---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/17/08: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:21 AM - Re: New seats from Flightcrafters (chris Sinfield) 2. 05:27 AM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (cookwithgas) 3. 06:16 AM - Re: do not assume (Darryl Legg) 4. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (LHusky@aol.com) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Gig Giacona) 6. 06:45 AM - Re: New seats from Flightcrafters (Carlos Sa) 7. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (David Johnson) 8. 07:36 AM - Re: XL canopy open (japhillipsga@aol.com) 9. 08:21 AM - Re: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days (japhillipsga@aol.com) 10. 09:12 AM - IA Exam (off topic) (thesumak@aol.com) 11. 09:13 AM - Re: XL canopy open (A.F.Rupp@att.net) 12. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport (Stanley Challgren) 13. 11:45 AM - Re: Over filling during flight? (Klaus Truemper) 14. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Over filling during flight? (LarryMcFarland) 15. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Over filling during flight? (George Swinford) 16. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Over filling during flight? (raymondj) 17. 03:48 PM - Re: XL canopy open (A.F.Rupp@att.net) 18. 04:14 PM - Re: XL canopy open (A.F.Rupp@att.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:12 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New seats from Flightcrafters From: "chris Sinfield" hey Andie Photos mate, photos. Show us your new seats.... Its a bit like saying "trust me I have a drop dead girl friend" without showing us a picture. Chris.. About to do my seats and side walls.. :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193310#193310 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport From: "cookwithgas" Craig: I was at the gas station a while back and saw a guy with a large, red, flat tank laying in the back of his SUV. It had wheels and he was using it for his boat. http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/MO-06792.htm I'm sure a clever airplane-builder could figure out a way to rig up a pump to get the fuel up into the wing tank. My Corvair loves 100LL so I never did go this route but it was my plan at one time. Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair, PIC Omaha, NE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193324#193324 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: do not assume From: "Darryl Legg" Hi Carlos, I use a large ceconite square generally used by glaziers. It is 6ft long by 3ft on the 90 deg angle. Very handy. Your local glaziers should be able to point you in the right direction to purchase one. Darryl. do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193330#193330 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:04 AM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport What I have planned is this. I bought a rear rack that will go into the 2" receiver on my SUV. I bought it for $40 bucks at Harbor Freight. I then went to a boat salvage yard and bought a 25 gallon fuel tank. I will bolt that to the rack and it will have 3 electric fuel pumps on it. I have a 12V outlet in the back of my 4Runner and will just plug it into the 3 to 1 extension outlet. When the tank is empty, it will be very easy to take off the truck and store. When it is full, it is secure and NOT in my vehicle. I just hope that I don't get hit in the rear. The tank is plastic, so that helps a little. The 3 pumps put out a lot of gas, so it won't take all day to fill her up. That is my solution. I used it with my ultralight for 3 years without a problem. This is just a bigger tank! I have done a test run and it will work great and fill both tanks in less than 10 minutes. Larry Husky Madras, Oregon In a message dated 7/17/2008 5:27:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cookwithgas" Craig: I was at the gas station a while back and saw a guy with a large, red, flat tank laying in the back of his SUV. It had wheels and he was using it for his boat. http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/MO-06792.htm I'm sure a clever airplane-builder could figure out a way to rig up a pump to get the fuel up into the wing tank. My Corvair loves 100LL so I never did go this route but it was my plan at one time. Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair, PIC Omaha, NE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193324#193324 **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport From: "Gig Giacona" Since we are on the subject of homemade fueling systems keep one thing in mind. SET UP A GROUNDING SYSTEM. