---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/23/08: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:32 AM - Re: Altimeters (Gig Giacona) 2. 06:44 AM - [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters (Gig Giacona) 3. 06:54 AM - Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 (jreekree) 4. 07:19 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters (Juan Vega) 5. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 (japhillipsga@aol.com) 6. 07:37 AM - Re: steam gauges (japhillipsga@aol.com) 7. 07:59 AM - [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters (Gig Giacona) 8. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 (Rick Lindstrom) 9. 01:08 PM - Re: steam gauges (Bryan Martin) 10. 01:23 PM - Re: steam gauges (Iberplanes IGL) 11. 02:21 PM - Re: steam gauges (Juan Vega) 12. 03:13 PM - Fuel (jaybannist@cs.com) 13. 03:27 PM - Re: Fuel (Paul Mulwitz) 14. 03:48 PM - 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions (Dave VanLanen) 15. 04:01 PM - Re: steam gauges (Jay Maynard) 16. 04:01 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions (Paul Mulwitz) 17. 04:11 PM - Re: Bright screen on Dynon D-180 (Ashley) 18. 04:17 PM - Re: Fuel (ALAN BEYER) 19. 04:20 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions (chris Sinfield) 20. 04:37 PM - Altimeters final (Bill Naumuk) 21. 04:57 PM - Re: Altimeters final (Craig Payne) 22. 04:58 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions (george may) 23. 05:11 PM - Re: Fuel (jaybannist@cs.com) 24. 08:27 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters (Juan Vega) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Altimeters From: "Gig Giacona" The only thing I'll try to talk you out if is buying a Falcon anything. In the long run, heck even the short run, it will cost you more money than a good used altimeter (sensitive or not). To figure the correct price on any Falcon instrument take the cost and add the cost of the one you will end up replacing it with. You save money by just skipping the first step. naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote: > Bryan- > This is probably the best description of the difference posted. I assume (And this is a big assumption) that the readings within the sweep of the one hand are as accurate as those of the "Sensitive" alts. > If my assumption is correct, since this is intended to be a backup instrument to the D-100 I'll be OK. I'm a relative flat-lander and have only busted 6-7K feet in a rental in Colorado. > Everyone, do your best to dissuade me- open season. > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194518#194518 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters From: "Gig Giacona" http://dynonavionics.com/docs/company_contact.html There's the link to their contact page with phone number, e-mail and snail mail addresses. There is also a link on that page for their support forum which has lots of info and they do respond quickly. If you don't get a quick response please keep in mind that this is the week before Oshkosh and if they are like other homebuilt vendors they have most if not all of their staff getting ready for that. Iberplanes wrote: > Please Juan, if you have an email, just send it to me so I can contact them -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194521#194521 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 From: "jreekree" " > Second, as someone who straps on and flies a 601XL, the specter of some yet undiscovered > or confirmed airframe defect is a constant companion in the cockpit. But surrendering > the joy of flying the 601 to a still undefined fear is no way to live, either. So > my preflights are careful and thorough, and (so far) I've yet to find slack > aileron cables, loose or missing spar bolts, signs of fretting, or any signs of > control surface flutter or stress. I know for a fact the airframe was constructed > in accordance with Zenith's construction manual with Zenith's materials to Zenith's specifications. > So in the meantime, I'll keep flying the 601. " My good friend and hangar mate Bob had the exact same response to everyone, even on April 7th when we departed for Sun-N-Fun in his 601. Still waiting on any information from the NTSB. Let's all be safe on every flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194522#194522 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:47 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters i understand your position but diagree with it. The instruments in the cabin should not at that way. I fly pretty much every day in 601. IN 100 deg weather. the dynons don't do that. MOst planes I fly down here have galss panels and they are tied down outside. they dont do that. Good Idea for the fan perhaps, but its cheaper to call the manufacturer and find out if that is normal course of businesws for the equipment. Option two is get better ventilation and shade in the cabin while being stored. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Mulwitz >Sent: Jul 22, 2008 5:50 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters > > >Hi Juan, > >I agree with you that 50 degrees Celsius is very hot. If the cabin >temperature was 37 C then it is not hard to believe it was over 50 C >inside the Dynon box. I have never worked on electronics designed to >work over 50 degrees C. The actual components are only rated to a >maximum of 70 C unless you select military grade components which >cost a lot more than the commercial ones. The difference between the >50 degree specification and the 70 degree one for the chips is the >designer's margin. This is similar to the extra strength a >mechanical or aeronautical engineer builds into his design. > >Perhaps a fan to keep the back of the instrument panel cool is a good >idea. Even some vents in the top of the area in front of the >instrument panel would be helpful from convection cooling. > >Paul >XL getting close (recovering electrical engineer) >do not archive > > >At 01:31 PM 7/22/2008, you wrote: > >>50 C is over 122 degrees! I run my Dynons at over 100 F all the >>time. I would call Dynon and see if they want to check the part >>out. It sounds suspect that a product in the cabin coud not take >>hot temps at 37c, thats not out of its element. >> >>Juan > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 From: japhillipsga@aol.com maybe you fellows ought to think about getting married. -----Original Message----- From: Sabrina Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 9:46 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 in the red corner Rick... in the blue corner Gnuse... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194470#194470 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/zenith_dinner_2008_130.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges From: japhillipsga@aol.com Darrell, if your going to buy steam gauges I recommend you buy good ones. When I built my XL I low balled and I ended up in the first year and a half replacing most all the "cheap" gauges I originally installed. China does a lot of things real good, but if their fighter planes use their gauges we will never have anything to fear from them. I am building a RV-8a now and intend an all glass panel. For what I paid for the "cheap" gauges and there more expensive replacements I could have bought Garmin 850. Best wishes and blue sky's, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: Darrell Haas Sent: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 1:00 am Subject: Zenith-List: steam gauges For those of you out there using steam gauges, what brand and why you chose it- ie What about Falcon etc. I had a great experience or the stupid thing only lasted a week. Thank you, Darrell Haas 601 XL N23DD working on fuse ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:24 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters From: "Gig Giacona" I tried to save you the call. The specs on the Dynon show a max operating temp of 50 C. That is from the manual which is available at their website. I would certainly hope that Dynon included auto off in the system. The alternative is for the thing to burn itself up. amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote: > i understand your position but diagree with it. The instruments in the cabin should not at that way. I fly pretty much every day in 601. IN 100 deg weather. the dynons don't do that. MOst planes I fly down here have galss panels and they are tied down outside. they dont do that. Good Idea for the fan perhaps, but its cheaper to call the manufacturer and find out if that is normal course of businesws for the equipment. Option two is get better ventilation and shade in the cabin while being stored. > > Juan > > -- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194539#194539 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:02 AM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 I'll pass. One spouse, for 25+ years, is enough. But thanks for the suggestion! rick -----Original Message----- >From: japhillipsga@aol.com >Sent: Jul 23, 2008 7:25 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 > >maybe you fellows ought to think about getting married. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sabrina >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 9:46 pm >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Wing Failure 4/7/2008 > > > >in the red corner Rick... in the blue corner Gnuse... > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194470#194470 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/zenith_dinner_2008_130.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:30 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges I bought most of my flight instruments from eBay. I paid about a third of the retail cost. Most of them were pulled out of old Cessnas or Pipers and sold in eBay auctions. The used RC Allan gyro horizon lasted about two years and then the motor burned out but the new RC Allan directional Gyro is still going strong. My ASI, VSI, turn and bank and altimeter were all bought used and are all U.S. made and still working fine. I've flown the plane about 330 hours over the last four years. I haven't heard much good about Falcon gauges but have no personal experience with them. On Jul 23, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Darrell Haas wrote: > For those of you out there using steam gauges, what brand and why > you chose it- ie What about Falcon etc. I had a great experience or > the stupid thing only lasted a week. Thank you, > Darrell Haas > 601 XL > N23DD > working on fuse -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:25 PM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone knows, are electrical or vacuum ? THX Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:21 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges They are made to order so they put what you want. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Iberplanes IGL >Sent: Jul 23, 2008 4:20 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges > >What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone knows, are >electrical or vacuum ? > >THX > >Alberto Martin >www.iberplanes.es >Igualada - Barcelona - Spain > >---------------------------------------------- >Zodiac 601 XL Builder >Serial: 6-7011 > >Tail Kit: Finished >Wings: Not Started >Fuselage: Ordered >Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel From: jaybannist@cs.com Can anyone tell me how many USABLE gallons of fuel there are in a 15 gallon 601XL tank? (My DAR instructed me to placard the fuel selector with usable gallons in each tank) Jay in Dallas ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:43 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Hi Jay, I'm afraid you will have to measure the useable fuel in your plane. This will vary from one plane to another and one tank to another. Each tank will have its own maximum fuel it can hold before venting it overboard. Also, the geometry of the fuel line with relation to the tank will determine how much remains when the line stops delivering fuel. One little point. You don't