---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/25/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:21 AM - Re: Accident (petrdworak) 2. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: Accident (Jay Maynard) 3. 06:37 AM - Re: Accident (petrdworak) 4. 06:43 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 5. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Accident (Jay Maynard) 6. 09:56 AM - Re: fuel system question (Clive Richards) 7. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Accident (LarryMcFarland) 8. 11:44 AM - Re: Glare shield coverings () 9. 12:22 PM - Re: Glare shield coverings (Rick Lindstrom) 10. 02:58 PM - Re: Glare shield coverings (Craig Payne) 11. 06:50 PM - Sight gage (Bill Naumuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Accident From: "petrdworak" More info regarding CriCri and role of Chris Heintz in the CriCri history is in a following document: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oIKySAi4u7Sf6nBMT2IsZ-Mvy9IFzZWZM2UpoJFs709FfOm4hXey2J6zxofTB4h-TMvQa2D92tklZ6fAsMjBez-e_XXMMoQ/7%20CriCri%20Basics/7%20%20CriCri%20%20basics.doc Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0379#200379 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:29 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Accident On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 03:19:30AM -0700, petrdworak wrote: > More info regarding CriCri and role of Chris Heintz in the CriCri history > is in a following document: > http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oIKySAi4u7Sf6nBMT2IsZ-Mvy9IFzZWZM2UpoJFs709FfOm4hXey2J6zxofTB4h-TMvQa2D92tklZ6fAsMjBez-e_XXMMoQ/7%20CriCri%20Basics/7%20%20CriCri%20%20basics.doc Not only did your link turn out to be three lines long (hint: tinyurl.com), but it was 404-compliant. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Accident From: "petrdworak" Sorry, probably there is not possible to link the files from the yahoo groups. So I attached the doc to this post. The original is available on the CriCri yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CriCri/ under "Files" section (needed free registration to access). Petr Dworak Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0407#200407 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_cricri_basics_439.doc ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:40 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George CH-701 - N73EX - IT FLYS! Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:34 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Accident On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 06:36:24AM -0700, petrdworak wrote: > Sorry, probably there is not possible to link the files from the yahoo > groups. So I attached the doc to this post. The original is available on > the CriCri yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CriCri/ under > "Files" section (needed free registration to access). "Michel was approached by Chris Heintz (of notorious Zenair)"... Nice unbiased reporting there. The rest of the document is in the same vein. Nothing there we haven't been told before. You've only posted in this thread, on this subject. I wonder what axe you have to grind. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:55 AM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel system question Dick This is the original crude gascolator supplied with the kit we used this as a water trap on the cockpit floor from wing tanks before pumping fuel up to our header tank & use a aircraft type gascolator (Aircraft Spruce ? P/N 10550 which contains a fine filter above the sedement bowl on the low point from header tank. PS if you use this with Mogas you need to buy a viton gasket & change original) You donot say if you are using a header tank or have a engine fuel pump we have a facet 40106 in parallel with our continental 0 -200 engine pump, some have placed this as a booster pump in series. If you are using the wing tanks only some have placed a facet pump at the tank outlet in each wing check the archives The original zenith drawing showed the fuel runing from each wing tank via an individual isolating valve to eitherside of your aluminum box gascolator which was bolted to cockpit floor with a drain valve from bottom hole through floor. & the other outlet as an input to an electric fuel pump to engine or header tank.. We had to fit a tank selector switch for our UK inspector you will probably not have too in US donot archive Clive G CBDG 230 Hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick" Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Zenith-List: fuel system question > > In trying to complete an older 601 project, where can a schematic or flow > diagram be found for the wing tanks, fuel pump and that funny looking > rectangular gascolator with a total of 4 tapped holes?? I'm confused and > not making much headway helping my buddy. Thanks. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:04 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Accident Hi petr, The article written was very interesting, but one must realize the authors of that piece may have slightly exaggerated the position and weight of details regarding Chris Heinz involvement in the "Cri Cri". I've seen the aircraft and it's size and design would puts it in a very high-risk category to begin with. What ever actual agreements were made between CH and the original designer, we'll never really know as we weren't there. Design flaws attributed to CH would also be questioned because there is no substantive history on who actually made the questionable changes or if they were actually within CH's perview. It's easy to smear a persons name with the envy or jealousy that the author conveys, but the character of the Chris Heinz I