC
Omaha, NE
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| Subject: | Re: do not assume |
Hi Carlos,
I use a large ceconite square generally used by glaziers. It is 6ft long by 3ft
on the 90 deg angle. Very handy. Your local glaziers should be able to point
you in the right direction to purchase one.
Darryl.
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
What I have planned is this. I bought a rear rack that will go into the 2"
receiver on my SUV. I bought it for $40 bucks at Harbor Freight. I then went
to a boat salvage yard and bought a 25 gallon fuel tank. I will bolt that
to the rack and it will have 3 electric fuel pumps on it. I have a 12V outlet
in the back of my 4Runner and will just plug it into the 3 to 1 extension
outlet. When the tank is empty, it will be very easy to take off the truck and
store. When it is full, it is secure and NOT in my vehicle. I just hope
that I don't get hit in the rear. The tank is plastic, so that helps a
little. The 3 pumps put out a lot of gas, so it won't take all day to fill her
up.
That is my solution. I used it with my ultralight for 3 years without a
problem. This is just a bigger tank! I have done a test run and it will work
great and fill both tanks in less than 10 minutes.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 7/17/2008 5:27:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Craig:
I was at the gas station a while back and saw a guy with a large, red, flat
tank laying in the back of his SUV. It had wheels and he was using it for
his boat.
http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/MO-06792.htm
I'm sure a clever airplane-builder could figure out a way to rig up a pump
to get the fuel up into the wing tank.
My Corvair loves 100LL so I never did go this route but it was my plan at
one time.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair, PIC
Omaha, NE
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
Since we are on the subject of homemade fueling systems keep one thing in mind.
SET UP A GROUNDING SYSTEM.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: New seats from Flightcrafters |
I suppose it doesn't apply to AZ, but in colder areas one might want to
consider heating elements embedded in the seat.
A 'net search will produce a fair number of hits. Here's and example:
http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/afcarseathea.html
Carlos
2008/7/17 Dr. Andrew Elliott <a.s.elliott@cox.net>:
> Gang:
>
> Got my new-style, gray colored, hot-weather seats from Flightcrafters
> today. These have a medium gray cloth center section and slightly lighter
> vinyl outside that on both seat bottom and back. Side panels are vinyl
> covered and have a matching cloth insert which looks pretty nice. Top of
> seat backs have the Zenith logo embroidered in place. Center console
> section is pre-sewn to fit. All the seat parts and console have appropriate
> Velcro to install in the plane. Appears to be nice workmanship. Came with
> a small piece (about 1'x3') of extra vinyl material
>
> IMHO, a nice option from the all UltraLeather seats, which are just too
> uncomfortable here in the baking Arizona sun. Also offered in a tan/brown
> combination. Same price as the UltraLeather set = $985 + shipping.
>
> Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
> N601GE (reserved)
> 601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
I don't know where (or if) this is available in the USA - I would be
surprised if it isn't, but it sounds as though this is what he was using and
it has a hand-operated pump.
http://www.transair.co.uk/product4.asp?SID=2&Product_ID=7818
Dave Johnson
601XL Jab. 3300 - it WILL fly this year!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport
>
> Craig:
>
> I was at the gas station a while back and saw a guy with a large, red,
> flat tank laying in the back of his SUV. It had wheels and he was using
> it for his boat.
> http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/MO-06792.htm
> I'm sure a clever airplane-builder could figure out a way to rig up a pump
> to get the fuel up into the wing tank.
>
> My Corvair loves 100LL so I never did go this route but it was my plan at
> one time.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> 601XL/Corvair, PIC
> Omaha, NE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193324#193324
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy open |
I had the right side unlatch on take off. It probably was not latched properly
to begin with. I had installed metal handles just forward on the latch mechanisms
on each side so I could guide the arms into the lugs and also to pull down.
I have dual sticks so I continued the climb with my left hand on the controls.
I have very strong hands and arms but I must admit I could not relatch the
right side. I could get it down nearly latched, but not the last little bit. At
TOC I flew with my knees, held the canopy down with my right hand and routed
the right side seat belt through the handle and sinched it down snug. I went
on and completed my flight test program. I too was surprised I could not relatch
the side. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL canopy open
?
I have had one side come unlatched in flight a few times, always just after takeoff.
I believe that all cases were caused by my failure to fully latch the canopy
before takeoff. In the first instance, I was able to re-latch it after climbing
to a safe, throttling back to idle and slowing down to near stall speed.
Later, I installed some foam weather strip under the canopy rail. Unfortunately,
this foam got pretty stiff in cold weather and made it difficult to close
the canopy fully, which led to a couple more instances. With the weather strip
in place, I found it impossible to re-latch the canopy in flight and had to
land to do it. I have since removed the foam and am trying out a different method
of sealing the gap.?
