Zenith-List Digest Archive

Mon 07/21/08


Total Messages Posted: 30



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:18 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
     2. 05:35 AM - Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum (DaveG601XL)
     3. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: helping kids build a plane (Juan Vega)
     4. 06:58 AM - XL wing attachment (Craig Spainhower)
     5. 07:16 AM - Re: XL wing attachment (John Davis)
     6. 08:04 AM - Re: Canopy Latch (Gig Giacona)
     7. 08:08 AM - Website update. (Gig Giacona)
     8. 08:36 AM - Re: Website update. (Jay Maynard)
     9. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum (thesumak@aol.com)
    10. 10:18 AM - October Page, Az. Fly-In (Roger Lee)
    11. 11:32 AM - Re: Website update. (TxDave)
    12. 11:35 AM - Re: Over filling during flight? (Klaus Truemper)
    13. 11:50 AM - Re: Website update. (Gig Giacona)
    14. 11:57 AM - Re: Website update. (jaybannist@cs.com)
    15. 01:14 PM - Re: Website update. (Sabrina)
    16. 01:39 PM - Re: Website update. (Gig Giacona)
    17. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: helping kids build a plane (Juan Vega)
    18. 04:36 PM - XL New canopy and Latch as seen at RSA in Vichy, France last week (Barrenechea, Godo)
    19. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum (Bill Naumuk)
    20. 05:19 PM - Altimeters (Bill Naumuk)
    21. 05:32 PM - In flight adjustable prop (carl)
    22. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 (Gary Gower)
    23. 05:53 PM - Re: Altimeters (Craig Payne)
    24. 05:59 PM - Re: Altimeters (jaybannist@cs.com)
    25. 06:06 PM - Re: Altimeters (Bryan Martin)
    26. 06:23 PM - Re: Altimeters (raymondj)
    27. 06:26 PM - Re: Altimeters Correction (raymondj)
    28. 06:32 PM - Re: Altimeters 2ND Correction (raymondj)
    29. 06:36 PM - Re: In flight adjustable prop (Ashcraft, Keith - AES)
    30. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: helping kids build a plane (JohnDRead@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:18:25 AM PST US
    From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
    Subject: Chat Room Reminder
    Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. <http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/> http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George CH-701 - N73EX Flight Ready Do Not Archive


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    Time: 05:35:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum
    From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
    I never found the above mentioned Olfa knife at my local Home Depot of Lowe's stores and was too cheap to pay shipping equivalent to or greater than the purchase price of the knife. I used a regular old utility knife with great success for many long cuts. As mentioned, the key is to clamp a straight edge on the side you want to keep. That way if your knife wanders, it wanders into the cut-off side. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, ready to fly. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194090#194090


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    Time: 06:37:28 AM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: helping kids build a plane
    the plane is almost complete. they are wating for the engine and some instruments. It will be on CNN, and Fox, keep an eye out for it. the project in hind sight is almost too easy for a school project. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> >Sent: Jul 20, 2008 8:15 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: helping kids build a plane > > >Hello Juan, > >I was asked today how your Zenith build mentoring project was going. How far along are you guys? Will Captain Irving be flying it to Air Venture? > >Sounds like a perfect high school project... > >Sabrina > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194024#194024 > >


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    Time: 06:58:45 AM PST US
    From: "Craig Spainhower" <n601xs@gmail.com>
    Subject: XL wing attachment
    Thanks again for all the suggestions for installing wings. My wings are now firmly attached and fit great. I snugged the bolts but am unsure what the final torque should be. What have others used for torque on the spar attachment bolts? Craig S. N601XS, wings installed ready to rig.


