---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/24/08: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:36 AM - Re: steam gauges (Jay Maynard) 2. 05:54 AM - iN FLIGHT ADJUSTABLE PROP (carl) 3. 05:56 AM - mt and cowl (Bill Flick) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: steam gauges (Gig Giacona) 5. 06:26 AM - Central Oregon Air Show (LHusky@aol.com) 6. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: steam gauges (Jay Maynard) 7. 07:35 AM - Re: Altimeters (John Goodings) 8. 08:20 AM - 701 for sale (Flydog1966@aol.com) 9. 08:26 AM - Re: Altimeters (Gig Giacona) 10. 09:51 AM - Backup steam gauges (john butterfield) 11. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Altimeters (Bill Steer) 12. 10:50 AM - Re: Bright screen on Dynon D-180 (J.T. Machin) 13. 12:59 PM - Re: steam gauges (Iberplanes IGL) 14. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Altimeters (Iberplanes IGL) 15. 01:25 PM - Re: steam gauges (Jay Maynard) 16. 01:47 PM - Oshkosh (Pete Krotje) 17. 02:03 PM - Re: steam gauges (Juan Vega) 18. 03:15 PM - Re: steam gauges (Jay Maynard) 19. 08:35 PM - Re: steam gauges (Juan Vega) 20. 08:35 PM - Re: steam gauges (Juan Vega) 21. 08:35 PM - Re: steam gauges (Juan Vega) 22. 09:18 PM - Re: steam gauges (Jay Maynard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:56 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58:53PM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:20:42PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote: > > What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone knows, are > > electrical or vacuum ? > AMD does not use vacuum gyro instruments, just electric ones. I don't know > the make and model off the top of my head. I'll look at the book later to > see if they're listed. Couldn't find them in any of the books. Sorry. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:22 AM PST US From: "carl" Subject: Zenith-List: iN FLIGHT ADJUSTABLE PROP Thanks to all who answered my post for info on subject. I'm going to Osh better prepared to look at what is available. Hope to meet some of you. Do not archive Carl ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:33 AM PST US From: "Bill Flick" Subject: Zenith-List: mt and cowl still need a used cowl and mt for a ea-81 subaru into a 601 hds. thanks ralph ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:43 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: steam gauges From: "Gig Giacona" [quote="jmaynard"]On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58:53PM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote: Couldn't find them in any of the books. Sorry. -- Jay, if they are Falcon you will know soon enough. DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194686#194686 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:10 AM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Central Oregon Air Show We are having our Central Oregon Air Show coming up the 22nd and 23rd of August. I would love to see some Zeniths at the show. It is going to be a really good show. I am hoping to have my XL there next year. I hope there are some local Zenith planes that can make this show. Larry Husky Madras, Oregon **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:11 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: steam gauges On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 06:16:47AM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58:53PM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote: > >Couldn't find them in any of the books. Sorry. > Jay, if they are Falcon you will know soon enough. They're not; I looked at them when AMD had the panel open. After looking at the Aircraft Spruce catalog online, I think they're RC Allen RCA26-AK1 AI, RC Allen RCA15AK-1 DG, a United Instruments VSI, and I think a United altimeter as well. Can't tell about the TC or airspeed gauge. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:25 AM PST US From: John Goodings Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Altimeters My Falcon sensitive altimeter has behaved perfectly from the beginning. It has now been in operation for more than 3 years. John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Ottawa. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:16 AM PST US From: Flydog1966@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 for sale I have a very nearly complete 701 fuselage I'd like to sell. Includes nose gear strut,rudder pedals,control stick ,flap handle,flap control,etc all installed. When I installed the gear/strut pick-up I found the wing strut will not line up with the wing attach point. So I figured I'd make new ones with the correct angle(plans were wrong) but find I just can not make the bolt holes in the new ones line up with the existing holes in the fuselage.Nor can I go oversize bolts and maintain the 2X edge distance. I've abandoned this project and will sell it for $1,000. That's right, an assembled fuselage for less than the price of materials ! Fix this and its ready to go on the gear, and add wings. Its located in Westford Ma. Sorry, no pics. Tried to sign up for the new 701 list but had no luck, feel free to cross post. do not archive Phil Day **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Altimeters From: "Gig Giacona" You are truly blessed. I know of 9 different Falcon instruments installed in 5 different planes and all but 1 instrument failed in less than a year. goodings(at)yorku.ca wrote: > My Falcon sensitive altimeter has behaved perfectly from the beginning. > It has now been in operation for more than 3 years. > > John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Ottawa. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194716#194716 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:14 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: Backup steam gauges Hi list Read Bill Naumuk's comments this morning re back up alt and ASI. I am using the MGL glass panel for my machine and suggest you look at an Angle of Attack system for your backups. It gives you what you need as to flying the plane. If your IFR, and lose everything, an additional altimeter will be almost useless anyway. Also, they make pretty good watches that will give you altimeter and heading readings. Just a thought. John Butterfield XL, Corvair torrance, CA ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:29 AM PST US From: "Bill Steer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Altimeters Mine's not even off the ground yet, but I've to reset the Kollsman window twice on it. Sometimes it jumps thousands of feet in equivalent altitude for a given barometic setting. Bill Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Altimeters > > You are truly blessed. I know of 9 different Falcon instruments installed > in 5 different planes and all but 1 instrument failed in less than a year. > > > goodings(at)yorku.ca wrote: >> My Falcon sensitive altimeter has behaved perfectly from the beginning. >> It has now been in operation for more than 3 years. >> >> John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Ottawa. > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194716#194716 > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 6:59 AM > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:31 AM PST US From: "J.T. Machin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bright screen on Dynon D-180 Thanks for the info, unfortunately I already sent the unit back for the upg rade, oh well I suppose it can't hurt. Jim --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Ashley wrote: From: Ashley Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bright screen on Dynon D-180 I just got mine back with the Bright screen.- I also installed a D10A normal screen. On today's flight (first on the new screen), I did not really notice any difference between the screens. So, would I do it again? Probably not. - Floyd Wilkes 601XL O-200A - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: J.T. Machin To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Bright screen on Dynon D-180 I am sending in by D-180 for service and I was considering upgrading the screen.