?
I have never had both sides come unlatched in flight and don't think it's very
likely, The design of the canopy pretty much assures that at least one side will
fully latch, so both sides are not likely to come unlatched unless someone
turns the release handle either accidently or intentionally.?
?
On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:44 AM, chris Sinfield wrote:?
?
>?
> Guys and Girls,?
> Just writing my emergency procedures for my XL flight manual. This > is to those
that are up and flying..?
>?
> 1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both sides, > can you
slow down and close it again? I guess it would rise up a bit.?
>?
> 2. If the canopy breaks or somehow comes off, will the aircraft > still fly with
all the drag from the fwd turtle deck. I know there > are some photos showing
open cockpit / sports models but they appear > to have a closed turtle deck.?
>?
> I know that someone in a HDS once wrote that he lost his canopy and > still did
a slower circuit and landed again without much problems, I > wonder if thats
the same as the XL???
> Chris..?
> Building and writing?
> XL 6337?
?
?
--Bryan Martin?
N61BM, CH 601 XL,?
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.?
do not archive.?
?
?
?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days |
Scott, we are all proud of you and what you have accomplished. Best blue skys to
you, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: cookwithgas <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 5:01 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days
Question: How long does it take a non-flying, married guy with a full time job
and kids to build an airplane, use it to learn to fly, then get his sport pilot
license?
I did it guys. At 1:30PM Central time today, July 15th, I officially became a
certificated sport pilot. Now I can go somewhere an take someone along! Life
is good.
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL/Corvair
77 hours.
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| Subject: | IA Exam (off topic) |
I have been an A&P for three years now, and would like
to get my inspection authorization.=C2- I
know from your signature lines that there are several IA=99s on our li
st.=C2- Would any of you be kind enough to tell me
off list what I might expect on the initial interview with the FSDO authorit
ies
and perhaps some strategies for passing the test?
=C2-
Cheers,
Bill
601xl
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy open |
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| Subject: | Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport |
List:
The product listed below seems to offer a good solution for those
flying from their pastures. I have a similar 5 gallon refueling
device with a pump that refuels my tractor. It does have a pump that
takes about 200 strokes to transfer 5 gallons. However, I am
concerned about whether the Flo N Go will work for a high wing
airplane. My concern is with the last statement quoted: "Transfers
fluids on level surfaces". Has anyone used it for refueling a 701?
Flo N Go Duramax Pump - Fuel Tank
The DuraMAX fluid transfer siphon pump and patented Flo n' Go nand
pump provide the only re-filling and fluid transfer system you will
ever need. With environmentally responsible features, accidental
spills and overfilling problems are stopped, providing a safer fluid
transfer to you and the environment. So whether your fuel needs
include water craft, hunting and camping, generator, outdoor power
equipment or professional landscaping tool, the DuraMAX and Flo n' GO
combination will make refuelling easy.
Made from a durable high density polyethylene coloured vibrant red for
use with gasoline, diesel or kerosene fuels
Comes complete with a patented Flo n' Go hand pump & pump holder handle.
14 Gallon (53 Litre) capacity and a 10' (305 cm) long fuel hose.
Includes a bolt on hanger for convenient hose storage.
Quickly refuels, using a UL approved, mechanically vented fill cap.
Transfers fluids on level surfaces with minimal priming.
On Jul 17, 2008, at 8:19 , David Johnson wrote:
> >
>
> I don't know where (or if) this is available in the USA - I would be
> surprised if it isn't, but it sounds as though this is what he was
> using and it has a hand-operated pump.
>
> http://www.transair.co.uk/product4.asp?SID=2&Product_ID=7818
Stan
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| Subject: | RE: Over filling during flight? |
Hi Larry,
In the original configuration of my 601HDS, two on/off switches
controlled the pumping from the wing tanks into the header tank.
During the first 10 hours I found out that this was a terrible arrangement.
I overfilled the header tank in flight, something you have avoided so far.
This produced a very dangerous situation.
There are many ways to fix the problem,
as you can see from the suggestions by others. I opted for
a very simple solution. I replaced the on/off switches by
spring loaded switches that when released always snap back
to the off position, where according to convention
the switches point down. This arrangement forces me to hold
the switches up while pumping. Sensing the pressure of
the switches keeps my attention on the filling process.
If I have to attend to something else, I let go of the switches, and
the pumping stops right there. In 1100+ hours of flying,
this has worked well. During a cross country flight, I
typically pump up the header tank every 30 min or so,
which is done rather quickly. Actually, it gives me something
to do and reminds me to think about the fuel supply.