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    Time: 07:16:10 AM PST US
    From: John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com>
    Subject: Re: XL wing attachment
    Hi Craig, I just did mine and torqued them to 100-140 inch pounds which is the recommend torque for AN5s. John Davis Burnsville, NC 601-XL, Jab 3300, Ready to start up the Jab.... Craig Spainhower wrote: > Thanks again for all the suggestions for installing wings. My wings > are now firmly attached and fit great. I snugged the bolts but am > unsure what the final torque should be. What have others used for > torque on the spar attachment bolts? > > Craig S. > N601XS, wings installed ready to rig. > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:04:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Canopy Latch
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
    Deforming the canopy frame isn't that hard, at least not on mine. I hope I only have to adjust the tension annually. jmaynard wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:00:12PM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote: > > > Don't get me wrong, I like the new design better than the design I have > > with the cables. But after looking at Jay's I don't think it is any less > > likely than our to have one side unlatched, though you can see that it is > > unlatched a little easier. > > > > > > I'm not sure I buy that at all. To have one side latched and one side > unlatched would require seriously deforming the canopy frame, either by > twisting or else stretching to the side - and to get the hook on the outside > of the bolt head would require a major effort to pull the latch closed, > something that would be immediately noticeable. > > I do think the ability to easily confirm proper latch engagement visually or > by touch is a major advantage, since that's a lot harder with the old > design. Basically, the relevant checklist item becomes "Canopy - latch and > verify". > > > > The plus with it is the lack of those cables that I have little doubt will > > leave me latched in the plane sooner or later. > > > > > > I'd suspect that the cable tension is one of those things that needs to be > checked at annual. > -- > Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com > http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net > Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194127#194127


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    Time: 08:08:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Website update.
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
    Not that anyone cares but I finally got around to updating my website. Includes some photos of my Corvair engine install. www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Do Not Archive -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194128#194128


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    Time: 08:36:28 AM PST US
    From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
    Subject: Re: Website update.
    On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 08:06:08AM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote: > Not that anyone cares but I finally got around to updating my website. > Includes some photos of my Corvair engine install. > www.peoamerica.net/N601WR I see you cleaned up the hangar! :-) -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)


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    Time: 09:37:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum
    From: thesumak@aol.com
    Hi David, About a year ago I found a scoring blade at Lowe's that fits into my old Stanley blade holder (picture attached).? I'm not sure if it works as well as the fabled Olfa knife, but it works fine for me. Looking forward to seeing some of you next week. Cheers, Bill 601xl -----Original Message----- From: DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 8:32 am Subject: Zenith-List: Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum I never found the above mentioned Olfa knife at my local Home Depot of Lowe's stores and was too cheap to pay shipping equivalent to or greater than the purchase price of the knife. I used a regular old utility knife with great success for many long cuts. As mentioned, the key is to clamp a straight edge on the side you want to keep. That way if your knife wanders, it wanders into the cut-off side. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, ready to fly. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194090#194090


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    Time: 10:18:12 AM PST US
    Subject: October Page, Az. Fly-In
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    Ok Guys and Gals, Here is the important info. You are all invited. The Flight Design group gets together each October for a fun few days. We will fly Monument Vally, Lake Powell, Marble Canyon, Grand canyon and Bryce Canyon. We take ground side trips during the day. We have other aircraft that come and we would like to invite the Allegro pilots. It is Oct. 16th Thursday and go home on Oct. 19th Sunday. We always have a great time. Everyone attending is fun to be with and gets along very well. We have a special rate at the same place we stayed last year. Tell them you are with the "CT Group" and the rate is $49 a night. We will arrive Thursday morning, Oct. 16th. and head home Oct. 19th. Sunday morning. Best Western Arizona Inn 716 Rim View Dr. Page, Az. 800-826-2718 928-645-2456 We will fly into the Page airport - KPGA. We are staying with the Classic FBO and with our group we should get a .30 cent discount on fuel. Classic is not the first FBO next to the runway, but the second one behind them. The Antelope Canyon tour is open if anyone wants. This is a land tour. I did some checking for those who are interested. We can take a Lake Powell lake tour by boat.. One is an evening dinner tour. It is 2.5 hours and serves Prime rib or Lasagna. It cost $87.67 per person. The other one is a boat tour that last 3 hours and goes through some famous canyons, the Navajo Tapestry tour. It cost $63.52. Orrrr we can rent 19" power boats our selves and take them out and explore the lake and fingers. The cost of the boat is $325 a day (8am-5pm). They hold eight people and this is only $40 a person. Any of the boat items they would like a 24 hour notice. These are only some ideas that I checked on. We don't have to do them and if only some want to do them that is ok. You guys are welcome to invite other planes that are not CT's and everyone is welcome. Find some more LSA's. _________________ Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maint. Rated Rotax Service Center (520) 574-1080 [/b] -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194152#194152


