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1. 04:21 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Dave Austin)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Roger & Lina Hill)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: A conversation on a plane (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Building Space (jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 06:36 AM - Chat Room Reminder for "Digesters" (George Race)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: Aeleron (sp) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (steve)
7. 07:21 AM - Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (Grant Corriveau)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: Building Space (Bill Naumuk)
9. 07:36 AM - Re: Building Space (Paul Mulwitz)
10. 07:38 AM - Re: 6k2-3 side fairings (jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 07:45 AM - Mid top skin pucker (Bill Naumuk)
12. 08:02 AM - Re: Building Space (Bill Naumuk)
13. 08:13 AM - Re: Mid top skin pucker (Paul Mulwitz)
14. 08:13 AM - Re: Building Space (Rick Lindstrom)
15. 08:19 AM - Re: A conversation on a plane (Juan Vega)
16. 08:38 AM - Tool sharing -- aircraft cable tension meter (lwinger)
17. 08:40 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Dave G.)
18. 08:46 AM - Re: Building Space (Larry Winger)
19. 09:03 AM - Re: A conversation on a plane (steve)
20. 09:29 AM - Mid top pucker, gold oil top cover (Bill Naumuk)
21. 09:46 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Craig Payne)
22. 10:21 AM - Re: Aeleron (sp) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (MaxNr@aol.com)
23. 10:33 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Paul Mulwitz)
24. 10:39 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL (LarryMcFarland)
25. 10:40 AM - Re: A conversation on a plane (Larry Hursh)
26. 10:40 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Dave G.)
27. 10:46 AM - Re: A conversation on a plane (Larry Hursh)
28. 11:02 AM - Re: Tool sharing -- aircraft cable tension meter (LarryMcFarland)
29. 11:14 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Craig Payne)
30. 11:20 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (steve)
31. 11:50 AM - Re: 650 and BSR chute (Dave G.)
32. 11:53 AM - Yikes, I've sprung a leak! (THOMAS SMALL)
33. 12:21 PM - Re: Tool sharing -- aircraft cable tension meter (lwinger)
34. 03:31 PM - Re: 6k2-3 side fairings (chris Sinfield)
35. 03:36 PM - Re: A conversation on a plane (Juan Vega)
36. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: 6k2-3 side fairings (jaybannist@cs.com)
37. 04:22 PM - Re: A conversation on a plane (Larry Hursh)
38. 04:47 PM - message for Neil Hulin (chris Sinfield)
39. 05:10 PM - Middle Balance Fairlead (John Davis)
40. 05:48 PM - Re: Middle Balance Fairlead (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
41. 06:09 PM - First flight N601EX (David Brown)
42. 07:11 PM - Re: First flight N601EX (Ron Lendon)
43. 07:56 PM - Re: First flight N601EX (lwinger)
44. 09:01 PM - confused 701 builder and flier at oshkosh (ROBERT SCEPPA)
45. 09:18 PM - Re: First flight N601EX (n801bh@netzero.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
Sounds like a great way to go, Larry.
Tailwinds.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | 650 and BSR chute |
Howdy all
A couple of years ago I was flying my 601 HDS when the new wood propeller
broke off at about 6000 feet AGL. Yep, it was a bad
situation all right. I was about 10 miles from the airport over a hilly
wooded area, known for its rugged terrain and I really didn't
have any good place to land. I glided back to the airport and made it to
within 1 mile before landing in a bean field. Luckily,
we had a drought that year and the soy beans were very short and l landed
with no problems (after I flew under the transmission lines)
I use to make fun of people who put parachutes on their airplane, but when
it happens to you they don't seems so silly any more.
Having a backup plan, when your other backup plans fail is worth the extra
35 pounds, at least it is for me. For me flying would
be more enjoyable now if I could relax in the air more, knowing that if all
else fails, I still have one more thing I can do,,pull the lever.
Roger
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Winger
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
I agree with you, Dave. A chute changes all those things. That's why I
chose to lose 35+ pounds to offset the extra BRS weight. Who knows, but
that 35 pounds off of me and into my plane in the form of a chute just might
save my life in either of two different ways: my health or my hide! I'm
happy with my solution, and you are right when you say it isn't a simple
decision.
Larry Winger
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Dave Austin <daveaustin2@primus.ca> wrote:
No problems at all. But the decision brings in may other factors. The
chute uses up significant load carrying capacity. It increases fuel
consumption and decreases range, decreases safety factor of the design,
climb speed, lowers manouvering speed, and Vne, increases stall speed,
landing speed, best glide speed etc..
So the question is: do I want all those things, with their inherent risk,
or do I want the chute in case of engine or airframe failure.
Nobody ever said it was simple.
And I respect everyones' decision.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
Juan, I really enjoyed this post. It has everything. It really raised my
Sunday morning blahs. Keep it up and everybody will be as happy as you are. Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Building Space |
Larry,
I built my entire airplane (XL) in half of a two car garage. It took
about two years. My wife parked her car in the other half every night.
