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1. 06:36 AM - Re: CH 650 LS (Gig Giacona)
2. 06:38 AM - Flying to OSH for the first time NEXT year? (Gig Giacona)
3. 07:04 AM - Re: CH 650 LS (Jay Maynard)
4. 07:39 AM - Re: CH 650 LS (Gig Giacona)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: CH 650 LS (Jay Maynard)
6. 09:09 AM - Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site (TxDave)
7. 10:05 AM - Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 10:23 AM - Re: CH 650 LS (Sabrina)
9. 10:35 AM - Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site (ernie)
10. 11:57 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
11. 12:01 PM - Corvair Fuel Lines ()
12. 12:09 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: ch601 HDS BUNGEE HELP !!! (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
13. 01:12 PM - Re: Corvair Fuel Lines (Gig Giacona)
14. 01:12 PM - Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site (Gig Giacona)
15. 01:25 PM - Re: Chris Heintz letter (ashontz)
16. 05:42 PM - Re: CH 650 LS (dstasch)
17. 06:07 PM - Re: Corvair Fuel Lines (Roger & Lina Hill)
18. 06:52 PM - Re: Corvair Fuel Lines (Gary Ray)
19. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: CH 650 LS (Juan Vega)
20. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Chris Heintz letter (Juan Vega)
21. 08:01 PM - Wing Root Moulding - 601XL (dingfelder)
22. 10:09 PM - Photos at Osh of new aircraft (Jon Croke)
23. 10:36 PM - New Panel Design (lykowdk)
24. 10:56 PM - Re: New Panel Design (lykowdk)
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The renaming is. The changes are all things I had heard about at various other
times. The one exception is the wing angle changes. I'd not heard of that one.
[quote="jeffrey_davidson(at)earth"]On the AMD web site I found this:
Redesigned in 2008 - the Zodiac CH 650:
"The Zodiac CH 601 XL aircraft was redesigned for the Light Sport Aircraft category
in 2004. The Zodiac CH 650 LS and LSi are different than the XL. The 650
series incorporates many changes that were made to the 601 series in Europe and
around the world. The 650 series incorporates the best of everything. The Most
noticeable difference is the canopy and rudder. Other changes includes lowering
of the trailing edge of the wings (lowers the nose of the aircraft for better
visibility), control changes (more balanced), tougher fuselage (good for
flying schools), new canopy latching - locking system (easier to close and open
the canopy), and a lot more."
The canopy appears to offer some roll-over protection and the rudder is all-flying
but looks different. Part of the canopy is fixed in place.
Is this new or am I just catching up?
Jeff Davidson
> [b]
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Flying to OSH for the first time NEXT year? |
If you have never flown into OSH during Airventure and are planning to do it next
year or some time in the future you might want to listen to this during this
week.
http://d.liveatc.net/kosh2.m3u
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:00:41PM -0400, Jeff wrote:
> Is this new or am I just catching up?
This is the aircraft I posted pictures of in early June while I was at the
AMD factory. I still haven't decided what I think of it: there's less
baggage space, and what there is is under plexiglass instead of metal. The
latching mechanism is the same one I have on mine. The rudder is a bit
different, but not dramatically so. I didn't know about the changed angle of
incidence on the wing; I don't know what difference it'll make, but lowering
the nose during the flare compared to the 601XL is probably a good thing.
I do note that the 650LS/LSi is $15K more expensive than the last price on
the AMD 601XL. At that, it's still a good deal, but not the bargain mine
was. :-) After all, the only other IFR-capable SLSA is still $10K more, and
that's if its price hasn't gone up since March...
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)
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I know you don't like to use it Jay, but there's a little switch there in the center
of your panel that will bring that nose right down. :)
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jmaynard wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:00:41PM -0400, Jeff wrote:
>
> > Is this new or am I just catching up?
> >
> >
>
> This is the aircraft I posted pictures of in early June while I was at the
> AMD factory. I still haven't decided what I think of it: there's less
> baggage space, and what there is is under plexiglass instead of metal. The
> latching mechanism is the same one I have on mine. The rudder is a bit
> different, but not dramatically so. I didn't know about the changed angle of
> incidence on the wing; I don't know what difference it'll make, but lowering
> the nose during the flare compared to the 601XL is probably a good thing.
>
> I do note that the 650LS/LSi is $15K more expensive than the last price on
> the AMD 601XL. At that, it's still a good deal, but not the bargain mine
> was. :-) After all, the only other IFR-capable SLSA is still $10K more, and
> that's if its price hasn't gone up since March...
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:36:38AM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote:
> I know you don't like to use it Jay, but there's a little switch there in
> the center of your panel that will bring that nose right down. :)
Oh, it does that just fine all the way *to* the flare, but it doesn't help
much at all *in* the flare. :-)
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)
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| Subject: | Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site |
Maybe I'm behind the times, but the CH 650 is now on the Zenith web site.