know, isn't anywhere near as "casual" about actual proper design or his personal and business relationships. He and his family have earned the complete trust of a lot of people including myself, by the careful practice and total dedication to doing the right thing. This 3rd party article should not have been submitted, but it does serve to point out that there are people who cannot cope with Zenith's extraordinary success. I still celebrate what Chris and his family for what they've done for all of us and wish them the best. Thank you for the article, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com petrdworak wrote: > > Sorry, probably there is not possible to link the files from the yahoo groups. So I attached the doc to this post. The original is available on the CriCri yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CriCri/ under "Files" section (needed free registration to access). > > Petr Dworak > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_cricri_basics_439.doc > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:55 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Glare shield coverings Cessna used to (may still) use a sheet of black leather-like vinyl glued on top of the instrument panel. I had to replace it on my '75 172M in 1997. Probably would have lasted longer if the previous owner and I had used Armorall once in a while. Paul Rodriguez 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:12 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Glare shield coverings > So what have people covered their glare shields (forward skin under the windscreen) with? I'd like something tougher than paint but that will stand up in the sun. But not something with a nap like carpet that will be hard to clean. One recommendation was auto rock guard paint. I'd cover it in thin vinyl or plastic if I could count on it lasting. I'm going to experiment on a piece of test metal with black Plasti-dip (the stuff used to coat handles on tools). I don't think it should make a difference but this is on a 701. Other suggestions? -- Craig http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:37 PM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Glare shield coverings Hi, Craig and Paul. I've used black Cordura nylon fabric (with pretty good results) over the metal panels on the Grumman Tiger. It tends to shrink a bit in the heat from sunlight, so it's nice and taut whenever it sees sun. In these installations, however, it's wrapped and glued under the edges of the aluminum sheet metal, so it's not real obvious to me how it would work with a 701 if it's not tucked under the edges. Rick Lindstrom N42KP -----Original Message----- >From: paulrod36@msn.com >Sent: Aug 25, 2008 11:44 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Glare shield coverings > >Cessna used to (may still) use a sheet of black leather-like vinyl glued on top of the instrument panel. I had to replace it on my '75 172M in 1997. Probably would have lasted longer if the previous owner and I had used Armorall once in a while. > >Paul Rodriguez >601XL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Payne > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:12 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Glare shield coverings > > > > So what have people covered their glare shields (forward skin under the > windscreen) with? I'd like something tougher than paint but that will stand > up in the sun. But not something with a nap like carpet that will be hard to > clean. One recommendation was auto rock guard paint. I'd cover it in thin > vinyl or plastic if I could count on it lasting. I'm going to experiment on > a piece of test metal with black Plasti-dip (the stuff used to coat handles > on tools). I don't think it should make a difference but this is on a 701. > Other suggestions? > > -- Craig > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:57 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Glare shield coverings While researching this I came across a little bit of information about adhesives from an RV-8 builder. He covered his glare shield with vinyl leatherette: http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/article.php?story=Glare_shield_2 "I spent quite a bit of time working on the glare shield. I agonized over how to glue the vinyl covering to the aluminum glare shield. Many people use a spray-on adhesive, so I purchased a can of 3M 77 adhesive and did a test on some scrap. It seemed to work well, but you had to be quite quick to get the vinyl in place after spraying the adhesive, and I was not too happy about the risk of over-spray. I searched the RV-List archives, and found one person that used rubber cement, so I tried that on some more scrap. It was not compatible with the vinyl - the vinyl puckered up and did not lay flat. I looked at the dozens of different adhesives at a local craft store, and found a tube of Goop adhesive that claimed to have all the right properties - sticks to vinyl and aluminum, and withstands fairly high temperatures. I did a test on some scrap, and it did a good job. The glare shield turned out very nice. I put a small bead of Goop around the edges, as there didn't seem to be any point to trying to glue down the whole surface. For the hole where the defrost fan is, I left some extra material and wrapped it around the edge of the hole and glued it to the bottom of the glare shield." -- Craig ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:19 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Sight gage Anyone- How do you plumb a small header tank so that you can have a "Sight gage" fuel indicator? Locker tanks outboard and cental fuel pumps. do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. 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