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1. 03:48 AM - Re: rivet squeezer (Bill Pagan)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Gig Giacona)
3. 07:44 AM - Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Roger Lee)
4. 08:03 AM - Re: rivet squeezer (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: rivet squeezer (steve)
6. 08:25 AM - Re: rivet squeezer (Carlos Sa)
7. 09:20 AM - Re: rivet squeezer (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 11:17 AM - Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Juan Vega)
9. 06:03 PM - Re: Zenith701801-List: rivet squeezer (Carlos Sa)
10. 06:06 PM - Re: 601 vs 650 (Ken Lilja)
11. 06:24 PM - Re: 601 vs 650 (Jay Maynard)
12. 07:02 PM - Re: Rudder pedal tension - taildragger (Ken Lilja)
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
An important consideration is the throat depth.- Remember if you buy a 2"
squeezer then you can only reach rivets no more than 2" from the edge.-
The squeezers with the interchangeable heads ie: 1", 1.5", 2" etc. give you
more flexibility, although more expensive in most cases it is actually che
aper if you end up having to buy more than 1 squeezer just for additional t
hroat depths.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: rivet squeezer
Hello, all
I intend to buy a (manual) rivet squeezer (so far I have borrowed one), and
I would appreciate to read about your experiences with these tools:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/handrivetsqueezer.php
http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=wciViewItem&WCE=90997s
http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=wciViewItem&WCE=90995s
http://tinyurl.com/58baoc (aviation tools, eBay store)
(Brown Tools seems to be offline, and Avery's squeezer is too expensive htt
p://www.averytools.com/p-497-avery-hand-rivet-squeezers.aspx )
Thanks for your comments
do not archive (yet)
Carlos
CH601-HD
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
Roger,
While it is hard to argue with any of the points in either the Chevron letter or
your response the point of their producing it protection from liability. Protecting
the company and the stockholders is not only their right but their responsibility.
If you really want things like this to stop being necessary I suggest you write
your state and federal congress critters and demand tort reform.
I do at least two or three times a year.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
Hi Gig,
Those letters have been sent, too.
Every website I posted on and I sent the letters to Flight Design have people
speaking up in support. I have received dozens of emails in support and that is
just since last night.
One voice will dye, but thousands may be heard.
Everyone,
Don't sit ideally and complain. 1-2 minutes of your time is all anyone is asking.
It's your future and your time to offer your hand in a worthwhile effort to
help shape it. Do it for yourself if not for anyone else.
sent, too.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
Hi Carlos, Not sure why you would buy a rivet squeezer when the spars are
the only items using solid rivets. Harbor Fright anvil and a two pound hammer
worked great for me. Jerry of Ga
In a message dated 8/6/2008 9:38:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
carlossa52@gmail.com writes:
Hello, all
I intend to buy a (manual) rivet squeezer (so far I have borrowed one), and
I would appreciate to read about your experiences with these tools:
_http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/handrivetsqueezer.php_
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/handrivetsqueezer.php)
_http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=wciViewItem&WCE=90997s_
(http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=wciViewItem&WCE=90997s)
_http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=wciViewItem&WCE=90995s_
(http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=wciViewItem&WCE=90995s)
_http://tinyurl.com/58baoc_ (http://tinyurl.com/58baoc) (aviation tools,
eBay store)
(Brown Tools seems to be offline, and Avery's squeezer is too expensive
_http://www.averytools.com/p-497-avery-hand-rivet-squeezers.aspx_
(http://www.averytools.com/p-497-avery-hand-rivet-squeezers.aspx) )
Thanks for your comments
do not archive (yet)
Carlos
CH601-HD
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
You will need a squeezer sometime in your aviation life.
Maybe not on the "basic" Zenith but you will add this and that in the
future and a hammer is not the professional way to squeeze.......
Years ago I bought the $119 model and its paid for itself many times
over. I do wish I would have paid just a little more and purchased one
with a deeper throat..