I had limited use of her half during the day while she was at work,
but I did a lot of work with her car in the garage. So it CAN be done
and I don't feel like I struggled with it. And of course, I had to
move all the completed parts to the airport for final assembly.
If you are contemplating building in a limited space, don't let that
deter you. Go for it!
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap or aileron next?
--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
I have finally finished the empennage and would like to know if
starting
the either the flaps or ailerons next (build order) would have any
advantage. Wings will need me to access the garage which will take a
ACT OF GOD/
/Ken Lilja
Ken,
If your space is as limited as you say, you would be best to do either
the ailerons or the flaps.
Either one would be fine because you have to do them eventually. They
very simple construction
and very straight forward.
I commented to my wife this afternoon how I can't imagine anyone
STRUGGLING with building
in a single car garage or having to share a 2 car with your spouse. I
got VERY LUCKY. My
wife OFFERED to give up her space so my entire 2 1/2 garage is now my
shop.
Best of luck to you and happy building!
Tailwinds and Blue Skies Always,
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder for "Digesters" |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
Eastern Time.
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CH-701 - N73EX
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| Subject: | Re: Aeleron (sp) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
The 601 XL is my third homebuilt aircraft. The first two did have
push/pull tubes. They were NOT riveted anywhere. The requirement was
to use two 3/16 AN bolts on each end. Seems the builders were having
problems with rivets so the factory insisted on the bolts. I liked
the tubing. It was super simple and easy to inspect.
Some tubes were aluminum but most were 4130...035.
For long runs there were teflon guides which were also easy to
inspect...
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: MaxNr@aol.com
To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Aeleron (sp) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL
Push -pull control tubes are widely used in all kinds of aircraft.
Helicopters almost universally. Some have adjustable rod ends, some
(Bell 206 helicopters) have some non adjustable. Saves time when the
ship is returned to service. Push pull rods have a more precise feel
with no slop. You don't need to keep tuning them like a guitar. You
should keep all bearings and bushings in good order and lubed. I count
five pivots from the torque tube to the aileron horn. With .010 slop in
each, it would amount to .050 total. You would want the 601XL inboard
ends to be adjustable.
Looking at some old 1965 vintage drawings for a 1500 lb 200MPH low
wing all metal monoplane, The aileron push - pull tube is either
1"X.035" 6061 T6 tube with swaged ends, (a little welding req.) or
1"X.035 2024 T4 with a threaded alum insert riveted in with AN 470's for
the adjustable rod end. Easiest. Looks to be about an 8' run. Rod ends
are attached with AN 470 rivets. Appears to be a little weight saving
since you eliminate the balance cable. You may or may not detect the
reduced friction. There appears to be an opportunity to run the tube
through the rear lightening holes in the rear ribs and install inboard
on the torque tube. The aileron bellcrank end is also installed straight
forward. A little elegance would be to put a duplicate of the bell crank
inspection panel out on the wing tip. If you ever need to remove the
tube for whatever reason, like sloppy bearings, it could be disconnected
at both ends and slid out the tip. Other wise it would mean removing the
wing. These old drawings also feature a 10' long elevator push-pull tube
made of 2" alum tube but that's another story. No easy way to avoid
rudder cables but its been done. But why? You will still need a cable
tension gauge to check what ever cables are installed. $750.00. Some
reports say that tension is lost in as little as 27 hours. Anyway, see
CH's last letter. Look in the archives because someone has already done
aileron push-pull tubes. Did you know that "Aileron" means little wing
in French? Questions? Contact me off list.
Bob Dingley
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| Subject: | Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
RE: In a b-29 yep, the Enola Gay, cables are used through out in
long travel areas for controls.
Yup - it's called fly-by-wire, beta version... with all the inherent
problems of pulleys and so on, I'm not sure why folks are sometimes
uneasy with the current, more electronic version fly-by-wire, version
3.0... as used on Airbus 'n such... <grin>
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| Subject: | Re: Building Space |
Larry-
No matter how much space you have, you never seem to have enough.
FYI, I started building in my basement and realized I had to build an
additional stall on my garage. Filled it up in no time. I have nearly as
much outlay in my shop as I do in my project! I'm sure all the long time
builders will agree- after a while only completion matters and you will find
a way.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Building Space
>
>
> Larry,
>
> I built my entire airplane (XL) in half of a two car garage. It took about
> two years. My wife parked her car in the other half every night. I had
> limited use of her half during the day while she was at work, but I did a
> lot of work with her car in the garage. So it CAN be done and I don't
> feel like I struggled with it. And of course, I had to move all the
> completed parts to the airport for final assembly.
>
> If you are contemplating building in a limited space, don't let that deter
> you. Go for it!
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:19 pm
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap or aileron next?
