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1. 01:43 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Roger & Lina Hill)
2. 02:12 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Iberplanes IGL)
3. 02:36 PM - 6k2-3 side fairings (chris Sinfield)
4. 02:54 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Larry Winger)
5. 03:37 PM - Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (MaxNr@aol.com)
6. 04:02 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Dave G.)
7. 04:14 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Dave Austin)
8. 04:25 PM - Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (John REINKING)
9. 04:54 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Larry Winger)
10. 05:11 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Iberplanes IGL)
11. 05:24 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Craig Payne)
12. 05:32 PM - Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (Juan Vega)
13. 05:34 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (steve)
14. 05:37 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Dave Austin)
15. 06:37 PM - Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (Juan Vega)
16. 06:55 PM - A conversation on a plane (Juan Vega)
17. 07:03 PM - Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (Ken Lilja)
18. 07:09 PM - Flap or aileron next? (Ken Lilja)
19. 07:40 PM - Re: 6k2-3 side fairings (jaybannist@cs.com)
20. 08:01 PM - Re: Flap or aileron next? (Carlos Sa)
21. 08:11 PM - Re: A conversation on a plane (Larry Hursh)
22. 08:12 PM - Re: 6k2-3 side fairings (chris Sinfield)
23. 08:16 PM - Re: Flap or aileron next? (Ken Lilja)
24. 08:19 PM - Re: Flap or aileron next? (Larry Hursh)
25. 08:21 PM - Re: Flap or aileron next? (Bryan Martin)
26. 08:24 PM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Larry Winger)
27. 08:32 PM - Re: Flap or aileron next? (Bryan Martin)
28. 09:01 PM - Re: A conversation on a plane (raymondj)
29. 10:39 PM - Aeleron (sp) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (MaxNr@aol.com)
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| Subject: | 650 and BSR chute |
Larry Winger
Do you know, how does the parachute attach to the low wing 650?
Thanks
Roger
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Winger
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
I spoke with Roger at ZAC today, and he said that AMD is making the 650 with
the BRS behind the new baggage back bulkhead. Yes, it does shift the CG
back a bit, but it also protects the BRS from getting fouled with other
personal baggage. One of the only other issues I'm wondering about is
access for maintenance, but I'm sure they figured it out. When I get
specific installation info from AMD, I'll try to post it here. Hopefully
others will do the same.
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
Fuse 50%
Wings and control surfaces done.
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
FYI,
The 650 canopy will fit the XL and is compatible with the BRS chute. The
601XL has a little deeper baggage compartment than the 650. On the 601XL the
rear of the baggage compartment will still be under the aluminum skin. This
will allow for the normal 601XL BRS chute installation. On the 650 the rear
baggage bulkhead has been move forward a little and the BRS is installed
behind that bulkhead. I would not change the location of the rear bulkhead
and just leave the BRS in the rear portion of the baggage compartment.
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | 6k2-3 side fairings |
Hi Gang
I just replaced my center stick with a set of dual sticks. I received the 3 pages
of dual stick drawings from zenith with the kit, what I did not get was a drawing
for the different side fairing and fuel selector panel area.
Is there a different drawing of this side panel to allow for the cutout of the
duel stick. I see lots of pictures/ photos of the QB kits with it and the parts
catalog shows the larger side panel on 6-XN-24.
its the weekend and so I cannot ring the factory and ask? Was I missing something??
My original plans just show the old side fairing and old center console on
page 6-K-2 Do I need to ask for something different
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
I spoke briefly with the folks at AMD last week and got the impression that
they were installing the BRS behind the new standard location for the rear
baggage bulkhead. I didn't hear any talk about having to move that. What I
don't yet know is what kinds of modifications were necessary to make it
work. Once I get a clear picture, I plan to share it with the group.
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Scratchbuilding 601XL turned 650/Corvair
Wings & control surfaces done. Fuse 50%.
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| Subject: | Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
Just to be clear. When we say 91 octane, its autogas that we are talking
about and not the old 91/96 avgas, am I right? From my scant knowledge, I
understand that the refinery standards for all fuels are excellent for all products.