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    Time: 11:32:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Website update.
    From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@HOTMAIL.COM>
    It looks great, Gig. And yes, we are interested. I probably told you this before...my first flight at the ripe old age of 7 was at the airport where your hanger is located. Later on, I was a member of the El Dorado branch of the CAP. They had an old Aeronca Champ that was hangered there. Low and slow in that thing was a real blast. Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194166#194166


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    Time: 11:35:34 AM PST US
    From: Klaus Truemper <klaus@utdallas.edu>
    Subject: Re: Over filling during flight?
    Hi Raymond, Yes, the fuel transfer switches are activated while the engine is cranking. A point I forgot in the previous list for engine restarting: The most important steps should be taken before the engine has fully quit. Here is a list that seems reasonable when the engine does run okay, say is losing rpm or runs rough or stutters. 1. If there is manual mixture control, go to full rich. 2. Turn on auxiliary fuel pump. 3. Switch tanks if fuel is alternately taken from two tanks. If there are a main tank and auxiliary tanks: check fuel level in main tank and begin transfer if not at max level. 4. If there is carburetor heat and there is even a remote possibility of carburetor ice: Pull carburetor heat. It will take a bit of time for the ice to melt and the engine to speed up again. The ideal temperature for carburetor ice is 68 degF OAT since the air temperature drops by 36 degF in the carb venturi. But this is by no means a rule. I have had carb ice with a Lycoming engine that is not very susceptible to that problem, on a clear day with good visibility at 32 degF OAT. Make sure that this action is taken without delay, since otherwise preheat may no longer work. 5. Check the oil temperature. If the temperature is unusually low or unusually high, then most likely the engine is cooked. This is the best tool for diagnosing a failed engine. (I did not learn this as a student pilot, but was told about this later by experienced pilots.) 6. Check the engine oil pressure. If it is very low or zero, again the engine is cooked. 7. (Rotax) Check coolant temperature. If excessive, engine will fail shortly. Reduce power as much as possible while working on landing site. Happy flying, Klaus -- Klaus Truemper Professor Emeritus of Computer Science University of Texas at Dallas Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science EC31 P.O. Box 830688 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (972) 883-2712 klaus@utdallas.edu www.utdallas.edu/~klaus


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    Time: 11:50:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Website update.
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
    Jay no not really I just pushed some stuff out of the way. And Dave. No I didn't know that. What years were you here? TxDave wrote: > It looks great, Gig. And yes, we are interested. > > I probably told you this before...my first flight at the ripe old age of 7 was at the airport where your hanger is located. > > Later on, I was a member of the El Dorado branch of the CAP. They had an old Aeronca Champ that was hangered there. Low and slow in that thing was a real blast. > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194174#194174


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    Time: 11:57:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Website update.
    From: jaybannist@cs.com
    Gig - FWF looks familiar.? Wonder why? Looking Good!!! Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:06 am Subject: Zenith-List: Website update. Not that anyone cares but I finally got around to updating my website. Includes some photos of my Corvair engine install. www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Do Not Archive ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com


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    Time: 01:14:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Website update.
    From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
    The engine looks great... Are the piano hinges on the aluminum Corvair cowling functional--that is do they allow for easy access or are they like the piano hinges I have seen on the fiberglass Corvair cowlings, where the the hinge pin is used a quick fastener rather than a pivot point? Thanks for the updated photos... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194197#194197