Steve
Arizona
N 9554 W
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: rivet squeezer
Hi Carlos, Not sure why you would buy a rivet squeezer when the spars
are the only items using solid rivets. Harbor Fright anvil and a two
pound hammer worked great for me. Jerry of Ga
In a message dated 8/6/2008 9:38:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
carlossa52@gmail.com writes:
Hello, all
I intend to buy a (manual) rivet squeezer (so far I have borrowed
one), and I would appreciate to read about your experiences with these
tools:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/handrivetsqueezer.php
http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=wciViewItem&WCE=90997s
http://www.ustool.com/usstore.asp?WCI=wciViewItem&WCE=90995s
http://tinyurl.com/58baoc (aviation tools, eBay store)
(Brown Tools seems to be offline, and Avery's squeezer is too
expensive
http://www.averytools.com/p-497-avery-hand-rivet-squeezers.aspx )
Thanks for your comments
do not archive (yet)
Carlos
CH601-HD
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
There are few spots where you need solid rivets, according to the plans.
But I have a couple of other applications where I definitely like the looks
of solid rivets (yes, I know, more time and effort - but what do I care,
it's been some 8 or 9 years already, a couple more is only 10%...).
Examples are access panels (1) to the instrument panel, from the top of the
fuselage and (2) to the wing tip, to install / repair lights.
See attached photo.
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD (remember the HD?!), plans
2008/8/7 <Jeyoung65@aol.com>
> Hi Carlos, Not sure why you would buy a rivet squeezer when the spars are
> the only items using solid rivets. Harbor Fright anvil and a two pound
> hammer worked great for me. Jerry of Ga
>
> In a message dated 8/6/2008 9:38:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> carlossa52@gmail.com writes:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
Hi Carlos,
I agree with you. Solid rivets are nice for installing nut plates in
most applications. I use the soft aluminum rivets for this ("A"
rather than "AD"). They are very easy to set with a 1 ton arbor
press or just a small hammer and steel bar for bucking.
Paul
XL nearly done.
At 08:24 AM 8/7/2008, you wrote:
>There are few spots where you need solid rivets, according to the plans.
>But I have a couple of other applications where I definitely like
>the looks of solid rivets (yes, I know, more time and effort - but
>what do I care, it's been some 8 or 9 years already, a couple more
>is only 10%...).
>Examples are access panels (1) to the instrument panel, from the top
>of the fuselage and (2) to the wing tip, to install / repair lights.
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| Subject: | Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
NIce letter however it won't do much. WHat she states is a liability protecting
stance, against some dipshit that wants to blame some potential accident on
the fact they used Chevron Mogas. Just CYA. SHe is in fact correct on the risks
of using MOGAS. Nothing we all do not know however. Benifits ecceed the
risks at this point. The rebuttle should be the chevron, " Make more 100 LL
or lead substitute gas and lower your FUel charges to Aviation.
Still trying to figure out what your point is, though I appreciate the vigilance.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 6, 2008 8:48 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 91 octane, time to be heard!
>
>
>If you are happy with just 100LL stop here. You won't like where this is going.
>
>This effects us all even in other countries because one tends to follow the other
at some point.
>If you are tired of someone saying we can't have 91 octane, read on. It's time
to pick a side and take 5 minutes to email. Our lives as people are good because
someone didn't just say ok. Some took the time to make change and made it
better for all of us. If we choose to sit on the sideline and just go along then
we deserve what we get. I would implore all to take a minute and email these
two people and any other fuel administrator in other companies. I will post
on as many aviation websites as possible and I would you all to pick a side and
stand up to be heard and maybe, just maybe we might effect change. I for one
don't want to roll over. You are about to read a bulletin about the use of Chevron
ground fuel verses aviation fuel. Then I have a response.
>
>Don't sit back and pick my memo apart, use that time to write your own and be
heard. Post this on all your aviation websites. Let them hear a nation wide voice.
>
>Send your emails to:
>
>LIMG(at)chevron.com
>kayalbitz(at)chevron.com
>
>or any other fuel company administrator.
>
>--------
>Roger Lee
>Tucson, Az.
>Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
>Rotax Service Center
>520-574-1080
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197016#197016
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/2008_04_2008_04_bulletin_2008_04_chevron_position_autogas_for_aviation_use_898.pdf
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_memo_846.doc
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith701801-List: rivet squeezer |
Thanks to all that offered their comments, on and off list.