>
> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> From: Ken Lilja <planes_by_ken@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> I have finally finished the empennage and would like to know if starting
> the either the flaps or ailerons next (build order) would have any
> advantage. Wings will need me to access the garage which will take a
> ACT OF GOD/
>
> /Ken Lilja
>
>
> Ken,
>
> If your space is as limited as you say, you would be best to do either the
> ailerons or the flaps.
>
> Either one would be fine because you have to do them eventually. They
> very simple construction
>
> and very straight forward.
>
> I commented to my wife this afternoon how I can't imagine anyone
> STRUGGLING with building
>
> in a single car garage or having to share a 2 car with your spouse. I got
> VERY LUCKY. My
>
> wife OFFERED to give up her space so my entire 2 1/2 garage is now my
> shop.
>
> Best of luck to you and happy building!
>
> Tailwinds and Blue Skies Always,
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building Space |
Hi Bill,
It only gets worse. After you finish your plane you need a place to
store it at an airport.
I am having a hangar built for me - the only way I can get one at the
nearest airport. It is costing about twice as much as my XL. The
good news is I will probably make a profit on the hangar if I live
long enough to sell it.
Paul
XL nearly done.
At 07:21 AM 8/10/2008, you wrote:
>I have nearly as much outlay in my shop as I do in my project! I'm
>sure all the long time builders will agree- after a while only
>completion matters and you will find a way.
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| Subject: | Re: 6k2-3 side fairings |
Chris,
I have attached photos and drawings of my center console.
The first photo is the console that came with my kit, which doesn't
work with dual sticks.
I actually made two more console panels, but this is the final one,
.025" 6061-T6 (would be better with 0.32").
The drawings are in two parts because it is larger than a letter-size
piece of paper. The match line should be exactly 10" long for correct
scale.
I may someday figure out how to make fuller side panels to hide some of
the miscellaneous "stuff" under there. None of it is in the way, but
it looks cluttered in the photos.
Let me know if you have questions.
Jay in Dallas CH 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser"
-----Original Message-----
From: chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 4:35 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: 6k2-3 side fairings
<chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Hi Gang
I just replaced my center stick with a set of dual sticks. I received
the 3
pages of dual stick drawings from zenith with the kit, what I did not
get was a
drawing for the different side fairing and fuel selector panel area.
Is there a different drawing of this side panel to allow for the cutout
of the
duel stick. I see lots of pictures/ photos of the QB kits with it and
the parts
catalog shows the larger side panel on 6-XN-24.
its the weekend and so I cannot ring the factory and ask? Was I missing
something?? My original plans just show the old side fairing and old
center
console on page 6-K-2 Do I need to ask for something different
Chris
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| Subject: | Mid top skin pucker |
All-
After a 3 week hiatus used to side the front of the house (Is that
an oxymoron?) I'm picking up where I left off on the project.
The mid top fuse skin has a tendency to pucker along the top
longeron at the intersection of the cockpit sides. Any suggestions how
to avoid this?
You'll notice I finally reserved an N number. "Mike Golf" is
appropriate because my brother Mike is as crazy about golf as I am about
airplanes and "One Mike Golf" is about as short as you can get when
talking to control. As long as it doesn't wind up signifying "My God,
you're not going to fly that thing, are you"?
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Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Building Space |
Paul-
I know what you mean. I'm starting to think I would have been better off
with a 701. I could have flown it from my neighbor's field (Hay, not air)
and stored it in my garangar.
A guy I went to high school with who has a Cherokee built his own hangar
at a nearby field. I'm thinking about asking him if there's enough room to
get my plane out of the elements during flying season and then bringing it
back to the garangar for the winter. It's either that or I'm in the same
boat as you are. The kicker is, here, they give you the land for free for 25
years, then anything you build on it reverts to the city. Of course, unless
I was in the same shape as Bob Hoover in 25 years (Hah!) I couldn't find my
way to the airport in 25 years.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Building Space
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> It only gets worse. After you finish your plane you need a place to store
> it at an airport.
>
> I am having a hangar built for me - the only way I can get one at the
> nearest airport. It is costing about twice as much as my XL. The good
> news is I will probably make a profit on the hangar if I live long enough
> to sell it.
>
> Paul
> XL nearly done.
>
> At 07:21 AM 8/10/2008, you wrote:
>>I have nearly as much outlay in my shop as I do in my project! I'm sure
>>all the long time builders will agree- after a while only completion
>>matters and you will find a way.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mid top skin pucker |
I found that tucking the top skin in under the side skin at the
cockpit rear makes it lay down pretty nicely.
Paul
XL getting close
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At 07:45 AM 8/10/2008, you wrote:
>The mid top fuse skin has a tendency to pucker along the top
>longeron at the intersection of the cockpit sides. Any suggestions
>how to avoid this?
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| Subject: | Re: Building Space |
The difficulties of building in your garage, or even a T hangar, is what prompted
me to open up a build facility next to Livermore Airport in Northern California.
