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1. 12:20 AM - Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site (Iberplanes IGL)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart (Larry Hursh)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: New Panel Design (Gig Giacona)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart (Peter Chapman)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart (George Race)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart (Al Hays)
7. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: New Panel Design (craig@craigandjean.com)
8. 08:13 AM - Re: New Panel Design (Alex MacKay)
9. 08:52 AM - 650 Plans (Sabrina)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: New Panel Design (Gig Giacona)
11. 08:55 AM - Re: 650 Plans (Gig Giacona)
12. 09:00 AM - Re: 650 Plans (Sabrina)
13. 09:04 AM - aeroflash strobes (john H)
14. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the (Juan Vega)
15. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the (Juan Vega)
16. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the (Juan Vega)
17. 10:18 AM - Re: Historical uses of the (paul baker)
18. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the (Jeyoung65@AOL.COM)
19. 10:49 AM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the (Charles Chappell)
20. 11:22 AM - Fw: Re: Historical uses of the (Flydog1966@aol.com)
21. 11:48 AM - Re: Rubber wing root moulding (Gary Gower)
22. 12:09 PM - Re: Historical uses of the "F" Wordper Amelia Earhart (MaxNr@aol.com)
23. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart (Larry Hursh)
24. 01:05 PM - Re: Rubber wing root moulding (jaybannist@cs.com)
25. 01:19 PM - Re: Rubber wing root moulding (LHusky@aol.com)
26. 02:36 PM - Re: Rubber wing root moulding (Terry Phillips)
27. 02:55 PM - Re: Rubber wing root moulding (Gig Giacona)
28. 03:22 PM - taildragger (Jim Belcher)
29. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Rubber wing root moulding (Gary Gower)
30. 05:45 PM - XL flap drive for sale (Craig Spainhower)
31. 05:54 PM - Re: taildragger (Leo Gates)
32. 07:24 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 07/29/08 (Rich)
33. 09:04 PM - XL plans (Sabrina)
34. 11:12 PM - Re: XL plans (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: Ch 650 is now on the Zenith web site |
Hi list,
I have my fuselage order to be delivered in september, including canopy,
gear, etc. Do you really know if I would be able to change my XL for a 650?
I have the wings and tail kit done.
Thanks in advance,
2008/7/30 <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Looks good to me also, I wonder if my 601xl wing kit can be used with a
>> new 650 fuselage kit.
>>
>
> Some Zenith staff member (Caleb?) at Oshkosh said the wings were
> compatible. Double-check this with them directly after Oshkosh.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart |
Subject:
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Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
From:
----
Juan Vega (amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
Date:
----
Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
Acceptable use of the "F" word
Acceptable use of the "F" word The F-word: We all know that it isn't polite
to
use the F-word. However, there are ten times in history where the "F" word
has
been acceptable for use...Mr Vega,In my humble opinion, I think your commen
ts about the "F" word are extremely inappropriate and highly offensive. I
am of the opinion there is NO PLACE for any comment like this on this forum
. In my eyes, you have lowered yourself to one of the lowest forms of huma
n life. I just pray Sabrina did read it but I'm sure she did. Sorry Sabri
na. Male testosterone sometimes overloads a man's thoughts and we become v
ery uncouth. Tailwinds Always, Larry H
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
Craig, John, I am laughing so hard right now.
Dan works for Dynon.
>
> Dan Lykowski
> Dynon Avionics
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195726#195726
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart |
At 08:30 30-07-08, you wrote:
>In my humble opinion, I think your comments about the "F" word are
>extremely inappropriate and highly offensive. I am of the opinion
>there is NO PLACE for any comment like this on this forum. In my eyes, you
This non-aviation thread could spiral out of control, but:
I personally found the attitude towards Sabrina in that post - even
if truly well meaning - more offensive and embarrassing than the
original post by Mr Vega, which was either an error of judgement or
perhaps a posting to the wrong email address...
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON
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| Subject: | RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart |
I whole heartedly agree with Larry's comments!
George
N73EX
_____
Subject: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
From: Juan Vega (
<mailto:amyvega2005@earthlink.net?subject=Re:%20Historical%20uses%20of%20the
%20> amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
Date: Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
Mr Vega,
In my humble opinion, I think your comments about the "F" word are extremely
inappropriate and highly offensive. I am of the opinion there is NO PLACE
for any comment like this on this forum. In my eyes, you have lowered
yourself
to one of the lowest forms of human life. I just pray Sabrina did read it
but
I'm sure she did. Sorry Sabrina. Male testosterone sometimes overloads a
man's thoughts and we become very uncouth.