Happy building, folks !
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
tail feathers, right wing done, making left wing tip
do not archive
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As I looked and asked about the 650 this is what I noticed:
The rudder sweep back comes from lengthening the top fuselage rudder
hinge fitting. The bottom forward rudder leading edge fairing 6T5-4 is
now wider at the top that the bottom. I did not notice if the rudder
chord had increased.
The diagonal stiffeners added between the fuselage uprights are a hold
over from the European version. They use a thinner skin. I was told
the diagonals were standard L angles. It was also mentioned that .016"
L angles would probably be sufficient.
I did not hear about possible aileron balance weights. Putting an extra
rib at the outboard end would allow for relatively easy retrofitting. I
had thought about adding an extra rib near the center of the aileron for
a possible balance weight, just in case.
A comment on cable tension: this is absolutely important on any
airplane. If the controls end up feeling stiff - get used to it. If
the structure bends or cracks fix that. Leaving the cable tension loose
is as much of a change from the design as changing the spar design. The
cables will stretch and the structure will settle. I will check it
every few flights for maybe the first 50 -100 hours. Also checking when
the weather warms up and cools down through the year is not a bad idea.
Erring to the high side is much better than erring to the low side.
Someone suggested that I write an article for the newsletter on setting
cable tension. I will see what I can do.
Ken Lilja
dougsire wrote:
>
> I finished up my 3 day visit to Airventure and this is what I gather as to the
differences and reasons for the new 650 model:
> Reasons:
> -They want to have part commonality across all distribution channels (Zenith,
AMD)
> -Sometimes you just need to introduce a new model to keep interest going
>
> Similarities and differences. The 650 is the 601 with the following differences
(might be more):
> -New rudder. It has more of an angle and just looks better. No one had a
better explanation here except for looks. The nose skin and nose rib are larger
and the bottom angle is different so can't really redo a current rudder.
> -Canopy. No brainer here. It looks nicer, has a better locking mechanism, has
greater headroom, is easier to build and has rollover protection. A retro
kit will be available for 601s.
> -Angle of incidence on wing has changed. They have slighltly lowered the rear
spar to provide a lower nose position and better visibility. Roger said this
was what the Europeans were used to so they decided to change it. No performance
reasons were indicated. Otherwise the wing is the same.
> -Additional fuselage bracing. Sebastian said there was some additional bracing
on the rear fuselage.
> -Possible aileron balancing. Sebastian also indicated that they may add aileron
balancing which would consist of an extra rib added at the end of the aileron
with the balance inside the wing (not like Brazilian one).
> -There may well be other small changes but is still the same basic structure.
>
> It is interesting that the "loose cable" theory is now the official company line.
>
> Doug Sire
> 601 XL
> Billings, MT
>
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On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:06:35PM -0400, Ken Lilja wrote:
> The cables will stretch and the structure will settle. I will check it
> every few flights for maybe the first 50 -100 hours. Also checking when
> the weather warms up and cools down through the year is not a bad idea.
> Erring to the high side is much better than erring to the low side.
Mathieu Heintz told me he recommended I flip the seat forward and make sure
the aileron cables twanged when I pluck them on preflight. I've added it to
the list. (I'm not too concerned about my AMD Zodiac's cables loosening,
since they're pretensioned when the ends are swaged on, but it's still
something I'll check.)
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder pedal tension - taildragger |
A very late comment on rudder cable tension:
Both the Cessna 150/152 and 170/172 series just used springs on the
rudder pedals. You adjust the cables so the pedal stands a certain
distance from the firewall. (changing those springs is not an enjoyable job)
Ken Lilja
Jeff Barnes wrote:
>
> On the taildragger version, are there any recommendations on keeping
> tension on the rudder cables. Zenith forgot to address this in the
> manual. After calling them they recommended springs attached to the
> firewall. I have heard of making a bellcrank with rods attached to the
> rudder pedals for a counter-balance so proper tension can be
> maintained. Any suggestions or recommendations would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
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