Quality is all good. Its the transportation and delivery standards that may
vary. My recent post retirement gig involved conducting safety and compliance
inspections for the aviation department of a major oil company. A biggie at my
visits involved the fuel installations. To be sure, they only use turbine fuel,
but procedures are basically the same. Check the filters, check the procedures
manual, check the pipes, check the people, blah, blah. I spent half a day on
fuel. The bottom line is that aviation fuel installations have way good
filters and somebody is always responsible for checking for water and contamination
on a daily basis and they keep good records for jerks like me. Aviation fuel
installations all have SS pipes and valves. This is a far cry from what you
find at a convenience store. Has anybody ever seen anyone there ever check for
water or drain it from the tanks? Daily? Are the filters out of date? Does the
air head clerk come outside to do the white bucket test and supervise delivery?
All pilots in our community know how to test for alcohol by now. Many own
that cool filter/funnel that you buy at the boat store or ACS. Even a fuel nerd
like myself can ensure that good fuel can be obtained that will feed an old Lyc
that was TC'd in 1940.
Bob Dingley
601XL/Lyc Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
I wonder if pilots with power parachute craft spend as much time
wondering how to attach fixed wings to their aircraft in case the chute
fails...
Just wondering....
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
Well said, Dave G.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
Howdy, group
I've been reading about using pushrods instead of cables for operating
the aelerons. Will some of you with more experience than this novice
mind discussing the pros and cons of pushrods v. cable in this application.
Am curious if the added weight of the pushrods would be a better
longterm replacement for the normal stretching of control cables in this
application.
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
As a scratch builder, I'd say I've spent at least as much time as anyone
else. Maybe more than most. Life doesn't have to be "either or."
"Both/and" can also be very advantageous.
Larry Winger
Do Not Archive
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Dave G. <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wonder if pilots with power parachute craft spend as much time
> wondering how to attach fixed wings to their aircraft in case the chute
> fails...
>
> Just wondering....
>
> **
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
....and what=B4s the problem if people like to install a chute?
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | 650 and BSR chute |
A fixed wing aircraft is in a different situation that a powered parachute
when its *engine* fails. For those of us that fly over rough terrain there
is often not a good place to put down.
Some reasonable people have decided that fitting a BRS is a sound decision
for a number of reasons. It is an argument that won't be settled here.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
I wonder if pilots with power parachute craft spend as much time wondering
how to attach fixed wings to their aircraft in case the chute fails...
Just wondering....
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| Subject: | Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
Pushrods are great. Cables are just as Great. Depends on the design parameters
of the plane. How much dihedral, Speed of plane, force on ailerons. Weight
constraints of the plane, etc.. Simple answer is, for an LSA 700 plane with
a pronounced dihedral, at speeds below 180 knots, cable is perfect. You want
to put push rods?, no harm done there either, if you can figure out the design
for the wings with the 601's dehidral, and get over the more work needed to
get rods correctly cut to size.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: John REINKING <reinkings@comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 9, 2008 7:24 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL
>
>
>Howdy, group
>I've been reading about using pushrods instead of cables for operating
>the aelerons. Will some of you with more experience than this novice
>mind discussing the pros and cons of pushrods v. cable in this application.
>Am curious if the added weight of the pushrods would be a better
>longterm replacement for the normal stretching of control cables in this
>application.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
Wing Bolts
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
A fixed wing aircraft is in a different situation that a powered
parachute when its *engine* fails. For those of us that fly over rough
terrain there is often not a good place to put down.
Some reasonable people have decided that fitting a BRS is a sound
decision for a number of reasons. It is an argument that won't be
settled here.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:02 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
I wonder if pilots with power parachute craft spend as much time
wondering how to attach fixed wings to their aircraft in case the chute
fails...
Just wondering....