After making repeated trips to Edgewater, FL, in 2006 to build my 601 with
Gus, I started fantasizing about building in an ideal facilty. You know, with
good lighting, plenty of air pressure, lots of space, and most of all, lack
of interruptions or repeated runs for crucial little bits and pieces.
So when we lost our lease at the Hayward Airport due to a change in management,
we rented 8,000 square feet of industrial space to build the shop, open a retail
store chocked full of building bits, and a small flying club so our builders
can maintain proficiency and hone their skills in anticipation of Phase 1 flight
testing. Oh, and Woody Harris is part of our team overseeing the Corvair
conversion process.
Our Grand Opening should be in September if we stay on schedule, and the website should but up soon at www.flaglvk.com.
So far, the best part of this project was getting a forklift! I don't know how
I EVER survived without one!
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP 601XL / Corvair
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
>Sent: Aug 10, 2008 7:35 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Building Space
>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>It only gets worse. After you finish your plane you need a place to
>store it at an airport.
>
>I am having a hangar built for me - the only way I can get one at the
>nearest airport. It is costing about twice as much as my XL. The
>good news is I will probably make a profit on the hangar if I live
>long enough to sell it.
>
>Paul
>XL nearly done.
>
>At 07:21 AM 8/10/2008, you wrote:
>>I have nearly as much outlay in my shop as I do in my project! I'm
>>sure all the long time builders will agree- after a while only
>>completion matters and you will find a way.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
Larry,
i am sorry you took this Joke personally, I think I hit a sore subject?
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 9, 2008 11:10 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>
>
>--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>To: "matronic list" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
>Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 8:53 PM
>
><amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>
>
>A man boards an airplane and takes his seat. As he settles in, he glances up
>and sees a very beautiful woman boarding the plane. You are now on my blocked
list.
>
>
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| Subject: | Tool sharing -- aircraft cable tension meter |
With the importance of properly tensioned control cables, would there be any interest
in a "floating" aircraft cable tension meter? The expense of nearly $800
makes it hard to justify for one builder with one plane.
It seems like two options could work.
Option A: Shared purchase/unlimited future use for the cost of one-way shipping
to the next user (by a group of at least 16 builders chipping in $50)
Option B: Rental at $xx (plus one-way shipping to the next user) with one builder
buying and owning the unit.
Any interest out there? If so, please reply with the option that you might be interested
in. If I get at least 16 "Option A" responses, I'll pick one up ASAP.
BTW, I know there are other ways to calibrate our cables. This is just to investigate
how to make a purpose-built quality tool available to the broader group.
I've attached the instructions for the Tensitron ACM-100 from Aircraft Spruce.
Thanks.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
Control surfaces and wings complete
Fuselage 50%
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
Thanks, at least one person took it as humor. (for the others, look up
"observational humor/comedy and smile in the dictionary)
I'm actually in favour of BRS devices under certain circumstances, but
in spite of all the anecdotal "evidence" I have yet to see a case where
the pilot was undoubtedly saved by one. I've seen several films of guys
who deployed them and claim they were saved but they all appeared to be
flyable airframes where the pilot simply decided to stop flying the
plane and ride the chute down. In fact there was some talk when Diamond
started installing them that the airframe may be unsafe because of the
number of deployments. In the case of a true airframe failure where the
craft cannot be brought inder control I'm sure I'd like to have the
device, provided I was actually able to deploy it but I've not seen a
case and I'd love to see some genuine data on the chances.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: "Dave G."
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Nice Steven Wright thought there Dave,
No but I did see a guy on youtube who skydived (sky-dove?) with a set
of Captain Fantastic wings strapped on (probably not the first strap-on
he had employed in his life). Does that qualify?
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Building Space |
Congratulations, Rick. Great move on your part. I'll see you in
September!
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
Wings and control surfaces done
Fuselage 50%
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>wrote:
> tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
> Our Grand Opening should be in September if we stay on schedule, and the
> website should but up soon at www.flaglvk.com.
>
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
A Rabbi and Priest walk into a bar.
The Priest says to the bar tender " ".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>
> Larry,
> i am sorry you took this Joke personally, I think I hit a sore subject?
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Aug 9, 2008 11:10 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>>
>>
>>
>>--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>>To: "matronic list" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
>>Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 8:53 PM
>>
>><amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>
>>
>>A man boards an airplane and takes his seat. As he settles in, he glances
>>up
>>and sees a very beautiful woman boarding the plane. You are now on my
>>blocked list.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Mid top pucker, gold oil top cover |
All-
Back to Zenith Construction Problemsolving 101. Applying siding is
child's play compared to working on the project!
1. My gold oil top cover came from WW and subsequently I just had to
tear the rear accessory cover and pulley back off. The gold oil top
cover is an essential part if you're not using a remote oil system. What
isn't evident until you actually get the cover is that there is a
bushing that has to be pressed out of the factory rear cover to allow
you to install it. The advantages of the gold oil cover are the ability
to use an integral oil filter and ports for the oil temp and pressure
senders. Check into this before you start bolting things together.
