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1. 07:28 AM - Re: XL flap drive for sale (Craig Spainhower)
2. 08:23 AM - 601XL Support (The Keeners)
3. 09:13 AM - Re: 601XL Support (Gig Giacona)
4. 09:14 AM - Re: 601XL Support (Gig Giacona)
5. 09:54 AM - Re: 601XL Support (Gig Giacona)
6. 10:09 AM - Re: Rudder pedals (Klaus Truemper)
7. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Support (Cory Emberson)
8. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Support (Larry Hursh)
9. 05:13 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
10. 06:08 PM - Another Quality Joke dedicated to pilots (Juan Vega)
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| Subject: | Re: XL flap drive for sale |
I plan to tape over the hinge but the gap on top is small enough I will
probably leave it alone. As far as being LSA compliant, the stall
requirements are without flaps (Vs not Vso). I would expect some improvement
on stall speed and climb rate with the wing root fairings, I will get as
accurate as possible before and after numbers.
I still have the flap drive assembly. Since I got it with the kit I don't
know what it cost or I would just cut the price in half. Can anyone suggest
a fair price?
Craig S.
N601XS, just drove back from OSH, Great weather!
On 8/2/08, Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
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>
> Craig
>
> After you finish your test flights, please let us know what stall speed you
> determined for your 601 w/o flaps. Are you taping or covering the gap at the
> top of the flaps? Also, the effect of your fairings on the stall speed would
> be very interesting. If you can meet LSA stall requirements (<= 51 mph cas)
> with fairings but no flaps, that would be terrific.
>
> Terry
>
>
> At 07:42 PM 7/30/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Since I built from a kit and decided to mount my flaps solid, I have a
>> complete flap drive assembly that I would be happy to part with. It is
>> complete, motor, tube, linkages, etc. except for the doubler that goes on
>> the pilots seat back. Since this always sparks discussions about the virtue
>> of having flaps I will mention that I 'talked' (mostly through e-mail) with
>> several XL drivers that seldom if ever use flaps, even for short field
>> landings. I did it to save weight and complexity as well as simplify adding
>> wing root fairings. I will be at Oshkosh Friday through the rest of the
>> weekend and since I'm driving this year I will bring the flap assembly with
>> me. If interested I can be reached by cell phone 309-269-4555. If no one at
>> Osh is interested I would entertain shipping it. I live ~ 50 miles SW of
>> Chicago. I don't know what Zenith gets for it so make me an offer, I would
>> like to see it go to a good home. I think it came with my control kit in
>> 2005.
>>
>> Craig S.
>> N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc, wings installed, almost done!
>>
>
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> Terry Phillips ZBAGer
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
> are done; working on the wings
> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
>
>
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Does anyone know if Zenith will continue to support the 601XL Zodiac?
For those of us who have only completed the tail and have the wing kit,
does anyone know if they will be compatible? In other words, can we
just upgrade the rear spar in the wing and then buy the fuselage kit?
Are they interchangeable?
Thanks in advance.
Forest K., Rocklin, CA
CH601XL
Tail group 99% complete
Wing Kit in garage (not started)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Support |
Of course they are going to continue to support the 601XL. Hell, they continue
to support the HD and HDS.
As far as interchangeability my bet is no but I'd ask Zenith. One of the big differenced
is the rudder so if you have already done that you will be missing one
of the big changes.
As far as switching to the 650 from the 601XL keep this in mind. Since I bought
my plans in 2002 there have been a number of updates and changes. In the whole
every one of these changes has made the 601XL a better plane. And whole the
650 will take what has been learned in the 601XL it will still be a new plane
and subject to a bunch more changes as the years go by.
Since you mention the rear spar I assume you are concerned with the accidents.
I've seen nor read nothing to make me think the 650 is in anyway a response by
Zenith to change anything to fix what may or may not be a problem. To support
that you will note that they didn't replace the aileron cables with push rods
which would be a easy and quickly added correction to what CH has cited as one
potential problem, i.e. loose cables.
kim.forest(at)surewest.ne wrote:
> Does anyone know if Zenith will continue to support the 601XL Zodiac?
> For those of us who have only completed the tail and have the wing kit,
> does anyone know if they will be compatible? In other words, can we
> just upgrade the rear spar in the wing and then buy the fuselage kit?
> Are they interchangeable?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Forest K., Rocklin, CA
> CH601XL
> Tail group 99% complete
> Wing Kit in garage (not started)
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196433#196433
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Support |
One other thing though. I'd definitely go with the new 650 canopy design on a 601XL
if I hadn't already built that. And If I ever have to replace my canopy it
will be with the new design.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196434#196434
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Support |
Strike what I said about interchangeability between the 601XL and the 650. I just
read the following in the Kitplane Blog.