Tailwinds Always, Larry H
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart |
Juan,
I have to tell you that I, and probably many others, share the
opinion expressed by Mr. Hursh. I refrained from making comment when
first seeing your post, wondering if the rest of us would just ignore
it, not wishing to start any flaming session. Now that the potential
can of worms has been opened, I'll invite your attention to the
following quote from the List Administrator's List Policies and
Frequently Asked Questions:
"3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it
anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your
grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see
anything even
questionable. !! "
Al Hays
CH701 & 601XL, N701GH and N5892H reserved
On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Larry Hursh wrote:
>
> Subject: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
> From: Juan Vega (amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
> Date: Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
> Acceptable use of the "F" word
> Acceptable use of the "F" word The F-word: We all know that it
> isn't polite to
> use the F-word. However, there are ten times in history where the
> "F" word has
> been acceptable for use...
> Mr Vega,
> In my humble opinion, I think your comments about the "F" word are
> extremely inappropriate and highly offensive. I am of the opinion
> there is NO PLACE for any comment like this on this forum.
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
> Dan works for Dynon.
And you are thinking I don't know that? :-)
-- Craig
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
Hi Dan
Your panel design is very interesting! I noticed that you have two
rectangular instruments in the middle; were these meant to be the comm
radio and the transponder? I thought that the new Dynon unit could be
purchased with these included.
Will it be possible to operate the new unit with the D120 in something
like the current D120/D100 combination? i.e. sharing screens?
Best regards
Alex MacKay
601HDS, Jab 3300, starting engine installation
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, lykowdk wrote:
>
> So, I spent some time laying out a new panel for my 601.. [Shocked]
> Any thoughts? :D
>
> Dan Lykowski
> Dynon Avionics
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195499#195499
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0512_c_170.jpg
>
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Don't worry guys... I am enjoying Air Venture too much to let anything or anyone
bother me...
The biggest thing on my mind right now are the changes to our airframes.
Does anyone have access to a set of 650 plans or could anyone convince Zenith to
overnight a set from Mexico to Oshkosh for the dinner Thursday?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195746#195746
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
Give me a break. It was early and my sarcasm detector hadn't booted up yet.
[quote="craig(at)craigandjean.com"]
> Dan works for Dynon.
>
>
> And you are thinking I don't know that? :-)
>
> -- Craig
>
> Do not archive
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195747#195747
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If they didn't bring them to OSH then I'd bet they don't have them ready yet.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195748#195748
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I would be happy with their work in progress set... even a digital version...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195749#195749
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| Subject: | aeroflash strobes |
Hi Guys
After 310 hours my port side aeroflash strobe stopped working. After checki
ng the archives I found that maybe the capacitor has died. Anyway of checki
ng this? I have not had time to look at it yet as it stopped working last n
ight so it may be something else gone amiss. If it is the capacitor does an
yone have a source or part number I can use?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | RE: Historical uses of the |
You guys are too funny. That was a joke that a client of mine sent me. If you
don't like it hit the delete button.
You need to get over your selves.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2008 9:36 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>I whole heartedly agree with Larry's comments!
> George
> N73EX
> _____
>
>
>Subject: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>From: Juan Vega (
><mailto:amyvega2005@earthlink.net?subject=Re:%20Historical%20uses%20of%20the
>%20> amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
>Date: Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
>
>Mr Vega,
>In my humble opinion, I think your comments about the "F" word are extremely
>
> inappropriate and highly offensive. I am of the opinion there is NO PLACE
>
> for any comment like this on this forum. In my eyes, you have lowered
>yourself
> to one of the lowest forms of human life. I just pray Sabrina did read it
>but
> I'm sure she did. Sorry Sabrina. Male testosterone sometimes overloads a
>
> man's thoughts and we become very uncouth.
> Tailwinds Always, Larry H
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Historical uses of the |
You guys are too funny. That was a joke that a client of mine sent me. If you
don't like it hit the delete button.
You need to get over your selves.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2008 9:36 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>I whole heartedly agree with Larry's comments!
