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1. 01:34 AM - Re: Accident (petrdworak)
2. 04:40 AM - Hook up wire (Ianrat)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: Hook up wire (LarryMcFarland)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Hook up wire (Juan Vega)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Hook up wire (Juan Vega)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Accident (Juan Vega)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: Ignition Noise Question - Thanks (George Race)
8. 11:48 AM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race)
9. 02:16 PM - Re: Hook up wire (Bryan Martin)
10. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Accident (Darrell Haas)
11. 04:49 PM - Re: Hayden Lake crash (Lee Steensland)
12. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Hayden Lake crash (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
13. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Hayden Lake crash (LarryMcFarland)
14. 09:11 PM - Re: Re: Hayden Lake crash (Roger & Lina Hill)
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[quote="ZodiacGermany"]When certifying aircraft in Germany, we have to do lot of
structural tests, lot more than other countries. Chris Heintz designs have been
flying here for many years with zero structural failures.
[/quote]
:-) We are speaking about the 601XL only. Strange theory: no structural failure
in Germany - it cannot happened.
[quote="ZodiacGermany"]This crazy guy that is talking of cri-cri. After doing research,
I cannot see anywhere Chris says it is his design. He built kits with
100% collaboration with French designer
[/quote]
Sorry, you haven't read careful enough. Zenith's modifications are listed in the
article. Also it is written there they were refused by Colomban...
[quote="ZodiacGermany"]
If flutter is cause for some accidents and all I have to do is make positive that
my Zodiac cables are good, that is very good news to all I think. This would
give best explanations for wing problem.
[/quote]
:-) Yes, loose cables can cause flutter problems. But they are many other possible
causes. Low torsional stiftness of the wing for example. But is is hard to
check using sand bags in so called "structural load tests" :-)
[quote="ZodiacGermany"]
For Zodiac, I cannot know anywhere that USA NTSB or other country has stated a
structural design problem. I would be very interested to see government report
about structure problem, but not interested in builder speculations, especially
from people who want to damage others. thank you.[/quote]
And what I am not interested in are calming advices from the people concerned in
the sale. They can be more dangerous...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1761#201761
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Trying to wire up my 601.
What gauge wire should I use on things like the fuel senders. I was considering
using 20G. I will be using 18G for things like lights that draw a bit of power.
Thank you.
Ianrat
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| Subject: | Re: Hook up wire |
Hello Ianrat,
The gage I used was predominantly 16G Tefzel for everything, with
exception to 22G for gages and panel lights.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Ianrat wrote:
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> Trying to wire up my 601.
>
> What gauge wire should I use on things like the fuel senders. I was considering
using 20G. I will be using 18G for things like lights that draw a bit of power.
>
> Thank you.
> Ianrat
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1769#201769
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| Subject: | Re: Hook up wire |
you will get humming from the alternator so use shielded plugs , plug wires, and
get a toriodal coil noise suppressor right to the back of the radio. The biggest
is grounding. check all your grounds, My lights turned on caused voltage
to course through the plane and I could hear it in the radio. once off the
noise went off.
juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2008 9:16 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hook up wire
>
>
>Hello Ianrat,
>The gage I used was predominantly 16G Tefzel for everything, with
>exception to 22G for gages and panel lights.
>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>do not archive
>
>Ianrat wrote:
>>
>> Trying to wire up my 601.
>>
>> What gauge wire should I use on things like the fuel senders. I was considering
using 20G. I will be using 18G for things like lights that draw a bit of power.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Ianrat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1769#201769
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| Subject: | Re: Hook up wire |
you will get humming from the alternator so use shielded plugs , plug wires, and
get a toriodal coil noise suppressor right to the back of the radio. The biggest
is grounding. check all your grounds, My lights turned on caused voltage
to course through the plane and I could hear it in the radio. once off the
noise went off.
juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2008 9:16 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hook up wire
>
>
>Hello Ianrat,
>The gage I used was predominantly 16G Tefzel for everything, with
>exception to 22G for gages and panel lights.
>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>do not archive
>
>Ianrat wrote:
>>
>> Trying to wire up my 601.
>>
>> What gauge wire should I use on things like the fuel senders. I was considering
using 20G. I will be using 18G for things like lights that draw a bit of power.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Ianrat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1769#201769
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Mr. Petroworak,
My advice to you is - Don't build the plane. DO us a favor and save your self
the money and the griping for some other project. Or sell your plane. PLease.
