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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: Chris Heintz letter (Frank Roskind)
2. 04:13 AM - Re: Chris Heintz letter (ashontz)
3. 04:21 AM - Re: CH 650 LS (chris Sinfield)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: CH 650 LS (LHusky@aol.com)
5. 06:28 AM - HDS Project For Sale (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:35 AM - Re: New Panel Design (Gig Giacona)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: CH 650 LS (Sabrina)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: CH 650 LS (Scotsman)
9. 10:16 AM - Re: Corvair Fuel Lines (Terry Phillips)
10. 01:10 PM - Re: New Panel Design (John Marzulli)
11. 01:25 PM - New Canopy can be put on a 601XL (Joe Scheibinger)
12. 01:55 PM - Re: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL (chris Sinfield)
13. 02:16 PM - Local Newspaper Coverage (PatrickW)
14. 02:23 PM - Re: New Panel Design (Dan Lykowski)
15. 02:42 PM - Re: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL (Gig Giacona)
16. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: ch601 hds BUNGEE HELP!!! (Roger & Lina Hill)
17. 04:42 PM - Re: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL (Juan Vega)
18. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL (Jay Maynard)
19. 05:36 PM - Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart (Juan Vega)
20. 06:51 PM - Rubber wing root moulding (dingfelder)
21. 07:17 PM - Re: Rubber wing root moulding (Ashley)
22. 07:37 PM - Re: Rubber wing root moulding (LHusky@aol.com)
23. 07:41 PM - Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site (craig@craigandjean.com)
24. 07:55 PM - Re: New Panel Design (craig@craigandjean.com)
25. 08:55 PM - 750, 650 and other Zenith aircraft shots from Oshkosh (craig@craigandjean.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Heintz letter |
There is no design defect in a plane that is subject to flutter if the cabl
es are not tightened in accordance with standard maintenance procedures=2C
any more than there was a design defect in the DC-10 which lost an engine a
nd crashed because some moron used a forklift to install an engine=2C there
by cracking the engine mount. If ordinary care in maintenance can prevent
an accident=2C then the design is not flawed.> Date: Mon=2C 28 Jul 2008 21:
51:41 -0400> From: amyvega2005@earthlink.net> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
=3B zenith-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chris Heintz l
k.net>> > Its not a high performance plane=2C thats what he is trying to ty
ell people. Flutter is not a big deal on this plane as the design does not
hit a resonance. Keep the cables tight per the plans and you should be fine
. If you got a flutter=2C just slow it down and land and tighten the cables
. I don't know where you got that this points the finger at the previous ac
cidents. Scratching my head on that one.> > Juan> > -----Original Message--
---> >From: ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org>> >Sent: Jul 28=2C 2008 4:22 PM> >To:
zenith-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chris Heintz letter>
'm going to guess this was the problem in the couple of in-flight breakups
that occurred. It's possible the XL has more aero-elasticity than the HD or
HDS that may make cable tension more critical in the XL=2C not that you sh
ould ever have loose cables=2C but the XL may be less forgiving with the fu
ll 12' wing panels as opposed to the center wing and shorter outer panels o
f the HD and HDS.> >> >I'm thinking the XL may be more suited to push-pull
tubes for controls as well as control surface balancing. Between the two of
them=2C there'd probably never be a problem related to flutter. It's just
a high performance plane.> >> >--------> >Andy Shontz> >> >do not archive>
>> >CH601XL - Corvair> >www.mykitlog.com/ashontz> >> >> >> >> >Read this to
pic online here:> >> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195403#
===================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Heintz letter |
Certainly more high performance than a c-152. The faster you go, the higher the
likelihood of flutter. No design defect, that's just the nature of the beast.
amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
> Its not a high performance plane, thats what he is trying to tyell people.
Flutter is not a big deal on this plane as the design does not hit a resonance.
Keep the cables tight per the plans and you should be fine. If you got a flutter,
just slow it down and land and tighten the cables. I don't know where
you got that this points the finger at the previous accidents. Scratching my
head on that one.