> George
> N73EX
> _____
>
>
>Subject: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>From: Juan Vega (
><mailto:amyvega2005@earthlink.net?subject=Re:%20Historical%20uses%20of%20the
>%20> amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
>Date: Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
>
>Mr Vega,
>In my humble opinion, I think your comments about the "F" word are extremely
>
> inappropriate and highly offensive. I am of the opinion there is NO PLACE
>
> for any comment like this on this forum. In my eyes, you have lowered
>yourself
> to one of the lowest forms of human life. I just pray Sabrina did read it
>but
> I'm sure she did. Sorry Sabrina. Male testosterone sometimes overloads a
>
> man's thoughts and we become very uncouth.
> Tailwinds Always, Larry H
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Historical uses of the |
To all that found the joke distastefull, get over yourselves. And
Give Sabrina a little more credit than she deserves.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2008 8:30 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>
>Subject:
>
>Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>From:
>
>Juan Vega (amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
>
>Date:
>
>Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
>Acceptable use of the "F" word
>Acceptable use of the "F" word The F-word: We all know that it isn't polite to
>use the F-word. However, there are ten times in history where the "F" word has
>been acceptable for use...Mr Vega,In my humble opinion, I think your comments
about the "F" word are extremely inappropriate and highly offensive. I am of
the opinion there is NO PLACE for any comment like this on this forum. In my
eyes, you have lowered yourself to one of the lowest forms of human life. I just
pray Sabrina did read it but I'm sure she did. Sorry Sabrina. Male testosterone
sometimes overloads a man's thoughts and we become very uncouth. Tailwinds
Always, Larry H
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Historical uses of the |
juan...shame on you, a grown man that insists on using profanity on an
open forum. I did have some respect for you,but now I don't. You may
think if funny,but not everybody else . Keep these opinions to your self
or to someone who appreciates them,I do not!!!!!!!!! This forum is
about building and flying 601s.Grow up and show some common sense..
paul baker 601hd 60 years of flying and still going
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Historical uses of the |
Juan, this is the wrong place for passing on BAD posts that are totalley
unrelated to aviation. Also your remark about Sabrina is NEVER acceptable.
Jerry of Ga
In a message dated 7/30/2008 1:02:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
amyvega2005@earthlink.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
To all that found the joke distastefull, get over yourselves. And
Give Sabrina a little more credit than she deserves.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2008 8:30 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia
Earhart
>
>
>Subject:
>
>Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>From:
>
>Juan Vega (amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
>
>Date:
>
>Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
>Acceptable use of the "F" word
>Acceptable use of the "F" word The F-word: We all know that it isn't polite
to
>use the F-word. However, there are ten times in history where the "F" word
has
>been acceptable for use...Mr Vega,In my humble opinion, I think your
comments about the "F" word are extremely inappropriate and highly offensive.
I am
of the opinion there is NO PLACE for any comment like this on this forum.
In my eyes, you have lowered yourself to one of the lowest forms of human
life. I just pray Sabrina did read it but I'm sure she did. Sorry Sabrina.
Male testosterone sometimes overloads a man's thoughts and we become very
uncouth. Tailwinds Always, Larry H
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Historical uses of the |
Locker room humor and the language that goes with it have a place for some. That
would be somewhere other than here. It does not belong on this list and the
language is specifically banned from this list by its owner. If you think the
rules don't apply to you please take that up with the list administrator. It would
seem most of us choose to comply with the rules of the list and of common
consideration for whoever might read a message from this list. (Like a grandchild
setting on my knee while I read email about airplanes.)
Thank you,
Chuck Chappell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Historical uses of the
You guys are too funny. That was a joke that a client of mine sent me. If you
don't like it hit the delete button.
You need to get over your selves.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2008 9:36 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>I whole heartedly agree with Larry's comments!
> George
> N73EX
> _____
>
>
>Subject: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>From: Juan Vega (
><mailto:amyvega2005@earthlink.net?subject=Re:%20Historical%20uses%20of%20the
>%20> amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
>Date: Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
>
>Mr Vega,
>In my humble opinion, I think your comments about the "F" word are extremely
>
> inappropriate and highly offensive. I am of the opinion there is NO PLACE
>
> for any comment like this on this forum. In my eyes, you have lowered
>yourself
> to one of the lowest forms of human life. I just pray Sabrina did read it
>but
> I'm sure she did. Sorry Sabrina. Male testosterone sometimes overloads a
>
> man's thoughts and we become very uncouth.
> Tailwinds Always, Larry H
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Historical uses of the |
Must agree that it probably does not belong here. But,,, I did find it
funny,and forwarded it to a few friends,Including my mother!