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
No problems at all. But the decision brings in may other factors. The
chute uses up significant load carrying capacity. It increases fuel
consumption and decreases range, decreases safety factor of the design,
climb speed, lowers manouvering speed, and Vne, increases stall speed,
landing speed, best glide speed etc..
So the question is: do I want all those things, with their inherent
risk, or do I want the chute in case of engine or airframe failure.
Nobody ever said it was simple.
And I respect everyones' decision.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
Also look at disances traveled between control points. You can use both in combo.
Attached are some pictures showing push rod in short length to cable horn
for the long travel on a KR2. Like I said both are just as good. In a b-29,
yep, the Enola Gay, cables are used through out in long travel areas for controls.
Juan Vega
-----Original Message-----
>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Aug 9, 2008 8:32 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL
>
>
>Pushrods are great. Cables are just as Great. Depends on the design parameters
of the plane. How much dihedral, Speed of plane, force on ailerons. Weight
constraints of the plane, etc.. Simple answer is, for an LSA 700 plane with
a pronounced dihedral, at speeds below 180 knots, cable is perfect. You want
to put push rods?, no harm done there either, if you can figure out the design
for the wings with the 601's dehidral, and get over the more work needed
to get rods correctly cut to size.
>
>Juan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John REINKING <reinkings@comcast.net>
>>Sent: Aug 9, 2008 7:24 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL
>>
>>
>>Howdy, group
>>I've been reading about using pushrods instead of cables for operating
>>the aelerons. Will some of you with more experience than this novice
>>mind discussing the pros and cons of pushrods v. cable in this application.
>>Am curious if the added weight of the pushrods would be a better
>>longterm replacement for the normal stretching of control cables in this
>>application.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | A conversation on a plane |
A man boards an airplane and takes his seat. As he settles in, he glances up and
sees a very beautiful woman boarding the plane. He soon realizes she is heading
straight towards his seat, and a wave of nervous anticipation washes over
him. Lo and behold, she takes the seat right beside his. Eager to strike up a
conversation, he blurts out, Business trip or vacation?
The woman turns, smiles and says, Business. Im going to the annual Nymphomaniac
Convention in Chicago.
The man swallows hard and is instantly crazed with excitement. Struggling to maintain
his outward cool, he calmly asks, Whats your business role at this convention?
Lecturer, she says. I use my experience to debunk some of the popular myths about
sexuality.
Really, he says. What myths are those?
Well, she explains, one popular myth is that African American men are the most
well endowed when, in fact, it is the Native American Indian who is most likely
to possess that trait. Another popular myth is that French men are the best
lovers, when actually its men of Jewish decent.
Suddenly, the women becomes very embarrassed and blushes. I'm sorry, she says,
I shouldnt be discussing this with you, I don't even know your name!
Tonto, the man says as he extends his hand. Tonto Goldstein.
Juan
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| Subject: | Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
If cables are good enough of a DC-9 aileron and elevator system they are
good enough for me ; )
A disadvantage of pushrods is the possibility of play in the rod ends
becoming significant. Mooney has an AD on the control system for
inspection and lubrication to prevent excess wear. They have a lot of
rod ends!
Ken Lilja
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| Subject: | Flap or aileron next? |
I have finally finished the empennage and would like to know if starting
the either the flaps or ailerons next (build order) would have any
advantage. Wings will need me to access the garage which will take a
ACT OF GOD/
/Ken Lilja
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| Subject: | Re: 6k2-3 side fairings |
Chris,
I had the same problem. I had already made the console shown on the
drawings, but, of course, that one won't work with the dual sticks.
There was no drawing, so I just made one that works for me. I can send
photos if you want. Just ask.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 4:35 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: 6k2-3 side fairings
<chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Hi Gang
I just replaced my center stick with a set of dual sticks. I received
the 3
pages of dual stick drawings from zenith with the kit, what I did not
get was a
drawing for the different side fairing and fuel selector panel area.