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/index.html
Looks pretty cool to me.
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site |
I wonder if ZAC was ever planning on making a new product
announcement . . . Maybe they were hoping the world would just
forget about the XL . . .
Paul
XL nearly done
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At 09:06 AM 7/28/2008, you wrote:
>Maybe I'm behind the times, but the CH 650 is now on the Zenith web site.
>
>http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/index.html
>
>
>Looks pretty cool to me.
>
>Dave Clay
>Temple, TX
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Hey guys, I was checking out the 650 at Oshkosh this past Saturday... the rear
fuselage is more truss like rather than our boxed version with the addition
of longerons placed in a Pratt Truss configuration.
My sources tell me CH calls it a total redesign. CH is still in France and will
not be at the dinner this year.
According to AMD, this particular 650's wings were built in Canada. The top leading
edge has a depression after the fuel tank, and each of the outboard nose
ribs seem to be set lower on the spar creating a distinct ripple effect on the
leading edge. I don't like the look, but it might add strength. Any one else
up here, please look at it and tell me what you think--maybe it was the just
the lighting on Saturday.
The wing's rear spar attach is NOTICEABLY lower, yet the horizontal stab did not
seem to be pitched any differently.
The rudder now has a cap along with a trailing edge and different shape.
Gig... I could not find the Garmin "596" information for you this weekend as they
were unpacking, I am at Women Soar now, I will check again later this week...
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| Subject: | Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site |
Looks good to me also, I wonder if my 601xl wing kit can be used with a new
650 fuselage kit.
Maybe being lazy has benefits.
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E
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:06 AM, TxDave <dclaytx2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm behind the times, but the CH 650 is now on the Zenith web site.
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/index.html
>
>
> Looks pretty cool to me.
>
> Dave Clay
> Temple, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195361#195361
>
>
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
Eastern Time.
<http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/> http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
George
CH-701 - N73EX
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| Subject: | Corvair Fuel Lines |
Now that I'm about to start on the plumbing, I'm wondering aobut the
capacity of the 1/4" fuel lines supplied by Zenith---- Are they
sufficient to feed a Corvair engine at full throttle, or should I move
up to 3/8" lines? Any consensus out there?
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: ch601 HDS BUNGEE HELP !!! |
Thanks Larry, I will try the welded socket first. Jerry of Ga
In a message dated 7/27/2008 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
larry@macsmachine.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi Jerry,
The bolts inserted from the outside in is difficult, but you can weld a
socket to an "L" handle that will enable the fixed position while
turning the head from outside.
See tool at the link,
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/TJH/gearAW/full/gear-support-nut-holding-wr.
gif
A perhaps better solution suggested the use of a metal strip that had
matching threaded holes that could be found and more easily got to from
the outside.
Pushing the bungees out of the way is also great fun while putting the
nuts in, but I've done this three times and can do it in about
20-minutes now.
Larry McFarland
jeyoung65@aol.com wrote:
> Larry, Not sure you have not already covered this BUT I am having one
> BIG job trying to install the nuts on the top bolts that goes through
> the angles on the wing bottom. Have though about removing the gears
> and installing nut plates. Cann't see or feel the bolts. How did you
> do it? Thanks Jerry of Ga.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 7:58 pm
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch601 HDS BUNGEE HELP !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Fuel Lines |
Yes they are.
[quote="paulrod36(at)msn.com"] Now that I'm about to start on the plumbing, I'm
wondering aobut the capacity of the 1/4" fuel lines supplied by Zenith---- Are
they sufficient to feed a Corvair engine at full throttle, or should I move
up to 3/8" lines? Any consensus out there?
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
> [b]
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site |
Oshkosh, which started today seems like the logical place to make such an announcement.
I'd be will to bet they aren't hoping that.
psm(at)att.net wrote:
> I wonder if ZAC was ever planning on making a new product
> announcement . . . Maybe they were hoping the world would just
> forget about the XL . . .
>
> Paul
> XL nearly done
> do not archive
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Heintz letter |
I'm going to guess this was the problem in the couple of in-flight breakups that
occurred. It's possible the XL has more aero-elasticity than the HD or HDS that
may make cable tension more critical in the XL, not that you should ever have
loose cables, but the XL may be less forgiving with the full 12' wing panels
as opposed to the center wing and shorter outer panels of the HD and HDS.
I'm thinking the XL may be more suited to push-pull tubes for controls as well
as control surface balancing. Between the two of them, there'd probably never
be a problem related to flutter. It's just a high performance plane.
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Andy Shontz
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Hello everyone,
After a lot of research, gathering tools and saving money, I've had my heart set
on the 601xl. Now that I'm ready to order my rudder kit, I see this thread
on the 650sl and now I'm not sure which kit to order.
I like everything about the xl. I know about the wing issues but I feel with the
independent engineering testing from the ZBAG group, and everyone else looking
into it, these issues (if there are any) will be resolved before I get that
far along on my plane.