And DO NOT ARCHIVE people !
____________________________________
From: Jeyoung65@AOL.COM
Sent: 7/30/2008 1:23:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Historical uses of the
Juan, this is the wrong place for passing on BAD posts that are totalley
unrelated to aviation. Also your remark about Sabrina is NEVER acceptable.
Jerry of Ga
In a message dated 7/30/2008 1:02:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
amyvega2005@earthlink.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
To all that found the joke distastefull, get over yourselves. And
Give Sabrina a little more credit than she deserves.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2008 8:30 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia
Earhart
>
>
>Subject:
>
>Historical uses of the "F" Word per Amelia Earhart
>
>From:
>
>Juan Vega (amyvega2005@earthlink.net)
>
>Date:
>
>Tue Jul 29 - 5:36 PM
>Acceptable use of the "F" word
>Acceptable use of the "F" word The F-word: We all know that it isn't polite
to
>use the F-word. However, there are ten times in history where the "F" word
has
>been acceptable for use...Mr Vega,In my humble opinion, I think your
comments about the "F" word are extremely inappropriate and highly offensive.
I am
of the opinion there is NO PLACE for any comment like this on this forum.
In my eyes, you have lowered yourself to one of the lowest forms of human
life. I just pray Sabrina did read it but I'm sure she did. Sorry Sabrina.
Male testosterone sometimes overloads a man's thoughts and we become very
uncouth. Tailwinds Always, Larry H he es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
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Do WHAT?-- Destroy your airframe?--- :-)- :-)
-
(just a Joke)
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Saludos
Gary Gower
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rubber wing root moulding
I came from New Mexico, where a guy was parting out his XL and then destroy
ing the airframe.- This was a factory plane and the molding was glued on.
- I plan on doing mine the same way.-
-
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
-
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.com writes:
You guys and gals who have completed your wing installation- --- Have y
ou glued the rubber root moulding to the wing or just slipped it in place a
nd installed the wing?
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- -
-- --- --- --- --- --- --- --
- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
--- --- --- --- Lynn
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- -
-- --- --- --- --- --- --- --
- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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I always read every thing you post Juan, but you got me that time. Now wash
your computer out with solvent and go stand in the corner for a half hour. When
you finish you will still be a valued member of this forum.
I'm just thankful that no one downloaded my Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) back
when I was a working stiff. Pilots and mule skinners.
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-
if truly well meaning - more offensive and embarrassing than the
original post by Mr Vega, which was either an error of judgement or
perhaps a posting to the wrong email address...
Mr Chapman,
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I DID make a mistake on my original post and I must correct it.- My inten
tions was to say I hope Sabrina does NOT read this post but I know she will
.- So if you think you would like to publicly flame me for a mis-posting,
feel free to do so-- I can take the-heat.- Remember this though, I a
m just a man too...and like Mr Vega, I DO make my fair share of mistakes...
..
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NOT care for your ill sense of humor, and vulgar words.- I for one would
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to yourself or take it to some other forum.- As you can read from all th
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sist to persist, I WILL ask Mr Draille to read your posts and ask him to re
ad the reactions you are getting from the rest of the group.- I'll let Mr
Draille deal with you.-
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The guy in New Mexico was a former member of our local EAA Chapter.? According
to one who knows him well, he got spooked by the reports of XL "folding wings".?
He apparently believes that the XL is too dangerous to fly. He decided to
dismantle the airframe and sell it as parts.?
My take is that this is a rumor-driven disaster.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rubber wing root moulding
Do WHAT??? Destroy your airframe???? :-)? :-)
?
(just a Joke)
?
Saludos
Gary Gower
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From: LHusky@aol.com <LHusky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rubber wing root moulding
I came from New Mexico, where a guy was parting out his XL and then destroying
the airframe.? This was a factory plane and the molding was glued on.? I plan
on doing mine the same way.?
?
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
?
In a message dated 7/29/2008 6:51:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ding@tbscc.com
writes:
You guys and gals who have completed your wing installation? --? Have you glued
the rubber root moulding to the wing or just slipped it in place and installed
the wing?
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Lynn
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I have to agree. I bought a lot of parts off of that BEAUTIFUL plane. I
was very impressed with the quality of the plane and would have flown it
anywhere. I still have not found any quality as good, including the new AMD plane
I looked at when I was at Arlington. CWAZ did some might fine work and took
pride in the little details. I am very happy to have the parts, but it hurt
to cut up the airframe.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 7/30/2008 1:06:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jaybannist@cs.com writes:
The guy in New Mexico was a former member of our local EAA Chapter.