The argueent you are trying to make is a &^%#&$%# waste of time. You keep
at it and I am going to go Tourettes on this web site. THe german gentleman is
quite on the mark, you bitching has nothing to do with any arguements on the
601. Move on to another website dude.
Juan, 140 hours and no flutter.
-----Original Message-----
>From: petrdworak <petrdworak@seznam.cz>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2008 4:33 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Accident
>
>
>[quote="ZodiacGermany"]When certifying aircraft in Germany, we have to do lot
of structural tests, lot more than other countries. Chris Heintz designs have
been flying here for many years with zero structural failures.
>[/quote]
>:-) We are speaking about the 601XL only. Strange theory: no structural failure
in Germany - it cannot happened.
>
>[quote="ZodiacGermany"]This crazy guy that is talking of cri-cri. After doing
research, I cannot see anywhere Chris says it is his design. He built kits with
100% collaboration with French designer
>[/quote]
>Sorry, you haven't read careful enough. Zenith's modifications are listed in the
article. Also it is written there they were refused by Colomban...
>
>[quote="ZodiacGermany"]
>If flutter is cause for some accidents and all I have to do is make positive that
my Zodiac cables are good, that is very good news to all I think. This would
give best explanations for wing problem.
>[/quote]
>:-) Yes, loose cables can cause flutter problems. But they are many other possible
causes. Low torsional stiftness of the wing for example. But is is hard to
check using sand bags in so called "structural load tests" :-)
>
>[quote="ZodiacGermany"]
>For Zodiac, I cannot know anywhere that USA NTSB or other country has stated
a structural design problem. I would be very interested to see government report
about structure problem, but not interested in builder speculations, especially
from people who want to damage others. thank you.[/quote]
>And what I am not interested in are calming advices from the people concerned
in the sale. They can be more dangerous...
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1761#201761
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Ignition Noise Question - Thanks |
Thanks for all the ideas on removing ignition noise. Will be trying a bunch
of them to see what is most effective for my installation.
George
N73EX - FLYING
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
Eastern Time.
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| Subject: | Re: Hook up wire |
Heres an excel file you might find useful: http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/jimsdata/index.html
Click on "Wire Table".
A good rule of thumb is to size the wire for no more than a 3% (about
half a volt for a 14V system) voltage drop over the length of the wire
at the maximum current the circuit will see and use a fuse or circuit
breaker that will allow no more than about a 20C temperature rise at
its rated current.
Here's another chart that might be useful: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/wiresize.html
This data in this chart looks about right to me.
20 gauge wire will work fine for the fuel senders. 18 gauge will
probably work for the nav lights if the current is not much more than
5 amps. The 3% voltage drop rule isn't too critical for simple
lighting circuits.
Personally I would use 16 gauge for most of the lighting circuits and
power feeds and use the smaller stuff for wiring up signal lines in
the panel and audio circuits. Halogen type landing lights will require
at least a 12 gauge wire due to the long run and high current. Some of
your gauges might require a relatively large ground wire (16 gauge or
so) to minimize the voltage drop to ground for better accuracy.
I ran most of my ground wires to a common terminal block adjacent to
the point where the main battery ground was located. This helps to
reduce the chance of noise in the audio circuits.
On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Ianrat wrote:
>
> Trying to wire up my 601.
>
> What gauge wire should I use on things like the fuel senders. I was
> considering using 20G. I will be using 18G for things like lights
> that draw a bit of power.
>
> Thank you.
> Ianrat
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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Mr. Petrowak,
I have set here and not said a word but give us all a break. Go
somewhere where you are wanted. Go complain somewhere else. Do you have
stock in some other homebuilt aircraft company?
Darrell
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>wrote:
>
> Mr. Petroworak,
>
> My advice to you is - Don't build the plane. DO us a favor and save your
> self the money and the griping for some other project. Or sell your plane.
> PLease. The argueent you are trying to make is a &^%#&$%# waste of time.
> You keep at it and I am going to go Tourettes on this web site. THe german
> gentleman is quite on the mark, you bitching has nothing to do with any
> arguements on the 601. Move on to another website dude.
