---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/17/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:42 AM - Re: Jab 3300 airbox location (Juan Vega) 2. 07:05 AM - Re: Jab 3300 airbox location (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 3. 11:56 AM - Canopy Latch Warning Light (John Reinking) 4. 11:58 AM - Re: Crash (Clive Richards) 5. 12:32 PM - Re: Canopy Latch Warning Light (Leo Gates) 6. 12:38 PM - Re: Jab 3300 airbox location (rgeese) 7. 01:49 PM - Re: Jab 3300 airbox location (chris Sinfield) 8. 03:32 PM - New 601/650 Builders video from HomebuiltHELP (Jon Croke) 9. 03:52 PM - Panel done (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 10. 06:42 PM - Gas spring mounts? (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 11. 07:24 PM - One idea for retaining gas springs (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 12. 07:52 PM - Re: Gas spring mounts? (Paul Mulwitz) 13. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 airbox location (Juan Vega) 14. 08:13 PM - Re: Jab 3300 airbox location (rgeese) 15. 08:14 PM - Re: Canopy Latch Warning Light (Juan Vega) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:18 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 airbox location wait until the engine gets to your place then put the air box in its proper place. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: chris Sinfield >Sent: Aug 16, 2008 11:23 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 airbox location > > >Hi all >I am installing the Airbox onto the Zodiac XL firewall. Since I don't have a Jab3300 engine yet and the installation paperwork said to line up the air exit level with the inlet to the Bing Carb I have a problem. > >There are no firewall measurements in the paperwork to locate this airbox? I have the engine mount and can fit it between that on the RH side, but how far down from the horizontal stiffener? How exact does it have to be L/R up ?down from the carb? the DVD is not that clear on measurements. > >Pete Is this something that could be added to the 601 FWF paperwork > >Thanks >Chris. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199035#199035 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:55 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 airbox location I agree with Juan. This because you want to align the intake of the Bing carb level with the outlet of the air box. That way you have no weird curves in the hose. So you need to mount the engine before the airbox. Best of luck, Bill ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:19 AM PST US From: "John Reinking" Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch Warning Light Reading all the discussions regarding the latch release letting go in flight, what about something like this? Wondering if a simple electrical warning light system would help to warn the pilot if the, or if both, canopy latches were not properly latched? Something simple like a simple "deadman-type switch that would flash red on the panel when the latch is unlocked and green when the latch is properly closed. Comments appreciated guys. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:13 AM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crash Jay glad you are both ok We have latches as designed by the Late Ed Walanda which are spring loaded in a similar position to the new latches & easily visible so reclosing the canopy would not affect the latched side I believe the new latches are connected by a ridged bar will pulling the canopy closed not actually release the latched side ?. We must admit to actually leaving one side unlatched once having reopened the canopy & being distracted not rechecking but were able to reclose on reaching circuit height & reducing power. I wonder however how much the Gas strut pressure will affect the ability to reclose, ours at the time had lost pressure & we have just replaced. so will think out your idea to fit a safety strap. Clive do not archive Rays 601HD 233 Hrs 701 kit on order ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Crash > > OK, a few facts from the horses mouth: > > As most of you know, I have just completed a Zodiac CH 601XL (Lil > Bruiser). Both me and the insurance company wanted me to get at least an > hour in make and model before I solo my airplane. I discovered a new > service at McKinney Airport (TKI), for training and rental in a 601XLi. > This was a familiarization flight in a nearly new AMD built 601XLi. The > airplane originally had the old style canopy latches. The owner was not > satisfied with that mechanism and had the factory retrofit the new style > latches. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:42 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch Warning Light I lost the canopy in flight on my 601 HDS because, due to distraction, I forgot to engage the positive locks I had installed. No change in flight characteristics at all, just VERY windy. I have "closed the barn door" by installing two normally closed micro switches, that open when the latches are locked. Switches closed, latch not locked, they turn on a red annunciator light on my center console, "Canopy Not Locked." -- Leo Gates N601Z - CH601HDS TDO Rotax 912UL John Reinking wrote: > Reading all the discussions regarding the latch release letting go in > flight, what about something like this? > > Wondering if a simple electrical warning light system would help to > warn the pilot if the, or if both, canopy latches were not properly > latched? Something simple like a simple "deadman-type switch that > would flash red on the panel when the latch is unlocked and green when > the latch is properly closed. > > Comments appreciated guys. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab 3300 airbox location From: "rgeese" I just finished mounting my airbox. I had the Jab 3300 installed at the time, but I can tell you that the location is pretty well determined. Vertically, mine is as close to the horizontal stiffener as possible. Remember that the control cable has to come through just below the stiffener, keeping the cable as close to the stiffener as possible. Horizontally, the bottom right (facing the firewall) flange of the airbox overlapped the diagonal stiffener about 1/2 inch or less, which I cut off. I am using the 2-1/4" radiator 90 angle hose that was suggested a while back. Everything didn't line up perfectly between the carb an box, but really close. It was as close as I could get it. I'm very happy with the way everything looks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199115#199115 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab 3300 airbox location From: "chris Sinfield" Was that the fiberglass 90 deg piece?? Chris Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199124#199124 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:12 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: New 601/650 Builders video from HomebuiltHELP We are ready for delivery of another volume for the Building your 601XL/CH650 series Fuselage Part 3 (601XL style canopy) for photos and info see: http://homebuilthelp.com/CH601XL/fuselage3.htm In this, the last part of the fuselage series, we demonstrate the building of the canopy, from start to finish. I am extra proud