According to one who knows him well, he got spooked by the reports of XL "folding
wings". He apparently believes that the XL is too dangerous to fly. He decided
to dismantle the airframe and sell it as parts.
My take is that this is a rumor-driven disaster.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rubber wing root moulding
Do WHAT? Destroy your airframe? :-) :-)
(just a Joke)
Saludos
Gary Gower
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(mailto:LHusky@aol.com) >
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rubber wing root moulding
I came from New Mexico, where a guy was parting out his XL and then
destroying the airframe. This was a factory plane and the molding was glued on.
I
plan on doing mine the same way.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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You guys and gals who have completed your wing installation -- Have you
glued the rubber root moulding to the wing or just slipped it in place and
installed the wing?
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Jay
Actually, I think the whole story is a bit more complex than you suggest. I
have been collecting data on flutter experiences as input for the engineer
doing the independent engineering analysis for ZBAG. When I read of his
experience, I asked Philip for whatever information he could give me. He
responded with a very complete write up, which I am appending to this note.
I will let the readers decide whether Philip was 'spooked by the reports of
XL "folding wings."' I have not met Philip, but he seems like a pretty
levelheaded pilot to me, and he has way more pilot experience than I do. I
believe that Philip had serious concerns about the safety of his airplane
and rather than sell an aircraft that he did not consider safe, he parted
it out (which I'd bet lost him a bundle of money). If you're interested,
you might search the archives for Klaus Truemper's post which speaks to the
quality of CZAW's construction in Philips A/C. I'm attaching a sectional
image showing Cooke Peak.
Terry
At 04:01 PM 7/30/2008 -0400, Jay in Dallas wrote:
>The guy in New Mexico was a former member of our local EAA
>Chapter. According to one who knows him well, he got spooked by the
>reports of XL "folding wings". He apparently believes that the XL is too
>dangerous to fly. He decided to dismantle the airframe and sell it as
parts.
>
>My take is that this is a rumor-driven disaster.
>
>Jay in Dallas
>Do not archive
At 07:54 PM 7/8/2008 +0000, Philip Welsch wrote:
>Terry:
>
>My experience with the XL involved what I would describe as a span-wise
>shudder. It was like sitting on a diving board that someone else was
>jumping on. I saw no control surface or wing vibration other than the
>normal oil canning (I did not, however observe the flaps during the event).
>
>I was flying at 7,800' msl (aprox. 2,000' agl) at 105 mph ias. I was
>upwind of and about one half=C2 mile from the west flank of Cookes Peak
>(8,408' msl). It was about 0830 local, 40 degrees F, clear sky=C2 and there
>was very little wind and absolutely no turbulence. I was alone in the
>aircraft and light at about 1,000 lbs total weight (601 VV weighed 677 lbs
>empty).
>
>Upon feeling the shudder I reduced throttle and initiated a climb (about=C2
>10 degrees). Airspeed bled off to about 80 mph quickly and just as quickly
>the shudder was gone. 80 mph is probably about Va for a 601 XL at 1,000
>lbs total weight.
>
>The landing 15 minutes later was uneventful and there was no noticable
>damage to control surfaces, flaps or rear attach bolts. The wings
>displayed no vertical or fore and aft movement suggesting attachment
>issues. No rivets appeared loose.
>
>601VV had wing lockers and some inboard=C2 skin to spar A5's had been
>replaced due to suspected "smoking". The aircraft had about 370 hours
>total time=C2 when the event occurred. I bought the aircraft with 47 hours
>on the Hobbs. The builder was the owner of "Skyshops" and the airplane was
>constructed as a "Light Sport" demonstrator at CZAW=C2 with a gross weight
>of 1232 lbs. Contrary to what Heintz has suggested concerning lighter
>weight=C2 European constructed 601 XL's this aircraft appeared to conform
to
>Heintz plans except for the composite landing gear. I received the plans
>with the aircraft and the changes CZAW made were attached to the
>appropriate Heintz drawing. This aircraft was licensed built by CZAW and I
>have the invoice documenting the purchase by CZAW=C2 of =C2 the serial
number
>from Zenith Aircraft in Mexico Mo.