Happy flying,
Klaus
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Over filling during flight? |
Hi Klaus,
That's the simplest and most direct thing I've seen so far. Certainly
the easiest change to make
at this moment. Excellent idea!
Thanks,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Klaus Truemper wrote:
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> In the original configuration of my 601HDS, two on/off switches
> controlled the pumping from the wing tanks into the header tank.
> During the first 10 hours I found out that this was a terrible
> arrangement.
> I overfilled the header tank in flight, something you have avoided so
> far.
> This produced a very dangerous situation.
>
> There are many ways to fix the problem,
> as you can see from the suggestions by others. I opted for
> a very simple solution. I replaced the on/off switches by
> spring loaded switches that when released always snap back
> to the off position, where according to convention
> the switches point down. This arrangement forces me to hold
> the switches up while pumping. Sensing the pressure of
> the switches keeps my attention on the filling process.
> If I have to attend to something else, I let go of the switches, and
> the pumping stops right there. In 1100+ hours of flying,
> this has worked well. During a cross country flight, I
> typically pump up the header tank every 30 min or so,
> which is done rather quickly. Actually, it gives me something
> to do and reminds me to think about the fuel supply.
>
> Happy flying,
>
> Klaus
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Over filling during flight? |
A big second to Larry's comment, re Klaus' solution to over-filling the
header tank. This is what one of my engineering profs would have called "an
elegant solution". No added weight, no added complexity, and if you do it
from the beginning, no added cost. I'm going to modify my still incomplete
601HD accordingly. Thanks, Klaus!
George Swinford
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Over filling during flight?
>
> Hi Klaus,
> That's the simplest and most direct thing I've seen so far. Certainly the
> easiest change to make
> at this moment. Excellent idea! Thanks,
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
>
> Klaus Truemper wrote:
>>
>> Hi Larry,
>>
>> In the original configuration of my 601HDS, two on/off switches
>> controlled the pumping from the wing tanks into the header tank.
>> During the first 10 hours I found out that this was a terrible
>> arrangement.
>> I overfilled the header tank in flight, something you have avoided so
>> far.
>> This produced a very dangerous situation.
>>
>> There are many ways to fix the problem,
>> as you can see from the suggestions by others. I opted for
>> a very simple solution. I replaced the on/off switches by
>> spring loaded switches that when released always snap back
>> to the off position, where according to convention
>> the switches point down. This arrangement forces me to hold
>> the switches up while pumping. Sensing the pressure of
>> the switches keeps my attention on the filling process.
>> If I have to attend to something else, I let go of the switches, and
>> the pumping stops right there. In 1100+ hours of flying,
>> this has worked well. During a cross country flight, I
>> typically pump up the header tank every 30 min or so,
>> which is done rather quickly. Actually, it gives me something
>> to do and reminds me to think about the fuel supply.
>>
>> Happy flying,
>>
>> Klaus
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Over filling during flight? |
Greetings Klaus,
How have you integrated fuel management into your emergency restart
checklist?
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Truemper" <klaus@utdallas.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Over filling during flight?
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> In the original configuration of my 601HDS, two on/off switches
> controlled the pumping from the wing tanks into the header tank.
> During the first 10 hours I found out that this was a terrible
> arrangement.
> I overfilled the header tank in flight, something you have avoided so far.
> This produced a very dangerous situation.
>
> There are many ways to fix the problem,
> as you can see from the suggestions by others. I opted for
> a very simple solution. I replaced the on/off switches by
> spring loaded switches that when released always snap back
> to the off position, where according to convention
> the switches point down. This arrangement forces me to hold
> the switches up while pumping. Sensing the pressure of
> the switches keeps my attention on the filling process.
> If I have to attend to something else, I let go of the switches, and
> the pumping stops right there. In 1100+ hours of flying,
> this has worked well. During a cross country flight, I
> typically pump up the header tank every 30 min or so,
> which is done rather quickly. Actually, it gives me something
> to do and reminds me to think about the fuel supply.
>
> Happy flying,
>
> Klaus
>
>
> 270.4.11/1553 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 5:48 AM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy open |
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy open |
A while back, I believe it was Jay Maynard, posted some pictures of the new canopy
for 601's and that had what looked to be a very good latching mechanism with
the lock handle being on the seat back between the two seats and torque tubes
out to the sides. It also appeared to be a pull down latch. Be interesting
to see it when it comes out.
It looks like a good retrofit. Maybe Jay could elaborate.
Al Rupp
601XL 6-5765 done less engine
>From A.F.RUPP@ATT.NET
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