With the xl I have all of your collective expertise, web page builds and the homebuilt
video library to help me with my build and I really like the look of the
xl.
Obviously I don't know anything about the sl. I wouldn't have all the helpful
resources as I would with the xl, but I also don't mind just jumping in and just
go for it either. I think the sl looks a lot like the xl but I don't really
like the looks of the new canopy design. The sl is the replacement for the
xl so maybe that is the way to go?
I'm sure the best idea would be to wait until more info comes out on the sl but
I'm just really not that patient :)
If you weren't already building (or have completed) an xl, which one would you
order.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Corvair Fuel Lines |
Paul;
When in doubt, up ya go.why take a chance..go 3/8 all the way !!!!
Roger
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
paulrod36@msn.com
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Fuel Lines
Now that I'm about to start on the plumbing, I'm wondering aobut the
capacity of the 1/4" fuel lines supplied by Zenith---- Are they sufficient
to feed a Corvair engine at full throttle, or should I move up to 3/8"
lines? Any consensus out there?
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Fuel Lines |
Paul
I used the supplied 1/4 inch fuel lines supplied with the 601XL kit from
the wing to a center Andair fuel valve then bradied SS AN-6 to the carb.
When tested at the carb inlet the fuel line and facet pump delivered
approx. 20 gal/hr into an open fuel can. Both facet pumps performed the
same.
Gary Ray
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: paulrod36@msn.com
To: zenith-list
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Fuel Lines
Now that I'm about to start on the plumbing, I'm wondering aobut the
capacity of the 1/4" fuel lines supplied by Zenith---- Are they
sufficient to feed a Corvair engine at full throttle, or should I move
up to 3/8" lines? Any consensus out there?
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
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Order the one you like. They are one and the same. The only difference is the
Rudder and Canopy.
Make your own decision, just pick one and start building.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: dstasch <zstasch@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 28, 2008 8:39 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH 650 LS
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>After a lot of research, gathering tools and saving money, I've had my heart set
on the 601xl. Now that I'm ready to order my rudder kit, I see this thread
on the 650sl and now I'm not sure which kit to order.
>
>I like everything about the xl. I know about the wing issues but I feel with
the independent engineering testing from the ZBAG group, and everyone else looking
into it, these issues (if there are any) will be resolved before I get that
far along on my plane.
>
>With the xl I have all of your collective expertise, web page builds and the homebuilt
video library to help me with my build and I really like the look of
the xl.
>
>Obviously I don't know anything about the sl. I wouldn't have all the helpful
resources as I would with the xl, but I also don't mind just jumping in and just
go for it either. I think the sl looks a lot like the xl but I don't really
like the looks of the new canopy design. The sl is the replacement for the
xl so maybe that is the way to go?
>
>I'm sure the best idea would be to wait until more info comes out on the sl but
I'm just really not that patient :)
>
>If you weren't already building (or have completed) an xl, which one would you
order.
>
>Thanks,
>David
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195450#195450
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Heintz letter |
Its not a high performance plane, thats what he is trying to tyell people. Flutter
is not a big deal on this plane as the design does not hit a resonance.
Keep the cables tight per the plans and you should be fine. If you got a flutter,
just slow it down and land and tighten the cables. I don't know where
you got that this points the finger at the previous accidents. Scratching my
head on that one.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>
>Sent: Jul 28, 2008 4:22 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chris Heintz letter
>
>
>I'm going to guess this was the problem in the couple of in-flight breakups that
occurred. It's possible the XL has more aero-elasticity than the HD or HDS
that may make cable tension more critical in the XL, not that you should ever
have loose cables, but the XL may be less forgiving with the full 12' wing panels
as opposed to the center wing and shorter outer panels of the HD and HDS.
>
>I'm thinking the XL may be more suited to push-pull tubes for controls as well
as control surface balancing. Between the two of them, there'd probably never
be a problem related to flutter. It's just a high performance plane.
>
>--------
>Andy Shontz
>
>do not archive
>
>CH601XL - Corvair
>www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195403#195403
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing Root Moulding - 601XL |
Those who have "been there, done that", have you found it necessary to
glue the wing root moulding to the wing skin upon final assembly? I've
got a consistent 4mm gap where the rubber goes, and thought it might be
trapped in place well enough without glue, but don't want to install a
wing just to check.
Lynn 601 XL / Corvair Paint
nearly done
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| Subject: | Photos at Osh of new aircraft |
Monday's visit to the Zenith Booth at Osh Airventure and Photos of the
new aircraft at www.zenair.org
Enjoy!
do not archive
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| Subject: | New Panel Design |
So, I spent some time laying out a new panel for my 601.. [Shocked]
Any thoughts? :D
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
Ok.. So its a selfless plug.. I have been itching to show these off for months..
More info at www.dynonavionics.com
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
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