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193334#193334 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:13 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New seats from Flightcrafters I suppose it doesn't apply to AZ, but in colder areas one might want to consider heating elements embedded in the seat. A 'net search will produce a fair number of hits. Here's and example: http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/afcarseathea.html Carlos 2008/7/17 Dr. Andrew Elliott : > Gang: > > Got my new-style, gray colored, hot-weather seats from Flightcrafters > today. These have a medium gray cloth center section and slightly lighter > vinyl outside that on both seat bottom and back. Side panels are vinyl > covered and have a matching cloth insert which looks pretty nice. Top of > seat backs have the Zenith logo embroidered in place. Center console > section is pre-sewn to fit. All the seat parts and console have appropriate > Velcro to install in the plane. Appears to be nice workmanship. Came with > a small piece (about 1'x3') of extra vinyl material > > IMHO, a nice option from the all UltraLeather seats, which are just too > uncomfortable here in the baking Arizona sun. Also offered in a tan/brown > combination. Same price as the UltraLeather set = $985 + shipping. > > Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ > N601GE (reserved) > 601XL/TD, Corvair, building... > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:18 AM PST US From: "David Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport I don't know where (or if) this is available in the USA - I would be surprised if it isn't, but it sounds as though this is what he was using and it has a hand-operated pump. http://www.transair.co.uk/product4.asp?SID=2&Product_ID=7818 Dave Johnson 601XL Jab. 3300 - it WILL fly this year!!! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "cookwithgas" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport > > Craig: > > I was at the gas station a while back and saw a guy with a large, red, > flat tank laying in the back of his SUV. It had wheels and he was using > it for his boat. > http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/MO-06792.htm > I'm sure a clever airplane-builder could figure out a way to rig up a pump > to get the fuel up into the wing tank. > > My Corvair loves 100LL so I never did go this route but it was my plan at > one time. > > Scott Laughlin > 601XL/Corvair, PIC > Omaha, NE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193324#193324 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL canopy open From: japhillipsga@aol.com I had the right side unlatch on take off. It probably was not latched properly to begin with. I had installed metal handles just forward on the latch mechanisms on each side so I could guide the arms into the lugs and also to pull down. I have dual sticks so I continued the climb with my left hand on the controls. I have very strong hands and arms but I must admit I could not relatch the right side. I could get it down nearly latched, but not the last little bit. At TOC I flew with my knees, held the canopy down with my right hand and routed the right side seat belt through the handle and sinched it down snug. I went on and completed my flight test program. I too was surprised I could not relatch the side. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Martin Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 6:48 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL canopy open ? I have had one side come unlatched in flight a few times, always just after takeoff. I believe that all cases were caused by my failure to fully latch the canopy before takeoff. In the first instance, I was able to re-latch it after climbing to a safe, throttling back to idle and slowing down to near stall speed. Later, I installed some foam weather strip under the canopy rail. Unfortunately, this foam got pretty stiff in cold weather and made it difficult to close the canopy fully, which led to a couple more instances. With the weather strip in place, I found it impossible to re-latch the canopy in flight and had to land to do it. I have since removed the foam and am trying out a different method of sealing the gap.? ? I have never had both sides come unlatched in flight and don't think it's very likely, The design of the canopy pretty much assures that at least one side will fully latch, so both sides are not likely to come unlatched unless someone turns the release handle either accidently or intentionally.? ? On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:44 AM, chris Sinfield wrote:? ? >? > Guys and Girls,? > Just writing my emergency procedures for my XL flight manual. This > is to those that are up and flying..? >? > 1. If the canopy comes unlatched on one side or open on both sides, > can you slow down and close it again? I guess it would rise up a bit.? >? > 2. If the canopy breaks or somehow comes off, will the aircraft > still fly with all the drag from the fwd turtle deck. I know there > are some photos showing open cockpit / sports models but they appear > to have a closed turtle deck.? >? > I know that someone in a HDS once wrote that he lost his canopy and > still did a slower circuit and landed again without much problems, I > wonder if thats the same as the XL??? > Chris..? > Building and writing? > XL 6337? ? ? --Bryan Martin? N61BM, CH 601 XL,? RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.? do not archive.? ? ? ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days From: japhillipsga@aol.com Scott, we are all proud of you and what you have accomplished. Best blue skys to you, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: cookwithgas Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 5:01 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Answer: Five Years, Six Months and 16 days Question: How long does it take a non-flying, married guy with a full time job and kids to build an airplane, use it to learn to fly, then get his sport pilot license? I did it guys. At 1:30PM Central time today, July 15th, I officially became a certificated sport pilot. Now I can go somewhere an take someone along! Life is good. Scott Laughlin Omaha, Nebraska 601XL/Corvair 77 hours. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192947#192947 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:57 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: IA Exam (off topic) From: thesumak@aol.com I have been an A&P for three years now, and would like to get my inspection authorization.=C2- I know from your signature lines that there are several IA=99s on our li st.=C2- Would any of you be kind enough to tell me off list what I might expect on the initial interview with the FSDO authorit ies and perhaps some strategies for passing the test? =C2- Cheers, Bill 601xl Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:51 AM PST US From: A.F.Rupp@att.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL canopy open ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:14 AM PST US From: Stanley Challgren Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Strategies for car gas at the airport List: The product listed below seems to offer a good solution for those flying from their pastures. I have a similar 5 gallon refueling device with a pump that refuels my tractor. It does have a pump that takes about 200 strokes to transfer 5 gallons. However, I am concerned about whether the Flo N Go will work for a high wing airplane. My concern is with the last statement quoted: "Transfers fluids on level surfaces". Has anyone used it for refueling a 701? Flo N Go Duramax Pump - Fuel Tank The DuraMAX fluid transfer siphon pump and patented Flo n' Go nand pump provide the only re-filling and fluid transfer system you will ever need. With environmentally responsible features, accidental spills and overfilling problems are stopped, providing a safer fluid transfer to you and the environment. So whether your fuel needs include water craft, hunting and camping, generator, outdoor power equipment or professional landscaping tool, the DuraMAX and Flo n' GO combination will make refuelling easy. Made from a durable high density polyethylene coloured vibrant red for use with gasoline, diesel or kerosene fuels Comes complete with a patented Flo n' Go hand pump & pump holder handle. 14 Gallon (53 Litre) capacity and a 10' (305 cm) long fuel hose. Includes a bolt on hanger for convenient hose storage. Quickly refuels, using a UL approved, mechanically vented fill cap. Transfers fluids on level surfaces with minimal priming. On Jul 17, 2008, at 8:19 , David Johnson wrote: > > > > I don't know where (or if) this is available in the USA - I would be > surprised if it isn't, but it sounds as though this is what he was > using and it has a hand-operated pump. > > http://www.transair.co.uk/product4.asp?SID=2&Product_ID=7818 Stan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:52 AM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Over filling during flight? Hi Larry, In the original configuration of my 601HDS, two on/off switches controlled the pumping from the wing tanks into the header tank. During the first 10 hours I found out that this was a terrible arrangement. I overfilled the header tank in flight, something you have avoided so far. This produced a very dangerous situation. There are many ways to fix the problem, as you can see from the suggestions by others. I opted for a very simple solution. I replaced the on/off switches by spring loaded switches that when released always snap back to the off position, where according to convention the switches point down. This arrangement forces me to hold the switches up while pumping. Sensing the pressure of the switches keeps my attention on the filling process. If I have to attend to something else, I let go of the switches, and the pumping stops right there. In 1100+ hours of flying, this has worked well. During a cross country flight, I typically pump up the header tank every 30 min or so, which is done rather quickly. Actually, it gives me something to do and reminds me to think about the fuel supply. Happy flying, Klaus ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:30 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Over filling during flight? Hi Klaus, That's the simplest and most direct thing I've seen so far. Certainly the easiest change to make at this moment. Excellent idea! Thanks, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Klaus Truemper wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > In the original configuration of my 601HDS, two on/off switches > controlled the pumping from the wing tanks into the header tank. > During the first 10 hours I found out that this was a terrible > arrangement. > I overfilled the header tank in flight, something you have avoided so > far. > This produced a very dangerous situation. > > There are many ways to fix the problem, > as you can see from the suggestions by