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    Time: 01:39:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Website update.
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
    Yes they are functional, both up and down. Each side opens like a clam shell. Unless you are really tearing into the engine the only reason to have to pull the cowling off is to mess with the alternator and probably to remove the front two spark plugs but you might even be able to get to them. Sabrina wrote: > The engine looks great... > > Are the piano hinges on the aluminum Corvair cowling functional--that is do they allow for easy access or are they like the piano hinges I have seen on the fiberglass Corvair cowlings, where the the hinge pin is used a quick fastener rather than a pivot point? > > Thanks for the updated photos... -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194201#194201


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    Time: 03:07:17 PM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: helping kids build a plane
    -----Original Message----- >From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> >Sent: Jul 21, 2008 9:29 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: helping kids build a plane > > >the plane is almost complete. they are wating for the engine and some instruments. It will be on CNN, and Fox, keep an eye out for it. the project in hind sight is almost too easy for a school project. > >Juan > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> >>Sent: Jul 20, 2008 8:15 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: helping kids build a plane >> >> >>Hello Juan, >> >>I was asked today how your Zenith build mentoring project was going. How far along are you guys? Will Captain Irving be flying it to Air Venture? >> >>Sounds like a perfect high school project... >> >>Sabrina >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194024#194024 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 04:36:06 PM PST US
    From: "Barrenechea, Godo" <godofredo.barrenechea@hp.com>
    Subject: XL New canopy and Latch as seen at RSA in Vichy, France last
    week ...now with resized files... Hello, The weekend before last, took place the French Fly-in at Vichy, France. Zenair Europe displayed the new type canopy and the new latch system we hav e seen in Jay's pictures. The European importer had also available wing roo t fairings that you can appreciate in the pictures (the wings were detached ) Unfortunately the canopy was closed and no possibility to get it open (key was not around...) Somewhat heavy pics, so I have uploaded them to the Matronics photo share, but in the meantime I'll try to get the light version attached to the messa ge for your enjoyment... (hope it works out!) Godo Barrenechea Building a CH601 HD still... Barcelona (Spain)


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    Time: 05:00:42 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum
    Bill- That looks like it would work. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: thesumak@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum Hi David, About a year ago I found a scoring blade at Lowe's that fits into my old Stanley blade holder (picture attached). I'm not sure if it works as well as the fabled Olfa knife, but it works fine for me. Looking forward to seeing some of you next week. Cheers, Bill 601xl -----Original Message----- From: DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 8:32 am Subject: Zenith-List: Re: cutting long cuts of aluminum <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> I never found the above mentioned Olfa knife at my local Home Depot of Lowe's stores and was too cheap to pay shipping equivalent to or greater than the purchase price of the knife. I used a regular old utility knife with great success for many long cuts. As mentioned, the key is to clamp a straight edge on the side you want to keep. That way if your knife wanders, it wanders into the cut-off side. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, ready to fly. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194090#194090 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now!


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    Time: 05:19:42 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
    Subject: Altimeters
    All- What's the difference between a "Sensitive" and a "Non-sensitive" altimeter? Going Dynon for primary, researching backup steam gauges. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Systems/Corvair 95%


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    Time: 05:32:37 PM PST US
    From: "carl" <b.carl@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: In flight adjustable prop
    I have a 701/912/amphib with a warp three blade which has given me good service for over 500 hrs. I adjust the Warp at 8.5' for general flying and 10.5' for long Xcountry flights. I'm thinking of trying an Ivo in-flight adjustable to eliminate the required changing of pitch. I've read some negative comments on the net concerning Ivo propellers and wondered if anyone has had good results with 912/Ivo combination? Please reply on the list or directly to me. Carl