Is there a different drawing of this side panel to allow for the cutout
of the
duel stick. I see lots of pictures/ photos of the QB kits with it and
the parts
catalog shows the larger side panel on 6-XN-24.
its the weekend and so I cannot ring the factory and ask? Was I missing
something?? My original plans just show the old side fairing and old
center
console on page 6-K-2 Do I need to ask for something different
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Flap or aileron next? |
Hopefully you are in good terms with God...?
Sorry, couldn't resist. Actually, I could, just decided not to. Good luck !
do not archive
Carlos
2008/8/9 Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
>
> I have finally finished the empennage and would like to know if starting
> the either the flaps or ailerons next (build order) would have any
> advantage. Wings will need me to access the garage which will take a ACT OF
> GOD/
>
> /Ken Lilja
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
<amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
A man boards an airplane and takes his seat. As he settles in, he glances u
p
and sees a very beautiful woman boarding the plane. -You are now on my bl
ocked list.-=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: 6k2-3 side fairings |
yes please,
photos would be great, measurements around the duel stick area would be even better?.
I wonder why Zenith don't have this as a drawing since it is what is on
the QB kits..
Chris..
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| Subject: | Re: Flap or aileron next? |
Both my wife and my mother in law are Methodist ministers. The short
answer is I better be! ; )
Ken Lilja
Carlos Sa wrote:
> Hopefully you are in good terms with God...?
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist. Actually, I could, just decided not to. Good
> luck !
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap or aileron next? |
--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Flap or aileron next?
<planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
I have finally finished the empennage and would like to know if starting
the either the flaps or ailerons next (build order) would have any
advantage. Wings will need me to access the garage which will take a
ACT OF GOD/
/Ken Lilja
Ken, If your space is as limited as you say, you would be best to do either the
ailerons or the flaps.Either one would be fine because you have to do them eventually.
They very simple constructionand very straight forward. I commented
to my wife this afternoon how I can't imagine anyone STRUGGLING with buildingin
a single car garage or having to share a 2 car with your spouse. I got VERY
LUCKY. Mywife OFFERED to give up her space so my entire 2 1/2 garage is now
my shop. Best of luck to you and happy building!Tailwinds and Blue Skies Always,DO
NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Flap or aileron next? |
I did my flaps and ailerons before starting the wings. I would
recommend it, they require a fair amount of work space as you build
them but don't require very much storage space after they are done.
On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Ken Lilja wrote:
> >
>
> I have finally finished the empennage and would like to know if
> starting the either the flaps or ailerons next (build order) would
> have any advantage. Wings will need me to access the garage which
> will take a ACT OF GOD/
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
I agree with you, Dave. A chute changes all those things. That's why I
chose to lose 35+ pounds to offset the extra BRS weight. Who knows, but
that 35 pounds *off* of me and *into* my plane in the form of a chute just
might save my life in either of two different ways: my health or my hide!
I'm happy with my solution, and you are right when you say it isn't a simple
decision.
Larry Winger
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Dave Austin <daveaustin2@primus.ca> wrote:
> No problems at all. But the decision brings in may other factors. The
> chute uses up significant load carrying capacity. It increases fuel
> consumption and decreases range, decreases safety factor of the design,
> climb speed, lowers manouvering speed, and Vne, increases stall speed,
> landing speed, best glide speed etc..
> So the question is: do I want all those things, with their inherent risk,
> or do I want the chute in case of engine or airframe failure.
> Nobody ever said it was simple.
> And I respect everyones' decision.
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap or aileron next? |
I built my Zodiac in a 8 1/2' X 24' cargo trailer and stored the
finished parts hanging from the rafters in my father's garage. You can
build the plane in a very limited space as long as you have a good
place to store the finished sub-assemblies. I built the fuselage last
as that would was the largest single sub-assembly. when the fuselage
was complete, I hauled every thing to a hangar for final assembly.
On Aug 9, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Larry Hursh wrote:
>
>
> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> From: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Flap or aileron next?