>
>I've flown about 2,100 hours during the last 20 years in=C2 eight models
of=C2
>light certificated aircraft and gliders. Much of that time has been during
>cross country flight in all kinds of VFR and MVFR weather -=C2 including
>substantial turbulence. I've always considered that I might be killed in a
>light aircraft but I figured that it would be due to some stupid pilot
>trick. Prior to the XL I had never been concerned about the possibility of
>structural failure killing me.=C2
>
>I'm sure this is more that you bargained for, but you asked and I needed
>to vent.
>
>I don't care what you do with the information.
>
>Best regards,
>Philip Welsch=C2 =C2
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
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That ain't flutter. We have a name for it in aviation. It's called turbulence.
Sounds like he hit some funky airmass off the mountain. Hardly a reason to tear
apart an airplane.
I'm with Jay, rumor-driven disaster
Terry Phillips wrote:
> Jay
>
> Actually, I think the whole story is a bit more complex than you suggest. I
> have been collecting data on flutter experiences as input for the engineer
> doing the independent engineering analysis for ZBAG. When I read of his
> experience, I asked Philip for whatever information he could give me. He
> responded with a very complete write up, which I am appending to this note.
> I will let the readers decide whether Philip was 'spooked by the reports of
> XL "folding wings."' I have not met Philip, but he seems like a pretty
> levelheaded pilot to me, and he has way more pilot experience than I do. I
> believe that Philip had serious concerns about the safety of his airplane
> and rather than sell an aircraft that he did not consider safe, he parted
> it out (which I'd bet lost him a bundle of money). If you're interested,
> you might search the archives for Klaus Truemper's post which speaks to the
> quality of CZAW's construction in Philips A/C. I'm attaching a sectional
> image showing Cooke Peak.
>
> Terry
>
>
> At 04:01 PM 7/30/2008 -0400, Jay in Dallas wrote:
>
> > The guy in New Mexico was a former member of our local EAA
> > Chapter. According to one who knows him well, he got spooked by the
> > reports of XL "folding wings". He apparently believes that the XL is too
> > dangerous to fly. He decided to dismantle the airframe and sell it as parts.
> >
> > My take is that this is a rumor-driven disaster.
> >
> > Jay in Dallas
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
>
> At 07:54 PM 7/8/2008 +0000, Philip Welsch wrote:
>
> > Terry:
> >
> > My experience with the XL involved what I would describe as a span-wise
> > shudder. It was like sitting on a diving board that someone else was
> > jumping on. I saw no control surface or wing vibration other than the
> > normal oil canning (I did not, however observe the flaps during the event).
> >
> > I was flying at 7,800' msl (aprox. 2,000' agl) at 105 mph ias. I was
> > upwind of and about one half mile from the west flank of Cookes Peak
> > (8,408' msl). It was about 0830 local, 40 degrees F, clear sky and there
> > was very little wind and absolutely no turbulence. I was alone in the
> > aircraft and light at about 1,000 lbs total weight (601 VV weighed 677 lbs
> > empty).
> >
> > Upon feeling the shudder I reduced throttle and initiated a climb (about
> > 10 degrees). Airspeed bled off to about 80 mph quickly and just as quickly
> > the shudder was gone. 80 mph is probably about Va for a 601 XL at 1,000
> > lbs total weight.
> >
> > The landing 15 minutes later was uneventful and there was no noticable
> > damage to control surfaces, flaps or rear attach bolts. The wings
> > displayed no vertical or fore and aft movement suggesting attachment
> > issues. No rivets appeared loose.
> >
> > 601VV had wing lockers and some inboard skin to spar A5's had been
> > replaced due to suspected "smoking". The aircraft had about 370 hours
> > total time when the event occurred. I bought the aircraft with 47 hours
> > on the Hobbs. The builder was the owner of "Skyshops" and the airplane was
> > constructed as a "Light Sport" demonstrator at CZAW with a gross weight
> > of 1232 lbs. Contrary to what Heintz has suggested concerning lighter
> > weight European constructed 601 XL's this aircraft appeared to conform to
> > Heintz plans except for the composite landing gear. I received the plans
> > with the aircraft and the changes CZAW made were attached to the
> > appropriate Heintz drawing. This aircraft was licensed built by CZAW and I
> > have the invoice documenting the purchase by CZAW of the serial number
> > from Zenith Aircraft in Mexico Mo.