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    Time: 05:34:52 PM PST US
    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008
    Welcome to the list Derek,- Just one little comment about you good post: - All acidents are important and is important that all of us (pilots,-build ers and would be's) learn about them. - But also I will tell you all, that some months ago I was checking on the NT SB (sp?) reports about most of the homebuilt accidents of each month...- They are lots- of fatal and no fatal accidents.- Is dificult to just go around.- like opening the news paper daily only in the police section... - The thing I learned from this experience (lets always learn from everything we do) before I quit checking this list was,- That is more important to: Learn everything I can read or listen (hangar talk wirth the "oldies" -big -logbook pilots-)- to become a better pilot. Learn to follow the plans and instructions of the Designer of the plane I a m Building (or if is an RV Lodela: -Assembling :-)- -sorry for the joke - and understand that I am NOT ready to be a "Designer in Chief" of MY proj ect. Learn to understand my own personal limits (in weather, manuvers, "show off s", etc.) every time I fly, mostly once I have my own airplane...-- There are several more , but will never finish... - Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico. 701 912S- 220 + hrs 601XL-kit -Jab 3300- building. Do not archive. --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Derek Lewis <numskull99@netzero.net> wrote: From: Derek Lewis <numskull99@netzero.net> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 I've been lurking a while, and for me I can see many reasons why people get upset to hear of a 601 crash.- One thing we all share the same passion, we are loosing our fellow 601 drivers.- Another thing,-some don't want to feel like-they are investing allot of time and money in building a pla ne that would be more prone than other aircraft to having a failure.- Eve ryone has different ways of dealing with things, and that is what makes us different from everyone else. I also feel sometimes people reply to others before getting all the facts, or-even thinking about it for a while before posting.- Crashes are sens itive area's, everyone please think about your responses before posting the m.- Were not here to make enemies, at least I am not. As for me,-I'm sorry-to hear of the loss, and my heart goes out to the family and friends.- Enough said, I'm going back to the garage. Derek Lewis -- "Iberplanes IGL" <iberplanes@gmail.com> wrote: Gig, in this case you are right, but on a private mail Mirko told me they were h is friends, and he could not understand why he was given "the welcome reply ", of couse- now his on the ZBAG list. Regarding Rick response, you can read mine there too. For me it is imposibl e to understand why many poeple get so upset when there is an accident. Thanks for your email. 2008/7/15 Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>: Alberto, You shouldn't be surprised when a new person who says they have completed s igns on to the list for the first time and and his question is about an acc ident. I'm not saying Mirko is one of them but there are people on the Internet th at are trying to hurt competitors. That said Mirko received 3 perfectly responsible and polite replies from Ri ck, Jay and George. Not to mention Sabrina's post that proves that contrary to popular belief that teenagers do, in fact, have a clue. -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192842#192842 -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List tronics.com www.matronics.com/contribution ____________________________________________________________ Beauty Advice Just Got a Makeover Read reviews about the beauty products you have always wanted to try =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:53:37 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: Altimeters
    "Modern aircraft use a "sensitive altimeter" which has a primary needle that makes multiple revolutions, and one or more secondary needles that show the number of revolutions, similar to a clock face. In other words, each needle points to a different digit of the current altitude measurement." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altimeter -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Altimeters All- What's the difference between a "Sensitive" and a "Non-sensitive" altimeter? Going Dynon for primary, researching backup steam gauges. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Systems/Corvair 95%


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    Time: 05:59:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Altimeters
    From: jaybannist@cs.com
    Bill, I have always heard the term "sensitive" applied to altimeters that have the ability to correct for barometric pressure (the Kollsman window) ; and "non-sensitive" to those that didn't have that ability. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 7:15 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Altimeters All- ??? What's the difference between a "Sensitive" and a "Non-sensitive" altimeter? Going Dynon for primary, researching backup steam gauges. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Systems/Corvair 95% ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com


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    Time: 06:06:17 PM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Altimeters
    A non sensitive altimeter generally has only one needle to indicate the altitude. It goes from zero to the instrument's maximum reading in one sweep of the needle. A sensitive altimeter has two or more needles to indicate altitude, usually one for hundreds of feet, one for thousands of feet and possibly one for tens of thousands of feet. The sensitive altimeter allows a more precise readout of altitude but costs more than a non sensitive type. If you do much flying around controlled airspace, the sensitive altimeter makes it easier to avoid accidently violating the altitude limits of that airspace. On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote: > All- > What's the difference between a "Sensitive" and a "Non- > sensitive" altimeter? Going Dynon for primary, researching backup > steam gauges. > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS Systems/Corvair 95% -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive.