2. My first thought re: mid skin pucker was to lap the side skins
over the mid skin. Larry Mac talked me out of it, because this is an
opportunity for water to enter the inner airframe.
Perhaps a better way of approaching the problem was suggested by
Jeff Small. "Spoon" a little bit of curvature into the junction area.
Good building. (I hope I actually get some in!!)
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | 650 and BSR chute |
Try looking at it this way: read through the NTSB reports of fatal
accidents. Then ask yourself how many of those people would have survived if
they had had a BRS.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Thanks, at least one person took it as humor. (for the others, look up
"observational humor/comedy and smile in the dictionary)
I'm actually in favour of BRS devices under certain circumstances, but in
spite of all the anecdotal "evidence" I have yet to see a case where the
pilot was undoubtedly saved by one. I've seen several films of guys who
deployed them and claim they were saved but they all appeared to be flyable
airframes where the pilot simply decided to stop flying the plane and ride
the chute down. In fact there was some talk when Diamond started installing
them that the airframe may be unsafe because of the number of deployments.
In the case of a true airframe failure where the craft cannot be brought
inder control I'm sure I'd like to have the device, provided I was actually
able to deploy it but I've not seen a case and I'd love to see some genuine
data on the chances.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II <mailto:dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Nice Steven Wright thought there Dave,
No but I did see a guy on youtube who skydived (sky-dove?) with a set of
Captain Fantastic wings strapped on (probably not the first strap-on he had
employed in his life). Does that qualify?
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Aeleron (sp) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
Good point on using bolts. I could live with them. Riveting does seem to be a
widely accepted practice, however. All helicopters seem to go that route.
Their push rods are subject to feedback vibes that an airplane would never see.
They are out in the open for easy inspection. Take a look at the next helo you
see. I could sleep at night either way. They are both acceptable in my limited
experience.
Bob Do not archive
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| Subject: | 650 and BSR chute |
Hi Craig,
I think you are asking the right question.
I have been reading accident reports for many years. My sense is the
fatal accidents tend to be controlled flight into terrain (CFIT),
flight into bad weather, the occasional mid-air collision, and all
sorts of really rare stuff like the guy who ran his huge war bird
into an RV on the ground at Oshkosh last year slicing up the RV and
occupants. There are also a lot of landing stall/spins. For the
most part none of these situations would be helped by a ballistic 'chute.
Yes, there are some other accident types that the 'chute can help
with. That includes structure failures at high altitudes (in the
traffic pattern doesn't really give enough time for the pilot to
successfully deploy the 'chute), engine failures over water or other
very difficult terrain, and some other really rare events. I suppose
the cases of accidental flight into IMC by non-instrument qualified
pilots is another case, but this one would better be handled with a
little training and regular practice. A pilot should be able to do a
180 and save the plane and occupants rather than destroying the plane
but landing softly wherever the 'chute decides to do so.
I am not planning on a 'chute for my plane. I don't have a problem
with people who make the other choice.
Paul
XL getting close
do not archive
>Try looking at it this way: read through the NTSB reports of fatal
>accidents. Then ask yourself how many of those people would have
>survived if they had had a BRS.
>
>
>-- Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeleron (sp?) Push Rod Question/ CH601XL |
Hi John,
Cables are essentially dirt simple and ideal for the Zenith aircraft.
Push tubes are fine for rigid structures within a fuselage, but
where there is structural deflection, push tubes can self-destruct in
vibration if the sizing is not balanced and can work ineffectively
against a deflected geometry. Never have seen a cable doing this or
becoming bound in travel with other components.
One has to be very careful going with arbitrary changes from cable to
push tubes or rods.
I have cables tensioned 20 to 25 lbs and they've not stretched nor lost
tension in two years. Perhaps over tensioning is partly to blame for
cables loosening or stretching. I think that Certified aircraft cable
tension are a bit high for the structures seen in LSA aircraft.
I'd recommend you stick with cable or whatever the plans call for.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
John REINKING wrote:
>
> Howdy, group
> I've been reading about using pushrods instead of cables for operating
> the aelerons. Will some of you with more experience than this novice
> mind discussing the pros and cons of pushrods v. cable in this
> application.
> Am curious if the added weight of the pushrods would be a better
> longterm replacement for the normal stretching of control cables in
> this application.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
Sorry Bill, but I disagree with you.- If I want this type of "humor" I wi
ll subscribe to it.- I don't expect it, nor want it when I'm trying to le
arn something about the product I'm building.- Oh I DO have a sense of hu
mor....just not this type and ESPECIALLY-on here.-
-
Regards
-
Larry H
-
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- On Sun, 8/10/08, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com> wrote:
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
Juan, I really enjoyed this post. It has everything. It really raised my Su
nday morning blahs. Keep it up and everybody will be as happy as you are. B
est regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
Craig, how in the world am I supposed to guess how many people WOULD
survive anything? That's impossible. I can send you a whole list of
people who claim to have been saved, but that proves NOTHING and
guessing that this or that may have, might have, could have, is not the
way the NTSB operates so I'm guessing that if I read every report they
ever published I will never read a recommendation that installation of a
BRS would have changed the result.