others. I opted for > a very simple solution. I replaced the on/off switches by > spring loaded switches that when released always snap back > to the off position, where according to convention > the switches point down. This arrangement forces me to hold > the switches up while pumping. Sensing the pressure of > the switches keeps my attention on the filling process. > If I have to attend to something else, I let go of the switches, and > the pumping stops right there. In 1100+ hours of flying, > this has worked well. During a cross country flight, I > typically pump up the header tank every 30 min or so, > which is done rather quickly. Actually, it gives me something > to do and reminds me to think about the fuel supply. > > Happy flying, > > Klaus ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:30 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Over filling during flight? A big second to Larry's comment, re Klaus' solution to over-filling the header tank. This is what one of my engineering profs would have called "an elegant solution". No added weight, no added complexity, and if you do it from the beginning, no added cost. I'm going to modify my still incomplete 601HD accordingly. Thanks, Klaus! George Swinford do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Over filling during flight? > > Hi Klaus, > That's the simplest and most direct thing I've seen so far. Certainly the > easiest change to make > at this moment. Excellent idea! Thanks, > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > > Klaus Truemper wrote: >> >> Hi Larry, >> >> In the original configuration of my 601HDS, two on/off switches >> controlled the pumping from the wing tanks into the header tank. >> During the first 10 hours I found out that this was a terrible >> arrangement. >> I overfilled the header tank in flight, something you have avoided so >> far. >> This produced a very dangerous situation. >> >> There are many ways to fix the problem, >> as you can see from the suggestions by others. I opted for >> a very simple solution. I replaced the on/off switches by >> spring loaded switches that when released always snap back >> to the off position, where according to convention >> the switches point down. This arrangement forces me to hold >> the switches up while pumping. Sensing the pressure of >> the switches keeps my attention on the filling process. >> If I have to attend to something else, I let go of the switches, and >> the pumping stops right there. In 1100+ hours of flying, >> this has worked well. During a cross country flight, I >> typically pump up the header tank every 30 min or so, >> which is done rather quickly. Actually, it gives me something >> to do and reminds me to think about the fuel supply. >> >> Happy flying, >> >> Klaus > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:58 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Over filling during flight? Greetings Klaus, How have you integrated fuel management into your emergency restart checklist? Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Truemper" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Over filling during flight? > > Hi Larry, > > In the original configuration of my 601HDS, two on/off switches > controlled the pumping from the wing tanks into the header tank. > During the first 10 hours I found out that this was a terrible > arrangement. > I overfilled the header tank in flight, something you have avoided so far. > This produced a very dangerous situation. > > There are many ways to fix the problem, > as you can see from the suggestions by others. I opted for > a very simple solution. I replaced the on/off switches by > spring loaded switches that when released always snap back > to the off position, where according to convention > the switches point down. This arrangement forces me to hold > the switches up while pumping. Sensing the pressure of > the switches keeps my attention on the filling process. > If I have to attend to something else, I let go of the switches, and > the pumping stops right there. In 1100+ hours of flying, > this has worked well. During a cross country flight, I > typically pump up the header tank every 30 min or so, > which is done rather quickly. Actually, it gives me something > to do and reminds me to think about the fuel supply. > > Happy flying, > > Klaus > > > 270.4.11/1553 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 5:48 AM > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:41 PM PST US From: A.F.Rupp@att.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL canopy open ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:45 PM PST US From: A.F.Rupp@att.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL canopy open A while back, I believe it was Jay Maynard, posted some pictures of the new canopy for 601's and that had what looked to be a very good latching mechanism with the lock handle being on the seat back between the two seats and torque tubes out to the sides. It also appeared to be a pull down latch. Be interesting to see it when it comes out. It looks like a good retrofit. Maybe Jay could elaborate. Al Rupp 601XL 6-5765 done less engine >From A.F.RUPP@ATT.NET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.