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    Time: 06:23:26 PM PST US
    From: "raymondj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Altimeters
    I think the sensitive measures in 1ft increments and the nonsensitive measures in 10 ft increments. Sensitive altimeter http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/sensitive_altimeter.php Nonsensitive altimeter http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/falconlightaltimeter.php Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Altimeters All- What's the difference between a "Sensitive" and a "Non-sensitive" altimeter? Going Dynon for primary, researching backup steam gauges. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Systems/Corvair 95% Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 2:01 PM


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    Time: 06:26:28 PM PST US
    From: "raymondj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Altimeters Correction
    ----- Original Message ----- From: "raymondj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Altimeters >I think the sensitive measures in 1ft increments and the nonsensitive >measures in 10 ft increments. > Make that 10 ft and 100 ft. Sorry. > > Sensitive altimeter > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/sensitive_altimeter.php > > > Nonsensitive altimeter > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/falconlightaltimeter.php > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > "Hope for the best, > but prepare for the worst." > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> > To: "zenith list" <zenith-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:15 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Altimeters > > > All- > What's the difference between a "Sensitive" and a "Non-sensitive" > altimeter? Going Dynon for primary, researching backup steam gauges. > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS Systems/Corvair 95% > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 2:01 PM > >


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    Time: 06:32:09 PM PST US
    From: "raymondj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Altimeters 2ND Correction
    ----- Original Message ----- From: "raymondj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Altimeters Correction > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "raymondj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Altimeters > > >>I think the sensitive measures in 1ft increments and the nonsensitive >>measures in 10 ft increments. >> > Make that 10 ft and 100 ft. Sorry. Make that 20 ft and 100 ft. Brain inoperative - no further posts tonight. >> Sensitive altimeter >> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/sensitive_altimeter.php >> >> >> Nonsensitive altimeter >> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/falconlightaltimeter.php >> >> Raymond Julian >> Kettle River, MN >> >> "Hope for the best, >> but prepare for the worst." >> >> do not archive >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net> >> To: "zenith list" <zenith-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:15 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Altimeters >> >> >> All- >> What's the difference between a "Sensitive" and a "Non-sensitive" >> altimeter? Going Dynon for primary, researching backup steam gauges. >> Bill Naumuk >> Townville, Pa. >> HDS Systems/Corvair 95% >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> 2:01 PM >> >> >


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    Time: 06:36:56 PM PST US
    Subject: In flight adjustable prop
    From: "Ashcraft, Keith - AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
    Carl, Here is a link to the Airmaster Props: http://www.airmasterpropellers.com / It's main page has a quote from Michel Beuffe G It looks like he has a CH701 with this setup. You might try to see if you c an get hold of him for input. I have thought about the IVO props also, but I am a long ways away from tha t stage right now. (but I am always looking) Good luck, Keith CH701 -- scratch N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' *************************************************************************** ****************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of carl Sent: Mon 7/21/2008 6:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: In flight adjustable prop I have a 701/912/amphib with a warp three blade which has given me good service for over 500 hrs. I adjust the Warp at 8.5' for general flying and 10.5' for long Xcountry flights. I'm thinking of trying an Ivo in-flight adjustable to eliminate the required changing of pitch. I've read some negative comments on the net concerning Ivo propellers and wondered if anyone has had good results with 912/Ivo combination? Please reply on the list or directly to me. Carl This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are in tended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addr essed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporati on. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the pres ence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any viru s transmitted by this e-mail.


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    Time: 08:51:41 PM PST US
    From: JohnDRead@aol.com
    Subject: Re: helping kids build a plane
    Hello Juan; How was you program insured? I have been trying to do a similar program in my local high school but the insurance companies keep stopping me! John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 Do not archive **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)




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