>
> Juan, 140 hours and no flutter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: petrdworak <petrdworak@seznam.cz>
> >Sent: Aug 31, 2008 4:33 AM
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Accident
> >
> >
> >[quote="ZodiacGermany"]When certifying aircraft in Germany, we have to do
> lot of structural tests, lot more than other countries. Chris Heintz designs
> have been flying here for many years with zero structural failures.
> >[/quote]
> >:-) We are speaking about the 601XL only. Strange theory: no structural
> failure in Germany - it cannot happened.
> >
> >[quote="ZodiacGermany"]This crazy guy that is talking of cri-cri. After
> doing research, I cannot see anywhere Chris says it is his design. He built
> kits with 100% collaboration with French designer
> >[/quote]
> >Sorry, you haven't read careful enough. Zenith's modifications are listed
> in the article. Also it is written there they were refused by Colomban...
> >
> >[quote="ZodiacGermany"]
> >If flutter is cause for some accidents and all I have to do is make
> positive that my Zodiac cables are good, that is very good news to all I
> think. This would give best explanations for wing problem.
> >[/quote]
> >:-) Yes, loose cables can cause flutter problems. But they are many other
> possible causes. Low torsional stiftness of the wing for example. But is is
> hard to check using sand bags in so called "structural load tests" :-)
> >
> >[quote="ZodiacGermany"]
> >For Zodiac, I cannot know anywhere that USA NTSB or other country has
> stated a structural design problem. I would be very interested to see
> government report about structure problem, but not interested in builder
> speculations, especially from people who want to damage others. thank
> you.[/quote]
> >And what I am not interested in are calming advices from the people
> concerned in the sale. They can be more dangerous...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1761#201761
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hayden Lake crash |
I went to the crash site and took a few pictures with my cell phone camera.
It was an Corvair powered XL. I have spent many an hour in his hanger chatting
him up about it. The last time I talked with Ken he said he had some issues with
his carburetor. He went so far as to talk to WW at Arlington about it and
ways to resolve it. He got his sign off last week and I guess he didn't have
all the kinks out of his carb.
Ken is the reason I started building, and the reason I decided to use a Corvair.
With him gone, there is a big hole where my motivation used to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1870#201870
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| Subject: | Re: Hayden Lake crash |
What carb was he using?
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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| Subject: | Re: Hayden Lake crash |
Im sorry for your loss, Lee. Good friends are hard to lose and itll
take a considerable while for you to look on this with an unemotional
perspective. Take heart knowing that you will, eventually. Id recommend
giving it some time and not selling the project just yet.
The issues he had with the carburetor will be of considerable interest
to Corvair builders and persons using carbs per se. Do you have any
specific idea of the difficulties he was experiencing with his fuel system?
Respectfully,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com <http://www.macsmachine.com/>
do not archive
Lee Steensland wrote:
>
> I went to the crash site and took a few pictures with my cell phone camera.
>
> It was an Corvair powered XL. I have spent many an hour in his hanger chatting
him up about it. The last time I talked with Ken he said he had some issues
with his carburetor. He went so far as to talk to WW at Arlington about it and
ways to resolve it. He got his sign off last week and I guess he didn't have
all the kinks out of his carb.
>
> Ken is the reason I started building, and the reason I decided to use a Corvair.
With him gone, there is a big hole where my motivation used to be.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hayden Lake crash |
I don't ever want to know what its like to loose a buddy in an experimental
crash, especially when it's something like this. Sorry for your loss Lee.
Looking at the crash damage, it looks like he stalled and went straight
down. Usually, the FAA will site the cause as pilot error, for stalling the
plane, with a secondary factory of engine problems, but he probably had no
place to land and tried to keep it in the air, thus the stall.
Carb problems don't need to equal crash, so lets all learn from this and
keep our planes near the runway and away from population until we have
sorted out these problems. It's always best to play it safe, especially when
you know there is a problem, and work it out where you can make a safe
landing if necessary.
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lee Steensland
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Hayden Lake crash
I went to the crash site and took a few pictures with my cell phone camera.
It was an Corvair powered XL. I have spent many an hour in his hanger
chatting him up about it. The last time I talked with Ken he said he had
some issues with his carburetor. He went so far as to talk to WW at
Arlington about it and ways to resolve it. He got his sign off last week
and I guess he didn't have all the kinks out of his carb.
Ken is the reason I started building, and the reason I decided to use a
Corvair. With him gone, there is a big hole where my motivation used to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1870#201870
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