>
> Juan
>
> --
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Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Sabrina
There appears to be a new cross support in the wing between the ribs behind the
fuel tank. Compare
I think that is the support for the wing locker option as I have that in my XL..
I think it would be very easy to add the extra cross L angles in the rear fuse
at any time before paint.
Zenith have said the new canopy locking system can be fitted to any existing XL
with some modifications to get rid of the 2 stage locking system.
Chris..
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Does anyone have enough information to determine if the new wings can be
retrofitted to an XL fuselage?
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 7/29/2008 4:21:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "chris Sinfield"
<chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sabrina
There appears to be a new cross support in the wing between the ribs behind
the fuel tank. Compare
I think that is the support for the wing locker option as I have that in my
XL..
I think it would be very easy to add the extra cross L angles in the rear
fuse at any time before paint.
Zenith have said the new canopy locking system can be fitted to any existing
XL with some modifications to get rid of the 2 stage locking system.
Chris..
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| Subject: | HDS Project For Sale |
List,
I hope you don=92t mind that I remind the list from time to time that my
project is for sale. The tail group is complete, wings have been sold,
and
the center section is about =BD done with gear set up for a
tail-dragger.
Everything is in swinging cradles that store the parts up high in my
garage,
so they are out of the way while I work on my Piet, in case NOW is not a
good time for someone to pick them up or have them shipped. I can be
contacted off list at: gboothe5@comcast.net. Engine is not for sale.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
I hate you guys. You are releasing those just far enough in the future that they
aren't an option for me.
Guess I'll just have to live with the 180. Poor, poor pitiful me.
lykowdk wrote:
> Ok.. So its a selfless plug.. I have been itching to show these off for months..
>
> More info at www.dynonavionics.com
>
> Dan Lykowski
> Dynon Avionics
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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>From what I am told, it is the fuselage that has changed... you seem correct
that the cross member is the wing locker support, but it appears to be in there
with or without the wing locker. So if the wings are not closed up, the cross
support could be added very easily to your wing.
It is the consensus of those I have talked to that the ripples and depressions
on the leading edge are NOT designed into it, the wings just came out that way.
I too, wish CH were here.
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I think that the new canopy etc is a real improvement on the previous version.
Does anyone know if you can, reasonably simply, fit the 650 canopy arrangement
to a standard XL as it just looks like a revised canopy with an additional chunk
removed from the upper fuselage skin of the XL version?
Cheers
j
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| Subject: | Corvair Fuel Lines |
Paul
The recommended tubing size for aluminum fuel lines is 3/8". But metal
tubes are sold by outside diameter. The rubber tubing supplied by ZAC is
sold by inside diameter, so ZAC's tubing is 1/4" i.d., which is about the
same i.d. as 3/8" aluminum tubing. The 1/4" ZAC supplied tubing should be
just fine.
Terry
At 08:07 PM 7/28/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>Paul;
>
>
>When in doubt, up ya go=85why take a chance=85.go 3/8 all the way !!!!
>
>
>Roger
>
>
>----------
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
paulrod36@msn.com
>Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:58 PM
>To: zenith-list
>Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Fuel Lines
>
>
>Now that I'm about to start on the plumbing, I'm wondering aobut the
>capacity of the 1/4" fuel lines supplied by Zenith---- Are they sufficient
>to feed a Corvair engine at full throttle, or should I move up to 3/8"
>lines? Any consensus out there?
>
>
>Paul Rodriguez
>
>601XL/Corvair
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
If it were me...
I would move the Dynons ( why not a Grand Rapids ;-) ) further towards the
center so you have more edge room on the panels.
Looks good though.
