---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/04/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:28 AM - Re: XL flap drive for sale (Craig Spainhower) 2. 08:23 AM - 601XL Support (The Keeners) 3. 09:13 AM - Re: 601XL Support (Gig Giacona) 4. 09:14 AM - Re: 601XL Support (Gig Giacona) 5. 09:54 AM - Re: 601XL Support (Gig Giacona) 6. 10:09 AM - Re: Rudder pedals (Klaus Truemper) 7. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Support (Cory Emberson) 8. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Support (Larry Hursh) 9. 05:13 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 10. 06:08 PM - Another Quality Joke dedicated to pilots (Juan Vega) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:37 AM PST US From: "Craig Spainhower" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL flap drive for sale I plan to tape over the hinge but the gap on top is small enough I will probably leave it alone. As far as being LSA compliant, the stall requirements are without flaps (Vs not Vso). I would expect some improvement on stall speed and climb rate with the wing root fairings, I will get as accurate as possible before and after numbers. I still have the flap drive assembly. Since I got it with the kit I don't know what it cost or I would just cut the price in half. Can anyone suggest a fair price? Craig S. N601XS, just drove back from OSH, Great weather! On 8/2/08, Terry Phillips wrote: > > > Craig > > After you finish your test flights, please let us know what stall speed you > determined for your 601 w/o flaps. Are you taping or covering the gap at the > top of the flaps? Also, the effect of your fairings on the stall speed would > be very interesting. If you can meet LSA stall requirements (<= 51 mph cas) > with fairings but no flaps, that would be terrific. > > Terry > > > At 07:42 PM 7/30/2008 -0500, you wrote: > >> Since I built from a kit and decided to mount my flaps solid, I have a >> complete flap drive assembly that I would be happy to part with. It is >> complete, motor, tube, linkages, etc. except for the doubler that goes on >> the pilots seat back. Since this always sparks discussions about the virtue >> of having flaps I will mention that I 'talked' (mostly through e-mail) with >> several XL drivers that seldom if ever use flaps, even for short field >> landings. I did it to save weight and complexity as well as simplify adding >> wing root fairings. I will be at Oshkosh Friday through the rest of the >> weekend and since I'm driving this year I will bring the flap assembly with >> me. If interested I can be reached by cell phone 309-269-4555. If no one at >> Osh is interested I would entertain shipping it. I live ~ 50 miles SW of >> Chicago. I don't know what Zenith gets for it so make me an offer, I would >> like to see it go to a good home. I think it came with my control kit in >> 2005. >> >> Craig S. >> N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc, wings installed, almost done! >> > > > Terry Phillips ZBAGer > ttp44~at~rkymtn.net > Corvallis MT > 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons > are done; working on the wings > http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:50 AM PST US From: The Keeners Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Support Does anyone know if Zenith will continue to support the 601XL Zodiac? For those of us who have only completed the tail and have the wing kit, does anyone know if they will be compatible? In other words, can we just upgrade the rear spar in the wing and then buy the fuselage kit? Are they interchangeable? Thanks in advance. Forest K., Rocklin, CA CH601XL Tail group 99% complete Wing Kit in garage (not started) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support From: "Gig Giacona" Of course they are going to continue to support the 601XL. Hell, they continue to support the HD and HDS. As far as interchangeability my bet is no but I'd ask Zenith. One of the big differenced is the rudder so if you have already done that you will be missing one of the big changes. As far as switching to the 650 from the 601XL keep this in mind. Since I bought my plans in 2002 there have been a number of updates and changes. In the whole every one of these changes has made the 601XL a better plane. And whole the 650 will take what has been learned in the 601XL it will still be a new plane and subject to a bunch more changes as the years go by. Since you mention the rear spar I assume you are concerned with the accidents. I've seen nor read nothing to make me think the 650 is in anyway a response by Zenith to change anything to fix what may or may not be a problem. To support that you will note that they didn't replace the aileron cables with push rods which would be a easy and quickly added correction to what CH has cited as one potential problem, i.e. loose cables. kim.forest(at)surewest.ne wrote: > Does anyone know if Zenith will continue to support the 601XL Zodiac? > For those of us who have only completed the tail and have the wing kit, > does anyone know if they will be compatible? In other words, can we > just upgrade the rear spar in the wing and then buy the fuselage kit? > Are they interchangeable? > > Thanks in advance. > Forest K., Rocklin, CA > CH601XL > Tail group 99% complete > Wing Kit in garage (not started) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196433#196433 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:31 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support From: "Gig Giacona" One other thing though. I'd definitely go with the new 650 canopy design on a 601XL if I hadn't already built that. And If I ever have to replace my canopy it will be with the new design. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196434#196434 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support From: "Gig Giacona" Strike what I said about interchangeability between the 601XL and the 650. I just read the following in the Kitplane Blog. > Well, what about the 601 XL youve completed (or are still completing)? No worries. Gebhardt told us, We worked hard to make sure that the major portions that we changed were retrofittable for the XL. The rudder has been swept back for greater efficiency and a cleaner look. We changed a lot of little things to make it easier to build that arent necessarily obvious. Theyll reduce build time, and will remove confusion in reading the plans or looking at parts. Its more streamlined and more clear. For the whole article go to http://kitplanesmag.blogspot.com/2008/08/zodiac-ch-650-surprise-introduction.html -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196442#196442 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:25 AM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder pedals Hi Ron, It is actually quite simple. You drill a 1/4 inch hole in the nose gear tube, from front to back, and insert an AN4 bolt with the following arrangement from front to back: head of bolt, washer, 1/4 inch sleeve bearing (Aircraft Spruce), washer, nose gear tube, washer, 1/4 inch sleeve bearing, washer, nylon stop nut. The hole is in such a position that ,with the bearings installed, the bearings rest evenly front and back on the bearing bracket. You may have to add a shim in the back to achieve this. When installed without bungee chord, the bearings will hold up the nose gear as a stop and the gear will freely swivel. When the bungee is installed, this will still be the case due to the bearings picking up the thrust by the bungee. Important: 1. When the AN4 bolt is finally installed, use a bit of sealer between the nose gear tube and the two washers immediately next to the tube, so that moisture cannot enter the tube. 2. Make sure you do not torque the AN4 bolt too much so that the nose gear tube becomes out-of-round. The torque should be just that the entire arrangement becomes snug against the tube. I have seen several ways nose gears have been installed. Typically, the two stubs to which the rods are attached, slide on some sort of surface, be it nylon or delrin or (in old HD/HDS design) aluminum brackets. No such sliding surface is needed anymore, since the bearings hold up the gear. We have used this arrangement for more than 12 years, without any glitch or problem. -- Klaus Truemper Professor Emeritus of Computer Science University of Texas at Dallas Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science EC31 P.O. Box 830688 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (972) 883-2712 klaus@utdallas.edu www.utdallas.edu/~klaus ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:54 AM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support Thanks for posting that, Gig - Caleb also said there was more headroom with the new canopy. I like the rollover protection, too. Best, Cory Emberson Contributing Editor KITPLANES Magazine -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support Strike what I said about interchangeability between the 601XL and the 650. I just read the following in the Kitplane Blog. > Well, what about the 601 XL you've completed (or are still completing)? No worries. Gebhardt told us, "We worked hard to make sure that the major portions that we changed were retrofittable for the XL. The rudder has been swept back for greater efficiency and a cleaner look. We changed a lot of little things to make it easier to build that aren't necessarily obvious. They'll reduce build time, and will remove confusion in reading the plans or looking at parts. It's more streamlined and more clear." For the whole article go to http://kitplanesmag.blogspot.com/2008/08/zodiac-ch-650-surprise-introduction .html -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196442#196442 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:04 PM PST US From: Larry Hursh Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support From: Cory Emberson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Support Thanks for posting that, Gig - Caleb also said there was more headroom with the new canopy. I like the rollover protection, too. Best, Cory Emberson Contributing Editor KITPLANES Magazine - I've been talking with Travis-at Zenith while Caleb was in Oshkosh.- Tr avis told me that the new 650 canopy WILL fit the 601 body, but you will ha ve to remove a small portion of the fuselage top in the area-right behind the seats-(It will make it easier to access the luggage area).--It w ill give you a better view from behind the aircraft if you look over your s eats.- That was the main reason for the change.- It was driven from the European Specs from what I understand.- Travis said they (Zenith) have n ot-worked out the actual numbers as to what needs to be changed to use th is in the 601 but they should know shortly.- I would suspect they will pu t out a narrative on it when they know more.- Hope this helps. - Tailwinds and Blue Skies Always, - Larry- H =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:37 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George CH-701 - N73EX Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:53 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Zenith-List: Another Quality Joke dedicated to pilots Vietnam Story A teacher instructs her fifth-grade class to ask their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end. The next day the kids come in and share their stories. My daddy told me about my uncle Dave, says one boy. He was a pilot in Vietnam and had to bail out over enemy territory with nothing but a flask of whiskey, a pistol, and a knife. He drank the whiskey during the drop, then landed in the middle of 20 Charlies. He shot 15, stabbed three, and killed the last two with his bare hands. What is the moral of that horrible story? yelps the mortified teacher. Stay away from Uncle Dave when hes drinking. 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