> >
> > I've flown about 2,100 hours during the last 20 years in eight models of
> > light certificated aircraft and gliders. Much of that time has been during
> > cross country flight in all kinds of VFR and MVFR weather - including
> > substantial turbulence. I've always considered that I might be killed in a
> > light aircraft but I figured that it would be due to some stupid pilot
> > trick. Prior to the XL I had never been concerned about the possibility of
> > structural failure killing me.
> >
> > I'm sure this is more that you bargained for, but you asked and I needed
> > to vent.
> >
> > I don't care what you do with the information.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Philip Welsch
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Terry Phillips ZBAGer
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
> are done; working on the wings
> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
--------
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See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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I checked the archives, and perhaps the questions were just asked a long time
ago, because I did not find an answer.
What weight impact does going from the nose wheel to the tail dragger have?
How difficult is the tail wheel configuration to fly/land when compared to
say, a J3? Does anyone have a rough guess as to how many tail wheel versions
have been built vs the nose wheel?
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BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
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| Subject: | Re: Rubber wing root moulding |
Gig,
-
Your comment made me remember:- Since several years ago, every time-my
wife and myself fly commercial- (airlines)- she ask for a middle seat,
- because she does not like to see the wings- move as- diving boards
when in turbulence...
-
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rubber wing root moulding
<wrgiacona@gmail.com>
That ain't flutter. We have a name for it in aviation. It's called
turbulence. Sounds like he hit some funky airmass off the mountain. Hardly
a
reason to tear apart an airplane.
I'm with Jay, rumor-driven disaster
Terry Phillips wrote:
> Jay
>
> Actually, I think the whole story is a bit more complex than you suggest.
I
> have been collecting data on flutter experiences as input for the enginee
r
> doing the independent engineering analysis for ZBAG. When I read of his
> experience, I asked Philip for whatever information he could give me. He
> responded with a very complete write up, which I am appending to this
note.
> I will let the readers decide whether Philip was 'spooked by the
reports of
> XL "folding wings."' I have not met Philip, but he seems
like a pretty
> levelheaded pilot to me, and he has way more pilot experience than I do.
I
> believe that Philip had serious concerns about the safety of his airplane
> and rather than sell an aircraft that he did not consider safe, he parted
> it out (which I'd bet lost him a bundle of money). If you're
interested,
> you might search the archives for Klaus Truemper's post which speaks
to the
> quality of CZAW's construction in Philips A/C. I'm attaching a
sectional
> image showing Cooke Peak.
>
> Terry
>
>
> At 04:01 PM 7/30/2008 -0400, Jay in Dallas wrote:
>
> > The guy in New Mexico was a former member of our local EAA
> > Chapter. According to one who knows him well, he got spooked by the
> > reports of XL "folding wings". He apparently believes that
the XL is too
> > dangerous to fly. He decided to dismantle the airframe and sell it as
parts.
> >
> > My take is that this is a rumor-driven disaster.
> >
> > Jay in Dallas
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
>
> At 07:54 PM 7/8/2008 +0000, Philip Welsch wrote:
>
> > Terry:
> >
> > My experience with the XL involved what I would describe as a
span-wise
> > shudder. It was like sitting on a diving board that someone else was
> > jumping on. I saw no control surface or wing vibration other than the
> > normal oil canning (I did not, however observe the flaps during the
event).
> >
> > I was flying at 7,800' msl (aprox. 2,000' agl) at 105 mph
ias. I was
> > upwind of and about one half=EF=BD mile from the west flank of Cooke
s
Peak
> > (8,408' msl). It was about 0830 local, 40 degrees F, clear
sky=EF=BD and there
> > was very little wind and absolutely no turbulence. I was alone in the
> > aircraft and light at about 1,000 lbs total weight (601 VV weighed
677 lbs
> > empty).
> >
> > Upon feeling the shudder I reduced throttle and initiated a climb
(about=EF=BD
> > 10 degrees). Airspeed bled off to about 80 mph quickly and just as
quickly
> > the shudder was gone. 80 mph is probably about Va for a 601 XL at
1,000
> > lbs total weight.
> >
> > The landing 15 minutes later was uneventful and there was no
noticable
> > damage to control surfaces, flaps or rear attach bolts. The wings
> > displayed no vertical or fore and aft movement suggesting attachment
> > issues. No rivets appeared loose.