of this particular production as I had the expertise of Gus Warren to tap for this slightly challenging part of the aircraft construction. I think you will find that the sequence of building steps he demonstrates becomes one the more useful aspects of watching before you build. Gus has built probably more canopies for this plane than any other person. He does this professionally, and his website can be found at www.FlywithGus.com We plan to offer an alternate build video for Fuselage Part 3 when the CH650 canopy is in production shipment, so that you can choose the appropriate video title for your project. Also, we plan a canopy retrofit video, as soon as this is feasible. The Wings and Horizontal Tail volumes will be out shortly (weeks) to wrap up the majority of the 601/CH650 build collection. Thank you for your patience! Jon ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:42 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Panel done Just finished cutting my panel... now time to start wiring it. _http://www.project601xl.com/Panel.html_ (http://www.project601xl.com/Panel.html) Jeff **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:53 PM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: Gas spring mounts? Gang: I have had some trouble trying to drill the 1/16" holes in the 5/16" steel mounting pins for the canopy gas springs. On the first one I tried, with a brand new 1/16" bit, using lubricant and clearing the hole regularly, the bit broke off about 2/3 of the way through and could not be extracted. Not good. IMHO, it would have been a lot smarter to drill the pins before welding the parts, but they came from the factory solid. Before I completely screw up both my factory-assembled canopy frame and the factory-installed fuselage mounts, I would like to get some ideas from successful drillers as to how they managed it. My current thought is to go up quite a few drill sizes, maybe all the way to #40, and use a larger cotter pin. Are there other good ways to secure the gas springs on the pins? Thanks, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (registered) 601XL/TD, Corvair, finishing... ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:24 PM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: One idea for retaining gas springs I found 5/16" split collars at McMaster-Carr that seem like they ought to work for retaining the gas spring ends. Mc-C is at www.mcmaster.com and the product number is 9961K14. Any comments?? Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (registered) 601XL/TD, Corvair, finishing... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:37 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gas spring mounts? Hi Andy, I think going to a 3/32 hole and cotter pin would be no problem. That still leaves the issue of removing the remaining drill bit point. Your local hardware store probably has lots of special tools and good advice about how to remove the stuck drill. There are several kinds of drills you can use for making the required holes. A "High Speed" steel bit will be less likely to break than a cobalt drill, but it won't hold its edge as long. Good luck, Paul XL getting close do not archive At 06:41 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote: >Gang: > >I have had some trouble trying to drill the 1/16" holes in the 5/16" >steel mounting pins for the canopy gas springs. On the first one I >tried, with a brand new 1/16" bit, using lubricant and clearing the >hole regularly, the bit broke off about 2/3 of the way through and >could not be extracted. Not good. IMHO, it would have been a lot >smarter to drill the pins before welding the parts, but they came >from the factory solid. > >Before I completely screw up both my factory-assembled canopy frame >and the factory-installed fuselage mounts, I would like to get some >ideas from successful drillers as to how they managed it. > >My current thought is to go up quite a few drill sizes, maybe all >the way to #40, and use a larger cotter pin. > >Are there other good ways to secure the gas springs on the pins? > >Thanks, >Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >N601GE (registered) >601XL/TD, Corvair, finishing... > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:36 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Jab 3300 airbox location do what you want, keep in mind that the airbox is not predetermined as there are two different versions of airboxes floating out there, and the distance to the carb is different on both. Keep the excitement in your pants and wait for the engine to show up , then put it on, but then again do what you want, its your kit, and your money. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: rgeese >Sent: Aug 17, 2008 3:38 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab 3300 airbox location > > >I just finished mounting my airbox. I had the Jab 3300 installed at the time, but I can tell you that the location is pretty well determined. Vertically, mine is as close to the horizontal stiffener as possible. Remember that the control cable has to come through just below the stiffener, keeping the cable as close to the stiffener as possible. Horizontally, the bottom right (facing the firewall) flange of the airbox overlapped the diagonal stiffener about 1/2 inch or less, which I cut off. I am using the 2-1/4" radiator 90 angle hose that was suggested a while back. Everything didn't line up perfectly between the carb an box, but really close. It was as close as I could get it. I'm very happy with the way everything looks. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199115#199115 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:55 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab 3300 airbox location From: "rgeese" No, it is a black rubber 2-1/4" 90 degree elbow. Check it out here: www.intakehoses.com CODE: 90L225 Someone on the forum suggested this a couple of years ago to eliminate the turbulence that SCAT tube can cause. The only problem with it is that the intake on the carb is a tad smaller than 2-1/4". I solved this by rubber cementing a little strip from an old truck tire inner tube that I had laying around inside to lessen the diameter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199201#199201 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:03 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch Warning Light how about just checking the canopy before you take off while holding short, they pretty much fail if not latched prior to take of, if properly built. Another gismo to play with, but we are not building 747s. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: John Reinking >Sent: Aug 17, 2008 2:54 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch Warning Light > >Reading all the discussions regarding the latch release letting go in flight, what about something like this? > >Wondering if a simple electrical warning light system would help to warn the pilot if the, or if both, canopy latches were not properly latched? Something simple like a simple "deadman-type switch that would flash red on the panel when the latch is unlocked and green when the latch is properly closed. > >Comments appreciated guys. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.