Following the type of reasoning you've proposed, ask yourself how many
incidents might have been prevented if only the builder had installed a
1000 lb lead block under his seat.
As I said, I'm in favor under certain rare circumstances.
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Try looking at it this way: read through the NTSB reports of fatal
accidents. Then ask yourself how many of those people would have
survived if they had had a BRS.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
No Juan, I'm just not over your LAST off color joke.- I thought you would
have realized that most guys on here want to keep this forum as "clean" as
they can with IMPORTANT information is all.- If I want the humor, I will
subscribe to it someplace else.- You might want to ask Matt D for a spec
ial forum for your jokes......I promise I won't subscribe to it.
-
Larry
--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
<amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Larry,
i am sorry you took this Joke personally, I think I hit a sore subject?
Juan
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| Subject: | Re: Tool sharing -- aircraft cable tension meter |
Larry,
It's probably easier to make one and check the calibration yourself.
It's needed for annuals anyway. I built one that
is real simple and have used it off and on for 4 years. I've made a few
too and sent them, but shipping one
constantly would seem to be more trouble than making one.
See link, http://www.macsmachine.com/html/tjhcabletools.htm
It's not too difficult to make. Use .060 aluminum, a light spring,
plastic cable pulley wheels. Arrange the wheels so that the pivot
is positioned to put the bottom of the center pulley is aligned with
the top of the outside pulleys when the spring is slightly tensioned
and calibrate with actual weights, then mark the loads in pounds, 10,
15, 20, 25 etc.
I believe I have a drawing on this thing somewhere and will post it if I
can.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
lwinger wrote:
>
> With the importance of properly tensioned control cables, would there be any
interest in a "floating" aircraft cable tension meter? The expense of nearly $800
makes it hard to justify for one builder with one plane.
>
> It seems like two options could work.
>
> Option A: Shared purchase/unlimited future use for the cost of one-way shipping
to the next user (by a group of at least 16 builders chipping in $50)
> Option B: Rental at $xx (plus one-way shipping to the next user) with one builder
buying and owning the unit.
>
> Any interest out there? If so, please reply with the option that you might be
interested in. If I get at least 16 "Option A" responses, I'll pick one up ASAP.
>
> BTW, I know there are other ways to calibrate our cables. This is just to investigate
how to make a purpose-built quality tool available to the broader group.
I've attached the instructions for the Tensitron ACM-100 from Aircraft Spruce.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Larry Winger
> Tustin, CA
> Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
> Control surfaces and wings complete
> Fuselage 50%
> www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 650 and BSR chute |
Why is it impossible? For example if the report says that the plane lost
power and impacted terrain then if the pilot had had a chute and pulled it
they would have hit the ground with a much lower velocity (roughly that of
jumping off an 8 foot ladder). Pilots routinely walk away from landings
under a whole-plane canopy.
I've read through the reports on the BRS site and the NTSB site of the cases
where a chute was deployed. To say that the pilot should have just flown the
plane in most cases is unrealistic.
For the record I am not installing a BRS on my XL because it greatly reduces
the utility of the plane in my configuration (Jabiru 3300). But it makes the
planes that were designed with a chute in mind more attractive.
As I said at the start of this thread this is not an argument that will ever
be settled. So this will be my last post on the subject. If you would like
to have the last word feel free.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Craig, how in the world am I supposed to guess how many people WOULD survive
anything? That's impossible. I can send you a whole list of people who claim
to have been saved, but that proves NOTHING and guessing that this or that
may have, might have, could have, is not the way the NTSB operates so I'm
guessing that if I read every report they ever published I will never read a
recommendation that installation of a BRS would have changed the result.
Following the type of reasoning you've proposed, ask yourself how many
incidents might have been prevented if only the builder had installed a 1000
lb lead block under his seat.
As I said, I'm in favor under certain rare circumstances.
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne <mailto:craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Try looking at it this way: read through the NTSB reports of fatal
accidents. Then ask yourself how many of those people would have survived if
they had had a BRS.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
Cessna seems to like BRS. 213 people love BRS.
Life insurance companies sell policies. They hope you never need their
services....
S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Craig, how in the world am I supposed to guess how many people WOULD
survive anything? That's impossible. I can send you a whole list of
people who claim to have been saved, but that proves NOTHING and
guessing that this or that may have, might have, could have, is not the
way the NTSB operates so I'm guessing that if I read every report they
ever published I will never read a recommendation that installation of a
BRS would have changed the result.
Following the type of reasoning you've proposed, ask yourself how many
incidents might have been prevented if only the builder had installed a
1000 lb lead block under his seat.