> >
> > 601VV had wing lockers and some inboard=EF=BD skin to spar A5's
had been
> > replaced due to suspected "smoking". The aircraft had about
370 hours
> > total time=EF=BD when the event occurred. I bought the aircraft with
47 hours
> > on the Hobbs. The builder was the owner of "Skyshops" and
the airplane was
> > constructed as a "Light Sport" demonstrator at CZAW=EF=BD
with a gross weight
> > of 1232 lbs. Contrary to what Heintz has suggested concerning lighter
> > weight=EF=BD European constructed 601 XL's this aircraft appeared
to conform to
> > Heintz plans except for the composite landing gear. I received the
plans
> > with the aircraft and the changes CZAW made were attached to the
> > appropriate Heintz drawing. This aircraft was licensed built by CZAW
and I
> > have the invoice documenting the purchase by CZAW=EF=BD of =EF=BD
the
serial number
> > from Zenith Aircraft in Mexico Mo.
> >
> > I've flown about 2,100 hours during the last 20 years in=EF=BD
eight models of=EF=BD
> > light certificated aircraft and gliders. Much of that time has been
during
> > cross country flight in all kinds of VFR and MVFR weather -=EF=BD
including
> > substantial turbulence. I've always considered that I might be
killed in a
> > light aircraft but I figured that it would be due to some stupid
pilot
> > trick. Prior to the XL I had never been concerned about the
possibility of
> > structural failure killing me.=EF=BD
> >
> > I'm sure this is more that you bargained for, but you asked and I
needed
> > to vent.
> >
> > I don't care what you do with the information.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Philip Welsch=EF=BD =EF=BD
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Terry Phillips ZBAGer
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, &
ailerons
> are done; working on the wings
> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | XL flap drive for sale |
Since I built from a kit and decided to mount my flaps solid, I have a
complete flap drive assembly that I would be happy to part with. It is
complete, motor, tube, linkages, etc. except for the doubler that goes on
the pilots seat back. Since this always sparks discussions about the virtue
of having flaps I will mention that I 'talked' (mostly through e-mail) with
several XL drivers that seldom if ever use flaps, even for short field
landings. I did it to save weight and complexity as well as simplify adding
wing root fairings. I will be at Oshkosh Friday through the rest of the
weekend and since I'm driving this year I will bring the flap assembly with
me. If interested I can be reached by cell phone 309-269-4555. If no one at
Osh is interested I would entertain shipping it. I live ~ 50 miles SW of
Chicago. I don't know what Zenith gets for it so make me an offer, I would
like to see it go to a good home. I think it came with my control kit in
2005.
Craig S.
N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc, wings installed, almost done!
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Jim, My 601HDS taildragger is easier to land than the J3 I owned many
moons ago. The rudder seems to have more authority and the shorter wing
makes cross wind landings a piece of cake. Weight wise my guess is 20
lbs. lighter for the taildragger, just because of the smaller wheel/tire
and nose gear structure.
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Leo Gates
N601Z - CH601HDS TDO
Rotax 912UL
Jim Belcher wrote:
>
> I checked the archives, and perhaps the questions were just asked a long time
> ago, because I did not find an answer.
>
> What weight impact does going from the nose wheel to the tail dragger have?
> How difficult is the tail wheel configuration to fly/land when compared to
> say, a J3? Does anyone have a rough guess as to how many tail wheel versions
> have been built vs the nose wheel?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 07/29/08 |
Hi list. I need to try a 76" x 54 pitch or 56 pitch prop for my Lycoming O-360
with solid crank on a CH801. Anyone know if there is some sort of try-before-u-buy
program out there? I'm not sure this would be the correct pitch. May have
to try a 52.
Thanks
Rich
South Carolina
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What do the XL plans call out for the thickness of the rear spar attach plates?
What is the distance called out from the bottom of the lower longeron to the
top of the rear spar attach plate?
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FWIW a builder visiting the ZAC booth at Oshkosh noticed the thicker plates
on the 650 and asked Caleb about it (I was standing there). Caleb said that
to shift the plate on the 650 vertically (as compared to the 601XL) to
changes the wing's angle of incidence the height of the plate had to be
reduced. The increase in thickness was to give the plate adequate strength
in its attachment to the fuselage. Caleb said it had nothing to do with
strengthening the attachment between the rear spar and the plate. If you are
still at Oshkosh ask Caleb.
-- Craig
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Subject: Zenith-List: XL plans
What do the XL plans call out for the thickness of the rear spar attach
plates? What is the distance called out from the bottom of the lower
longeron to the top of the rear spar attach plate?
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