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:33 PM, lykowdk <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> So, I spent some time laying out a new panel for my 601.. [Shocked]
> Any thoughts? :D
>
> Dan Lykowski
> Dynon Avionics
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195499#195499
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0512_c_170.jpg
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| Subject: | New Canopy can be put on a 601XL |
I had the chance to look over the new canopy on the 650 and it is much
simpler than the 601. No more cables or aluminum fairings! Much more head
room for taller guys. The folks in the tent say that Zenith will make a
retro fit canopy kit for 601 builders for a couple of grand that will
include the new roll bar! Seeing that I cracked my canopy, this might be the
way to go. All I have to do is buy a new rudder and I have a 650! Almost. My
hats off to the zodiac gang for making some great new changes. The new 750
also looks like a winner. This sure makes Oshkosh exciting this year! E-mail
me if you want me to send you some pictures I took today.
Joe in Oshkosh
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| Subject: | Re: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL |
Joe
Did they say why the rudder changed?
did they say why the other improvements at all?
Chris
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| Subject: | Local Newspaper Coverage |
Reporters from the Minneapolis Star Tribune came over to my house and interviewed
me and took some pictures of my project, and put some video on their website.
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/25898184.html?location_refer=Homepage:highlightModules:7
- Patrick
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
Thanks for the suggestion.. Actually a couple people have suggested I move them
further in.. LOL.. I honestly just randomly taped them to the panel to show them
off. Depending on how things work out, I may start with the 7's and upgrade
to a pair of 10's eventually once we release our Com radio and transponder.
( I won't need the panel space for radios )
Why not Grand Rapids? LOL.. Because Dynons are the Best! and the price is right.
;)
Just in case anyone out there was wondering how my fuselage just seemed to have
appeared.. I was the person who bought the $1500 deal in Lynnwood, WA about a
week ago. It was right down the road from me, and the workmanship was excellent.
It was just a little more complete than a Quickbuild.
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics Software Engineer
601XL
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Panel Design
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 4:07 PM
> If it were me...
>
> I would move the Dynons ( why not a Grand Rapids ;-) )
> further towards the
> center so you have more edge room on the panels.
>
> Looks good though.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
> John Marzulli
>
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
> http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
> http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:33 PM, lykowdk
> <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "lykowdk" <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
> >
> > So, I spent some time laying out a new panel for my
> 601.. [Shocked]
> > Any thoughts? :D
> >
> > Dan Lykowski
> > Dynon Avionics
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195499#195499
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0512_c_170.jpg
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL |
The canopy change is obvious. The current canopy SUCKS. It is complex and hard
to build.
As far as the rudder they probably did it for the same reason Cessna back in day.
It looks better.
Just because a company makes a change doesn't mean that there was something wrong
with the earlier version. When the 601 was first designed the LSA rules were
a dream. When the XL was designed the LSA rules had not been written and factory
production of the plane was probably at best an after thought.
Nobody asks why when Chevy updates their pick-up truck.
chris Sinfield wrote:
> Joe
> Did they say why the rudder changed?
> did they say why the other improvements at all?
> Chris
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: ch601 hds BUNGEE HELP!!! |
Klaus;
Thanks for the info, I am getting the "gear change kit" from McFarland, he
has pics of it on his site and he has agreed to build me a kit.
Thanks again
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Truemper
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: ch601 hds BUNGEE HELP!!!
Hi Roger,
While the plane is on the ground, you can remove the top cap
since it will not be at the stop. You can also remove the bolts
under that wing, holding the gear in place, assuming that you have
already disconnected the brake line. Now when you slowly raise
the wing with a jack, the gear will come out of the gear box.
The reverse process is more difficult, since the bungees preload
the gear, and the bungees must be stretched if the gear tube
is to stick out a bit above the wing. There are two ways to
do this. First, you can use longer bolts with the top retaining
cap and gradually
pull up the tube from the top. When you cannot turn the
bolts any more, you lower the wing so that the weight
of the plane holds the gear up, remove one bolt at a time
and add washers, and repeat the process until you have pulled
up the tube to add the retaining plate with the originial bolts.
Another solution that makes subsequent bungee
changes really easy, is described on the page
http://utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/gear_stop_by_bolt.html
Happy flying,
Klaus
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| Subject: | Re: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL |
JOe,
sock it to me! shoot me some pics!.
I am jealous of all at OSH.. next year with Josh in the plane is the plane.