> Well, what about the 601 XL youve completed (or are still completing)? No worries.
Gebhardt told us, We worked hard to make sure that the major portions that
we changed were retrofittable for the XL. The rudder has been swept back for
greater efficiency and a cleaner look. We changed a lot of little things to
make it easier to build that arent necessarily obvious. Theyll reduce build time,
and will remove confusion in reading the plans or looking at parts. Its more
streamlined and more clear.
For the whole article go to http://kitplanesmag.blogspot.com/2008/08/zodiac-ch-650-surprise-introduction.html
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196442#196442
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder pedals |
Hi Ron,
It is actually quite simple. You drill a 1/4 inch hole in the nose gear
tube, from front
to back, and insert an AN4 bolt with the following arrangement from
front to back:
head of bolt, washer, 1/4 inch sleeve bearing (Aircraft Spruce), washer,
nose gear tube,
washer, 1/4 inch sleeve bearing, washer, nylon stop nut.
The hole is in such a position that ,with the bearings installed, the
bearings rest evenly
front and back on the bearing bracket. You may have to add a shim in the
back
to achieve this. When installed without bungee chord, the
bearings will hold up the nose gear as a stop and the gear will freely
swivel.
When the bungee is installed, this will still be the case due to the
bearings
picking up the thrust by the bungee.
Important: 1. When the AN4 bolt is finally installed, use a bit of
sealer between the nose gear tube
and the two washers immediately next to the tube, so that moisture
cannot enter
the tube.
2. Make sure you do not torque the AN4 bolt too much so that the nose
gear tube
becomes out-of-round. The torque should be just that the entire arrangement
becomes snug against the tube.
I have seen several ways nose gears have been installed. Typically, the
two stubs
to which the rods are attached, slide on some sort of surface, be it
nylon or delrin or
(in old HD/HDS design) aluminum brackets. No such sliding surface is
needed anymore, since the bearings hold up the gear.
We have used this arrangement for more than 12 years, without any glitch
or problem.
--
Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Support |
Thanks for posting that, Gig - Caleb also said there was more headroom with
the new canopy. I like the rollover protection, too.
Best,
Cory Emberson
Contributing Editor
KITPLANES Magazine
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support
Strike what I said about interchangeability between the 601XL and the 650. I
just read the following in the Kitplane Blog.
> Well, what about the 601 XL you've completed (or are still completing)? No
worries. Gebhardt told us, "We worked hard to make sure that the major
portions that we changed were retrofittable for the XL. The rudder has been
swept back for greater efficiency and a cleaner look. We changed a lot of
little things to make it easier to build that aren't necessarily obvious.
They'll reduce build time, and will remove confusion in reading the plans or
looking at parts. It's more streamlined and more clear."
For the whole article go to
http://kitplanesmag.blogspot.com/2008/08/zodiac-ch-650-surprise-introduction
.html
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196442#196442
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Support |
From: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support
<bootless@earthlink.net>
Thanks for posting that, Gig - Caleb also said there was more headroom with
the new canopy. I like the rollover protection, too.
Best,
Cory Emberson
Contributing Editor
KITPLANES Magazine
-
I've been talking with Travis-at Zenith while Caleb was in Oshkosh.- Tr
avis told me that the new 650 canopy WILL fit the 601 body, but you will ha
ve to remove a small portion of the fuselage top in the area-right behind
the seats-(It will make it easier to access the luggage area).--It w
ill give you a better view from behind the aircraft if you look over your s
eats.- That was the main reason for the change.- It was driven from the
European Specs from what I understand.- Travis said they (Zenith) have n
ot-worked out the actual numbers as to what needs to be changed to use th
is in the 601 but they should know shortly.- I would suspect they will pu
t out a narrative on it when they know more.-
Hope this helps.
-
Tailwinds and Blue Skies Always,
-
Larry- H
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
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| Subject: | Another Quality Joke dedicated to pilots |
Vietnam Story
A teacher instructs her fifth-grade class to ask their parents to tell them a story
with a moral at the end.
The next day the kids come in and share their stories. My daddy told me about my
uncle Dave, says one boy. He was a pilot in Vietnam and had to bail out over
enemy territory with nothing but a flask of whiskey, a pistol, and a knife. He
drank the whiskey during the drop, then landed in the middle of 20 Charlies.
He shot 15, stabbed three, and killed the last two with his bare hands.
What is the moral of that horrible story? yelps the mortified teacher.
Stay away from Uncle Dave when hes drinking.
Juan
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