---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/29/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:33 AM - Antennas Where are you mounting them? (lwhitlow) 2. 06:54 AM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Jay Maynard) 3. 07:17 AM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Dirk Zahtilla) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Terry Phillips) 5. 07:33 AM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 08:10 AM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Paul Mulwitz) 7. 09:05 AM - CZAW Canopy (David Johnson) 8. 09:22 AM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Bryan Martin) 9. 09:34 AM - Re: CZAW Canopy (Gig Giacona) 10. 01:21 PM - 601/650 WING Construction DVD (Jon Croke) 11. 01:33 PM - Re: 601/650 WING Construction DVD (Gig Giacona) 12. 03:35 PM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Bill Naumuk) 13. 04:43 PM - Re: CZAW Canopy (Lawrence Webber) 14. 04:52 PM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Paul Mulwitz) 15. 04:56 PM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Bryan Martin) 16. 06:33 PM - Re: Antennas Where are you mounting them? (Juan Vega) 17. 07:03 PM - Idaho accident (George Swinford) 18. 07:09 PM - Hayden Lake crash (George Swinford) 19. 07:24 PM - Re: Idaho accident (Paul Mulwitz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? From: "lwhitlow" All I'm ordering electronics and have a couple of questions On the 601XL... Where is everybody mounting the NAV antenna? Where did you get it from? Where is everybody mounting the COM antenna Where did you get it from? Where is everybody mounting the XPONDER antenna. Where did you get it from? Where is everybody going to lunch? :D Gotcha just wanted to see if you were paying attention! Thanks in advance Larry 85% done with 71% to go Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1413#201413 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:39 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 06:30:55AM -0700, lwhitlow wrote: > Where is everybody mounting the NAV antenna? Where did you get it from? AMD gets their antennas from Comant. The NAV antenna is a CI 158, mounted on the belly just in front of the rudder cables; the two COM antennas are CI 122s, mounted on the belly just forward of the rear spar; the transponder antenna is a CI 101, mounted on the right side of the belly just aft of the front spar; and there's a CI 177 VHF-FM antenna mounted to the center of the turtledeck just aft of the rear baggage compartment bulkhead. The ELT antenna is about a foot aft of the tip of the CI 177, with the OAT probe in between. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:53 AM PST US From: "Dirk Zahtilla" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? my 2 cents , look at certificated planes for ideas but a fiberglass com antenna eats up over 1 hp so go with stainless (spruce) and it's cheaper too and I plan to put it inside the rear of the canopy if it will fit and work there, XPONDER antenna. bottom, near the unit to keep cable length short as possible. It's only about 1 1/2" long so no big deal. NAV antenna bottom is good if you are not landing on rough stuff where it could get damaged otherwise as clear of obstructions as possible, turtle deck or top of vert stab. Lunch is in Reno today, I'm helping a friend move. Z > On the 601XL... > > Where is everybody mounting the NAV antenna? Where did you get it from? > > Where is everybody mounting the COM antenna Where did you get it from? > > Where is everybody mounting the XPONDER antenna. Where did you get it > from? > > Where is everybody going to lunch? :D Gotcha just wanted to see if you > were paying attention! > > Thanks in advance > > Larry > 85% done with 71% to go > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1413#201413 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:42 AM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? Good subject, Larry. I was planning to mount my COM on the top of the rudder. I read somewhere that the top of the rudder was a great spot for RV antennas, and it made sense to me for my 601XL. I bought an AV534L antenna from Pacific Coast Avionics. It was the the only antenna I found whose base looked to be small enough to fit on the top of the 601XL rudder. Then, my EAA tech counselor advised me to mount it on the bottom of the fuselage. He said that it would be a shame to disturb the smooth air flow on the top of the A/C and incur the resultant drag. Since the airflow is pretty turbulent under the A/C, the disturbance from the antenna would be less significant. I'd love to hear if others have mounted their antenna on top of the rudder. I've no plans on a NAV antenna. Terry At 06:30 AM 8/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: >All > >I'm ordering electronics and have a couple of questions > >On the 601XL... > >Where is everybody mounting the NAV antenna? Where did you get it from? > >Where is everybody mounting the COM antenna Where did you get it from? > >Where is everybody mounting the XPONDER antenna. Where did you get it from? > >Where is everybody going to lunch? :D Gotcha just wanted to see if you >were paying attention! > >Thanks in advance > >Larry >85% done with 71% to go Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? From: jaybannist@cs.com Larry, I've attached a photo showing where my ELT, comm & GPS antennae are mounted. The transponder antenna is mounted in the floor just ahead of the wing spar center section. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: lwhitlow Sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 8:30 am Subject: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? All I'm ordering electronics and have a couple of questions On the 601XL... Where is everybody mounting the NAV antenna? Where did you get it from? Where is everybody mounting the COM antenna Where did you get it from? Where is everybody mounting the XPONDER antenna. Where did you get it from? Where is everybody going to lunch? :D Gotcha just wanted to see if you were paying attention! Thanks in advance Larry 85% done with 71% to go ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:46 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? What vertical stabilizer? Paul do not archive At 07:16 AM 8/29/2008, you wrote: >NAV antenna bottom is good if you are not landing on rough stuff >where it could get damaged otherwise as clear of obstructions as >possible, turtle deck or top of vert stab. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:53 AM PST US From: "David Johnson" Subject: Zenith-List: CZAW Canopy I'm tearing what's left of my hair out! Has anyone out there successfully installed the CZAW canopy on the CH601XL? I believe it's a bit different from the one from Zenith, particularly forward of the instrument panel. How does the forward side flashing (6C4-3CZ) fit at the front? The drawing 6-C-3CZ shows it overlapping the top forward skin at the top, but the front of it going behind the top skin when the canopy is opened. Any photos would be particularly helpful! Dave Johnson 601XL Jab. 3300, almost done (except for that #*!@* canopy) do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:07 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? I've got one com antenna mounted on the belly under the right seat and one mounted on top of the fuselage just forward of the baggage compartment bulkhead. I bought them both on eBay. My transponder antenna is mounted on the belly under the left seat, it's a TED antenna I bought from Aircraft Spruce. I have a home made nav antenna mounted on the top of the rudder. I also have a GPS antenna mounted on the top of the fuselage near the front end of the turtledeck inside the canopy. My ELT antenna is mounted on the right side of the baggage compartment so that it sticks up behind the right seat and under the canopy. On Aug 29, 2008, at 9:30 AM, lwhitlow wrote: > > All > > I'm ordering electronics and have a couple of questions > > On the 601XL... > > Where is everybody mounting the NAV antenna? Where did you get it > from? > > Where is everybody mounting the COM antenna Where did you get it from? > > Where is everybody mounting the XPONDER antenna. Where did you get > it from? > > Where is everybody going to lunch? :D Gotcha just wanted to see > if you were paying attention! > > Thanks in advance > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:48 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CZAW Canopy From: "Gig Giacona" You might need to trim/file the fuselage top skins back a little. I did with the Zenith version. I don't think I have it right yet but since I'm still taking off the top skin regularly I haven't finalized that yet. Also the Zenith design has nylon spacer in there. Does the CZAW? If not that might help some. Have I mentioned I HATE the canopy construct part of the 601XL? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1456#201456 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:06 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: 601/650 WING Construction DVD Now, it is ready! The 601XL / CH650 WING construction double DVD video volume from HomebuiltHELP is now being shipped. Info is available at: http://www.homebuilthelp.com/CH601XL/601Wing.htm That's just about the complete set now finished for the 601/650. We hope to get a final volume covering the rigging of the control cables, wings, wires, etc out in a few months or so. Looking forward to seeing ALL of you at the Zenith Fly-in, in just a couple weeks... will have a table there.. stop by and say hello! Visit: http://zenithair.com/news/oh2008.html Jon ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601/650 WING Construction DVD From: "Gig Giacona" Jon(at)joncroke.com wrote: > We hope to get a final volume covering the rigging of the control cables, wings, wires, etc out in a few months or so. Of course you will and you will release it the day after I have finished rigging the control cables. I'll try to hurry up and do it so you can get the DVD out for everyone else. :D DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1490#201490 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:52 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? All- Question on the antennas. I have an exterior antenna that came with the ELT I bought on E-bay. Is it really going to make much difference speed-wise if I buy one of the fuselage-internal types? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Martin" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? > > I've got one com antenna mounted on the belly under the right seat and > one mounted on top of the fuselage just forward of the baggage > compartment bulkhead. I bought them both on eBay. My transponder antenna > is mounted on the belly under the left seat, it's a TED antenna I bought > from Aircraft Spruce. I have a home made nav antenna mounted on the top > of the rudder. I also have a GPS antenna mounted on the top of the > fuselage near the front end of the turtledeck inside the canopy. My ELT > antenna is mounted on the right side of the baggage compartment so that > it sticks up behind the right seat and under the canopy. > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 9:30 AM, lwhitlow wrote: > >> >> All >> >> I'm ordering electronics and have a couple of questions >> >> On the 601XL... >> >> Where is everybody mounting the NAV antenna? Where did you get it from? >> >> Where is everybody mounting the COM antenna Where did you get it from? >> >> Where is everybody mounting the XPONDER antenna. Where did you get it >> from? >> >> Where is everybody going to lunch? :D Gotcha just wanted to see if >> you were paying attention! >> >> Thanks in advance >> > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. > do not archive. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:06 PM PST US From: Lawrence Webber Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CZAW Canopy Welcome to the #@%^%^&%&%^ canopy club Larry From: david_a_g_johnson@btinternet.comTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: CZAW CanopyDate: Fri=2C 29 Aug 2008 17:04:17 +0100 I'm tearing what's left of my hair out! Has anyone out there successfully i nstalled the CZAW canopy on the CH601XL? I believe it's a bit different from the one from Zenith=2C particularly for ward of the instrument panel. How does the forward side flashing (6C4-3CZ) fit at the front? The drawing 6-C-3CZ shows it overlapping the top forward skin at the top=2C but the fro nt of it going behind the top skin when the canopy is opened. Any photos would be particularly helpful! Dave Johnson 601XL Jab. 3300=2C almost done (except for that #*!@* canopy) do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be=97learn how to burn a DVD with Win dows=AE. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:00 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? Hi Bill, I don't think your ELT will work very well with an internal antenna. Your metal airplane will shield the radio waves from the antenna and defeat the purpose. I'm afraid antennas designed for internal mounting only work with non-metal airplanes. Paul XL nearly done retarded (oops, I mean retired) electrical engineer At 03:33 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote: >All- > Question on the antennas. I have an exterior antenna that came > with the ELT I bought on E-bay. Is it really going to make much > difference speed-wise if I buy one of the fuselage-internal types? > Bill ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:04 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? Probably not. You can't really mount one inside the fuselage anyway, the aluminum skins will block the signal from getting out. I have my ELT whip mounted so that it is inside the canopy but not blocked by the aluminum skin. It's mounted to the right side front corner of the baggage area and sticks up behind the right seat and it's bent to follow the curve of the canopy. I mounted it there because the ELT is mounted right next to it on the baggage shelf and it was simple to run a short cable to the antenna and I didn't want to drill another hole in the skin. On Aug 29, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote: > > All- > Question on the antennas. I have an exterior antenna that came > with the ELT I bought on E-bay. Is it really going to make much > difference speed-wise if I buy one of the fuselage-internal types? > Bill -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:53 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? Comm and transponder antennas shopuld be on the bottom of the aircraft as they will be recieving when up in the air. Either way is fine as long as the antennas are not close to each other you can pretty much put them where ever it pleases you, Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Terry Phillips >Sent: Aug 29, 2008 10:13 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Antennas Where are you mounting them? > > >Good subject, Larry. I was planning to mount my COM on the top of the >rudder. I read somewhere that the top of the rudder was a great spot for RV >antennas, and it made sense to me for my 601XL. I bought an AV534L antenna >from Pacific Coast Avionics. It was the the only antenna I found whose base >looked to be small enough to fit on the top of the 601XL rudder. > >Then, my EAA tech counselor advised me to mount it on the bottom of the >fuselage. He said that it would be a shame to disturb the smooth air flow >on the top of the A/C and incur the resultant drag. Since the airflow is >pretty turbulent under the A/C, the disturbance from the antenna would be >less significant. I'd love to hear if others have mounted their antenna on >top of the rudder. > >I've no plans on a NAV antenna. > >Terry > >At 06:30 AM 8/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: >>All >> >>I'm ordering electronics and have a couple of questions >> >>On the 601XL... >> >>Where is everybody mounting the NAV antenna? Where did you get it from? >> >>Where is everybody mounting the COM antenna Where did you get it from? >> >>Where is everybody mounting the XPONDER antenna. Where did you get it from? >> >>Where is everybody going to lunch? :D Gotcha just wanted to see if you >>were paying attention! >> >>Thanks in advance >> >>Larry >>85% done with 71% to go > > >Terry Phillips ZBAGer >ttp44~at~rkymtn.net >Corvallis MT >601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons >are done; working on the wings >http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:57 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Idaho accident Seattle KOMO News channel 4 reports that a Spokane man named Kenneth Lien was killed today in the crash of an experimental airplane near Hayden Lake ID. From a clear picture of the wreckage on Komo's web site, it appears to be a 601 HD, registration N9881T. Any information anyone? George Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:51 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Hayden Lake crash I should have checked the FAA registry. It was a 601XL. News reported the airplane flying low over an elementary school, engine sputtering, then the crash. There was no post-crash fire. Does anyone know what engine was installed? George Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:13 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Idaho accident A check of the FAA registry lists this as a Zodiac 601 XL. It is registered to Kenneth L Lien of Spokane, WA. The registry does not show any airworthiness certificate. At 07:02 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote: >Seattle KOMO News channel 4 reports that a Spokane man named Kenneth >Lien was killed today in the crash of an experimental airplane near >Hayden Lake ID. From a clear picture of the wreckage on Komo's web >site, it appears to be a 601 HD, registration N9881T. Any information anyone? > >George > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.