As the old sayiing goes " if you want to hear God laugh, tell him your plans"
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Scheibinger <backstagelive@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 29, 2008 4:22 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL
>
>
>I had the chance to look over the new canopy on the 650 and it is much
>simpler than the 601. No more cables or aluminum fairings! Much more head
>room for taller guys. The folks in the tent say that Zenith will make a
>retro fit canopy kit for 601 builders for a couple of grand that will
>include the new roll bar! Seeing that I cracked my canopy, this might be the
>way to go. All I have to do is buy a new rudder and I have a 650! Almost. My
>hats off to the zodiac gang for making some great new changes. The new 750
>also looks like a winner. This sure makes Oshkosh exciting this year! E-mail
>me if you want me to send you some pictures I took today.
>
>Joe in Oshkosh
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Canopy can be put on a 601XL |
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:39:48PM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote:
> The canopy change is obvious. The current canopy SUCKS. It is complex and
> hard to build.
When I first saw the new one, Imy first thought was that homebuilders would
love it.
I'm still of two minds about it, purely from an owning standpoint: less
baggage room, and not hidden from view.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)
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| Subject: | Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart |
Acceptable use of the "F" word
Acceptable use of the "F" word The F-word: We all know that it isn't polite to
use the F-word. However, there are ten times in history where the "F" word has
been acceptable for use:
10. "What the fuck was that?" - Mayor Of Hiroshima, 1945
9. "Look at all them fucking Indians!" - Custer, 1877
8. "Any fucking idiot could understand that." - Einstein, 1938
7. "It does so fucking look like her!" - Picasso, 1926
6. "How the fuck did you work that out?" - Pythagoras, 126 BC
5. "You want WHAT on the fucking ceiling?" - Michelangelo, 1566
4. "Where the fuck are we?" - Amelia Earhart, 1937
3. "Scattered fucking showers, my ass!" - Noah, 4314 BC
2. "Aw c'mon. Who the fuck's going to find out?"- Bill Clinton,1999
And Number 1 . . . drum roll . . . .
1. "Geez, I didn't think they'd get this fucking mad." - Saddam Hussein, 2003
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| Subject: | Rubber wing root moulding |
You guys and gals who have completed your wing installation -- Have
you glued the rubber root moulding to the wing or just slipped it in
place and installed the wing?
Lynn
Corry, PA 601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Rubber wing root moulding |
Glued mine.
Floyd Wilkes
601XL O-200
----- Original Message -----
From: dingfelder
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rubber wing root moulding
You guys and gals who have completed your wing installation -- Have
you glued the rubber root moulding to the wing or just slipped it in
place and installed the wing?
Lynn
Corry, PA 601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Rubber wing root moulding |
I came from New Mexico, where a guy was parting out his XL and then
destroying the airframe. This was a factory plane and the molding was glued on.
I
plan on doing mine the same way.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 7/29/2008 6:51:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ding@tbscc.com writes:
You guys and gals who have completed your wing installation -- Have you
glued the rubber root moulding to the wing or just slipped it in place and
installed the wing?
Lynn
Corry, PA 601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site |
> Looks good to me also, I wonder if my 601xl wing kit can be used with
> a new 650 fuselage kit.
Some Zenith staff member (Caleb?) at Oshkosh said the wings were
compatible. Double-check this with them directly after Oshkosh.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
> Ok.. So its a selfless plug.. I have been itching to show these off
> for months..
Congratulations on your new baby.
But why don't you design in an MGL Odyssey (shipping since the
beginning of the year) or Voyager - then you wouldn't have to wait
until 2009 for a large screen EFIS ;-)
There were working Voyagers from the first production run in the MGL
and SteinAir booths (next to the Dynon demo).
Just kidding - I'm sure the new Dynons will be as useful and popular as
the current products.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 750, 650 and other Zenith aircraft shots from Oshkosh |
The 750 has streamlined main and jury struts.
Also a single picture of the Zenith 6000001 Dream Lifter.
-- Craig
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