As I said, I'm in favor under certain rare circumstances.
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Try looking at it this way: read through the NTSB reports of fatal
accidents. Then ask yourself how many of those people would have
survived if they had had a BRS.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 650 and BSR chute |
It shouldn't even BE an argument. I'll accept that it may be if you
insist that you are engaged in one. I made (in humor) a simple
observation, I hoped the more mature audience would have smiled and
walked away. I never imagined I would have been accused of saying they
were a bad idea.
If the report says the aircraft lost power and impacted the terrain,
that is all it says, and anything else you add to it is simply
guesswork. My neighbors young son fell off his tricycle and nearly died
of head injuries and people die all the time falling from 8 feet, it
means nothing in terms of aircraft incidents. If you want to actually
have a discussion about it bring some facts, not idle speculation and
imagined scenarios. I agree that if an aircraft is actually designed to
incorporate one, it may be an attractive option. How many is that?
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 650 and BSR chute
Why is it impossible? For example if the report says that the plane
lost power and impacted terrain then if the pilot had had a chute and
pulled it they would have hit the ground with a much lower velocity
(roughly that of jumping off an 8 foot ladder). Pilots routinely walk
away from landings under a whole-plane canopy.
I've read through the reports on the BRS site and the NTSB site of the
cases where a chute was deployed. To say that the pilot should have just
flown the plane in most cases is unrealistic.
For the record I am not installing a BRS on my XL because it greatly
reduces the utility of the plane in my configuration (Jabiru 3300). But
it makes the planes that were designed with a chute in mind more
attractive.
As I said at the start of this thread this is not an argument that
will ever be settled. So this will be my last post on the subject. If
you would like to have the last word feel free.
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| Subject: | Yikes, I've sprung a leak! |
>My first thought re: mid skin pucker was to lap the side skins
over the mid skin. Larry Mac talked me out of it, because this is an
opportunity for water to enter the inner airframe.
Do not archive
Not been my experience. I first saw the side skins overlapping the skin
over the turtledeck on old 63R, the ZAC demonstrator of 1998 era. All
demonstrators since them that I have seen use same technique - a
technique that uses the tension of the .025 side skins to smooth out the
ballooning of this area.
As the demonstrators face a lot of outside exposure, I doubt if they
would follow such a procedure if it were a "hole in the bucket."
Are you planning on parking your 601 outside? Won't you have a canopy
cover? My Bruce's cover has this area well tucked in for the night.
Planning on painting? Paint will make a great seam sealer if your
workmanship is a bit sloppy here.
Larry, I have the greatest respect for your skills and workmanship, but
think most of us mortals might have a neater job in this area if the
side skins were outside.
Respectfully
Jeff Small HDS/3300
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| Subject: | Re: Tool sharing -- aircraft cable tension meter |
Larry, I had forgotten the details of your cable tension tool. Very ingenious.
Thanks for making those plans available.
I think I'll still hold the door open for other builders who might like to go the
other route. If there are no takers, no harm...no foul.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
Control surfaces and wings complete
Fuselage 50%
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | Re: 6k2-3 side fairings |
thanks Jay all received ok..
Hey I noticed you have the fiberglass air duct as well. Did you make the cutout
in the skin for the Naca duct as per the plans with straight lines, or did you
make it curved like a tear drop as per the fiberglass part?
Just wondering which is best for airflow.
Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
Larry,
cool your jets man, your not building a Concord. If you don't like em, there is
that button to your right, says delete.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 10, 2008 1:39 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>
>Sorry Bill, but I disagree with you. If I want this type of "humor" I will subscribe
to it. I don't expect it, nor want it when I'm trying to learn something
about the product I'm building. Oh I DO have a sense of humor....just not this
type and ESPECIALLYon here.
>
>Regards
>
>Larry H
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>--- On Sun, 8/10/08, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com> wrote:
>
>From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 8:06 AM
>
>
>Juan, I really enjoyed this post. It has everything. It really raised my Sunday
morning blahs. Keep it up and everybody will be as happy as you are. Best regards,
Bill of Georgia
>
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| Subject: | Re: 6k2-3 side fairings |
Chris,
I think I plotted the straight lines, radiused the inside corners about
1/4" and just slightly rounded the outside corners. I only did the
rounding to prevent cracks and/or stress risers. I know the published
requirements for NACA ducts are pretty specific and highly technical.
I would take a lot more care if I thought I might be going supersonic.
However....
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 5:29 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 6k2-3 side fairings
<chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
thanks Jay all received ok..
Hey I noticed you have the fiberglass air duct as well. Did you make
the cutout
in the skin for the Naca duct as per the plans with straight lines, or
did you
make it curved like a tear drop as per the fiberglass part?
Just wondering which is best for airflow.
Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: A conversation on a plane |
No Juan I am NOT building a Concord but I AM building an aircraft that my w
ife's and my life will depend on.- Does that put it in a different perspe
ctive?-
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Forget it Juan.- It's time I drop off this list anyhow.- I've got other
, better things to do with my time than this.-
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Good luck with-your-aircraft and fly safe.
-
Regards,
Larry
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--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
<amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Larry,
cool your jets man, your not building a Concord. If you don't like em,
there is that button to your right, says delete.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 10, 2008 1:39 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>
>Sorry Bill, but I disagree with you.- If I want this type of
"humor" I will subscribe to it.- I don't expect it, nor want it
when I'm trying to learn something about the product I'm building.- Oh
I DO have a sense of humor....just not this type and ESPECIALLY-on here.
-
>-
>Regards
>-
>Larry H
>-
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>--- On Sun, 8/10/08, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
wrote:
>
>From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A conversation on a plane
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 8:06 AM
>
>
>Juan, I really enjoyed this post. It has everything. It really raised my
Sunday morning blahs. Keep it up and everybody will be as happy as you are.
Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | message for Neil Hulin |
Neil Please contact me off line. as I have lost your Email address
Chris Sinfield
Sydney
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| Subject: | Middle Balance Fairlead |
Hi All,
I'm working on finishing the rigging on my quickbuild 601XL and have a
problem with the middle balance fairlead. On my quickbuild it appears to be
mounted too high on its support such that the balance cable contacts the
right rudder cable where it passes under it.
Looking at the plans (6-b-22) it shows the balance cable some distance below
the rudder cable. I have looked at that page several times now and cant find
any details on how high the balance fairlead should be mounted above the
bottom skin.
Has anyone else encountered this issue or how high did you mount your
fairlead ?
Thanks,
John Davis
601XL QB & Jab 3300
Burnsville, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Middle Balance Fairlead |
I just ran a string from one side to the other where it exits the sides and
pushed it down enough to have good clearance to locate where to put my
fairlead. While were on this subject I have question. The cable that runs to
the
lower elevator control that passes through between the seats' the upper fairlead'
my cable rubs the lower part of the fairlead and the plans call for it to rub
the upper part of the fairlead the reason for offsetting the fairlead on the
hole drilled in the seat back to lower part of the hole. I cannot for the life
of me find where I went wrong. This is a dual stick set up. Has anybody else
had this happen? David
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| Subject: | First flight N601EX |
Hi List,
Yesterday, Saturday Aug. 10, at 1:08 PM , after 3 years and 4 months
N601EX took off uneventfully, climbed to about 2000 ft and spend about
an hour doing turns, slow flight, near stalls, climbs and descents and
returned for a very smooth landing. Needless to say I wasn't quite as
calm as the airplane was.
I want to thank everyone on the list, I didn't post that often but I
read the list almost everyday.
What was amazing was during each phase that I went through the list
subject was what I needed, especially DAR inspection, practical flight
test, first flight.
Thanks again,
David
601XL JAB3300
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N601EX |
Congratulations David.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N601EX |
Way to go, David. Sounds like plane and pilot did just great. Congratulations...and
don't forget to post a few pictures.
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Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
Control surfaces and wings complete
Fuselage 50%
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | confused 701 builder and flier at oshkosh |
> I just returned from Oshkosh last saturday. Well I was at the Zenith
> display area and I happened to see a fellow 701 builder and while we were
> discussing our projects, another 701 owner joined in and to our surprise
> the gentleman said that he and his partner had to fly their 701 with
> partial flaps down. What!!!! thats ridiculus I said. Didn't you ever know
> about a device on your tail known as a trim tab??? It was there on the
> 701 in the display area. we pointed it out to him. He said that they
> never put one on during the construction, didn't think they needed
> one. Well duh! there's your answer. And another thing that through me
> was that he only thought that a Rotax was the only engine that was built
> for the 701. That's the engine recomended, but he thought if he used an
> engine other than the Rotax it wouldn't fit the engine mounts. Well
> apperently he didn't know about weight and balance and moment arms.
> I just don't understand why some people didn't pay attention in ground
> school or maybe just too afraid to ask questions..Well that was my and
> my fellow 701 builder's highlight of the afternoon at the Zenith display
> area....I wonder if that guy is still using flaps on cruise...Hmmm
> Do not archive....Too embarrassing
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N601EX |
Congrats to you,,,,,,
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "David Brown" <dbrown@avecc.com> wrote:
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ffice:office" />
Yesterday, Saturday Aug. 10, at 1:08 PM , after 3 years and 4 months N60
1EX took off uneventfully, climbed to about 2000 ft and spend about an h
our doing turns, slow flight, near stalls, climbs and descents and retur
ned for a very smooth landing. Needless to say I wasn=92t quite as calm
as the airplane was.
I want to thank everyone on the list, I didn=92t post that often but I r
ead the list almost everyday.
What was amazing was during each phase that I went through the list subj
ect was what I needed, especially DAR inspection, practical flight test,
first flight.
Thanks again,
David
601XL JAB3300
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