- Does anyone have an opinion on whether or not the upgrade is needed or worth the expense when used in a Zodiac?- Jim Machin 601 Xl Quickbuild, 0-200 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com /contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:17 PM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges Thanks Jay, Electric are better than the vacuum, that=B4s why they are so expensive. 2008/7/24 Jay Maynard : > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58:53PM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:20:42PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote: > > > What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone > knows, are > > > electrical or vacuum ? > > AMD does not use vacuum gyro instruments, just electric ones. I don't > know > > the make and model off the top of my head. I'll look at the book later to > > see if they're listed. > > Couldn't find them in any of the books. Sorry. > -- > Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com > http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net > Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:39 PM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Altimeters What about RC Allen? Is it considered a reliable brand? 2008/7/24 John Goodings : > > My Falcon sensitive altimeter has behaved perfectly from the beginning. It > has now been in operation for more than 3 years. > > John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Ottawa. > > -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:46 PM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:56:09PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote: > Electric are better than the vacuum, that?s why they are so expensive. I'll second that. I'm REALLY happy that my airplane has no vacuum pump. Even the weight of the backup instrument battery is small price to pay for that, and it's not all that heavy. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:26 PM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh Hi All (or now that I've been in Tennessee for 3.5 years- Hi Y'all) Jabiru USA will be minimally staffed from Friday July 25th through Monday August 4th as most of us will be at the Oshkosh Airventure show. We will be checking our email, though, so if you need to get us a message please email info@usjabiru.com Visit us at the show in the North Aircraft Display - booth 410 & 411. Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:00 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges Actually if you compare electronic versus the price of a standard six pack vaccuum system. Elctronic kicks its butt in pricing. A dynon EFIS system is almost half the price of the standrd Vac guages including Art. Horizon. Less maintenance as well. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jay Maynard >Sent: Jul 24, 2008 4:22 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges > > >On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:56:09PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote: >> Electric are better than the vacuum, that?s why they are so expensive. > >I'll second that. I'm REALLY happy that my airplane has no vacuum pump. Even >the weight of the backup instrument battery is small price to pay for that, >and it's not all that heavy. >-- >Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com >http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net >Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) >AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:04 PM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Juan Vega wrote: > Actually if you compare electronic versus the price of a standard six pack > vaccuum system. Elctronic kicks its butt in pricing. A dynon EFIS system > is almost half the price of the standrd Vac guages including Art. Horizon. > Less maintenance as well. Compare apples to apples. The Dynon is not TSOd. TSOd glass panels are a lot more expensive. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:37 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges WHo gives a ^%$#^ bout TSO. TSO means pay out the ass for licensing that does not make anything safer. If it can go in the Rutan Rocket ship, its good enough for some rincky dinky EAB at 110 mph in my eyes. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jay Maynard >Sent: Jul 24, 2008 6:11 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges > > >On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Juan Vega wrote: >> Actually if you compare electronic versus the price of a standard six pack >> vaccuum system. Elctronic kicks its butt in pricing. A dynon EFIS system >> is almost half the price of the standrd Vac guages including Art. Horizon. >> Less maintenance as well. > >Compare apples to apples. The Dynon is not TSOd. TSOd glass panels are a lot >more expensive. >-- >Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com >http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net >Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) >AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:37 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges WHo gives a ^%$#^ bout TSO. TSO means pay out the ass for licensing that does not make anything safer. If it can go in the Rutan Rocket ship, its good enough for some rincky dinky EAB at 110 mph in my eyes. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jay Maynard >Sent: Jul 24, 2008 6:11 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges > > >On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Juan Vega wrote: >> Actually if you compare electronic versus the price of a standard six pack >> vaccuum system. Elctronic kicks its butt in pricing. A dynon EFIS system >> is almost half the price of the standrd Vac guages including Art. Horizon. >> Less maintenance as well. > >Compare apples to apples. The Dynon is not TSOd. TSOd glass panels are a lot >more expensive. >-- >Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com >http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net >Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) >AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:38 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges WHo gives a ^%$#^ bout TSO. TSO means pay out the ass for licensing that does not make anything safer. If it can go in the Rutan Rocket ship, its good enough for some rincky dinky EAB at 110 mph in my eyes. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jay Maynard >Sent: Jul 24, 2008 6:11 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges > > >On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Juan Vega wrote: >> Actually if you compare electronic versus the price of a standard six pack >> vaccuum system. Elctronic kicks its butt in pricing. A dynon EFIS system >> is almost half the price of the standrd Vac guages including Art. Horizon. >> Less maintenance as well. > >Compare apples to apples. The Dynon is not TSOd. TSOd glass panels are a lot >more expensive. >-- >Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com >http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net >Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) >AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:17 PM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: steam gauges On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:28:45PM -0400, Juan Vega wrote: > WHo gives a ^%$#^ bout TSO. TSO means pay out the ass for licensing that > does not make anything safer. TSO also means, for a factory built aircraft, "legal for IFR" for the primary flight instruments. That is why I went with steam gauges instead of a Dynon. It alo means that comparing costs is not apples-to-apples. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) 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