want the fuel line drawing fuel from the absolute bottom of the tank since that is where water will accumulate. Good luck, Paul XL getting close At 03:09 PM 7/23/2008, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me how many USABLE gallons of fuel there are in a 15 >gallon 601XL tank? (My DAR instructed me to placard the fuel >selector with usable gallons in each tank) > >Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:17 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions I have a few questions regarding the 601XL fuel system: * Photo Assembly Guide page 6-K-1b references VDO fuel gauge P/N 301-020, and explains how to connect the wiring from the sender unit to the gauge. Are these gauges supposed to be part of the kit, (I cannot find them and do not see them listed in the kit packing list)? * Is it more reliable to run the fuel tank and fuel sender ground wires directly to the ground buss vs. grounding them to the airframe, (I am priming all faying surfaces so I am concerned about a poor ground)? * Does anyone know if the VDO fuel senders will work for anything other than the VDO fuel gauges? Will they work with any EIS systems? Thanks, Dave Van Lanen 601XL - starting on wings ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:31 PM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:20:42PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote: > What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone knows, are > electrical or vacuum ? AMD does not use vacuum gyro instruments, just electric ones. I don't know the make and model off the top of my head. I'll look at the book later to see if they're listed. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:32 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions Hi Dave, My fuel kit included the VDO senders. If you didn't get them you should contact ZAC for further information. (you might check your packing list first . . . ) I think the best way to deal with the ground question is to run a wire from the center portion of the sender to the wing metal. You also need to ground the tank. This should not present a noise problem since the sender is very low power and doesn't change quickly. You can use the VDO sender with nearly any indicator. There are several different specifications for the signals from fuel senders. You just need to match the resistance and direction of change in resistance from the sender to the indicator. I suspect any EIS can be programmed for any sender arrangement. If you use "Steam" gauges you need to choose the proper specification from a list of similar gauges. Good luck, Paul XL getting close At 03:45 PM 7/23/2008, you wrote: >I have a few questions regarding the 601XL fuel system: > >=A7 Photo Assembly Guide page 6-K-1b >references VDO fuel gauge P/N 301-020, and >explains how to connect the wiring from the >sender unit to the gauge. Are these gauges >supposed to be part of the kit, (I cannot find >them and do not see them listed in the kit packing list)? > >=A7 Is it more reliable to run the fuel tank >and fuel sender ground wires directly to the >ground buss vs. grounding them to the airframe, >(I am priming all faying surfaces so I am concerned about a poor ground)? > >=A7 Does anyone know if the VDO fuel senders >will work for anything other than the VDO fuel >gauges? Will they work with any EIS systems? > >Thanks, > >Dave Van Lanen ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:26 PM PST US From: "Ashley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bright screen on Dynon D-180 I just got mine back with the Bright screen. I also installed a D10A normal screen. On today's flight (first on the new screen), I did not really notice any difference between the screens. So, would I do it again? Probably not. Floyd Wilkes 601XL O-200A ----- Original Message ----- From: J.T. Machin To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Bright screen on Dynon D-180 I am sending in by D-180 for service and I was considering upgrading the screen. Does anyone have an opinion on whether or not the upgrade is needed or worth the expense when used in a Zodiac? Jim Machin 601 Xl Quickbuild, 0-200 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:23 PM PST US From: ALAN BEYER Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Hi Jay,=0A-=0AI can't tell you the amount of usable fuel in an XL.- I h ave an HDS with an 11 (10.5 usable) gallon tank-in each wing and an 8 (8 usable ) gallon header tank.- I filled all tanks- with a measured amoun t of fuel and then drained them and measured the amount of fuel removed.- Remember this is only a static test.=0A-=0AOshkosh Update=0AI fly out of Oshkosh and went for a flight today for about 2 Hrs.- The worst part was trying to contact ground.- There was so much traffic it took about 20 Mi n. to get through. I don't think they have their ground people out yet to d irect traffic to the parking areas so they were talking them to parking and camping spots.- Once in the air it was better.- When I came back in th ere were 3 or 4 of us landing on 36 and about the same landing on 27.- Th e good news is the new TOWER is open and the radar is up and running.- Wi th the extra traffic the radar is great to have here.=0A-=0AI will have m y plane on the flight line again this year and look forward to meeting some of the people from this list.- I hope that you all have a good flight. - I will have to get a lot of rest because I have about a 1/2 mile to tax i on Sunday.=0A-=0AFly and drive safely and see you on the flight line, =0AAL from Oshkosh=0A601 HDS (N645AB) Red/White=0A=0A=0A----- Original Mess age ----=0AFrom: "jaybannist@cs.com" =0ATo: zenith-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:09:57 PM=0ASubject: Zenith -List: Fuel=0A=0ACan anyone tell me how many USABLE gallons of fuel there a re in a 15 gallon 601XL tank? (My DAR instructed me to placard the fuel sel ector with usable gallons in each tank)=0A=0AJay in Dallas=0A=0A=0A________ ________________________=0AEmail message sent from CompuServe - visit us to ========= ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:02 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions From: "chris Sinfield" The Senders come with the kit, the guages don't as Zenith don't know what type of panel you have ie Glass does not need the VDO guages.. I got mine from the USA.. do a google search for the part numbers.. Watch out for the correct Ohms.. They are matched VW senders.. Chris. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194620#194620 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:41 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Altimeters final All- Wow, lots of feedback on this one! There's no sense having a backup you can't rely on, so I guess I'm in the market for a reliable used ASI and ALT. Anyone with leads please contact me off-list. Thanks. do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Systems/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:10 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Altimeters final One final thought - back up electronics with electronics. One of the reasons we choose EFIS in the first place is to get away from mechanical gauges. So why add them back into the mix? Something like an MGL ALT-1 or ASI-1 from their 2.25 inch "Infinity" line will run for more than an hour on a 9 volt "transistor" battery. And/or tie them into the back-up supply for the Dynon. http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Infinitec/Infinity.html#IALT1 http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Infinitec/Infinity.html#IASI1 I'm looking at doing this with MGL's Flight II (ASI, ALT, RPM and more in a 3 inch gauge) as a back-up to my MGL Enigma: http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Docs/flight2.pdf -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Altimeters final All- Wow, lots of feedback on this one! There's no sense having a backup you can't rely on, so I guess I'm in the market for a reliable used ASI and ALT. Anyone with leads please contact me off-list. Thanks. do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Systems/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:36 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions Dave-- Fuel guages are not part of kit. You'll have to buy analog ones or use an EIS. The grounding=2C so long as it is secured properly=2C is just as good to a irframe as to the ground buzz. The VDO senders will drive EIS or analog guages George May 601XL 912s From: davevanlanen@sbcglobal.netTo: zenith601-list@matronics.com=3B zenith- list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Sender / Gauge Questions I have a few questions regarding the 601XL fuel system: =A7 Photo Assembly Guide page 6-K-1b references VDO fuel gauge P/N 30 1-020=2C and explains how to connect the wiring from the sender unit to the gauge. Are these gauges supposed to be part of the kit=2C (I cannot find them and do not see them listed in the kit packing list)? =A7 Is it more reliable to run the fuel tank and fuel sender ground w ires directly to the ground buss vs. grounding them to the airframe=2C (I a m priming all faying surfaces so I am concerned about a poor ground)? =A7 Does anyone know if the VDO fuel senders will work for anything o ther than the VDO fuel gauges? Will they work with any EIS systems? Thanks=2C Dave Van Lanen 601XL ' starting on wings _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel From: jaybannist@cs.com I suppose I should have asked my question about ZAC supplied 15 gal fuel tanks.? I don't know why those would be any different from mine. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mulwitz Sent: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 5:25 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel ? Hi Jay,? ? I'm afraid you will have to measure the useable fuel in your plane. This will vary from one plane to another and one tank to another.? ? Each tank will have its own maximum fuel it can hold before venting it overboard. Also, the geometry of the fuel line with relation to the tank will determine how much remains when the line stops delivering fuel.? ? One little point. You don't want the fuel line drawing fuel from the absolute bottom of the tank since that is where water will accumulate.? ? Good luck,? ? Paul? XL getting close? ? At 03:09 PM 7/23/2008, you wrote:? ? >Can anyone tell me how many USABLE gallons of fuel there are in a 15 >gallon 601XL tank? (My DAR instructed me to placard the fuel >selector with usable gallons in each tank)? >? >Jay in Dallas? ? ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:25 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters Gig, Agreed. Hey dude, I checked out your website and the progress of your project. Nice PLane! I like your IFR template for the COckpit Panel. I actually miss building now. It was fun to have something to do after putting the kid and wife to bed. Hope you are enjoying the project. Cheers, Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Gig Giacona >Sent: Jul 23, 2008 10:56 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: [Probable Spam] Re: Altimeters > > >I tried to save you the call. The specs on the Dynon show a max operating temp of 50 C. That is from the manual which is available at their website. I would certainly hope that Dynon included auto off in the system. The alternative is for the thing to burn itself up. > > >amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote: >> i understand your position but diagree with it. The instruments in the cabin should not at that way. I fly pretty much every day in 601. IN 100 deg weather. the dynons don't do that. MOst planes I fly down here have galss panels and they are tied down outside. they dont do that. Good Idea for the fan perhaps, but its cheaper to call the manufacturer and find out if that is normal course of businesws for the equipment. Option two is get better ventilation and shade in the cabin while being stored. >> >> Juan >> >> -- > > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194539#194539 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.