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 9:07 PM
>
> <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
>
> I have finally finished the empennage and would like to know if
> starting
> the either the flaps or ailerons next (build order) would have any
> advantage. Wings will need me to access the garage which will take a
> ACT OF GOD/
>
> /Ken Lilja
> Ken,
> If your space is as limited as you say, you would be best to do
> either the ailerons or the flaps.
> Either one would be fine because you have to do them eventually.
> They very simple construction
> and very straight forward.
> I commented to my wife this afternoon how I can't imagine anyone
> STRUGGLING with building
> in a single car garage or having to share a 2 car with your spouse.
> I got VERY LUCKY. My
> wife OFFERED to give up her space so my entire 2 1/2 garage is now
> my shop.
> Best of luck to you and happy building!
> Tailwinds and Blue Skies Always,
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
Juan
Please include "do not archive" with your old, stale, tasteless jokes.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>
>
> A man boards an airplane and takes his seat. As he settles in, he glances
> up and sees a very beautiful woman boarding the plane. He soon realizes
> she is heading straight towards his seat, and a wave of nervous
> anticipation washes over him. Lo and behold, she takes the seat right
> beside his. Eager to strike up a conversation, he blurts out, Business
> trip or vacation?
>
> The woman turns, smiles and says, Business. Im going to the annual
> Nymphomaniac Convention in Chicago.
>
> The man swallows hard and is instantly crazed with excitement. Struggling
> to maintain his outward cool, he calmly asks, Whats your business role
> at this convention?
>
> Lecturer, she says. I use my experience to debunk some of the popular
> myths about sexuality.
>
> Really, he says. What myths are those?
>
> Well, she explains, one popular myth is that African American men are
> the most well endowed when, in fact, it is the Native American Indian who
> is most likely to possess that trait. Another popular myth is that French
> men are the best lovers, when actually its men of Jewish decent.
>
> Suddenly, the women becomes very embarrassed and blushes. I'm sorry, she
> says, I shouldnt be discussing this with you, I don't even know your
> name!
>
> Tonto, the man says as he extends his hand. Tonto Goldstein.
>
>
> Juan
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 4:55 PM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aeleron (sp) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
Push -pull control tubes are widely used in all kinds of aircraft.
Helicopters almost universally. Some have adjustable rod ends, some (Bell 206
helicopters) have some non adjustable. Saves time when the ship is returned to
service.
Push pull rods have a more precise feel with no slop. You don't need to keep
tuning them like a guitar. You should keep all bearings and bushings in good
order and lubed. I count five pivots from the torque tube to the aileron horn.
With .010 slop in each, it would amount to .050 total. You would want the
601XL inboard ends to be adjustable.
Looking at some old 1965 vintage drawings for a 1500 lb 200MPH low wing all
metal monoplane, The aileron push - pull tube is either 1"X.035" 6061 T6 tube
with swaged ends, (a little welding req.) or 1"X.035 2024 T4 with a threaded
alum insert riveted in with AN 470's for the adjustable rod end. Easiest. Looks
to be about an 8' run. Rod ends are attached with AN 470 rivets. Appears to
be a little weight saving since you eliminate the balance cable. You may or may
not detect the reduced friction. There appears to be an opportunity to run
the tube through the rear lightening holes in the rear ribs and install inboard
on the torque tube. The aileron bellcrank end is also installed straight
forward. A little elegance would be to put a duplicate of the bell crank inspection
panel out on the wing tip. If you ever need to remove the tube for whatever
reason, like sloppy bearings, it could be disconnected at both ends and slid
out the tip. Other wise it would mean removing the wing. These old drawings also
feature a 10' long elevator push-pull tube made of 2" alum tube but that's
another story. No easy way to avoid rudder cables but its been done. But why?
You will still need a cable tension gauge to check what ever cables are
installed. $750.00. Some reports say that tension is lost in as little as 27 hours.
Anyway, see CH's last letter. Look in the archives because someone has already
done aileron push-pull tubes. Did you know that "Aileron" means little wing in
French? Questions? Contact me off list.
Bob Dingley
601XL/Lyc Do not archive
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